Cameraman, lay of the crack will ya?

That's even crazier then Hun's proposal.

Knowing who's who is one thing but nobody gets my CC info.

But you are welcome to give me yours :Graucho

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I'm not missing the point. I'm making the point. If you don't want to pay, don't pay. No one is forcing anyone to pay.

;)

Oh I won't don't worry ;)

Doesn't take away the fact the concept is bullshit(For the reasons I allready posted).

But I can see why you are for it :winkwink:

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Sorry. That's not true at all, Lightning.

Personnaly ,I like an idea about TGP2, - but I doubt you can get same traffic and same money as in TGP right now.

I'll make it easy for all you tgp owners out there, I'll give you all the information you want about me, even a dna sample, pay you $5 and all you gotta do is guarantee that you will list my galleries each day. I am on my own server with licensed content and good clean galleries. Hell, to make it even easier, I'll supply 100 fresh galleries for you each day. Just list them all. Think of the time you will save by not having to look for cheaters or even review a gallery, it would be just like a plug-in! It's win-win, ba-by.

You ain't gotta worry about me cheating :321GFY

Now if you don't list my gallery, I will label you a cheater for not holding up your end of the bargain - listing me.

So don't pay and don't submit to him.

Well actualy,

You're half right I don't get the traffic my TGP's did.

But I do make 3 times as much as I did with my TGP's :)

But that doesn't mean I don't feel the need to speak up when some TGP monger wants to milk out the allready squeezed to death regular gallerybuilder :winkwink:

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I don't submit to him and I will never pay to submit.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a bad deal

It's the same old story the gallerybuilder get's the bill for the shit the TGP owner has created.

It's like being in a store where the salesman tried to sell you an MP3 player, demonstrates it and then drops it.

After that he tries to make you pay for it.

Would you pay?

Didn't think so :winkwink:

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You can't. Despite all the fantastic stories of people making $100,000 submitting TGP2 galleries, and people who think their traffic is worth 5 to 6 times as much just because they labelled it TGP2 instead of TGP, it's just not the case. They make great stories for convincing newbies to go play in TGP2, but that's about it.

It's nothing like that.

Just because you don't know how to make money off Hun listings doesn't mean other people don't.

For the people who can actually convert his traffic and have a whopping $3.00 a month to spend, this is a good deal. They'll get his traffic, they'll turn it into sales, and they won't have to compete with as many people for listings.

Ok, I"ll bite ;)

I'll say it again just because you can't doesn't mean I can't and others too :)

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Please re-read the thread.

I allready posted this:

2 years ago you could make $ 250 of a gallery listing that decreased to $ 100 till 3 months ago when I stopped submitting to the large TGP's

TGP conversions are going downhill wether you like it or not.

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Ive had many galleries declined by tgps, and anyone who knows my work, knows I make clean frioendly galleries, in fact, I make galleries for OTHER people now and NOT myself...

So why were my galleries declined?

The nicer my galleries were the less I got listed, So I made my own free sites feeding these galleries, THAT is when I made money.

Could just be my luck though FatPad hehehe

Stop crying.

Why is everyone on TheHun's jock? Build your own site and do some link trades and you'll never need to submit to a TGP again and you'll get more traffic to boot. The TGP submitting fad is over -- this thread is proof -- use your fucking brain and do something original.

I didn't read every post on this thread so don't bitchslap me if I'm repeating something:helpme

Giving away your CC is not going to work since hardly anybody would give away a CC and making them pay to post is not the way.
I think if you run a serious business you can get a bot that will detect most cheaters.
Most of the bigger tgp owners make some nice money so the problem of cheaters is part of the job but they suck for sure.
I think the best way to scare cheaters off some is indeed talk with their sponsor so their account will be deleted and if they don't the sponsor could get banned.
Plus requiring the submitter to leave his phonenumber before he is allowed to submit is a cool idea. sublime does it and I think it works quite well but limitting the number of submitters is not real cool since you should give newbees a change as well.

Plenty of people are willing to pay for listings on TGP's. They wouldn't do it if they weren't making money on it.

Plenty of people are willing to submit paid hosting galleries to large TGP's. They must make money on it for the most part or they wouldn't keep doing it.

Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can't. *shrugs*

Also the $ 3 they spend does not guarantee placement they could very well be declined or end up on the overflow(And we all know how well that converts)

If it guaranteed placement (No matter where top or bottom) that would be another story, that would be a good deal.

But the proposal as is stinks for the gallerybuilder

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I don't know why they were declined. :winkwink:

All I'm saying is no one is obligated to submitting anything to anyone. The people who don't want to do this, don't have to.

The people who can't make money off submitting to other TGP's don't have to submit.

No one owes anyone traffic for anything. Every single major TGP in the world could close it's submission pages and there is nothing anyone could do about it. People who want to take a chance on getting some of the traffic are free to submit. The rest are free to find other sources of traffic.

Sure it's still very possible to make a profit (For the experienced webmaster) from TGP's with paid hosting.

Even paying for galleryspots can be profitable if you know what you are doing.

My point is that paying for the right to submit is taking it to far.

It's value for money not maybe value for money.

That's a well known business concept I'm sure you're familiar with :winkwink:

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Since when did this idea improve anyone's chances of getting listed at any tgp, let alone The Hun? All it does is make the tgp owners life easier, it cuts down their submissions from 2500 a day to 1500 a day. Shit, if you guys wanted to charge say $100 a month, recurring, but I was GUARANTEED listings by all the tgps involved, I would do it. Right now there is no guarantee of listing anywhere.

No it doesn't. It's not a good deal for some of the gallerybuilders. For those gallery builders, the option to stop submitting and find their own traffic is always an alternative.

Competing with 1500 submissions means you have more of a chance of getting listed then competing with 2500 submissions.

I'm sure you can see why.

The Fly I agree where TGP is concerned it's a waiting game now :)

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So don't submit. Anyone who cannot make this profitable for them is free to stop submitting. There are people who can and will pay this fee just to be able to submit and they will make it profitable for them. If they don't, they will stop.

This is not quantum physics. This is basic business. Anyone who can survive under the new system will...everyone else will leave. It's how the free market works.

The part I find hypocritical is that the big tgp owners don't do the suck ass jobs of reviewing and checking links anyway. They got their reviewers and bad link hunters doing that, not to mention their bots and scripts running 24/7.

Well in that case fatpad how about a downpayment for a chance to buy my Harley I' may be selling?

:1orglaugh

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Mikey,

It's called greed

1500 x $ 3 = $ 4500 extra to leech of the gallerybuilder for nothing ;)

No matter how it's brought here that's the reason plain and simple.

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Start your own TGP, get it up to 500k to 1M uniques a day, and list whatever shit you want then.

Well I'd venture to guess that the majority of those 1000 submissions are just a few people with their fucking cheating machines.

Even better.

Something wrong with eliminating cheaters?

I have 3 and I do list ALL my own shit, I don't worry about cheaters, I list what I want. I saw this stuff coming last year and didn't want to be dependant on others for my traffic. I could really give two shits about this system, I have my own thoughts which I have expressed on why I disagree with the idea which is what The Hun asked for.

In this conetxt yes there is.

It is HIS business and his job.

We're paying for it! And that's wrong

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So don't pay.

I hear the World Government has repealed the Forced Hun Submission Gallery Act.

I am all for eliminating cheaters, but I think that this system will also eliminate honest webmasters.

Just like all those webmasters in Denmark, they aren't allowed to promote Amateur Pages because of a few naughty webmasters fucking over AP. Is it fair? To AP it is, but to all those other webmasters out there in Denmark, it isn't.

But since when did life become fair? :D

Just because I won't go along with it doesn't mean I can't speak up and say what I think about it.

Like Mikey said he asked for this.
(You really should read the thread it helps)

I do think that IF thi ssystem will go into affect he should change the sites title to:

The Hun's Yellow Gallery Lottery


:thumbsup

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Exactly. :)

Everyone is free to do on their site whatever they want. :)

There will probably be some honest webmasters eliminated. Changes in an industry always have an effect. That's just the way things go. People like you who made their own alternative sources of private traffic will survive. The rest...won't.

It's the free marketplace at work.

Not entirely true.

THis will just make small TGP's big faster ;)

At least that's what I think will be the effect.

But that's not the point of this discussion. The point is The HUn asked our opinion and we're giving it.

I also think it will be excellent for TGP2 :thumbsup

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Ultimately, at the end of the day, thehun.net belongs to The Hun and if he wants to do this go ahead, gregpix.com has been doing this for over a year, but atleast he will you.

I just think it is a lousy idea in its present form. Who knows it could manifest into something different and then maybe I'd be more for it with some accountability on both sides, tgp owners and submitters. They need each other (well the submitter needs the owner more).

Cheaters come at you from all angles. From gallery submissions to hit botting you on your trade. What's next making your trades go through the same verification process?

Alot of being successful is not in weeding out cheaters, its knowing who you do business with, who you trade with or who submits to you. There are alot more tgp webmasters out there who don't take the time to get to know their submitters or their traders. I think if they took the time to get to know their "partners" they would get a higher quality of submissions and trades. I used to email tgp webmasters asking what their needs were as far as content, many didn't even have the time to email me back, but the ones that did have benefited from getting quality galleries built to their specifics.

Fuck it, my head hurts and my balls itch.

Codecrawler: Blah Blah Blah.. Still fighting your own agenda, huh?

You make less and less sense each time your post. alot of us people out there tryed TGP2 and it blows chunks.. it was a great idea but no more than that. a new way to reinvent the CJ.

I have never submited a gallery to the hun and not made money off of it, not once. and its probably the easiest place to get listed at. never has he declined a gallery on me unless I did somthing utterly stupid and then he gave me a chance to fix it.

TGP has freeloaders.. no one denies that but I also make decent coin off of it, If you cant just shut the hell up and move on. I make alot more money off of my other projects but i still play in TGP because it makes me money..

:thumbsup

i think the hun posted this to win $200 worth content :smokin

I don't see any reason why you should charge a submitter to submit a site that "might" get listed.
I think they pay enough for bandwidth and content.
Just a phonenumber should do it and maybe some extra info but no payment.
Plus alot of people don;t have a credit card and I think the TGP owners make enough money.

<< The Hun already doesnt allow MANY sponsors, I ws suprised to see Cashquest banned, since Webquest runs Flynt Digital. >>

Hmm, well, my guess would be the consoles on the tours. FD now has no console tours. I hope FD is not banned from The Hun.

CQ2 is in the processing of pumping out no console tours as well...should be up and running in the next couple of weeks...maybe sooner. ;)

As far as this thread goes,

Hun, FD and CQ2 will ALWAYS work with you when it comes to non-licensed/illegal content where the submitter uses either CQ or FD as a sponsor. This is a big no no and we will take action.

As for cheating in other ways, we take every case seriously, investigate as best we can, and act accordingly.

As for the ideas brought up, someone on another board made a post I thought was a great idea. They looked at this situation from a different angle....a 'white list' instead of a blacklist.

Basically, a 'TGP Webmaster Bank' where TGP owners could go to find honest webmasters with good galleries to list.

I won't go into details but....something to think about....

The idea is good and has a value. It's near what Adult Buffet does with zuludatabase except they don't charge you.

the $3/fee is symbolic and will represent i guess the cost of someone working on this. It's not the easiest thing to deal with 1000 webamsters. It can be done through paypal, so nobody will get your CC info. Such vital information I suggest you not to share with anyone, but I guess you already knew it.

hotsexseries.com

why is kimmykim giving advise on TGPs.... I'm missing something here...........????????? Oh, that's right. She KNOWS EVERYTHING.

How about this. All adult domains must be switched to a .xxx extension with a $5,000 year price tag. You're given a digital signature that you identify yourself wherever you go and whatever you do. Whether posting to TGP's, link lists, your AVS sites whatever. Everyone has 1 unique signature. This way, nobody in their right mind will want to cheat anybody after paying $5K and especially since their IDs leave footprints everywhere.

This may be too "Big Brother" like but here's what happens.

Newbies starting out will either have to come up with the cash to start out or not start out at all. More money for all seasoned webmasters.

Spamming and illegal shit will basically come to a halt.

Your signature will identify you as a person and your business ethics. Basically, you leave tracks everywhere you go.

The general public will now see Adult Sites in a different light and will be educated that the GOOD stuff has to be bought with a monthly membership.

I know this is way out there in theory but...just like at an expensive country club where everyone pays their dues ... it will keep all the riff raffs out.

If the government would make it a law to host adult sites on just 1 extension with a yearly or lifetime fee with a photo ID card like a driver's license....I think 99% of us in here would jump on it.

What Government?

Let me guess, you're a Yankie who thinks America sets the rules for everyone else right?

A simple way to confuse autosubmitters, if you choose;

Create your submission page with this in mind

make a dummy cgi script to accept all the parameters of your gallery postings

once you get too many auto submissions, rename the dummy program to accept and deepsix the submissions rename your regular cgi or folder to something else

add another link to the post page using a java redirect or cookies


every so often change it