I don't think sponsors should get involved with tgp's regarding "alleged" "cheating" , too many variables (personal definitions) and really doesn't have anything to do with the sponsors normal TOS.

The tgp's should handle this themselves.

Too many variables.

Fuck the Hun traffic bitches... bunch of pussy ass beggers.

No dr intended hun baby, but seriously folks, how so much ass can be sucked in one thread is truly amazing. :throwup

Agreed.
I don't know you codecrawler, but you make no sense in any of your posts. You, like most people in this thread are concentrating on the small issue. The payment.

For one thing, this whole TGP2 thing you have your ass so far up, if anyone, i felt it was the TGP2 guys that would jumping all over this idea. Can't you see that if this idea was in place, you WOULDN'T need TGP2? Hell, not like it really took off anyway.

There would be LESS submitters, LESS or no stolen content, LESS of everything. Less supply, BUT more demand. Isn't that you fucking wanted? Oh god forbid a one time fee of 5 bucks!! oh no!!!

For everyone else, the whole payment that everyone seems to wrapped up in (REPEAT AFTER ME) is a ONE TIME FEE. Fuck people, not everytime you fucking submit!

And for everyone else, TGPs webmaster aren't going to have your credit card information. I mean, where the fuck is everyone getting this shit from?

You all have your heads in the clouds and arguing over a simple ONE TIME payment, that no one has mentioned anything about the serious fucking benefits of this.

Content providers catching stolen content on galleries, and shutting them down. Less submissions means submissions will get listed a hell of a lot faster. Affiliates can shut down people using there content for other programs.

Everyone in there own sectors of business in this industry would benefit from this...content providers, TGP owners, gallery makers, affiliate programs, everyone.

But fine...lets NOT do anything.
Yeah..so the people who actually DO buy there content and host their own galleries can wait in line to get posted BEHIND the freehost galleries with stolen fucking content.

So fine...have your way.....keep the industry going downhill.... :boid

HAHAHAHA So fucking true.....and funny as shit! :1orglaugh

DynaMite

Let's take this point by point:


Originally posted by MikeEP

No not the payment The reason we have to. That stinks. I think TGP webmasters leeching of gallerybuilders instead of surfers is wrong period. If that doesn't make sense to you maybe you have a problem not me.


Wrong again the idea is to limit free porn not limit the submitter.
Perhaps you shoudl read up on TGP2 before you talk about it.

I beg to differ: there would be more experienced cheaters just as much stolen content(or do you think all the celeb galleries on The Hun are legit????? )

Once more the guy(The hun) started out by hotlinking complete directories of pics and is known to doss people he doesn't agree with. How much do you think he cares where the content comes from?

The more advanced a system is the harder it gets to detect a cheater. It will work at first but then they invent ways around it and you're back to square one.

For now. Like Fletch said expect it to go up, like Yahoo did :)

Nobondy is getting my CC info no billing company, no webmaster nobody! As I said twice before allready it's just to easy to rip the info online I won't risk it!

You mean the benefir of maybe getting listed? we allready have that now I don't see where it helps me? Once again if we're talking guaranteed placement(anywhere on the list spot doesn't matter) then it's a good deal. anything other then that stinks IMHO

As they can now. When we ran a freehost we shut down hunderds of those a day.

Untill they get around it and that's just a matter of time. I say again it benefits tGP webmasters but not many gallerybuilders

On the contrary let the TGP's themselves show some serious commitment and do the fucking job they chose freely without bitching and trying to squeeze the gallerybuilder!

As long as the celeb galleries, Napsters of porn galleries and other crap gets listed on there after Mr Hun reviews it nothing in that regard will change. THat's not even the issue here.

Once again I say it's a scam to make goo don decreasing sales from the ads on the Yellow pages.

CC

If anything Tgps and Free Porn Galleries are doing more harm.

That is why I build AVS'

:winkwink:

If you create a system like this - IT will get abused.

It will work for one site but not for more than one - because tgp owners will eventually abuse the system by falsely labelling people as cheaters or blacklisted or whatever - with a system like this, honest webmasters can get fucked in the ass.

Any model will have cheaters and abuse IMO

So one that overlooks most of the big traffic sources has to be controlled by someone or some party - which is dangerous for tgp gallery submitters.

Nice idea indeed... however, it will only work for one or few sites it will never take over all big or small sites. So, what's going to happen? SPLIT! Yeah, the system will create a family of sites and loyal submitters - which is not a bad thing. But there will be always sites / submitters which are not a part of that imperium. So, really nothing happens on a big perspective.

Patrick, if you still look after this thread :) ,
I've sent you email about week ago regarding broken links on your page. Got no answer and that links are still up.
I'm emailing you once more right now.
Red

Codecrawler, you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about, putting words in people's mouths, assuming things are going to happen that are absolute bullshit (expect the price to go up, utter crap, sorry) and quoting things that play 6 years in the past.

I NEVER did anything illegal with my posts. Stolen content is not posted on my site if I know about it, copyright issues are dealt with swiftly, NapsterX changed the wording on their ads to say 'free 3 day trial passes' instead of 'free access to paysites'. You haven't got a clue what is going on here, so don't make statements like you DO know...

We're working on a solution here to get something good going. TGP2 is not an option, you have the same cheaters there, and you will get more once TGP2 is getting traffic, which it still doesn't... Cheaters aren't interested in redirecting 100 users. They want 100,000 users they can cheat on. That's why I want to spend a lot of effort in building something to prevent the whole industry going downhill with cheaters.

Many sites out there redirect foreign traffic. 'cause it's "unproductive". If it's unproductive, redirect it to a page that says so, don't redirect 'em to MoneyTree or whatever so they'll get slapped around the ears with consoles. Some people clearly fail to see completely that the surfer is our customer, not a number. 'traffic' as we know it is a bunch of individuals who - approached correcly - will pay if they see something they like.

When TGP2 started people predected my site would be dead... I still don't see a TGP2 site high up in the charts. Not that it's a bad concept. But many people seem to think that only their way is right. And that's absolute bullshit. But this discussion was not about TGP2...

If a good tracking system is in place both link-sites and TGP2's will benefit from it. Including honest gallery posters, paysites, content owners, hosts... you name it! Anonymous Internet is one... I truly believe surfing the net should be something you can do anonymously. But being a publisher on the web, why should that be anonymous. A good registering system would put a quick end to problems like childpornography on the Internet.

And again, if you don't like it, don't go there. Honestly I do think I have the traffic to back up making it a little harder to submit. However there is a problem with people that don't have a creditcard. Or with people that have a thousand of 'em through a generator. Also, my lawyer is checking if the information provided can be used against people who do end up stealing content.

People somehow don't like being watched. And a registration system shouldn't mean that people don't dare to do business on the web anymore. On the other hand people that play things honestly don't have anything to hide. I'm gather info, thinking of ways to get this all going... Everyone's comments here help a lot! Thank you for that!

Oh, one more reaction "Once again I say it's a scam to make goo don decreasing sales from the ads on the Yellow pages."... haha... so you really think that if people get charged 5 bucks for a registration and let's say 1000 people sign up. that's 5000 one time fee. 12% fee for the CC company, building a website, paying the hosting... for 5000 USD?! Even IF my banner sales were down (which they're not) I really don't think all this work is worth 5000 USD...

Damn, I didn't even read that comment you wrote the first time, but it does show how far off you are from getting the point.

Just yesterday you listed this one, hotlinking a ton of movies from sympatico.ca:

http://www.totalsexmovies.com/ebony/ebony01hun.html




Hmmmmm

if you will aproove the galleries only from owners of paysites without webmaster refferer link or you will been save the galleries on your host Nobody can cheat you. And then all content on your galleries will be legally acquired

Hmm, I wonder that thehun has to say about this =/ Doesn't he review every gallery himself and check all links? People that upload files to @home, AOL etc.... Are just as bad. Hotlinking is hotlinking

If him have money for Lamborginy I think he can find the money for 2-3 people for check the links

Right!

Lets see how it holds up. I'll go through your comments one by one


Doesn't matter if it's in the past fact remains you still did it! and knowingly. People and yourself paid for bandwidth back then and they still do now so you fucked them knowingly what you did to them and their wallets! And that to me is a damn good reason to not trust you now. Because it shows what you are capable off. People new to this business don't know this and should know who they are dealing with. Also last time I checked DOS attacks are illegal and you did that less then a year ago and could still be doing it for all I know. Again knowing it's illegal. Now granted for some you had good reasons but that that does not put you above the law just because you know the SOB's you dossed can't afford a lawyer to nail ya! again a very good reason NOT to trust you as you use the law only if it's in your benefit(At least that's what it shows to me)

In case you don'r remember:

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/sh...un%2A+ attack


As for doing illegal things yourself see my above comment to your first remark as for what you list here's a sample of what's up there right now!

From your main page:

June 8: Nude celebrities (pics and movies) from Scooter

You know damn well that celeb pics like that aren't for sale yet you list them.

Your Archives:

January 31: Graham sent these swedish celebs

The dude even admits on the page he doesn't have rights or license to the pics! (see bottom disclaimer on the page)

January 30: Spanish celebs from Graham

Same deal

January 29: French celebrities from Graham


Once again

Now there are listing on every day in januari so I suspect it's a paid for listing. So either you never bothered to check, didn't/don't care or you really need a new lawyer.

And don't tell me because he buys spots often he knows what he's doing, because with a disclaimer like that it's obvious he doesn't!

Last time I checked knowingly listing illegal(stolen in this case) material is illegal and you did/do.

Again not very trustworthy and shows that you only want to ban what can hurt you, which makes it an action to benefit you, not the submitting webmaster at all, as cheaters that buy listing still get placed my friend!

Imagine what I could find if I really spent time browsing your site

How many things like this:

Would I encounter?

Oh I agree with that, I just don't agree in having it controlled by one guy or organisation. IMHO it needs to be taken care of at the site and is the responsibility of the TGP site owner. Again as I stated before can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Anything controled by one guy or company creates power over what is controlled, which is never a good thing (And why monopolies are forbidden BTW)

So don't list those but don't try to controll it, and with what you propose is exactly that an attempt to controll it.

Correct it's not about TGP2 so no argument from me there :)

I agree with the first half not to the second it won't even put a dent in the CP underground. because those don't post to TGP's and have their own scene(sadly) to eradicate CP you need to eradicate the producers of it anything else won't stand a chance of even touching it!

I certainly won't use your system, neither as a TGP siteowner nor as a gallerybuilder. But you posted it public for discussion so I give my honest opinion, I still say you do it for the cash.

Offcource they don't specialy not by people they don't know or trrust and no offence I do not trust you for a second given yoru past action I elaborated on in this post.

You and I both know that it won't stop at thousand hell I had a list containing 400,000 TGP gallerybuilders 2 years back so right now I estimate it's even more. And that's what you are looking forward to cashing in on.

You can defend this all you like you can not change my opinion about it. If you were truly after creating a system to catch cheaters you wouldn't go after a fee at all. after all the money it costs you save on the time saved weeding out cheaters. If I read your proposal right it pays itself back as it benefits all(or so you say, I beg to differ)

I don't think I am, I think judging by your reply I'm getting to close for comfort actualy :)

Have a nice day!

CC

CC, you're a moron... You're defending/attacking points made by nobody. Where one earth does it say this should be something controlled by one man. Also, your alligations are false. I never had anything illegal on my site. I never performed a DOS attack (wouldn't even know how to do that). And I don't agree celeb content is 'stolen' by default.

Please stop trying to proof how wrong I am and how wrong you are. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with what we're working on here and I think it's pretty sad someone has to come with off-topic remarks like you're doing now. Nobody is helped with that. I never had ANYTHING illegal on my site, let's face that. When it really comes down to it I can link to any hotlinking and stolen content gallery. I am not responsible for what other people put on the web. A link can never be illegal, not even to an index of pictures (I had people submit an index of pictures on their own server to test if they could hold up, but this was of course not the majority). But I don't feel it's right. I don't want to link people that steal shit from others. Nor do I want to list people that change their gallery to child pornography once they're listed. THAT is what I'm trying to do. And your comments are not helping.

I didn't even read your whole reply. Too far off the truth and drawing conclusions that are way off from the truth. If I read such crap and react right away all that will happen is throwing mud. I'm not going there.

I think you're a pretty looser for bringing up things that happened 6-7 years ago and that have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with this topic. Your ONLY goal with a post like that is to show everybody you can tell The Hun he's wrong. So you're bringing up facts that aint true, draw conclusions from statements that ain't true... Well, hooray... Doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure that one out. but please stick to adding things to the discussion. So that's good or bad things ABOUT THE TOPIC.

Linking indexes is not the most friendly way of dealing with sites. At the time I was running my site I was one of the surfers. Indexes were on people's personal homepages (the free site you get with your internet account). Those links are not of companies, they're free webspace at the time there were no headers or footers on there. My site was on a personal homepage like that (http://www.tip.nl/users/~t256553/). When people started submitting galleries they found on the web also links from companies started coming in. I listed those. May I point out again that this is not illegal, though I didn't know that at the time. Not did I consider it could be illegal. This was back when I had about 15,000 uniques a day. Once things started to become bigger and I had to pay bandwidth and saw what it takes to have content on-line I saw that what I was doing, though not illegal, was highly inethical in immoral. I don't want to go there, so as soon as I realised that I stopped linking indexes.

So, with this said can we PLEASE stop the off-topic crap and go back to the point of this threat?! Or should we start talking about your circle-jerking projects?

Oh, the link with the hotlinked movies is removed from my site. It either slipped through during review or it was changed once traffic started coming in. Anyway, thanks for the report, it's gone

400,000 gallery submitters is way too high a number. I have about 1000 submissions a day. So even if everybody would submit to my site only once in their life it would take over a year before I can count 400,000 gallery submitters. My guess is that there are 3000-4000 people submitting to my site.

The fee is just for verification. If you read the whole topic there's also talk about a dollar. And if I had a good way of registering for free I would use that. I'm getting a bit tired of people putting words in my mouth. If I want more money I would put a blind link on my site. I could easily put the blame on a 'webmaster cheating', so it wouldn't cost me any traffic.

I don't have to do this for the money, don't worry. You really don't know what you're talking about, CC, but I already said that. Now, please stick to the topic or start a new thread about a new topic. I'm trying to build something good and are asking people for idea's. You had some good ideas, but you're posting 'em in a fucked up way. This whole idea is still an idea. There is no fee charged to anyone. There's no fee made up. There's no final method of registering/verifying. Nothing of that. So if you could come with a suggestion for this problem that would take away all suspicion of me doing it for the money please post it. Only when I start ignoring good ideas you can accuse me of doing this for the money. It's easy to accuse people of things. Very easy...

My circlejerking projects? By all means I always ran CJ's and probably will untill the day I die :)

If you like to discuss em here I am buddy :) Watcha need trading tips? :Graucho

As for your other remarks funny how you ignore the facts I posted allong with my accusations.

As for being off topic listen it's your idea and you proposed it here, I think before people go along with it (or not as in my case) they should know who they will be working with. so while not the topic itself it has a close relation with it.

And once again I backed everything I mentioned with proof Hun or do you deny bringing Shane's server down?

To get on topic:

It's funny how bad informed you are on copyright laws( well sad actually I can however recommend a good lawyer)

Let it be said that I'm no fan of APIC but some info on their site is very usefull. You should read it sometime it might change your opinion on what you posted in your reply.

In fact how can somebody this ill informed weed out cheaters with stolen content anyway? When running a freehosting service I dealt with copyright issues every day I know exactly what you legally can and can't do. And what you do is illegal!

After 10 years of running the Yellow Pages you really should know better.

But to help you out:

Fact 1: There is no such thing as public domain

Fact 2 99.9 % of celeb content is illegal. and that 0.1% is pornstar content often posted by the pornstar herself *LOL*

If you don't believe me try to buy some!

So my final input on this topic is:

I am against it because:

1 I have no faith in the one working on it due to reasons I posted all over this thread.

2 The display of information on legalities is way to poor to ever hope to get an effective system in place.

3 It only benefits the TGP siteowner and only makes it harder for the gallerybuilder

4 Using a CC as verification is not acceptable because:

- Using a CC online is still wayy to risky IMHO
- To easy to fake
- To many people without one to be fair

5 I think it's a money scheme

A final thought on the matter:

People,

Weeding out cheaters is an honourable goal, however the means as proposed here are not the way IMHO a system like that I think will work for a very short period and then cheaters will have a way around it. The result you're back to square 1 only now you have a better educated and more experienced cheater on your hands.

My solution use the scipts and reviewers to sort it out, use bots to check links daily but most of all let every TGP do this by themselves in any way they see fit. It is the TGP siteowners choice to run a TGP and therefor his/her responsibility to weed out the bad seeds. No system should govern it only the TGP owner him/herself, no matter who runs it.

How's that for on topic?

Cheers!
CC

I use the scripts, I use reviewers, I use a bot that checks links every 30 minutes. I wanted to purpose a system here for my site only, soon it became clear to me other people could benefit from this. No site is forced to use it, but every site is welcome to join, I am not suggesting a system controlled by me, I'm suggesting a system controlled by the TGP/linksite owner who runs it. So here we go again, you're making statements that are not founded or proven, you're making statements that are false based on the very first posts in this thread...

If you have a suggestion on how it would work better please post it. After all, that's why I posted this thread in the first place. All suggestions are welcome, good or bad, comments without suggestions are not helping, though problems in this should be posted and a solution could be made up for it.

Trying to talk down the 'man behind it' before the man behind it is even known is not helping anybody.

I think there about 6-7K gallery submitters totally worldwide.
and almost 1.2K from them uses me ;-)
Well I think it is possible to make such a cooperation with autosubmitter and to complete your idea... I already have credit card identification of each webmaster, I can make special version of autosubmitter with ability of being banned for breaking rules if you'll start accepting autosubmissions from it... even the model with webmaster's score is possible.
I beleive that webmasters wouldn't pay 1$ or even put their credit card number for nothing on tgp (maybe only on your site)...but it is possible for autosubmission process.

Just if you want to talk about it my contacts in profile.

I still think it's the best to let submitters fill in their phonenumber.
Most people don't have too many phonenumbers and with a few questions you could verify it's them and not a friend of them or so.

Problem with paying a fee is that they need a paypal account and not everybody has a CC.... expecialy none US people. Plus with paypal you can just signup under a new e-mail address.
I think it's easier to get a new e-mail address then to get a new phonenumber

Ok, let's go along withthat for a second. Your first post in this thread:

Now specifically this part:


"Might be an idea to get something going that a lot of sites cooperate on though"

That is not a group of webmasters?

When I read the above I read about an idea of setting up a system that requires to be governed by somebody or some company. If that is not the case I think the wording is confusing.

As for you comment on a solution

There is none.

No matter what you do there will always be cheaters on a simple system you have simple cheaters on an advanced system you have advanced cheaters.

In my opinion besides the obvious scripts, bots and reviewers I think sharing blacklists with other TGP's is a good way to prevent cheaters from submitting.

Partner accounts are also a good method

That's what I think anyaway :)

CC

codecrawler - your a joke you know that?

You have no valid point at all.
His site, his rules. If you need to register to submit then make the choice to signup or not.
Simple as that!

Also I find it really sad you need to vist thehun and look through all his listings to find mistakes or whatever.
Grow up.

exactly - only my way is right.

First, I have no valid point at all? when in his post he tries to mobilise webmasters for this idea I think I'm entitled to object because that is not just about his site anymore. I haven't submitted to his site in months and won't ever again as I mentioned multiple times in this thread allready, so please get your facts straight before you post.

Second, he asked for opinions and he got it.

Third: If I make a comment and he claims it's not true I deliver proof I do not make false accusations, when I say something I can back it up. That was 2 minutes well spent.

Perhaps you are in the habbit of talking out of your ass I am not.

If you can't see that I gues the joke's on you :321GFY


CC

I think that the nature of the beast is that it will lead to credit card fraud instead. Sad but probably true :(

ChrisL

codecrawler - Do you break rules and fuck with your galleries?

You seem so strongly against the idea of registering to submit galleries, I almost think your afraid or have something to hide.

Codecrawler has yet to learn the ways of the force. The young are fast to point out fault but lack the wisdom to implement true change. Only time will tell if he shall learn to use the keys to true financial enlightenment.

Nope but I refuse to get people in a position to fuck with me :)

When I smell a rat I say so.

You might not agree but that is why it is called MY opinion.

Please do keep in mind that besides the fact that we hear from TGP siteowners how many cheaters there are amongst gallerybuilders there are a lot of assholes on the TGP side also.

And just like you TGP siteowners don't like to get cheated, neither do we the gallerybuilders.

And this is not to crap down on TGP siteowners but just to say that the proposition as made in this thread is not suitable IMHO to use as I think it will do more harm then good.

Satisfied?

CC

Sleazy,

What makes you think you are somebody to talk to me? :Graucho

CC

I'll fight this new law tooth and nail! They can't take away my civil rights by forcing me to pay $2 a month and submit galleries to The Hun! I'm almost positive that's illegal.

I think it's pretty funny that codecrawler posts all these facts and Patricks response is "Uh, don't do it, never did it".. You have and DO conduct DOS attacks Mr Hun, and you do post illegal content. He presented proof, you just denied.

Good job, CC. I wouldn't trust this guy either. The laws only apply when they're working for him.

Cheers,
Backov

Hun, CC ? ... Biertje ?

woops. my mistake. I bow my head and crawl away from this mighty superior intellect that has legons of fans and total respect of everyone of any significance on the web. I can only hope that you will see it in your infinate wisdom to someday maybe forgive me for even thinking of questioning your higher level of intelligence.

You're such a significant player in the adult industry that your free host must think you're nothing less than a God.

i wish more people had the GUTS to img src spammers and other cheaters. My hat goes off to the hoffman and the hun.

I always find it funny how cheaters think they have a LEGAL right to cheat too. Sad.

Hell, you could always limit submissions to those who use G.A.S.S. as it doesn't break your auto submit rule, they actually SEE the submit page and they have given credit card info... except one guy who paid in pennies... but he will be washing my truck for a year now :D

Don't get me wrong, I think cheaters and spammers should be executed, but I don't do it, it's illegal. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

Nicely said.

:thumbsup

Agreed:thumbsup

The Hun, if you could quickly reply to this it would be much appreciated. I haven't been keeping up with all the posts, but this is my main concern, and that is of an individual's reputation.

With this system I think it would be dangerous to have any auto-checking scripts which would then either ban or block an individual from further submitting. People make mistakes, and I'm sure even people who are pro. I also think people would expect this more and I think with the reduced amount of people submitting, that it would be accomplishable. Any comments?

Cheers,
Matt

Damn a lot of replies since the last time I checked this thread...
Here is my 2 cents
When I was accepting regular TGP submissions I used TGP brownie. I never managed to catch a cheater myself since the script always caught them before me.
But even though I blacklisted networks based on IP's on DNS server, sponsor link codes, usernames, E-mails, mail servers etc I noticed when doing some extra tracking that a script can't do many of the cheaters reffered back to just a few people.
A Credit card verification would elimate that 99% since it would be very easy to get new DNS servers, domains, mails, etc etc every week but very hard to get a new Visa / mastercard every week.
If a group of TGP's make a submission area that cost mayby $1-$5 or whatever per month it would elimate thouse cheaters since they could be charged for credit card processing and face jail time for fraud if they cheat.
Any serious TGP submitter would have no problem paying that kind of money since they would easyli make the money back.
It might be harder for "newbies" to get started but why should it be free to start in this kind of business when other ventures might cost at least $10K to get started.
The market is getting floaded with people that think it is best to give away as much content as free as possible so they get more visitors while thouse kind of visitors usually are the ones that don't know the difference between "public license" and "license" while the people that usually are serious about getting started spend a few dollars on content and then it wouldn't be that big a problem to also pay a few bucks for some gallery listings.
I would suggest all the revenues from such a "submission poll" would go to "Safe the Children" or similar orginizations.
Perhaps 75% to charity and 25% to PR telling the "public" about how the porn biz. started cleaning up all the shit that is around.
That would increase sales since now only things that hit the public is bad things. And people get affraid to use their CC's etc.
Well just my 2 cents :)

I think Hun should just get together with the tgp owners he's already doing business with, tell them what you want to do, and then do it.

Just like when Yahoo started charging for adult submissions -0- people swore they wouldn't pay it, same thing with buying search engine listings, no one was going to pay it. Of course I guess it's the same thing with porn surfer memberships, no one ever figured surfers would pay -- even though it's apparent some people still don't understand that...

If there's anything I can do for it, should you go for it, let me know. Otherwise I wish you success in your enterprise :)

The Hun to form an alliance with the biggest auto submitter? Whoda thunk it? :winkwink:

Good idea Hun
we will setup the website www.tgpmembers.com
To be added to our database you pay a monthly fee of lets say
5 us. The tgp sites can check the info of the submitter in our database. We will maintain the database. So it wil be an independent system wich will benefit all.

Way to go The Hun!!! Let's clean up this part of the biz!
If you are a serious gallery builder, you pay for hosting,content and everything,so why the fuck wouldn't you trust to pay to submit????
And to those that reply that tgp's should do their job,well many do and it is hell lot more work involved than just submitting galleries! Think of it.

Just my two cents!

When are the tgps going to use a uniform set of rules?

I am all for cleaning up the cheaters in this biz, but it would have to be clearly defined what is cheating.

There should be a uniform definition of cheating which should get you blacklisted from all tgps, but also each tgp has its own rules concerning what is acceptable from its gallery submitters (# of pics, # of recips, # of banners, etc.) I don't think violating an individual tgp's rules should get you blacklisted universally, 'just at that tgp, otherwise eventually everyone will get blacklisted. For example, some tgps will blacklist you if you have less than 16 pics, while the majority of tgps require you to have atleast 12 pics. so if by chance, accident or whatever, I had a lapse in thinking and submitted a gallery with 15 pics to that particular tgp, I theoretically stand the chance to be blacklisted at all the tgps, even though my gallery is perfectly acceptable everywhere else.

One of the things I don't fully grasp is this. I have been submitting galleries for the last couple of years, I have a reputation, good or bad, depends how you look at it :) but now, I have to prove myself but paying a "verification fee". Its not about the money, I just don't figure how my good honest work over a period of time is worth less than a couple of dollars.

You mean all that work is for nothing, unless I pay to verify who I am? I know the cost is just to cover expenses of the project and not make anyone any money, but it just seems like unless I show who I am by paying, I am not who I am.