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Old 05-20-2006, 02:52 PM   #51
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Old 05-20-2006, 02:59 PM   #52
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Hmm, personality, brains, and looks to boot. Isn't there anything wrong with you? I have to say, even if you looked like Oprah, you would be one hot Mama(so to speak).

Anyway, good read, don't hear that stuff often anymore.
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Child support rocks! Every month when my girlfriend gets her payment we hit the bars and get totally shitfaced
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Child support rocks! Every month when my girlfriend gets her payment we hit the bars and get totally shitfaced
I knew this post was coming.

Wtf took you so long?
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Old 05-20-2006, 03:49 PM   #55
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you divorced the mother of your child (or children) and you fail to pay proper child support? you know it is a jailable offense.
do the right thing and pay to keep your kids from turning tricks for food.
Bet he's your ex because he figured out you're a troll.
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Old 05-20-2006, 03:50 PM   #56
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This is priceless: My deadbeat ex was so delinquent that once they (I) found him, they are STILL garnishing his wages. My son died last year but would have been 23 in July. I will be getting these payments for at least the next 5-7 years and I haven't even sued for all the other stuff he owes me for.
i am so sorry that you suffered with a deadbeat ex. im even more sorry about the loss of your son. i can't imagine how difficult that must be. i am sorry.
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Old 05-20-2006, 03:52 PM   #57
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My wife left me and took my son 4 months ago and the divorce paperwork isn't even signed and I've been sending $1400 a month to support my son. He's in private school and I also pay for all of his extra shit.

I have yet to see a child support lawyer but I've been sending money on my own accord and I'm sure it's more than I'd be court ordered to pay.
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Old 05-20-2006, 03:53 PM   #58
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Child support rocks! Every month when my girlfriend gets her payment we hit the bars and get totally shitfaced
wow,you seem like the type who wouldn't wait for a support payment to get totally shitfaced. fact is, you are an alcoholic who would rather spend a day on gfy than with friends or out in the real world. by the way, we know you don't have a girlfriend.
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Old 05-20-2006, 03:58 PM   #59
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My wife left me and took my son 4 months ago and the divorce paperwork isn't even signed and I've been sending $1400 a month to support my son. He's in private school and I also pay for all of his extra shit.

I have yet to see a child support lawyer but I've been sending money on my own accord and I'm sure it's more than I'd be court ordered to pay.
this thread isn't for guys like you. you seem to be responsible and thoughtful and caring. this thread is for the trailer trash deadbeat fathers who run around complaining about paying for child support. the hatefilled deadbeats are always mentally unstable, bitter and are the ones that nobody loves, so they think that their ex should suffer by making their children suffer (by not providing minimum court ordered support).

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Old 05-20-2006, 03:59 PM   #60
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Someone's on the rag.
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that is so great! an insult from the sixth grade that never gets old! excellent! i bet you are always the king of the party
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Old 05-20-2006, 04:17 PM   #63
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Looks like you hit a nerve Shelly! Deadbeat dads unite!
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My son lives with me and my ex-wife doesn't pay shit. She was always right there to collect when he lived with her, however.
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Old 05-20-2006, 06:08 PM   #65
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you divorced the mother of your child (or children) and you fail to pay proper child support? you know it is a jailable offense.
do the right thing and pay to keep your kids from turning tricks for food.

Boy I bet you're a pleasant one to live with. No wonder the dude left your crabby ass. He's out there happy as hell to be away from you and you're on the internet bitching and moaning about it.
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Old 05-20-2006, 06:34 PM   #66
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there's a HUGE difference between paying what fathers sould pay and what mothers THINK fathers should pay for.
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Old 05-20-2006, 06:47 PM   #67
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My ex has enough millions to last the rest of her life shopping 24/7.

So she needs child support like I need more domains.

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stop spending your money on crack and you might be able to move your kid to a much better neighborhood
so let me get this straight..

A woman needs child support and it's all fine even if, in most cases uses the money on HERSELF.

BUT

A man wants child support, doesn't get it and gets told to stop buying crack and he might be able to afford ro move his kid(s) to a better neighborhood?

I guess a guy can retaliate with the same kind of shit.. Kind of like stop hooking on shit streets and start blowing some rich man and you might be able to pay for shit for your kid easier.

It goes both ways. shitty dads, shitty moms.
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Old 05-20-2006, 08:15 PM   #70
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Old 05-20-2006, 08:20 PM   #71
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Something to think about. If you fuck a loser, make a child with a loser, don't be surprised after the divorce he'll behave as a loser. People rarely become losers just because of a money issue..

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Old 05-20-2006, 08:31 PM   #72
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Something to think about. If you fuck a loser, make a child with a loser, don't be surprised after the divorce he'll behave as a loser. People rarely become losers just because of a money issue..

Exactly correct! All you loser scumbags listen up!!!

You were losers before the child and that is what makes you capable of not paying support after the child. YOU SCUMBAG LOSERS NEED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT AS ORDERED BY THE COURT!!!!!
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Lets see - I had two kids(twins - boy and girl), I got divorced while I was in the military so I was docked the 70% maximum that the military allows a divorced wife to get, then for the next 15 years after I got out of the military I paid every fucking week 50% of my pay for child wupport - that never made it to the kids - and sent it directly to her to "avoid processing delays" with "child support" written on every check.
At the end of the 15 years (the end of my committment according to the original order), the bitch goes to court and tells the judge that I never paid my child support, gets an order of garnishment from them, gets the NY tax dept to garnish my savings account all at once, then the judge calls for a hearing.
I drive to NY from Tenn, walk in with every cancelled check with those child support words written on them for 15 years, and her signature on the back,....and the judge says...well ... you didnt send them through the child support division so officially you never paid - so you will have to pay it again...which to keep out of jail, I did - of course none of the original , nor the second time I paid, went to the kids - because she happened to lie about the fact that they were living with her - which they werent - she had put them into foster care

She now goes around to "support groups" in NY teaching other recent divorced wives how to accomplish the same thing

So go fuck yourself
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I suppose I forgot one little detail - when we got divorced - it was her that filed because she had found someone else (a supervisor with the NY Tax Department) - not because I had done anything wrong other than being sent out to sea on submarines in the Navy for extended times trying to serve my country
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This is priceless: My deadbeat ex was so delinquent that once they (I) found him, they are STILL garnishing his wages. My son died last year but would have been 23 in July. I will be getting these payments for at least the next 5-7 years and I haven't even sued for all the other stuff he owes me for.
I'm sorry to hear that Peaches. This was the son you used to post about on here who was visiting Japan some years ago?
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Linkster.. oh my god, that is horrible. GOOD GRIEF. I am sorry you had to go thru that. It's stories like this that make me sad to even be a woman sometimes. Women are some brutal bitches.......
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Tam - ya know I really gave up worrying about it - its done and over - I paid everything I was ordered to pay like a sheep and went on with life The thing I got out of the whole experience is that you can be the nicest person in the world and try to do everything on the up and up, but in the end life will be what you make of it. After that whole thing, I sat back and decided I was a better person than what I was made out to be (had to have someone kick that part into me) and since then have just lived life like tomorrow is the last day I suck when it comes to trying to "plan" for the future, so I enjoy what I have (fortunately this biz has been very good to me), and the best plans I make are who is gonna be there, what Im gonna do, and what I feel like drinking when I get in the hot tub tonight
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Lets see - I had two kids(twins - boy and girl), I got divorced while I was in the military so I was docked the 70% maximum that the military allows a divorced wife to get, then for the next 15 years after I got out of the military I paid every fucking week 50% of my pay for child wupport - that never made it to the kids - and sent it directly to her to "avoid processing delays" with "child support" written on every check.
At the end of the 15 years (the end of my committment according to the original order), the bitch goes to court and tells the judge that I never paid my child support, gets an order of garnishment from them, gets the NY tax dept to garnish my savings account all at once, then the judge calls for a hearing.
I drive to NY from Tenn, walk in with every cancelled check with those child support words written on them for 15 years, and her signature on the back,....and the judge says...well ... you didnt send them through the child support division so officially you never paid - so you will have to pay it again...which to keep out of jail, I did - of course none of the original , nor the second time I paid, went to the kids - because she happened to lie about the fact that they were living with her - which they werent - she had put them into foster care

She now goes around to "support groups" in NY teaching other recent divorced wives how to accomplish the same thing

So go fuck yourself
That makes NO sense.

First, who said you needed to pay 50% of your pay? What if you were only paid $100 per pay period?

See, scumbag the court sets the amount of payment owed to your children and it falls within a state required range of dollars (not a %). Next, why didn't you pay as your state requires? That would be, through the child support enforcement agency. Ever heard of them? Who said you should mail checks directly to the wife while ignoring the CSEA and all of their notices to you about non payment? You are lying. No court would order child support for a woman who wasn't taking care of her children. Nobody would be ordered to pay through the csea and just ignore them and pay whatever they want. NO COURT WOULD ALLOW THAT. YOU ARE LYING AND YOU ARE A SCUMBAG! TELL THE FULL STORY OR BE KNOWN AS THE SCUMBAG THAT TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE AND LOST.
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That makes NO sense.

First, who said you needed to pay 50% of your pay? What if you were only paid $100 per pay period?

See, scumbag the court sets the amount of payment owed to your children and it falls within a state required range of dollars (not a %). Next, why didn't you pay as your state requires? That would be, through the child support enforcement agency. Ever heard of them? Who said you should mail checks directly to the wife while ignoring the CSEA and all of their notices to you about non payment? You are lying. No court would order child support for a woman who wasn't taking care of her children. Nobody would be ordered to pay through the csea and just ignore them and pay whatever they want. NO COURT WOULD ALLOW THAT. YOU ARE LYING AND YOU ARE A SCUMBAG! TELL THE FULL STORY OR BE KNOWN AS THE SCUMBAG THAT TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE AND LOST.


Shut the fuck up you stupid cum bucket whore.
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That makes NO sense.

First, who said you needed to pay 50% of your pay? What if you were only paid $100 per pay period?

See, scumbag the court sets the amount of payment owed to your children and it falls within a state required range of dollars (not a %). Next, why didn't you pay as your state requires? That would be, through the child support enforcement agency. Ever heard of them? Who said you should mail checks directly to the wife while ignoring the CSEA and all of their notices to you about non payment? You are lying. No court would order child support for a woman who wasn't taking care of her children. Nobody would be ordered to pay through the csea and just ignore them and pay whatever they want. NO COURT WOULD ALLOW THAT. YOU ARE LYING AND YOU ARE A SCUMBAG! TELL THE FULL STORY OR BE KNOWN AS THE SCUMBAG THAT TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE AND LOST.
You know, I see your point and all, but valid point aside, you Shelly L are a fucking first class bitch with a capital B.

Did your own ex leave you in the lurch? If so I can see why.

I don't use the C word much, but you definitely qualify as one.
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Word on this board is that you are the cum bucket whore. Now I guess you should shut the fuck up!
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And I'll further add here that if Linkster's ex had any modicum of decency and honesty in her she would have accepted his cheques and left it at that, and NOT gone to court to further take advantage of him.

Shelly L's skewed view of this is about as retarded as I've seen it get around here.

I thought this was a serious albeit heavy-handed thread about this topic which was to invite further discussion. I can see now that Shelly L is just another fucking anon board troll out to push buttons.

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And I'll further add here that if Linkster's ex had any modicum of decency and honesty in her she would have accepted his cheques and left it at that, and NOT gone to court to further take advantage of him.

Shelly L's skewed view of this is about as retarded as I've seen it get around here.

I thought this was a serious albeit heavy-handed thread about this topic which was to invite further discussion. I can see now that Shelly L is just another fucking anon board troll out to push buttons.

No sale bitch.
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my girlfriend's ex don't pay shit, he doesn't have a job just because of this, he works under the table if ever, but you know fuck the money that is not what we want or expect from him, we expect him to be a father to his kid.

I have a daughter with another girl, and I see my kid alot, always buy her everything she needs and try my best to ship money to the mother whenever she needs something for my daughter, but nothing bugs me more than when I know its not going for my daughter. example. she says Jada needs clothes... so we go and buy her clothes and mail it to her, and my ex gets pissed off that I done that.. "curious to wonder why". than she tells me about all her money issues, car fines, her school etc. like I fucking care about that, I got my own problems to deal with. we are pretty good at dealing with this without the court and custody shit, but there are surely days where we are telling each other to fuck off.

and you know what... I would take my daughter full time in a heartbeat and not expect a penny for having her... I would send my daughter all the money possible if I knew every penny was being used for her.. when she is with me she gets spoiled.
that's a problem with child support... how about the scummy moms that use the money to go to the casino and get fucked at the hotel...
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Shelly - first off I said 70% - not 50% - because that is what the military allows a complaining wife to get from an active service member - has nothing to do with what the courts order as military personnel get a little different deal thanwhat civilian courts allow.

Second - being a good father and loving husband, I thought when my ex-wife requested the checks sent to her directly to avoid the processing time of one month in NY, I was doing something good for my children - I didnt have a lawyer as I couldnt afford one, so I did what I thought was right

Third - the court didnt know about the fact that she had sent the kids to foster care - she didnt tell them, the investigator for child support wouldnt have any reason to look into it as I didnt bring it up (I didnt know about it at the time), and I can guarantee you that none of the child support agencies in NY talk to each other(they dont have time to piss let alone talk about cases).


I still have every original check that I sent for 15 years - with my exwifes signature on the back cashing the checks - I also have the order that states that since the checks were not sent through (in my case it was called DHS not the term you used) the court, they were not applied as child support but considered as gifts by the judge.

I frankly dont care if you believe my experiences - I know what happened and still have every document ever used in that case - but for me - it was 20 years ago, I know my children know the real story now and actually had a wonderful experience of having my daughter marry a good man and knowing that my children are happy
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And I'll further add here that if Linkster's ex had any modicum of decency and honesty in her she would have accepted his cheques and left it at that, and NOT gone to court to further take advantage of him.

Shelly L's skewed view of this is about as retarded as I've seen it get around here.

I thought this was a serious albeit heavy-handed thread about this topic which was to invite further discussion. I can see now that Shelly L is just another fucking anon board troll out to push buttons.

No sale bitch.
First, let me say that YOU are the bitch in this thread.
Now, don't you think "linkster" is not telling you the whole truth? He is lying and you should wait to hear the entire story. I WANT NUMBERS SCUMBAG!
So, why am I a bitch? Because I call deadbeat dads scumbags? Because I call gfy idiots names because they call me names? You are confused my poor, thick friend.
Go back to whatever you do and leave this thread to me bitch!
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Word on this board is that you are the cum bucket whore. Now I guess you should shut the fuck up!

Okay welfare mamma, I think you're confusing this board for FatDivorcedBitches.com

I'm willing to bet you do nothing but sit on your ass all day watching Jerry Springer with a bag of Dorito's screaming at your kids. Then you expect some poor sap to support your fat ass for the rest of your life simply because you got him drunk enough to stick his dick in you.
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First, let me say that YOU are the bitch in this thread.
Now, don't you think "linkster" is not telling you the whole truth? He is lying and you should wait to hear the entire story. I WANT NUMBERS SCUMBAG!
So, why am I a bitch? Because I call deadbeat dads scumbags? Because I call gfy idiots names because they call me names? You are confused my poor, thick friend.
Go back to whatever you do and leave this thread to me bitch!
See post #86

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I have seen some braindead fucktards post on this board before, but this Shelly L bitch takes the friggin' proverbial bitchcake.
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I have seen some braindead fucktards post on this board before, but this Shelly L bitch takes the friggin' proverbial bitchcake.

No shit. No wonder the dude left tracks and got the hell out.
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CD - sometimes when people are in emotional times the thoughts they post can sound confrontational - however I usually sit back and think how I feel when I am in a situation where I feel in total disarray - and I tend to give that as a "gimme" when I see the outbursts.

You know as old as I am now, I try to think about the next moment Im going to enjoy or reflect on that little point of light that shone while I was having the last one

Of course knowing me like ya do - you know that I mean something completely different
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you divorced the mother of your child (or children) and you fail to pay proper child support? you know it is a jailable offense.
do the right thing and pay to keep your kids from turning tricks for food.
Fuck that hoe and the kid too...prolly aint even mine.
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Linkster, I never knew that stuff. Wow man, you've been through the wringer
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CD - sometimes when people are in emotional times the thoughts they post can sound confrontational - however I usually sit back and think how I feel when I am in a situation where I feel in total disarray - and I tend to give that as a "gimme" when I see the outbursts.

You know as old as I am now, I try to think about the next moment Im going to enjoy or reflect on that little point of light that shone while I was having the last one

Of course knowing me like ya do - you know that I mean something completely different


And like I posted earlier, I can definitely see where "she" is coming from. I acknowledged her points as stated, but her little self-indulgent rant definitely crossed the line when she began cocking off at you and calling you a liar and a deadbeat with nothing to back it up.

Thus I allowed myself something I rarely allow lately...

I let loose on the bitch. :D


Btw, I still have your email in the queue, there is only about 20 or 30 ahead of it that I have yet to deal with, then I'll be hitting you up about those trades we discussed. I definitely have not forgotten.
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Shelly - first off I said 70% - not 50% - because that is what the military allows a complaining wife to get from an active service member - has nothing to do with what the courts order as military personnel get a little different deal thanwhat civilian courts allow.

Second - being a good father and loving husband, I thought when my ex-wife requested the checks sent to her directly to avoid the processing time of one month in NY, I was doing something good for my children - I didnt have a lawyer as I couldnt afford one, so I did what I thought was right

Third - the court didnt know about the fact that she had sent the kids to foster care - she didnt tell them, the investigator for child support wouldnt have any reason to look into it as I didnt bring it up (I didnt know about it at the time), and I can guarantee you that none of the child support agencies in NY talk to each other(they dont have time to piss let alone talk about cases).


I still have every original check that I sent for 15 years - with my exwifes signature on the back cashing the checks - I also have the order that states that since the checks were not sent through (in my case it was called DHS not the term you used) the court, they were not applied as child support but considered as gifts by the judge.

I frankly dont care if you believe my experiences - I know what happened and still have every document ever used in that case - but for me - it was 20 years ago, I know my children know the real story now and actually had a wonderful experience of having my daughter marry a good man and knowing that my children are happy

First, you said you paid 50% to your wife after the military you moron. That is what we are talking about here ditz. You also don't understand the simple fact that you claim to have been divorced WHILE in the military, yet you claim not to have had enough money for an attorney. Lie. One nice benefit is that they will represent you in legal matters FOR FREE to an active service man or woman.

Second, you ignored a court order to pay through the system because you were a "good father" and a "loving husband"???? Didn't you just say that she left you while you were serving and now you claim to still be a loving husband after she started fucking another man? Sorry, but you are lying again. Why didn't you pay into the system. The "one month" processing might affect the first payment but that is it. Also, why would you ignore a court order? That makes NO sense. Didn't the agency send you past due notices and start collection action? You can't expect anybody to believe that they just ignored your case for 15 years.

Third, you claim she didn't even have the kids? Be more specific. You can't just dump kids into a foster home. At what point do you think she did this? More importantly, you paid 50% of whatever for 15 years and NEVER ONCE VISITED YOUR KIDS? What is that about? All you needed to do was try to see them ONCE and you would have realized that they were in foster care.

What is going on? You are keeping so many details out that I can't help but think you were either in prison or a total fucking drug addict who didn't make any effort to know your own kids. I don't care about you or what happened or why you didn't follow the court order to pay support through the agency or why you thought it would be a good idea to not see your kids for 15 years.

I'm just saying that you are a scumbag and you should stop spreading lies and half truths before you are exposed as the fat liar you really are.


Nobody knew the kids were in foster care over those 15 years. You were their father! How could you not know???? You scumbag.

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That makes NO sense.

NO COURT WOULD ALLOW THAT. YOU ARE LYING AND YOU ARE A SCUMBAG! TELL THE FULL STORY OR BE KNOWN AS THE SCUMBAG THAT TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE AND LOST.

BULLSHIT! COURTS ARE REALLY FUCKED UP WHEN IT COMES TO MEN AND THEIR CHILDREN!!! I HAVE SEEN THIS SHIT HAPPEN TO MANY OF MY MALE FRIENDS! WOMEN GET ALL THE RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY SPREAD THEIR LEGS AND GET KNOCKED UP AND PUSH OUT A KID! MY FRIEND IS COURT ORDERED TO PAY $10,000 A MONTH EVEN THOUGH HE LOST HIS JOB THIS PAST YEAR. THE COURT DIDN'T CARE. THEY WENT OFF WHAT HE MADE THE YEAR BEFORE. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY RIGHT NOW TO PAY $10,000 A MONTH AND ASKED FOR THE KIDS PART TIME AND SHE HAVE THE KIDS PART TIME AND NO PAYMENTS AND THE COURT SAID "NO" HE HAD TO PAY THE MONEY! SO PLEASE DO NOT BE SO FOOLISH AS TO THINK THERE ARE NOT JUDGES IN THIS COUNTRY WHO MAKE BAD JUDGEMENTS! JUDGES DO IT ALL THE TIME!

I THINK YOU ARE MISSING SOMETHING, CASES ARE BROUGHT TO A "JUDGE" AND THE ?JUDGE? CAN MAKE A "JUDGEMENT" AND SOMETIMES THE ?JUDGE? MAKES BAD ?JUDGEMENTS?!!! IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!
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I let loose on the bitch. :D
You let loose? You ate my used tampon and liked it fat man. Read the thread again bitch. You criticize me for what? Calling out scumbags? Fuck you you fuck! You aren't shit!
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