Sources say Steve Nash edged out Kobe and Lebron for MVP. - GoFuckYourself.com

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 08:37 AM

1) Nash
2) Lebron
3) Bryant

You think the racism argument will arise again?

Nash is a true point guard, very deserving if the story turns out to be true.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:16 AM

racism lol. some people need better things to do with their time.

btw...who/where's this source?

TDF · 04-26-2006, 09:18 AM

racist!!!!!

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:18 AM

I think Kobe got robbed, I am sick of the NBA the guy scores 81 points in a game wow. Not to mention the fact that nash has better teamates around him. Thats bullcrap.

The Truth Hurts · 04-26-2006, 09:22 AM

racism?

isn't Nash the first white guy to win it since Larry Bird 20 years ago?

ronaldo · 04-26-2006, 09:23 AM

I don't think that's racist at all. Most awards of that nature are subjective.

I think the fact that a black player hasn't won any notable individual awards in the NHL is more racist. /sarcasm

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

I think Kobe got robbed, I am sick of the NBA the guy scores 81 points in a game wow. Not to mention the fact that nash has better teamates around him. Thats bullcrap.

You must not follow very close...Kobe doesn't make anyone on his team better. Unless you want to count the scoring they do etc...is out of fear Kobe will never pass them the ball that game.

The only two players the MVP vote should come down to are Nash and James.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

racism?

isn't Nash the first white guy to win it since Larry Bird 20 years ago?

Nash edged out Shaq last year and some in the media called it racism. Shaq didn't help by making pompous comments (not racist, just egomaniacle).

Nash represents what the league likes right now.

He is a great player, but he isn't a champion like Kobe. And he never will be. If he wants a title, he needs to play along side Kobe or Lebron. IMO.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

racism?

isn't Nash the first white guy to win it since Larry Bird 20 years ago?

and someone that thinks race plays a roll in everything would have said the same thing back then too.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Nash edged out Shaq last year and some in the media called it racism. Shaq didn't help by making pompous comments (not racist, just egomaniacle).

Nash represents what the league likes right now.

He is a great player, but he isn't a champion like Kobe. And he never will be. If he wants a title, he needs to play along side Kobe or Lebron. IMO.

and the only reason Kobe has 3 rings...SHAQ. Until he becomes a team player, and gets someone to play with...he'll never win another.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:27 AM

Arizona paper reported it this morning, claiming anon sources.

You guys that come down on Kobe, you should watch him play a bit closer. He may not be well liked, however saying he isn't as good as Lebron or Nash is crazy. Even Lebron admitted that. Look at Lebron's mistakes yesterday. Kobe is a well polished prime time, post season player.

The Truth Hurts · 04-26-2006, 09:27 AM

quick look...
looks like its 41 to 9... Black MVP's to White MVP's from 55/56 to 04/05

Bryan G · 04-26-2006, 09:28 AM

Ya for the Canadian boy!!!

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

and the only reason Kobe has 3 rings...SHAQ. Until he becomes a team player, and gets someone to play with...he'll never win another.

Shaq needed Kobe.

Every great player needs someone, Jordan wasn't empty handed.

Downtime · 04-26-2006, 09:29 AM

yeah i think he deserves it too

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

quick look...
looks like its 41 to 9... Black MVP's to White MVP's from 55/56 to 04/05

The racist remarks are ridiculous. Nash deserves it. In addition, Kobe and Lebron are seeded to low for the traditional MVP balloting.

ronaldo · 04-26-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

He is a great player, but he isn't a champion like Kobe. And he never will be. If he wants a title, he needs to play along side Kobe or Lebron. IMO.

Uh, admittedly, being a short white man I don't watch much basketball, but wasn't Kobe a champion ONLY when HE played beside Shaq?

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

You must not follow very close...Kobe doesn't make anyone on his team better. Unless you want to count the scoring they do etc...is out of fear Kobe will never pass them the ball that game.

The only two players the MVP vote should come down to are Nash and James.

Kobe is the only reason why the team made it to the playoffs, nash had lots of help, to me kobe is the MVP.You take nash out you still have an ok suns team, but with kobe out the lakers would have the number 1 draft pick.

Drake · 04-26-2006, 09:35 AM

Nash has phenomenol game

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Arizona paper reported it this morning, claiming anon sources.

You guys that come down on Kobe, you should watch him play a bit closer. He may not be well liked, however saying he isn't as good as Lebron or Nash is crazy. Even Lebron admitted that. Look at Lebron's mistakes yesterday. Kobe is a well polished prime time, post season player.

You need to know what you're talking about and follow all 3 players, I follow them all. There's not a "more dominant individual/team player" in the NBA than LeBron James. There's no other player that does as much on the court as LeBron...he had a season that can only be compared with 4 others in NBA history...and oh yeah, he's 21. He would have been my pick, then Nash...and it would be a toss up between Kobe/Nowitzki/Brand/Marion.

All Kobe is is a great scorer. To be the MVP you need to be a complete player...he has a long way to go.

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Shaq needed Kobe.

Every great player needs someone, Jordan wasn't empty handed.

Your right Jordan had pippen, rodman, kukoc, harper and the list goes on.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

Uh, admittedly, being a short white man I don't watch much basketball, but wasn't Kobe a champion ONLY when HE played beside Shaq?

Neither have a title without each other.

Bryant was a dominant, large guard that hit clutch shots. You had to devote attention to him or he shredded you, particularly in the 4th quarter.

Go look at Kobe's numbers in the 4th quarter of that dynasty. Then, look at Shaq's 4th quarter free throw misses.

Bryant also swung to power forward and reaked havoc on the opposition. He can score at will.

The media is finally letting go of the ball hog label, the fans will catch on eventually. Those living in LA really don't label him that anymore.

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

You need to know what you're talking about and follow all 3 players, I follow them all. There's not a "more dominant individual/team player" in the NBA than LeBron James. There's no other player that does as much on the court as LeBron...he had a season that can only be compared with 4 others in NBA history...and oh yeah, he's 21. He would have been my pick, then Nash...and it would be a toss up between Kobe/Nowitzki/Brand/Marion.

All Kobe is is a great scorer. To be the MVP you need to be a complete player...he has a long way to go.

YOU CANNOT BE MORE WRONG

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

Kobe is the only reason why the team made it to the playoffs, nash had lots of help, to me kobe is the MVP.You take nash out you still have an ok suns team, but with kobe out the lakers would have the number 1 draft pick.

My pick wasn't Nash, so why are you debating between the two with me?

and about your comment about Kobe....James is the only reason Cleveland's in the playoffs and won 50 games...and if he would have taken as many shots as Kobe per game, his points per game would have been the same. What's your next arguement.

Kobe will never win an MVP, James will have a collection. He was also build one of the greatest dynastys in NBA history no matter where he plays. LeBron just turned 21 and has already put in 2 season better than any Kobe's put up.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

YOU CANNOT BE MORE WRONG

about what part? Dude you need to follow/know the game of basketball. You're making yourself look silly.

smashface · 04-26-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

I don't think that's racist at all. Most awards of that nature are subjective.

I think the fact that a black player hasn't won any notable individual awards in the NHL is more racist. /sarcasm

Sarcasm aside, didnt Grant Fuhr win something?

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

about what part? Dude you need to follow/know the game of basketball. You're making yourself look silly.

What has James done in this league......Please explain?

Odie · 04-26-2006, 09:45 AM

Nash allthe way.

I am a huge Lebron fan but you jsut can't take Nash out of the running.

faegan · 04-26-2006, 09:46 AM

Steve Nash deserves the award IMO.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Arizona paper reported it this morning, claiming anon sources.

You guys that come down on Kobe, you should watch him play a bit closer. He may not be well liked, however saying he isn't as good as Lebron or Nash is crazy. Even Lebron admitted that. Look at Lebron's mistakes yesterday. Kobe is a well polished prime time, post season player.

What was Kobe in game one? a solid 7 for 21...1 for 6 in 3's. You're right that's clutch. Watch LeBron's next game, he'll bounce back big time and you know Washington's thinking the same thing.

And having Butler make stupid gestures after the game is going to get him fired up even more. You can mark James down for 35-40 next game.

lazycash · 04-26-2006, 09:48 AM

I'm a huge Suns and Steve Nash fan, but I don't think he should be MVP. It always come back to how you interpret what the MVP means. Just judging on pure talent and skill, Kobe and Lebron definitely should win. I believe the MVP title originally was meant to award the "best" player for that particular year, but after being scrutinized year after year it has come to mean more, "which player made his team better while displaying a high level of skill".

Sure the Suns had a great year even without Amare and that's why Nash has been mentioned for MVP all year. However, anyone who followed the Suns all year would know that Marion was just as vital to their success as Nash. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/chea...2main0413.html

I'm not a big Kobe fan, but what he did this year was incredible and its hard for me to believe the Lakers would have won very many games without him. I think if Cleveland would have finished stronger, Lebron would have been the front runner. Oh well, you could make a case for all of them, just comes down to how you interpret the MVP award.

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I'm a huge Suns and Steve Nash fan, but I don't think he should be MVP. It always come back to how you interpret what the MVP means. Just judging on pure talent and skill, Kobe and Lebron definitely should win. I believe the MVP title originally was meant to award the "best" player for that particular year, but after being scrutinized year after year it has come to mean more, "which player made his team better while displaying a high level of skill".

Sure the Suns had a great year even without Amare and that's why Nash has been mentioned for MVP all year. However, anyone who followed the Suns all year would know that Marion was just as vital to their success as Nash. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/chea...2main0413.html

I'm not a big Kobe fan, but what he did this year was incredible and its hard for me to believe the Lakers would have won very many games without him. I think if Cleveland would have finished stronger, Lebron would have been the front runner. Oh well, you could make a case for all of them, just comes down to how you interpret the MVP award.

Thank You

loverboy · 04-26-2006, 09:50 AM

Nash and Kobe deserves to be among the Top choices

ronaldo · 04-26-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by smashface

Sarcasm aside, didnt Grant Fuhr win something?

Shit, good call. Totally forgot about Fuhr. He did win the Vezina trophy in 1988. Cries of racism surely followed.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

What was Kobe in game one? a solid 7 for 21...1 for 6 in 3's. You're right that's clutch. Watch LeBron's next game, he'll bounce back big time and you know Washington's thinking the same thing.

And having Butler make stupid gestures after the game is going to get him fired up even more. You can mark James down for 35-40 next game.

Do you know how many post-season games Bryant has?

Lets talk after tonight

Oh wait, you will have an excuse that he either: Shot too much even though he had a high percentage; shot too little to "prove a point;" or the game was rigged, the refs did him favors.

At some point, you just have to admit things...

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

What has James done in this league......Please explain?

I guess you don't follow the game at all. He has just about every record going as far as the youngest player to do this or to do that....and has lead his team to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years with 50 wins. It's not a question he had the best statistical game in the league this year.

- Rookie of the year at 18 (youngest ever)
- Youngest Player to score 50 points in a game
- More 30 point games as a teenager than all teenagers in NBA history combinded
- Younget player/2nd Youngest/3rd Youngest/4th Youngest to record a triple double.
- Youngest player to reach 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 points.
- Only one of 3 players in his rook year to go 20-5-5
- Followed that by going 27+,7+, 7+
- Allstar MVP this year...leading the East on a big comeback/win.
- This year he was 31+,7+,6+....Only 4 other players have done that.
- Triple double in his first playoff game...only 2 others did that before him.

This years stats....

Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per Game(31.4)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(6.6)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(1.56)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.5)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3361.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(875.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1823.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(379.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throws(601.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(814.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(481.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Assists(521.0)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals(123.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points(2478.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(12.5)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(26.04)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(8.58)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.63)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(35.4)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(260.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2323.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(29.41)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(33.18)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.29)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(3.71)

You want more? Cause There's never been a player in NBA history as great as him at his age...or have the impact he has had. FACT.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:56 AM

Banner Dept, even ESPN guys are changing their tune about Bryant. And they despised him for a while.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 09:57 AM

So Banner Dept, you are the GM for Golden State. You are going to choose Nash over Kobe to build your team around? And pay him the same amount?

Come on...

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

I guess you don't follow the game at all. He has just about every record going as far as the youngest player to do this or to do that....and has lead his team to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years with 50 wins. It's not a question he had the best statistical game in the league this year.

- Rookie of the year at 18 (youngest ever)
- Youngest Player to score 50 points in a game
- More 30 point games as a teenager than all teenagers in NBA history combinded
- Younget player/2nd Youngest/3rd Youngest/4th Youngest to record a triple double.
- Youngest player to reach 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 points.
- Only one of 3 players in his rook year to go 20-5-5
- Followed that by going 27+,7+, 7+
- Allstar MVP this year...leading the East on a big comeback/win.
- This year he was 31+,7+,6+....Only 4 other players have done that.
- Triple double in his first playoff game...only 2 others did that before him.

This years stats....

Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per Game(31.4)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(6.6)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(1.56)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.5)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3361.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(875.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1823.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts(379.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throws(601.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(814.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(481.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Assists(521.0)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals(123.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points(2478.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(12.5)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(26.04)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(8.58)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.63)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(35.4)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(260.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(2323.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(29.41)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(33.18)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(3.29)
Ranks #18 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(3.71)

You want more? Cause There's never been a player in NBA history as great as him at his age...or have the impact he has had. FACT.

Kobe Bryant resume- 3 championships

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

So Banner Dept, you are the GM for Golden State. You are going to choose Nash over Kobe to build your team around? And pay him the same amount?

Come on...

why do you keep asking me about Nash over Bryant...My pick was James for MVP. If I was building a team LeBron's the easy first choice. Then Nash...I want to build a team that's going to win...and players that know how to play with one another.

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 10:00 AM

Bannerdept I am betting you are from Cleveland

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

Kobe Bryant resume- 3 championships

Again, this is James 3rd season and just turned 21 a few months ago. Let's see how many Kobe wins over the rest of his career compared to James.

James will have a handful, it's not a question.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 10:03 AM

D$money will be here shortly to tell us that Lebron is better as well.

I love you Darren

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

Bannerdept I am betting you are from Cleveland

Nope. I just know what I'm talking about.

axelcat · 04-26-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

Again, this is James 3rd season and just turned 21 a few months ago. Let's see how many Kobe wins over the rest of his career compared to James.

James will have a handful, it's not a question.

Kobe's Career

Scored 81 points -- second All-Time in NBA History -- against Toronto on Jan. 22, 2006
Selected to the 2004-05 All-NBA Third Team after averaging 27.6 ppg, 6.0 apg
Selected to the 2003-04 All-Defensive First Team
Selected to the 2003-04 All-NBA First Team after averaging 24.0 ppg
Selected to the 2002-03 All-NBA First Team after averaging 30.0 ppg (second in NBA), 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg
Selected to the 2002-03 All-Defensive First Team
Became youngest player in NBA history to score 10,000 points, 3/5/03 vs. Indiana
A member of the 2002 Laker championship team averaging 26.6 ppg and 5.8 apg and in four games in the NBA Finals against the New Jersey Nets
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-NBA First Team after averaging 25.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 5.5 apg
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-Defensive Second Team
Was named MVP of the 2002 All-Star Game after tallying 31 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists
Western Conference starter in his fourth straight All-Star Game
A member of the 2001 Laker championship team averaging 24.6 ppg and 5.8 apg in five games in the NBA Finals against the Philadelphia 76ers
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-NBA Second Team
A member of the 2000 Laker championship team averaging 15.6 ppg and 4.6 apg in five games in the NBA Finals against the Indiana Pacers
Selected to the 1999-2000 All-NBA Second Team
Ranked 12th in the NBA in points per game (22.5) and 16th in the NBA in minutes per game (38.2)
Selected to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Defensive First Team and named to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Interview Second Team
Named the NBA Player of the Week for the week ending 4/16/00, averaging 29.7 points, 7.0 assists and 6.0 rebounds
Hit the game-winning bucket with 2.6 seconds remaining, lifting the Lakers to a 97-96 win over Phoenix on 5/10/00 in game 2 of the series
Posted a career-high 40 points to go along with 10 rebounds and 8 assists against the Sacramento Kings on 3/12/00
Netted 15 points as a starter in the 2000 NBA All-Star Game
Named to the 1998-99 All-NBA Third Team after leading the Lakers in steals (1.44 spg) and ranking 2nd on the team in scoring (19.9 ppg, 15th in the NBA) and free-throw percentage (.839, 20th)
Logged 9 double-doubles and led the Lakers in scoring in 11 games in 1999
Scored 33 of his career-high 38 points (15-24 FG) in the 2nd half, adding 4 assists and 3 rebounds, in a 113-104 victory over the Orlando Magic on 3/21/99
Posted 26 points and career-highs of 13 rebounds and 9 assists against the Denver Nuggets on 2/22/99
Totaled 17 points and 4 rebounds, in his only start of the 1997-98 season, against the Portland Trail Blazers on 2/10/98
Became the youngest All-Star in NBA history, posting a team-high 18 points and 6 rebounds, in the 1998 NBA All-Star Game in New York
Teamed with Lisa Leslie of the WNBA's L.A. Sparks in the inaugural Nestle Crunch All-Star 2ball during All-Star Saturday
@@Scored a career-high 33 points, hitting 3-of-5 three-pointers, and grabbed 3 rebounds against the Chicago Bulls on 12/17/97
Has appeared in 20 career NBA Playoff games, averaging 8.5 ppg in 17.7 mpg
Named to the 1996-97 NBA All-Rookie Second Team, averaging 7.6 ppg and 15.5 mpg in 71 games
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk during the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend in Cleveland and participated in the Schick Rookie Game, posting a rookie game-record 31 points and 8 rebounds
Made his first career start, scoring 12 points, against the Dallas Mavericks on 1/28/97
Made his NBA debut at the age of 18 years, 2 months and 11 days old, became the youngest player ever to appear in an NBA game, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 11/3/96
Selected by USA Today and Parade Magazine as the National High School Player of the Year as a senior at Lower Merion H.S.

Cory W · 04-26-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BannerDept

Again, this is James 3rd season and just turned 21 a few months ago. Let's see how many Kobe wins over the rest of his career compared to James.

James will have a handful, it's not a question.

Do you understand how many players come into pro sports and are said to be the second coming?

You are being rather presumptious. You are also assuming Bryants accomplishments are going to be a walk in the park for James.

Are you giving a superbowl ring to Jimmy Clausen as well? He is regarded as the best QB since Elway in the state of California.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 10:06 AM

Until someone better comes along someday, James will go down as the greatest player in NBA history when his career's over.

He's already the greatest 18-19-20-21 year old to ever play the game and that's not going to change with his age.

Sosa · 04-26-2006, 10:07 AM

I hope that is correct.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Do you understand how many players come into pro sports and are said to be the second coming?

You are being rather presumptious. You are also assuming Bryants accomplishments are going to be a walk in the park for James.

Are you giving a superbowl ring to Jimmy Clausen as well? He is regarded as the best QB since Elway in the state of California.

This is one of the stupidest comments yet in this thread...

do you realize that James has exceeded every expectation people have had of him. Kobe won because of Shaq. Once James gets another great teammate next to him...it will be a walk in the park.

BannerDept · 04-26-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by axelcat

Kobe's Career

Scored 81 points -- second All-Time in NBA History -- against Toronto on Jan. 22, 2006
Selected to the 2004-05 All-NBA Third Team after averaging 27.6 ppg, 6.0 apg
Selected to the 2003-04 All-Defensive First Team
Selected to the 2003-04 All-NBA First Team after averaging 24.0 ppg
Selected to the 2002-03 All-NBA First Team after averaging 30.0 ppg (second in NBA), 6.9 rpg, 5.9 apg
Selected to the 2002-03 All-Defensive First Team
Became youngest player in NBA history to score 10,000 points, 3/5/03 vs. Indiana
A member of the 2002 Laker championship team averaging 26.6 ppg and 5.8 apg and in four games in the NBA Finals against the New Jersey Nets
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-NBA First Team after averaging 25.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 5.5 apg
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-Defensive Second Team
Was named MVP of the 2002 All-Star Game after tallying 31 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists
Western Conference starter in his fourth straight All-Star Game
A member of the 2001 Laker championship team averaging 24.6 ppg and 5.8 apg in five games in the NBA Finals against the Philadelphia 76ers
Selected to the 2001-2002 All-NBA Second Team
A member of the 2000 Laker championship team averaging 15.6 ppg and 4.6 apg in five games in the NBA Finals against the Indiana Pacers
Selected to the 1999-2000 All-NBA Second Team
Ranked 12th in the NBA in points per game (22.5) and 16th in the NBA in minutes per game (38.2)
Selected to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Defensive First Team and named to the 1999-2000 NBA All-Interview Second Team
Named the NBA Player of the Week for the week ending 4/16/00, averaging 29.7 points, 7.0 assists and 6.0 rebounds
Hit the game-winning bucket with 2.6 seconds remaining, lifting the Lakers to a 97-96 win over Phoenix on 5/10/00 in game 2 of the series
Posted a career-high 40 points to go along with 10 rebounds and 8 assists against the Sacramento Kings on 3/12/00
Netted 15 points as a starter in the 2000 NBA All-Star Game
Named to the 1998-99 All-NBA Third Team after leading the Lakers in steals (1.44 spg) and ranking 2nd on the team in scoring (19.9 ppg, 15th in the NBA) and free-throw percentage (.839, 20th)
Logged 9 double-doubles and led the Lakers in scoring in 11 games in 1999
Scored 33 of his career-high 38 points (15-24 FG) in the 2nd half, adding 4 assists and 3 rebounds, in a 113-104 victory over the Orlando Magic on 3/21/99
Posted 26 points and career-highs of 13 rebounds and 9 assists against the Denver Nuggets on 2/22/99
Totaled 17 points and 4 rebounds, in his only start of the 1997-98 season, against the Portland Trail Blazers on 2/10/98
Became the youngest All-Star in NBA history, posting a team-high 18 points and 6 rebounds, in the 1998 NBA All-Star Game in New York
Teamed with Lisa Leslie of the WNBA's L.A. Sparks in the inaugural Nestle Crunch All-Star 2ball during All-Star Saturday
@@Scored a career-high 33 points, hitting 3-of-5 three-pointers, and grabbed 3 rebounds against the Chicago Bulls on 12/17/97
Has appeared in 20 career NBA Playoff games, averaging 8.5 ppg in 17.7 mpg
Named to the 1996-97 NBA All-Rookie Second Team, averaging 7.6 ppg and 15.5 mpg in 71 games
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk during the 1997 NBA All-Star Weekend in Cleveland and participated in the Schick Rookie Game, posting a rookie game-record 31 points and 8 rebounds
Made his first career start, scoring 12 points, against the Dallas Mavericks on 1/28/97
Made his NBA debut at the age of 18 years, 2 months and 11 days old, became the youngest player ever to appear in an NBA game, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 11/3/96
Selected by USA Today and Parade Magazine as the National High School Player of the Year as a senior at Lower Merion H.S.

Keep trying...lol. James is 21, Kobe's 27...James has a better statistical game and is a better team player. End of story.

04-26-2006, 09:27 AM	#11
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	Arizona paper reported it this morning, claiming anon sources. You guys that come down on Kobe, you should watch him play a bit closer. He may not be well liked, however saying he isn't as good as Lebron or Nash is crazy. Even Lebron admitted that. Look at Lebron's mistakes yesterday. Kobe is a well polished prime time, post season player. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

04-26-2006, 09:28 AM	#13
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	Ya for the Canadian boy!!! __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

04-26-2006, 09:45 AM	#28
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	Nash allthe way. I am a huge Lebron fan but you jsut can't take Nash out of the running. __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

04-26-2006, 09:56 AM	#37
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	Banner Dept, even ESPN guys are changing their tune about Bryant. And they despised him for a while. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

04-26-2006, 09:57 AM	#38
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	So Banner Dept, you are the GM for Golden State. You are going to choose Nash over Kobe to build your team around? And pay him the same amount? Come on... __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

04-26-2006, 08:37 AM	#1
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	Sources say Steve Nash edged out Kobe and Lebron for MVP. 1) Nash 2) Lebron 3) Bryant You think the racism argument will arise again? Nash is a true point guard, very deserving if the story turns out to be true. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

04-26-2006, 09:16 AM	#2
BannerDept Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 511	racism lol. some people need better things to do with their time. btw...who/where's this source? __________________ ICQ: 106-293 Summer Design Specials! Last edited by BannerDept; 04-26-2006 at 09:17 AM..

04-26-2006, 09:18 AM	#3
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	racist!!!!! __________________ Sig heil

04-26-2006, 09:18 AM	#4
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	I think Kobe got robbed, I am sick of the NBA the guy scores 81 points in a game wow. Not to mention the fact that nash has better teamates around him. Thats bullcrap.

04-26-2006, 09:22 AM	#5
The Truth Hurts Zph7YXfjMhg Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In Your Skull Posts: 15,308	racism? isn't Nash the first white guy to win it since Larry Bird 20 years ago?

04-26-2006, 09:23 AM	#6
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	I don't think that's racist at all. Most awards of that nature are subjective. I think the fact that a black player hasn't won any notable individual awards in the NHL is more racist. /sarcasm

04-26-2006, 09:29 AM	#15
Downtime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: America. Posts: 7,320	yeah i think he deserves it too __________________ #27024067

04-26-2006, 09:35 AM	#19
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Nash has phenomenol game

04-26-2006, 09:46 AM	#29
faegan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 74	Steve Nash deserves the award IMO.

04-26-2006, 09:48 AM	#31
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	I'm a huge Suns and Steve Nash fan, but I don't think he should be MVP. It always come back to how you interpret what the MVP means. Just judging on pure talent and skill, Kobe and Lebron definitely should win. I believe the MVP title originally was meant to award the "best" player for that particular year, but after being scrutinized year after year it has come to mean more, "which player made his team better while displaying a high level of skill". Sure the Suns had a great year even without Amare and that's why Nash has been mentioned for MVP all year. However, anyone who followed the Suns all year would know that Marion was just as vital to their success as Nash. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/chea...2main0413.html I'm not a big Kobe fan, but what he did this year was incredible and its hard for me to believe the Lakers would have won very many games without him. I think if Cleveland would have finished stronger, Lebron would have been the front runner. Oh well, you could make a case for all of them, just comes down to how you interpret the MVP award.

04-26-2006, 09:50 AM	#33
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	Nash and Kobe deserves to be among the Top choices

04-26-2006, 10:00 AM	#41
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	Bannerdept I am betting you are from Cleveland

04-26-2006, 10:03 AM	#43
Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	D$money will be here shortly to tell us that Lebron is better as well. I love you Darren __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

04-26-2006, 10:06 AM	#47
BannerDept Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 511	Until someone better comes along someday, James will go down as the greatest player in NBA history when his career's over. He's already the greatest 18-19-20-21 year old to ever play the game and that's not going to change with his age. __________________ ICQ: 106-293 Summer Design Specials!

04-26-2006, 10:07 AM	#48
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I hope that is correct.