A message to all anit-immigration simpletons

[escorpio]

Educate yourselves about why this is happening.

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proje...r/nogales.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...ales02-09.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...otos02-09.html

[GatorB]

You're an idiot. Anda hater. And a racist. And anti-American. Go live in Mexico if you love it so, HYPOCRITE.

[Phoenix]

i am leaning more against immigration everyday

we are being bred out

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i am leaning more against immigration everyday

we are being bred out

Bred out?

[DWB]

This is a simple issue. Americans can not just go an become instant residents in another country. At best we can get a visa but often it is limited to X amount of days per year we can even stay in some places.

Why should this be any different for the Mexicans? If you are not legal, you are ILLEGAL and should not be allowed to stay.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Bred out?

yes here..the average CDn family has 1.2 kids

immigrant families are having 4-5 kids

wash them around for two generations and what do you have left?

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You're an idiot. Anda hater. And a racist. And anti-American. Go live in Mexico if you love it so, HYPOCRITE.

I will.

I know you didn't read the articles. Too many words and not enough pictures. Better stick to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. They keep shit simple and biased so people like you don't have to think.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

This is a simple issue. Americans can not just go an become instant residents in another country. At best we can get a visa but often it is limited to X amount of days per year we can even stay in some places.

Why should this be any different for the Mexicans? If you are not legal, you are ILLEGAL and should not be allowed to stay.

Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

yes here..the average CDn family has 1.2 kids

immigrant families are having 4-5 kids

wash them around for two generations and what do you have left?

So it's a gene pool issue with you?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by escorpio

So it's a gene pool issue with you?

no as i am mixing myself..my wife is korean

it is a belief issue

i think Canada should be more of a melting pot
do it the way we are...or dont bother coming here

it started with allowing people to join the RCMP and change the dress code

that was the day i started worrying about where our country is headed

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

Why make it easier? If they can't not be bothered to follow the rules on getting into the country what other rules won't they be bothered with? I have no problem if somebody wants to come here in the right way and make an honest living for themselves though.

[onlymovies]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

ok, but.........why??

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by xclusive

Why make it easier?

Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

ok, but.........why??

Because where you have economic disparity to this degree unregulated immigration will happen. The system is complicated and expensive. As long as it's easier to hop the fence and take your chances that's what people will do.

[Doctor Dre]

I'm not agaisn't immigration, but we should be monitoring the shit out of the immigrants, and they should have a chip so we can locate them at anytime.

They got a different culture then ours, and when they try to bring their violent / criminal culture, that causes big big problems.

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

Actually it will just make it worse, Those people plus all the ones coming over here illegally. Something has to be done about the situation for sure though.

[BlackCrayon]

free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?

free trade is evil


you are right....all our politicians have been corrupt lately

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Because it's going to happen. If you want to control it, you have to make it easier for workers to enter the country legally.

Well rape and murder are going to happen so why have laws on those things?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

free trade fucked everyone. those factories were once in the US or canada. shit, out of 12 factories in my hometown 15 years ago only 2 are left. all went to us/mexico/china. anyways, if everyone who wanted to come to the states was allowed to, it would only create the same problem the mexican people are facing. how does that help anything?

Yes US companies have closed down and moved to MEXCIO. So why are they coming here? The jobs are down there.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Right. The idea is to make "legal" easier.

Fine. But first do it the LEGAL way. Making it easier does not mean just cross the border and you are instant American, which is what you are basically proposing. Because anything kind of regulation of immigration is met by "You're a moron" by you.

[spanky part 2]

It's a simple solution really. All the mexicans wanna live here, we could use some more ocean front property.

Let's just annex mexico!!!

That way we don't have to go thru thru the problems of immigration, and the oil companies can rape and pillage the resources that are available down there.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I'm not agaisn't immigration, but we should be monitoring the shit out of the immigrants, and they should have a chip so we can locate them at anytime.

They got a different culture then ours, and when they try to bring their violent / criminal culture, that causes big big problems.

"Violent/ criminal culture"? WTF? The U.S. has one of the most violent and criminal cultures on the planet.

Ask any Canadian.

Or Micheal Moore.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes US companies have closed down and moved to MEXCIO. So why are they coming here? The jobs are down there.

Read!

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/proje...r/nogales.html

http://www.mennoweekly.org/FEB/02-09...ales02-09.html

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Well rape and murder are going to happen so why have laws on those things?

...and you wonder why I call you a "simpleton."

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

It's a simple solution really. All the mexicans wanna live here, we could use some more ocean front property.

Let's just annex mexico!!!

That way we don't have to go thru thru the problems of immigration, and the oil companies can rape and pillage the resources that are available down there.

That will probably happen eventually, though not in our lifetime.

[minusonebit]

I am not anti-immigrant; I am all for people who want to enter the country legally. My family came over from Spain many years ago. My relatives did it legally. That meant learning English and being a part of the culture. They didn?t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other. Legal immigrants who enter through the proper channels by and large do come here to make society a better place.

Illegal immigrants do not come here to make this country a better place or to contribute to our society. They come here to suck up our resources, housing, handout programs, food and jobs and they ship the fruits of their labor back across the border. Illegal immigrants do not get immunized properly before crossing, this means that they bring disease and sickness with them.

And to fuck with their sad stories. I've got a few of those myself and they don?t entitle me to break the law to fill my needs, wants or desires. I cant just march into Canada or China or Russia or any other country and declare myself a citizen. Why should other people be able to do the same here?

Don?t post a link to a liberal California college and two to a newspaper for religious fruitcakes and tell me that?s why I should let it happen. The liberals have gotten this country into a huge fucking mess with their preaching tolerance and peace and unity bullshit its incredible. And the GOP is equally responsible for the mess because they keep wanting to spend every dime they can get a hold of.

So if you think that they should be allowed to come in here and do whatever they want and we should sit back and let them, well then fuck you because you are not an American and you are the one who doesn?t deserve to be here anymore.

[Mr Dickovitch]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-18-18-08-31

Read about how your wonderful country "Mexico" treats its illegal aliens.


Talk about hypocrits. If people in Mexico started marching and raising flags from Guatamala you'd execute them. Your country is a piece of shit.

[psili]

This is how I see it:

If a person illegally enters my house, depending on what they're doing / how their acting, I'm either going to kick them out or shoot them. I don't give a shit where you came from, only that you entered my residence without permission.

I see it no different with a country's borders.

If those trying to enter the country are currently starving, destitute and have no hope of a future; that sucks, but such is life. There's plenty of people in my country starving, destitute, poor, stupid who should be helped first.

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With that aside, the US is pretty fucked. Unless someone puts some sterilization juice to the water systems, the Mexicans will procreate any other group out of existence.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

I am not anti-immigrant; I am all for people who want to enter the country legally. My family came over from Spain many years ago. My relatives did it legally. That meant learning English and being a part of the culture. They didn?t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other. Legal immigrants who enter through the proper channels by and large do come here to make society a better place.

Illegal immigrants do not come here to make this country a better place or to contribute to our society. They come here to suck up our resources, housing, handout programs, food and jobs and they ship the fruits of their labor back across the border. Illegal immigrants do not get immunized properly before crossing, this means that they bring disease and sickness with them.

And to fuck with their sad stories. I've got a few of those myself and they don?t entitle me to break the law to fill my needs, wants or desires. I cant just march into Canada or China or Russia or any other country and declare myself a citizen. Why should other people be able to do the same here?

Don?t post a link to a liberal California college and two to a newspaper for religious fruitcakes and tell me that?s why I should let it happen. The liberals have gotten this country into a huge fucking mess with their preaching tolerance and peace and unity bullshit its incredible. And the GOP is equally responsible for the mess because they keep wanting to spend every dime they can get a hold of.

So if you think that they should be allowed to come in here and do whatever they want and we should sit back and let them, well then fuck you because you are not an American and you are the one who doesn?t deserve to be here anymore.

I am all for people coming here legally. I am for changing the system that makes this difficult to impossible for impoverished people.

I AM an American and deserve to be here just as much as you. I'm sure you'd love to cleanse "your" country. Fucking Nazi.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...04-18-18-08-31

Read about how your wonderful country "Mexico" treats its illegal aliens.


Talk about hypocrits. If people in Mexico started marching and raising flags from Guatamala you'd execute them. Your country is a piece of shit.

The mistreatment is perpetrated by rogue police and soldiers. Corrupt law enforcement is a sad fact of Mexico.

No illegal would be "shot" as a matter of policy for flying a Guatemalan flag. They would be deported, just like illegal Guatemalans are deported form the U.S.

Mexico is not my country. I was born in the U.S.A.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by psili

If those trying to enter the country are currently starving, destitute and have no hope of a future; that sucks, but such is life.

If it was your life would that still be your attitude?

[onlymovies]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Because where you have economic disparity to this degree unregulated immigration will happen. The system is complicated and expensive. As long as it's easier to hop the fence and take your chances that's what people will do.

Ofcourse and I agree. It's the basic human need to seek a better life. But for the sake of sounding heartless for this discussion, why is their 'economic disparity' our problem? Why is it our responsibility?

[Warning Pages]

The immagration issue is a tough one for me,and people or families like mine. I am a U.S. citizen, so is the rest of my family. My dad came to this country illeagaly from Dominican Republic back in the 60's he worked his ass off to provide better for me and the rest of my family. He eventualy became a american citizen himself through legal channels, when he didn't need too since all of his children were american citizens. So theres a few problems here.


Yes we do need to control immagration(that's just obvious) but everyone who is an american citizen came from an illeagal immagrant(somewhere down the line) how can we improve the situations for those good hard working one's. And penalize the (shit) that either is here already,or are trying to come over.

Then we have the whole"race" issue. I'm latin, and a american citizen,also I'm not mexican. I'm sure after this whole immagration fiasco I will probably get treated a little different by the american society as whole, but I don't care I can defend myself what will happen to those who can't.

Lastly when ever you want to get to the root of any situation, follow the money. Would america or americans put up with illegals if they were taxed at a higher rate(pending on there legal status) higher rate for an illegal, lower rate for a legal resident so on so fourth?

Immagation will never stop!!! The question is how to control it. I don't have the answers, alot of us don't as good as our opinions maybe. The question at the end of the day is how can we filter the"shity one's" and keep them from comming in, and helping the good one's.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

Ofcourse and I agree. It's the basic human need to seek a better life. But for the sake of sounding heartless for this discussion, why is their 'economic disparity' our problem? Why is it our responsibility?

It's our problem because for as long as it exists you will have illegal immigration. NAFTA fucked Mexico good and now we're feeling the effects.

[psili]

Originally Posted by escorpio

If it was your life would that still be your attitude?

Because I can't honestly answer that, having never experienced it before, I have the opinions I currently have; and I have some pretty fucked up opinions in regard to the human race.

So while I can understand some reasons for coming to another country illegally, I currently neither condone them nor think they should be tolerated.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Warning Pages

Immagation will never stop!!! The question is how to control it. I don't have the answers, alot of us don't as good as our opinions maybe. The question at the end of the day is how can we filter the"shity one's" and keep them from comming in, and helping the good one's.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by escorpio

I will.

I know you didn't read the articles. Too many words and not enough pictures. Better stick to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. They keep shit simple and biased so people like you don't have to think.

just because life sucks in a border town that has no purpose or economy in the first place other than smuggling shit across the border... doesn't mean people are entitled to jump the border and become instant residents in another country. last i checked.. mexico has cities to the south as well... its not like going north is their only option. fucking retard.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by psili

Because I can't honestly answer that, having never experienced it before, I have the opinions I currently have; and I have some pretty fucked up opinions in regard to the human race.

So while I can understand some reasons for coming to another country illegally, I currently neither condone them nor think they should be tolerated.

You don't have to experience it to have compassion. Why don't you come to Nogales, I'll take you to a poor colonia and you can tell a mother that lives in a fucking shack with no running water, "Tough shit, I got mine. That's the way life goes."

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Warning Pages

Yes we do need to control immagration(that's just obvious) but everyone who is an american citizen came from an illeagal immagrant(somewhere down the line) how can we improve the situations for those good hard working one's. And penalize the (shit) that either is here already,or are trying to come over.

holy shit. apparently people play more baseball in the dominican republic than they study in school.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

just because life sucks in a border town that has no purpose or economy in the first place other than smuggling shit across the border... doesn't mean people are entitled to jump the border and become instant residents in another country. last i checked.. mexico has cities to the south as well... its not like going north is their only option. fucking retard.

You're the fucking retard. No purpose or economy but smuggling? Shows how little you know.

Cities to the south with jobs? You're beyond retarded.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by escorpio

You don't have to experience it to have compassion. Why don't you come to Nogales, I'll take you to a poor colonia and you can tell a mother that lives in a fucking shack with no running water, "Tough shit, I got mine. That's the way life goes."

i'm sure there are plenty of people in places like africa for example who would switch with her in a heartbeat. not that it justifies anything but the mexican people are victims of their own government. NAFTA didn't just fuck mexico. a lot of US and canadian jobs are there now. mexico needs better labour laws.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i'm sure there are plenty of people in places like africa for example who would switch with her in a heartbeat. not that it justifies anything but the mexican people are victims of their own government. NAFTA didn't just fuck mexico. a lot of US and canadian jobs are there now. mexico needs better labour laws.

Yes, they are victims of their own government. I care about people more than governments.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by escorpio

You're the fucking retard. No purpose or economy but smuggling? Shows how little you know.

Cities to the south with jobs? You're beyond retarded.

you're right. mexico in its entirety exists on the US border. there is no economy in mexico at all. no employment nationwide. no possibility to make a living anywhere in the country. its one big country full of people just sitting on their asses and doing nothing waiting for americans to feed them. i guess that is what you are saying?

i am going to pass your logic to the good citizens of kentucky and let them know that their only option to improve their lives is to illegally immigrate to great britian. once we empty out kentucky, hopefully arkansas will follow.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by escorpio

Yes, they are victims of their own government. I care about people more than governments.

of course but leaving the country is just a putting a band-aid on the problem. what about all the people who will never be able to come to america, regardless of what changes might happen to immigration laws? don't you care about them? the country? if poverty and economic despair was a reason to claim refugee status, america would be fucked. mexico isn't the only country facing such problems.

[gentmaster]

Aren't Illegal immigrants DNR in the emergency room?

[onlymovies]

Originally Posted by escorpio

It's our problem because for as long as it exists you will have illegal immigration.

My question wasn't 'why' we have an illegal immigration problem, that answer is obvious as you just stated. Forget immigration for a second.

My question was, is the people of mexico's well being our responsibility...while they are in their homeland?

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you're right. mexico in its entirety exists on the US border. there is no economy in mexico at all. no employment nationwide. no possibility to make a living anywhere in the country. its one big country full of people just sitting on their asses and doing nothing waiting for americans to feed them. i guess that is what you are saying?

i am going to pass your logic to the good citizens of kentucky and let them know that their only option to improve their lives is to illegally immigrate to great britian. once we empty out kentucky, hopefully arkansas will follow.

Yes, there are jobs in other parts of Mexico. Unfortunately they are already taken and not available to a displaced campesino.

So you're under the impression that there a plentiful jobs in Mexico, no poverty in the south and people immigrate just for fun? Is that what you're saying?

BTW life in a border town is great, if you have money.

[Warning Pages]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

holy shit. apparently people play more baseball in the dominican republic than they study in school.

Well baseball is the national sport and people play it passionaly down there.(true) but most of the baseball players that are in the U.S. come from very poor or impovirished areas aka"the hood" and that's there way out of poverty.
That doesn't speak for the country as a whole I have a house in santiago it's closer to the northern coast that i love to go vaction to. It's a beautiful country but the country's government is so fucked I see why people risk their lives by jumping in a makeshift boat and taking their chances out at sea!!

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

My question wasn't 'why' we have an illegal immigration problem, that answer is obvious as you just stated. Forget immigration for a second.

My question was, is the people of mexico's well being our responsibility...while they are in their homeland?

Their well being is not our "responsibility" per se but I feel that the wealth of this country should be shared by allowing people in an impoverished neighboring country the opportunity to work, bettering their lives, families and homeland in the process.