you know this has a lot of potential when kimmykim smells a sale..........

Another legal issue, if you charge *anything*, I believe legally in US you are required to render some product or service.
If someone pays you the $1, and you keep declining his galleries, I think you are in violation. Check it out.

I don't think it would be if it's made very clear that this is not in any way a guarantee of listing, but rather just a guarantee that your gallery will be reviewed. Very similar to Yahoo's paid review system that they have going.

it's sad how some people think...........

I don't like the idea cuz i can't get a credit card. On accounta my dad screwed my credit up.

But anyway everytime i try to submit to The Hun it says checking blacklist... not on black list but then "error redirects part of his traffic". Which i do not! Hmm unless it could be those old Busty Amateurs galleries i had to delete and 404 because BA threatened to sue webmasters who were still using there content after they shut down.

I really do miss all that Hun traffic.

I'm up for anything that'll make it easier for me to get listed. :winkwink:

I think even more gallery makers would see the benefit in this if there was even greater insentive... actually, what both RS and Darksoft suggested is pretty clever. What if there was an auto/semi-submitter that only worked with the TGP's that were in this program and that using this submitter was the only way to submit to them? If all the gallery addresses were stored in a single database, a bot could be made to constantly check the galleries hourly to look for cheaters.

I think the biggest hurdle to tackle would be how to prevent duplicate accounts.

Exactly dude, I see that system that way.
The goal is to create a network of good galleries with the most tgp's involved in it.
Then,in my opinion,it will reward the honest and good gallery builders.
And I also think it will convert more since surfers will know that these tgp's can be trusted when they want porn on the web.
What do you think?

As usual, I will remain completely independent, unless the Leader makes me conform.

shemp

Shall I refer your dumbass to the numbers Patrick used? There's not money in it for anyone doing it.

I'm all for making G.A.S.S. the submitter of choice. In fact, get it now before the line gets too long :D

Backov: I never said I didn't img src'd anybody, I said I didn't perform any DOS attacks. Not the same thing... check the law on this one and you'll be quite surprised. Granted, it's a harsh way of solving problems, but so far I have used this tool SOLELY for people that kept bombarding me with spam, stole my links and laughed when I told 'em to stop (and all of 'em stopped after the img src) or people that blind linked their thumbs to dialer traps and console loops once traffic started to come in. Not on innocent parties. Again, this is not a DOS attack, this is people that wanted my traffic. Some through stealing my content, some through redirecting the visitors elsewhere. All I do is give 'em some of that traffic. If there was other ways to fight this I would, but unfortunately this is pretty much the only tool one can use at the moment. And very efficient as well. People should realise they can't just get away with cheating. And since there's no Internet Police out there to go after people who cheat on people I have to take my own measures...

Nysus: Don't worry, it's easy to spot the difference between someone who is making a mistake or someone that is cheating. People don't link to childporn by mistake...

Another idea just occured to me... It could go through phone or snailmail. People could get a code though one of those ways. What the key is to fighting cheaters/content stealers is registering. Problem is that instead of making me millions like CodeCrawler is predicting, this will only cost. I'd like a system that would break even... Combining it with an auto-submitter could be a solution, but I see some problems in that as well, those are the same problems I posted before about the auto-submitters themselves. But everything can be discussed of course

Would a software key work? How many people use a non-windows system to submit?

Another img src worked... Just to show how and when I use this. There was a guy that had a page up using my name and design linking to hardcore child pornography. Obviously he was reported to the authorities, but his page kept being up. I just got an e-mail requesting to stop. The page was removed...

I saw another page on his server with the same crap though. So I'm moving the img src to that location. This guy is putting hard core child pornography on the www. Not much that can be done other then this. He's from Russia, authorities there are preoccupied with other matters then fighting child pornography.

What kind of problems? Everything is easily solvable...
Of course there will be problems with type of autosubmitter when webmaster owns the software and can add tgps in database by himself.
But for example in Russian Submitter webmaster purchase an access to members area where he can manage his tasks for submission...
Let's say he has login/password to system and credit card checksum stored in our database...without it he can't do any autosubmit.
So, as I said we can make a special version (let's name it in different way if you don't like word 'russian') of this tool for some biggest tgps which will costs to gallery builders for example 1-5$
And every tgp owner has a full access to it's base, so he can add/remove categories, change the rules, block or start accepting free hosts, change recip etc.. and ban user from your tgp for breaking rules and change his score in this system.
And of course access to this system you can sell directly from your tgp.

Just an idea, I prefer discuss details by mail [email protected]

Sorry I disagree with you on this one. Yahoo is finding out that the paid submissions DOES not work. The smart search engine people watched and the "NO" smart ones jumped on the band wagon.

I will ask this again.. A surfer goes to Yahoo looking for free Porn.
And gets sent to a pay site. How long until the surfer wakes up.
Traffic is golden..

Check out Yahoo now... you end up at Google.

And the ones selling keyword listing WILL have to hire a shit pot of people to check the listings. All-ready on this board was found the keyword "SEX" linking to CP.:2 cents:

I will NOT give my credit card number out to any TGP owner or Pool of owners... No way and you people that think it ok better rethink.

Now if it were going through a company like ccbill or ibill fine.

And have you thought about them the TGP owners hiring some
people.. It's there fucking business.. After all that's what most company's do when they get to busy to handle it any longer.

I thought about it.... Dust the cobb web's off the old wallet.

Ok, I hate to tell ya I told ya so but take a look at this thread.

This is what The Hun said:

I said:

The Hun replied:

Now I allready said I don't believe that, and before I proceed in this post I want it to be known that it's not The Hun I will be referring to but others are allready proposing what I predicted:


this is the further developement of the thread in this regard:

Posted by grumpy

Here ya have it! The system isn't even there yet and allready the one time fee is under presure to jump from one time to monthly.

In other words Fletch! good insight! :thumbsup

Now The Hun might not agree with Grumpy I really don't know. All I can say is that I don't trust this whole proposition but that's my opinion.

What I want to make clear with this post is that whenever fees are involved, greed will stick up it's ugly head and in that regard I will repeat what I said before: EXPECT IT TO GO UP!

First a one time $ 5 fee
Then it becomes monthly
Then it will become $ 10 a month
And most likely $ 15 a month after that.

And all that for maybe a chance of some freeloading traffic that's hard to convert.

EHmmmmmmmmmm............. no thanks I'll pass :winkwink:

CC

You're talking about Yahoo's submissions from the view of a surfer. She's talking about their paid submissions from the view of a webmaster. People do in fact pay $600 for a guaranteed review and that's it. In that situation she is right...people said Yahoo could never get away with charging for a review, but they are and they will.

Same with this.

I can't wait until this is instituted to be honest.

CC
It was mentioned as a sample. It could be $5 a year. I dont care. There must be some financial obligation to run this shit. When reading your posts it looks more like you have a personal problem with the hun or something. Your so much against it ..looks like you have to hide something.

Everyone else understands it's just a nominal charge to push through the credit card processing. Maybe enough to cover costs and that's it.

There's only a few people who seem to focus entirely on the amount of the charge and are convinced it's some evil plot for TGP owners to get rich.

Thats what I said. This twat is scared shitless he can't signup to such a system and wants to stop it.
Not sure why he is scared so much.
Anyway I'm looking forward to when a solution in fighting cheaters goes into effect.

You both worded it wrong very wrong.

I have nothing to hide and ain't scared of anything.

I'm not scared I'm sad

Sad because once again the gallerybuilder will get squeezed, shitted on and after that squeezed some more.

The reasons for my objections:

1) Systems like as described are just waiting for power hungry TGP webmasters to abuse it(and sadly there's a lot of em).

2) CC info is way to easy to rip online, and to be honest anybody that uses his/her CC online is a damn fool.

3) The goal to weed out cheaters with it is also a pipedream, all it will do is create a new type of cheater, one that is more aware of the pitfalls, technically experienced and a lot harder to catch.

4) It has virtually no benefits for the gallerybuilder as he/she basically pays for nothing as no guarantees are made, nothing is delivered as they pay for a chance to get listed so they get the short end of the stick.

For me it makes no difference I don't submit much to TGP anymore I use better traffic sources with less bandwidth leeches :)

But for those that make a living off galleries I feel sorry.

This will be my last reply in this thread as I said all I intended to say. I'm sure my opinion is clear wether you agree with it or not it is clear :)

Best of luck dragging this along and for the record as a last reply to The Hun: I had my lawyer check out the legal effects for src'ing somebody and IT IS a denial of service attack because you use it with the intend to knowingly bring down a server so again I'm with Backov you do DOS people and it is against the law :)

Have a nice day!

CC

1 nope....it will be an independent system
2 there is no cc info online
3 we will work on that, and im sure this system will help
4 your talking about paying...we are talking about some kind of memberfee. When he / she is a member he / she will have a better change to be placed. So there is for sure a benefit for the submitter.

Good for you with that traffic. To bad about all the $ yor missing by not submittting. Or are your submissions not accepted??
You still dont get it and your only stirring the shit

You still dont know the diffrence between img sourcing and a dos attack. If you dont know what youre talking about ...keep it closed.

byebye CC

I really like the Idea, if we can get rid of most of the cheater, this would be a good program to have for our TGP's. But won't we have all the same galleries on our sites?

Which TGp's will be able to be in the list, all or will there be a selection?

hummm, I've had bogus charges from paysites and from ibill before. (they took it off but I had to phone them)

I trust most large TGPs a LOT more than other aspects of this industry.

Let me see if I can make one thing perfectly clear here, that might help shed some light on at least part of what I see being discussed.

Whoever takes the credit card -- be it a third party processor, the Hun getting a merchant account or someone else with a merchant account, the credit card info is NOT able to be shared with anyone. The person that TOOK the card on their merchant account is obligated to hold that number and not to let anyone else see it, use it, or have any clue what it is.

The cc's are also quite specific on what they allow and don't allow as far as security, whether you are a third party or whether you have your own merch acct. Online transactions are more heavily ruled upon and watched after than ANY others.

You fuck up, you not only lose the merchant account, you go on a banned list of people that will NEVER get a merchant acct and who are disqualified from third party type processing as well. forever.

Back to your regularly scheduled bitching.

I'm sorry but I don't see how it is going to work with a one-time time of a few bucks. Say there are 1000 people paying $5 that's only $5000. This cheater database needs to be updated daily, doesn't it? otherwise it would lose its effectiveness, if there was a delay in listing cheaters then the cheaters would still win.

For this project to cover costs, it would have to be monthly. Otherwise how would it cover its costs over time and be effective.

But I do think that tgps should also have to pay to use the system, since they benefit as well. TGPs should also be held accountable for who they list as a cheater. What is to stop someone who gets blacklisted from submitting and is pissed off at alot of tgps so he starts his own piddly ass tgp and starts saying so and so is a cheater, etc. just to get even?

I mean I see peoples blacklists from time to time and they are so out of date, it makes me wonder their effectiveness. Cheaters don't keep cheating with the same domain, they've got tons of them. It makes me wonder sometimes how these cheaters do it. Its like they come up with 10 new domains for 1 that gets blacklisted.

Plus I don't see how you cannot include freehosts on this cheater list, everyone talks about this verification fee as just a cost of doing business, well then you might as well add in the cost of paying for a host, too. Neither the tgp owner or tgp submitter has any control over what the freehost does, if someone pays to verify who they are they run the risk of getting screwed by an unscrupulous freehost (even though that is their own risk). But is it fair to blacklist someone for life (theoretically) because something their freehost did without their knowledge?

Mikey, depends on the level of automating the entire project. I don't mind this costing me time which is not covered for in $ simply 'cause keeping my list free of cheaters will eventually work out better for my site.

Right now I have a pretty good system with 1.5 million police officers checking my site. Biggest problem I see is not the one time cheaters, it's the people that sign up for new sponsors, a new server, a new domain name and cheat over and over again. Maybe it's a few people doing it, and usually I recognize the layout, but those are the rotten apples I'm trying to hunt down.

A piece of software to use for submissions could work. At least people won't be able to fake IP-addresses and stuff, so it will filter out a whole lot of small time cheaters, which is the majority anyway.

I keep being amazed about people that change their page to offshoreclicks for 5 minutes before the bot throws 'em off. offshoreclicks will close the account once they get a report so they don't get paid. And there are people that month after month renew their paid links on my site. So someone that can't make money from a listing the honest way is doing something seriously wrong...

That could be a different approach to the same problem BTW. If sponsors would make it illegal to cheat on TGP's (and they do get a lot of traffic through 'em, so I'm sure they'll be willing to work with some people here) and donate the money to charity the reason people want to cheat (earn money) is no longer there. That might be a very easy resolution to this problem...

Yeah, maybe that could work. to use the software to submit to the sites that use the system, you would have to use your code or "software key" to run the program which is then also submitted along with your info through a program or script that checks again the authenticity of the "software key" sort of like this:

1. my computer has the software which to run it needs the "verification key" which I had to apply for or whatever (pay for, etc to prove that I am myself and not 10 other people)

2. (this part i don't know) once the software for submission is open and running then it will submit to the sites that are part of the group. Or atleast allow me to hand submit to them separately because they might want their recips up, etc. The software submits my gallery info along with the "verifcation key".

3. my submission goes to their script and verifies my information and my "verification key". At which point it is either accepted or declined against the blacklist. At this level it should be for general cheating, i.e. redirecting, kiddy stuff, etc. whatever is decided before hand.

4. then the submission goes through the individual sites blacklist, because sites have different rules as to what is accepted and what is not, ie free hosts, number of pics, the tgp owner doesn't like you whatever. That way just because the tgp owner has a grudge against you personally he can't unjustly blacklist you to hundreds of other sites for no good reason. The site would set up its individual blacklist by "verification key".

I don't know, I use the word "verification key" loosely. The way I see it, by having the verification key and running it through a script to check it would weed out those people who submit 20 different urls (although they could get 10 different keys, I guess), it would spit out bad or false verification keys and duplicates, like if the same one appears more than 3 times or whatever.

THis way a submission would have to pass a couple of tests to make sure it is a legit submission. Part of what you want to accomplish is not only to catch cheaters but you also want to stop people from trying to cheat. In other words, if wanna be cheaters get stopped before they can cheat, all the better.