The GFY Graphic Designer Showdown - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Then again, if 'we' make designs for a ready domain, we should probably have some info on the sites, no?
Or can I put in the design "The site has gazillion videos of real virgins losing their virginity to Elvis and Jimi Hendrix". So if there's gonna be them ready-made domain names, there should also be a list of shit the site includes for the members? If one makes a site of his own it's easy to tell what's inside.

Just a thought.

this is a dumb idea TGF..... you're taking away every last ounce of thought involved here. Fuck the preset promos for what's inside... you gotta think that shit up. Besides... it doesn't matter what you put on it... there isn't going to BE a members area.... it's just a tour.

FATPad · 05-16-2002, 10:29 AM

No more categories.

Just crank out a kick ass design for something and throw it in the competition.

People can't do shit just for fun anymore.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
No more categories.

Just crank out a kick ass design for something and throw it in the competition.

People can't do shit just for fun anymore.

exactly.... keep it simple.

Nina · 05-16-2002, 10:32 AM

I agree

Jakke PNG · 05-16-2002, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

this is a dumb idea TGF..... you're taking away every last ounce of thought involved here. Fuck the preset promos for what's inside... you gotta think that shit up. Besides... it doesn't matter what you put on it... there isn't going to BE a members area.... it's just a tour.

Ah, but this was related to the previos paragraph I wrote.. or a phrase.

"Then the winning designs for each sites will just be chosen to be used on those sites if the sites go live, for free?. "

That was to say, if the domain/content whatever provider gets in return. I thought they could have the design to be used on that site. If there's no site ever coming up for the designs, then we don't need any info.

SetTheWorldonFire · 05-16-2002, 10:35 AM

I say you do one niche in html only. Not complicated. If all goes well then we can move to another category.

Start with Big titts site tour.

This way we can have one niche every month.

Gramma · 05-16-2002, 10:38 AM

If anyone wants to do this tour - for one of MY sites -
I'll donate the exclusive content to use to make the tour with- (and take an option on buying it afterwards if it's cheap enough

)

classyoldernudes.com
mysluttygrandma.com
grammasworld.com
grammascloset.com
granniesgonewild.com

yys · 05-16-2002, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yys

Why not auction the tours for charity? Maybe send some poor inner city kids out camping or into a computer class for the summer.

Just repeating my idea for what I think should be done with the tours after the competition is over. Maybe the designers could receive a bit of the money from the auction for out of pocket expenses.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 10:43 AM

since there's so much disagreement and confusion....
How's this:

You choose your own domain.
You choose your own niche.
You choose your own content.
You crank out the best thing you can and put it to the test.

Easy as that.

Now.... if a content provider wants to choose a designer from the list and sponsor them with content for the tour, that's cool. No harm, no foul. If it's based on a deal to get the tour when the thing is over, that's cool too.... it's not going to influence anything one way or another, so why not.

After it's over and done, the tours can go to wherever they need to go. If you made a deal with a content provider for the tour, then obviously, they get your tour. If you wanna give it away, give it away. If you wanna sell it, then sell it.... it doesn't really matter.... the only main concern is the competition. What you do with the tour afterwards is up to you. If it's been promised to a content provider... then you already know what you gotta do with it.

I think a GFY auction would be a good idea too for the after party. Open to all... And if we're gonna go with using our own domains and everything, then I'll gladly put mine up for auction when the voting is over.... and I don't care if I only get $5 bucks for it.... the auction shouldn't be the main motivation here....

just wanna keep this as uncomplicated as we can.... it's suppossed to be something fun.... think of it like a car show on a Sunday.

alias · 05-16-2002, 10:46 AM

ok amp sounds good, I'm in

danevans · 05-16-2002, 10:46 AM

Hmm, let's start voting

for 5 domains thing, cause someone who already has or grabs something like xxxsluts.com has an advantage when compared to someone who gets http://www.horny-slutty-lesbian-chix...each-other.com

for fun against $$$ idea, cause whoever wins gets an ego boost and that cool TV..

alias · 05-16-2002, 10:47 AM

TeenGodFather
Hypo
Nina
Bhuto
Lickshots
redshift
amp
Sabai
va2k
Vegasdude
AdultWebGraphics
Fletch XXX
Tylo
XXXPaysiteDesign
Andrew@XPD
Brut
Tabster
MetaformX
GotGauge
alias

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 10:48 AM

hell, the domain really isn't even all that important.... what's important is how you create the tour for that domain.....

you can have a smokin' tour for my-domain-is-way-too-fucking-long.com and a shitty tour for fuckme.com,.... the domain isn't really going to be the deciding factor... we're not getting judged on our domain selection expertise.

Jakke PNG · 05-16-2002, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
How's this:

You choose your own domain.
You choose your own niche.
You choose your own content.
You crank out the best thing you can and put it to the test.

Easy as that.

Easy it is.. Still 2 categories?
No rules, 2 categories, and no fancy scripts is my vote.

Tabster · 05-16-2002, 10:52 AM

Only one more thing from my part...

Only one design pr. designer, or can you supmit more than one... ?

cherrylula · 05-16-2002, 10:56 AM

Hmmm now the advertising in the tour is of course based on the content of the site..... So are there going to be any rules about not advertising say videos, if there are not any in the members section? Then again there is not really going to be a members section, right?

In my mind I use the knowledge of what content I have to make a tour. How does this apply to the contest? Is it okay to beef up your tour even if you don't have all the content? And how does this affect those who do not have access to a variety of content versus those who do?

Perhaps there should be a rough estimate of what the members section for these tours should have, to keep the point of the contest fair. Does this make sense??? Will the designer have to actually have all the content for the tour, or for example could the tour advertise live cam shows even if there is not really a model who will be doing this?

Wondering how this factor will come into play. I know I could advertise the fuck out of all sorts of things on a tour, but I don't do this because I don't have that much content LOL

What about those who shoot their own content, is this fair in the contest?

And why the fuck is there a text link for penis pills above my post??? How about some bloussant or something? LOL hahaha

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Easy it is.. Still 2 categories?
No rules, 2 categories, and no fancy scripts is my vote.

there are rules.... not many, but there's a few...

1. Must confirm participation by being listed on the official page (being created now) by noon May 31st. No late entries.

2. No databasing, weird plugins, or hotlinking.

3. Tours must be uploaded and online by the start of the voting which will begin at 1pm (Pacific time). If your tour is not online by the deadline, you are disqualified. (no-brainer there)

4. Must be an adult tour. (cuz if we allowed mainstream and other shit, that's just an ugly place we don't even wanna go to)

5. Must be designed by the person named on the contestant list. (No buying or contracting a tour and putting it up.... anyone can do that)

6. Must be a NEW design... no previously made tours. There's really no way to verify this other than checking the image & file timestamps.

I think that's about it.... did I miss anything?

Also.... do we have a prize committee yet? Because I see a problem with having 2 categories.... (Flash & non-Flash) if we run 1st, 2nd, & 3rd in both categories, how then do we face them off to decide the ultimate winner of the big prize Lens put up? I don't have a solution yet... I just thought up the problem.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tabster
Only one more thing from my part...

Only one design pr. designer, or can you supmit more than one... ?

One tour per designer.

12clicks · 05-16-2002, 11:03 AM

I submit
http://www.fatwives.com
Everything is my own doing.
do I win?

Pipecrew · 05-16-2002, 11:04 AM

Give them the Dvd Player or content this thread will win

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
Hmmm now the advertising in the tour is of course based on the content of the site..... So are there going to be any rules about not advertising say videos, if there are not any in the members section? Then again there is not really going to be a members section, right?

In my mind I use the knowledge of what content I have to make a tour. How does this apply to the contest? Is it okay to beef up your tour even if you don't have all the content? And how does this affect those who do not have access to a variety of content versus those who do?

Perhaps there should be a rough estimate of what the members section for these tours should have, to keep the point of the contest fair. Does this make sense??? Will the designer have to actually have all the content for the tour, or for example could the tour advertise live cam shows even if there is not really a model who will be doing this?

Wondering how this factor will come into play. I know I could advertise the fuck out of all sorts of things on a tour, but I don't do this because I don't have that much content LOL

There aren't going to be any members areas.... they're just tours. You can say you got a barrel of monkeys back there if you want... it doesn't matter. Don't make this harder than it needs to be.

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
What about those who shoot their own content, is this fair in the contest?

shoot it.... doesn't matter.... but if your content sucks, your tour will probably suck too.... so it'd be a good idea to use the best content you can.

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
And why the fuck is there a text link for penis pills above my post??? How about some bloussant or something? LOL hahaha

because your penis is too small.

12clicks · 05-16-2002, 11:11 AM

I submit
http://www.fatwives.com
Everything is my own doing.
do I win?

FATPad · 05-16-2002, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
I submit
http://www.fatwives.com
Everything is my own doing.
do I win?

That site get you so excited you're stuttering now?

The Machine · 05-16-2002, 11:13 AM

Great idea Amp

However, if you want to make this a real life competition, you have to think about it in terms of what pay site designers do in real life. What happens is a client comes by and says : "This is my domain, and this is the content set I want to be used for my paysite design". Then the designer does a paysite design using THAT domain and THAT content, since those are the rules of real life graphic design.

Therefore if you want to really measure designers' skills, you have to give them 1 domain and 1 content set to work with. This way the rules will be closest to real life and you'll really see who is a good designer and who knows how to do just one specific thing. Cause think about it - when a customer comes by and says I want this teen site done, do you tell them "Well, I prefer doing mature sites, so sorry, but you have to look for somebody else"

This should be a real life competition, and if somebody wants to let loose their creativity and work with whatever they feel most comfortable, they should go draw a painting or something.

Just my

Cheers,
The Machine

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
if you want to make this a real life competition, you have to think about it in terms of what pay site designers do in real life. What happens is a client comes by and says : "This is my domain, and this is the content set I want to be used for my paysite design". Then the designer does a paysite design using THAT domain and THAT content, since those are the rules of real life graphic design.

true.....

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
Therefore if you want to really measure designers' skills, you have to give them 1 domain and 1 content set to work with. This way the rules will be closest to real life and you'll really see who is a good designer and who knows how to do just one specific thing. Cause think about it - when a customer comes by and says I want this teen site done, do you tell them "Well, I prefer doing mature sites, so sorry, but you have to look for somebody else"

This should be a real life competition, and if somebody wants to let loose their creativity and work with whatever they feel most comfortable, they should go draw a painting or something.

Just my

Cheers,
The Machine

I agree Machine... except for the part about 1 content set.... it's damn difficult to make a tour using only one set, unless the site is specific to that one model or something....

but yes... Lens suggested something similar as well, about choosing from say, 5 domains, and the content providers putting up a set number of content sets to choose from, and going from there..... I stilll think that's a good idea too....

either way, whether we do it that way or just free-for-all it.... I'm okay with either way.... but nobody has really made the decision one way or another and I'm not sure that I should be deciding that.... that's why I was asking, who's in charge of this thing? I know JPFDude is working on the official page for this.... I started one at www.opticalamplitude.com/showdown/index.html but there's not much on it yet...

Nina · 05-16-2002, 11:21 AM

that is a good point.

The Machine · 05-16-2002, 11:27 AM

As for the single set - OK, it can be a couple of sets of the same couple of models (I still think that a single good set with enough pics should do the job, but a couple of sets will not ruin it too).

About who should call the shots - well, "Whoever pays the piper, calls the tune".

In this case that would be Lensman

(who looks like a pretty impartial party too).

Cheers,
Machine

AdultWebGraphics · 05-16-2002, 11:27 AM

I like the idea of 1 domain and like 10-20 sets to use.
Then every designer has the same stuff to work with. This way it will be more fair for everyone.

Hypo · 05-16-2002, 11:30 AM

It looks to me that the flash category is being put in cos just one person wants it. Out of the list of 18 or so contestants how many really do want a flash category, cos there's no point having a category where only one person submits and wins. Taking out the flash category will have the prize thing much simpler.

So how many of the contestants want a flash category? Reply with a 'Yes a Flash'.

Plus I would rather the tour remain with the designer cos they buy all the content.

Jakke PNG · 05-16-2002, 11:35 AM

Shouldn't Lensman approve the final rules etc?
His board, his main prize.

This is messy atm

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:37 AM

very true..... so, just like when this started, if there's not enough people that are gonna do Flash tours, then we need to nuke that and keep it to one category..... and no Flash.

JPFDude is setting down the final guidelines here.... and things are coming together..... should have the site live by tomorrow he tells me....

just so you guys know I'm not really making the decisions here on this anymore.... like I said yesterday, I don't wanna be a conflict of interest in this, because I wanna be in it too.... so, I'm trying like hell to not make rules to fit me.

FATPad · 05-16-2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Shouldn't Lensman approve the final rules etc?
His board, his main prize.
This is messy atm

It's only messy because people are making it messy.

It's very simple. Crank out your best tour and show it off.

Stop worrying about prizes and scoring systems and all that other shit.

This is a very simple "I'm a kickass designer, here's my shit" contest that's being turned into an overly complicated beauracratic nightmare because people aren't in it for fun, they're in it for prizes.

Hypo · 05-16-2002, 11:38 AM

Als, I would like freedom of choosing niche, content, domain.. everything! I would even allow putting flash and non-flash in one category - someone who makes a better design using flash deserves to win.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather
Shouldn't Lensman approve the final rules etc?
His board, his main prize.
This is messy atm

works for me.... Lens can approve the final rule set... I have no problems with that at all...

The Machine · 05-16-2002, 11:41 AM

Even if somebody donates the a couple of sets, the tour should remain with the designer. Come to think about it they will get a lot of publicity from this, which is worth more than a couple of sets.

As for the Flash, in my opinion Flash should not be a part of this - again, this should be a real life competition and who does Flash paysites anyway

Cheers,
The Machine

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
As for the Flash, in my opinion Flash should not be a part of this - again, this should be a real life competition and who does Flash paysites anyway

Cheers,
The Machine

hehehe.... very true.

shunga · 05-16-2002, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yys
Why not auction the tours for charity? Maybe send some poor inner city kids out camping or into a computer class for the summer.

I would second that. Auctioning the tours would broaden this from just being a shop window for designers into something that actually does some good. Without that you just have designers competing for a prize and/or a tour sale.

You also widen interest in it as more people can participate. If you're not a designer, or a judge, you can participate in the auction. Lensman nominates the charity.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:56 AM

well, there's only one set of prizes, so there's only gonna be one category. Not two. That much has been carved in stone by the fearless leaders.

no more split contest..... it's one big show.

The Flash issue is still being talked about.... so far, lot's of reasons to disallow it, and not many for it. Namely, the Flash program isn't needed to create the graphics..... you still gotta make nice graphics even using it. So.... that leaves Flash as an outside plugin tool to gain unfair advantage by coding up audio and shit that others would not be able to, and as Machine said, who the fuck makes Flash paysites in the real world anyway?

I think it should be kept to pure GIF/JPEG, HTML, CSS, & Javascript..... that keeps everyone using the same tools. And that's more important for keeping it fair than the domain issue or content or any of the other stuff.....

12clicks · 05-16-2002, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad

That site get you so excited you're stuttering now?

yeah, how the hell did that happen? we need a bbw smiley.

hyper · 05-16-2002, 11:59 AM

i agree the winning tour or tours should be auctioned off for charity

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 11:59 AM

also, the tour urls will be coded somehow so that no ones name is directly attached to them during the voting. That way it's not a popularity contest.

B.Diker · 05-16-2002, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
here's what I got:

Nina
Bhuto
Lickshots
redshift
amp
Sabai
va2k
Vegasdude
AdultWebGraphics

you forget to add XaGraphics ?

Jakke PNG · 05-16-2002, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
also, the tour urls will be coded somehow so that no ones name is directly attached to them during the voting. That way it's not a popularity contest.

Excellent point.

0zzy · 05-16-2002, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by B.Diker

you forget to add XaGraphics ?

whois XaGraphics...

and to update the list, I had a bit of time, so I read the whole thread and I think I have the full list of designer.

TeenGodFather
Hypo
Nina
Bhuto
Lickshots
redshift
amp
Sabai
va2k
Vegasdude
AdultWebGraphics
Fletch XXX
Tylo
XXXPaysiteDesign
Andrew@XPD
Brut
Tabster
MetaformX
GotGauge
alias
DamnFineOnline
Hyper

Hyper and DamnFineOnline wasn't added yet.

BTW, I could be an impartial JUDGE.

The Machine · 05-16-2002, 12:06 PM

The domain is hosted somewhere and the tours are numbered, e.g contestant 1 has tour1.html, tour1a.html, tour1b.html, etc., and contestant 20 has tour20.html, tour20a.html.

Who gets to be contestant 1 - well, whoever submits their tour first - it's as simple as that.

Cheers,
The Machine

The Machine · 05-16-2002, 12:07 PM

And of course nobody but the officials will know who contestant 1 and contestant 20 is - problem solved.

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by B.Diker

you forget to add XaGraphics ?

I'm not adding anyone...... you gotta add yourself if you wanna play....

Amputate Your Head · 05-16-2002, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Machine
And of course nobody but the officials will know who contestant 1 and contestant 20 is - problem solved.

exactly....

SABAI · 05-16-2002, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hypo
And my name is an abbreviation of 'Hypothalamus', the pleasure center.

oh! i thought that was the abreviation of HYPOPOTAMUS

B.Diker · 05-16-2002, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

I'm not adding anyone...... you gotta add yourself if you wanna play....

ohh i see
okay

05-16-2002, 10:29 AM	#202
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	No more categories. Just crank out a kick ass design for something and throw it in the competition. People can't do shit just for fun anymore. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

05-16-2002, 10:35 AM	#206
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	I say you do one niche in html only. Not complicated. If all goes well then we can move to another category. Start with Big titts site tour. This way we can have one niche every month. __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle

05-16-2002, 10:38 AM	#207
Gramma Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 402	If anyone wants to do this tour - for one of MY sites - I'll donate the exclusive content to use to make the tour with- (and take an option on buying it afterwards if it's cheap enough ) classyoldernudes.com mysluttygrandma.com grammasworld.com grammascloset.com granniesgonewild.com __________________ gramma at ix.netcom.com

05-16-2002, 10:46 AM	#210
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	ok amp sounds good, I'm in __________________ https://porncorporation.com Last edited by alias; 05-16-2002 at 10:47 AM..

05-16-2002, 10:46 AM	#211
danevans Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Europe Posts: 1,295	Hmm, let's start voting for 5 domains thing, cause someone who already has or grabs something like xxxsluts.com has an advantage when compared to someone who gets http://www.horny-slutty-lesbian-chix...each-other.com for fun against $$$ idea, cause whoever wins gets an ego boost and that cool TV.. __________________ Custom adult games / apps for your paysites. webmaster at multimoodia.net icq35291012

05-16-2002, 10:32 AM	#204
Nina Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 2,687	I agree

05-16-2002, 10:43 AM	#209
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	since there's so much disagreement and confusion.... How's this: You choose your own domain. You choose your own niche. You choose your own content. You crank out the best thing you can and put it to the test. Easy as that. Now.... if a content provider wants to choose a designer from the list and sponsor them with content for the tour, that's cool. No harm, no foul. If it's based on a deal to get the tour when the thing is over, that's cool too.... it's not going to influence anything one way or another, so why not. After it's over and done, the tours can go to wherever they need to go. If you made a deal with a content provider for the tour, then obviously, they get your tour. If you wanna give it away, give it away. If you wanna sell it, then sell it.... it doesn't really matter.... the only main concern is the competition. What you do with the tour afterwards is up to you. If it's been promised to a content provider... then you already know what you gotta do with it. I think a GFY auction would be a good idea too for the after party. Open to all... And if we're gonna go with using our own domains and everything, then I'll gladly put mine up for auction when the voting is over.... and I don't care if I only get $5 bucks for it.... the auction shouldn't be the main motivation here.... just wanna keep this as uncomplicated as we can.... it's suppossed to be something fun.... think of it like a car show on a Sunday.

05-16-2002, 10:47 AM	#212
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	TeenGodFather Hypo Nina Bhuto Lickshots redshift amp Sabai va2k Vegasdude AdultWebGraphics Fletch XXX Tylo XXXPaysiteDesign Andrew@XPD Brut Tabster MetaformX GotGauge alias __________________ https://porncorporation.com

05-16-2002, 10:48 AM	#213
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	hell, the domain really isn't even all that important.... what's important is how you create the tour for that domain..... you can have a smokin' tour for my-domain-is-way-too-fucking-long.com and a shitty tour for fuckme.com,.... the domain isn't really going to be the deciding factor... we're not getting judged on our domain selection expertise.

05-16-2002, 10:52 AM	#215
Tabster Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hmmm think I'm in front of the computer. Posts: 128	Only one more thing from my part... Only one design pr. designer, or can you supmit more than one... ? __________________ Over and out. Limitations only exist in your mind dude, that's why I don't have any. :-)

05-16-2002, 10:56 AM	#216
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Hmmm now the advertising in the tour is of course based on the content of the site..... So are there going to be any rules about not advertising say videos, if there are not any in the members section? Then again there is not really going to be a members section, right? In my mind I use the knowledge of what content I have to make a tour. How does this apply to the contest? Is it okay to beef up your tour even if you don't have all the content? And how does this affect those who do not have access to a variety of content versus those who do? Perhaps there should be a rough estimate of what the members section for these tours should have, to keep the point of the contest fair. Does this make sense??? Will the designer have to actually have all the content for the tour, or for example could the tour advertise live cam shows even if there is not really a model who will be doing this? Wondering how this factor will come into play. I know I could advertise the fuck out of all sorts of things on a tour, but I don't do this because I don't have that much content LOL What about those who shoot their own content, is this fair in the contest? And why the fuck is there a text link for penis pills above my post??? How about some bloussant or something? LOL hahaha Last edited by cherrylula; 05-16-2002 at 10:58 AM..

05-16-2002, 11:03 AM	#219
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	I submit http://www.fatwives.com Everything is my own doing. do I win? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

05-16-2002, 11:04 AM	#220
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,885	Give them the Dvd Player or content this thread will win

05-16-2002, 11:11 AM	#222
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	I submit http://www.fatwives.com Everything is my own doing. do I win? __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

05-16-2002, 11:13 AM	#224
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	Great idea Amp However, if you want to make this a real life competition, you have to think about it in terms of what pay site designers do in real life. What happens is a client comes by and says : "This is my domain, and this is the content set I want to be used for my paysite design". Then the designer does a paysite design using THAT domain and THAT content, since those are the rules of real life graphic design. Therefore if you want to really measure designers' skills, you have to give them 1 domain and 1 content set to work with. This way the rules will be closest to real life and you'll really see who is a good designer and who knows how to do just one specific thing. Cause think about it - when a customer comes by and says I want this teen site done, do you tell them "Well, I prefer doing mature sites, so sorry, but you have to look for somebody else" This should be a real life competition, and if somebody wants to let loose their creativity and work with whatever they feel most comfortable, they should go draw a painting or something. Just my Cheers, The Machine

05-16-2002, 11:21 AM	#226
Nina Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 2,687	that is a good point.

05-16-2002, 11:27 AM	#227
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	As for the single set - OK, it can be a couple of sets of the same couple of models (I still think that a single good set with enough pics should do the job, but a couple of sets will not ruin it too). About who should call the shots - well, "Whoever pays the piper, calls the tune". In this case that would be Lensman (who looks like a pretty impartial party too). Cheers, Machine

05-16-2002, 11:27 AM	#228
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	I like the idea of 1 domain and like 10-20 sets to use. Then every designer has the same stuff to work with. This way it will be more fair for everyone.

05-16-2002, 11:30 AM	#229
Hypo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,104	It looks to me that the flash category is being put in cos just one person wants it. Out of the list of 18 or so contestants how many really do want a flash category, cos there's no point having a category where only one person submits and wins. Taking out the flash category will have the prize thing much simpler. So how many of the contestants want a flash category? Reply with a 'Yes a Flash'. Plus I would rather the tour remain with the designer cos they buy all the content.

05-16-2002, 11:35 AM	#230
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Shouldn't Lensman approve the final rules etc? His board, his main prize. This is messy atm __________________ ..and I'm off.

05-16-2002, 11:37 AM	#231
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	very true..... so, just like when this started, if there's not enough people that are gonna do Flash tours, then we need to nuke that and keep it to one category..... and no Flash. JPFDude is setting down the final guidelines here.... and things are coming together..... should have the site live by tomorrow he tells me.... just so you guys know I'm not really making the decisions here on this anymore.... like I said yesterday, I don't wanna be a conflict of interest in this, because I wanna be in it too.... so, I'm trying like hell to not make rules to fit me.

05-16-2002, 11:38 AM	#233
Hypo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,104	Als, I would like freedom of choosing niche, content, domain.. everything! I would even allow putting flash and non-flash in one category - someone who makes a better design using flash deserves to win.

05-16-2002, 11:41 AM	#235
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	Even if somebody donates the a couple of sets, the tour should remain with the designer. Come to think about it they will get a lot of publicity from this, which is worth more than a couple of sets. As for the Flash, in my opinion Flash should not be a part of this - again, this should be a real life competition and who does Flash paysites anyway Cheers, The Machine

05-16-2002, 11:56 AM	#238
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	well, there's only one set of prizes, so there's only gonna be one category. Not two. That much has been carved in stone by the fearless leaders. no more split contest..... it's one big show. The Flash issue is still being talked about.... so far, lot's of reasons to disallow it, and not many for it. Namely, the Flash program isn't needed to create the graphics..... you still gotta make nice graphics even using it. So.... that leaves Flash as an outside plugin tool to gain unfair advantage by coding up audio and shit that others would not be able to, and as Machine said, who the fuck makes Flash paysites in the real world anyway? I think it should be kept to pure GIF/JPEG, HTML, CSS, & Javascript..... that keeps everyone using the same tools. And that's more important for keeping it fair than the domain issue or content or any of the other stuff.....

05-16-2002, 11:59 AM	#240
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	i agree the winning tour or tours should be auctioned off for charity __________________

05-16-2002, 11:59 AM	#241
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	also, the tour urls will be coded somehow so that no ones name is directly attached to them during the voting. That way it's not a popularity contest.

05-16-2002, 12:06 PM	#245
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	The domain is hosted somewhere and the tours are numbered, e.g contestant 1 has tour1.html, tour1a.html, tour1b.html, etc., and contestant 20 has tour20.html, tour20a.html. Who gets to be contestant 1 - well, whoever submits their tour first - it's as simple as that. Cheers, The Machine

05-16-2002, 12:07 PM	#246
The Machine Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 859	And of course nobody but the officials will know who contestant 1 and contestant 20 is - problem solved.