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dude... my point is simply that like EVERY country on the planet, they have a free market economy and the possibility to work and make money at home and live. i can understand the hardships there, low paying work etc. HOWEVER, thats not a good enough reason to unilaterally demand full US citizenship and rights as a US citizen. the problem is not in the US... the problem is in that same fucked up, backwards assed, corrupt country that has not been able to get its shit together for well over a century. if people there don't like it.. then their priority should be to change it. not to change the US.

escorpio

Changing a government takes time, and it's slowly happening in Mexico. When you're hungry you have more pressing concerns than the next election.

People just want the right to work. Stop worrying that everybody wants to be a citizen. And even if they did, so what? This country was built on immigration. Who are you to close the books now that you've got yours. Is that the principles this country was founded on?

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the country was built on immigration WHEN the country was being built. the influx of people was necessary. thats a lame and irrelevent argument in 2006 with a country of almost 300,000,000 people that is getting tiresome. most countries were built on immigration. do you think canada wasn't? should a bunch of kentucky inbreeders go to canada now and demand their citizenship because canada was built on immigration? should every poor person in the US demand canadian citizenship because "they got theirs" as you just argued?

aHosting

Let's put the illegal's to a side. What about the legal immigrants that are filing and waiting for the cases or files? It's not fair at all. The legal immigrants at least try to apply. Legal Immigrants have limits on jobs, they cannot be hired for what a U.S. Citizen is doing. When an employer hires a legal immigrant [pending] they pay more taxes and all. U.S. Citizen and Legal Immigrant can deal with this but the Illegal's take all the jobs from us.
The ones that enter the U.S. illegally can get the hell out of here. If they entered at least with a Legal Entry, there is big difference. They can apply and wait for their turns to have a work permit, greencard etc, like all the others.
If I was the head of Homeland Security. When those groups gather together, I would bust them and send them back to their homes.
Its not fair for most of legal immigrants that are still waiting for their working permits and interviews... If Bush grands the illegals to stay and work, then he better resign.. just do not want to know what will happen. I have about 20 employees and 4 immigrants. All work great! From 10 people that apply for a job 9 are illegal and 1 is legal...

What is going on?!?

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escorpio

The country is still being built. It will always be in a constant state of flux. History is always being made.

Who are you to say "we're built now. Sorry, you can't take your shot at the American Dream?"

The U.S. is not an impoverished nation so I'm no sure what you're "immigrate to Canada" argument is about. Do a lot of poor Americans try to immigrate to Canada to work and better their lives and get refused? Is this a phenomenon I'm not aware of?

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escorpio

One more time for the kids in the back...

Legal immigration in it's present state takes much time and much money. When you are living in desperate poverty these are things you don't have.

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Pleasurepays

they can do anything they want to do as long as its within the law. getting away with breaking the law does not make one entitled to anything.

Gracie

All this talk about anit-immigrantion this and that makes me sick! What ever happened to just being a human being instead of labeling eachother.

I can speak about this topic because I am from Mexican Decent and my parents came here illegally just like most of the fucks in this country did... if not by well, against their own will.

History people!

My parents busted their asses to get us where we are at today and that's the fuel that drives me here in this country each and every day. Because I have the opportunities they didn't. They even met eachother here in America. And I've heard it all. I've heard their horror stories. My father almost died in the desert. My mother was deported several times, and almost died in the fields of California picking grapes on a super hot day of exhaustion and being dehydrated. The point is... they never gave up. They wanted a better life for themselves.

Trust me, I see plenty of illegals here just trying to make a better life for themselves.I definately drop prayers in almost ever street corner here in LA on a daily. I think its bullshit that people say.. oh mexico is a piece of shit.. oh they have nothing better to do than smuggle drugs when you fucks are the ones consuming them... SECOND.... please excuse me I don't ever post when it comes to this kind of shit because I've had to deal with people like this my entire life.. I have to be better than you if not smarter than you to kill the "stereotype".. but that's alright that makes me more educated.. we are not stupid.. uneducated Mexicans... ridiculous...yet we can do just about anything AND we serve you daily....and that's right I am LEGAL!... than to say oh they don't pay taxes...that's a bunch of bullshit too because most of them too. Don't ask me how they do.. but they do. My parents did than and they do now.

You want to talk about.. food stamps all that bullshit.. don't even get me started on that because the majority that is on welfare is white or black. I won't get into name calling I had enough growing up..I can honestly say it has effected me I still have my moments but prevailed... I don't tolerate it nor do I even scoop to that level of name calling based on race.

That's LAME! AND IGNORANT. What are you afraid of?

THIRDLY... lol.... it's funny how the same people that say all this shit about Mexico are the ones who come to that country and act like fucking idoits, WHORES!! that's right I said it... and litter. You sure as hell wouldn't do it here now would you? You aren't doing anything to fix the problem either!!

I could go on and on about this but honestly I have a job to work. I even took this small break to address this because I felt I had to. I've dealt with this my whole life. It's really old. Some people are heartless. You can't fix everyone. And I'm just a beaner, right?

So just like you voiced your opinion I voiced mine. Don't even think of picking at me because I refrained from pulling some of you out and addressing you directly. WHY?

Because I have dignity and I have respect.. not just for all of you as an individual but to mankind... the HUMAN RACE.

This is God's country not billy bobs.. etc. My good ness! Look around you there are all kinds of different colors, cultures, around you. This immigration law effects everyone to koreans, indians, iraqis etc.. it's just easier to point the fingers at Mexicans because we are everywhere AND your next door neighbor.

Yes I do believe there should be rules just like any other country has them but those "illegals" who are PEOPLE ..should be granted citizenship if they've been here for so many years and so forth. I know they are working on some structure.. and from here on out.. you should have to have the proper paperwork to get in. Temporary visas, whatever. But you can't kick the "Mexicans" out or any other person who contributes to this society we live in and has for YEARS.

And for the record... since people talk about people walking around holding mexican flags etc... its not about the country (go back than! bruhaha ) it's about A CULTURE.
We love where we came from. Do you?

As for denying people medical help.. that's just common sense. What would Jesus do????

Selfish.

Doesn't matter whether they are Persian, Mexican, Carribean, Spanish, Italian, whatever!

Have you ever heard of the bible? ........Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule, etc.......seriously....Compassion, got some?

Go watch the movie, A Day without a Mexican. Educate yourself, I dare you.

**Escorpio.. I will say this to you...don't even bother posting these threads.. there is so much one can do to educate others and it's not on THIS board babe.. go to another one...or blog about it.. do myspace.. whatever.. I personally don't like coming into my office and reading this nonsense, how insulting. It's like we are worse than animals....no valemes nada....theres absolutely no compassion most people just want to see the surface yet it goes deeper than that...they are people..we are all people..you are always going to run into the "what can you do for me" attitudes...this really is NOT the board for this kind of stuff... because although somethings have changed. Some will never change.

Again this is MY opinion. I let you voice yours so let me voice mine.

Have a GREAT Day!!!

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escorpio

Some laws need to be changed. That's my point.

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escorpio

Fantastic. Absolutely beautiful.

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Kre8t0r

I seem to remember posting this.... Maybe you need a re-read.

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."


How many foreign flags do you see hanging off of car mirrors?? The ESOL classes are pretty empty here... Do it right or get the fuck out like you would have to in ANY other country! Teddy knew this 100 years ago!!

Halcyon

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I hear all these people saying, "If you can't speak American, then get the hell out of the country!"

Hmm...you don't *sound* Navajo..."




p.s. great post Gracie!

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escorpio

Already read it. Don't agree with it.

What the fuck is a 100 year old xenophobic speech supposed to prove?

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Kre8t0r

You must have missed the new footer I added just for you... I know this is useless now as you feel people coming to this country have the right to DEMAND what ever they want...

I guess Spanish classes should be free now too just like the ESOL program but I don't see that happening. So I get to TRY to communicate with my neighbor down the road by sign language or pony up the cash to learn a language I don't WANT to learn... Did I miss the memo that we are now a 3rd world country??? Get a small clue pls.

Sorry Hal but the Indian card doesn't apply here we have a national language and Navajo wasn't the winner. No offence man I have Indian blood myself but I am an AMERICAN.

As far as the 100 year old speech it applies as well now as it did then, Plain and Simple! One Flag! One Language! No Divided Allegiance!!

Pretty simple huh??

escorpio

Why so much fuss over Spanish? Does it really intimidate and upset you that much? It's good to learn a second language. Lots of people in Europe speak twp or three.


Tell me more about your Indian heritage. How did your people feel about those illegals from England and Spain pushing their language on them?

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jmk

We are all 'illegal' immigrants in this country ... or do I have to remind you who were the 'real Americans' ?

GigoloMason

Actually it's a well established sociological fact that immigrant populations have significantly higher crime rates, espeically once they start having children in the country. The culture clash leads to a lot of deviant behavour.

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Bill Clinton

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Took a "chill out dude" policy to ilegal immigration.

George Bush....

Do I really need to say anything about the state of the Union.

And he takes a "Hate anything that isn't american born, bred, and true" policy.

Conclusion:
Imigrants bring money and prosperity to an economy.

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PS: I find it somewhat ironic that going the other way an american couldn't even legally own land in mexico amoung any number of other things.

We have no rights there but for some reason they expect rights here? Either way how many of the illegals really even want to stay here and be naturalized, many of them are migrants who end up back in mexico after they've worked for a season. I'm all for immigration, but this unregulated border hopping is just ridiculous.

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GigoloMason

Yes, this country was built on legal immigration. Since when were the books closed?

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escorpio

Americans can own land in Mexico.

What rights are you talking about? Americans have rights in Mexico.

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escorpio

Since 1921 when the Emergency Quota Act was imposed. The process has gotten much more difficult since the "built this country" era.

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Lane

Since when was this about being "for" or "against" immigration? That's so ignorant.

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GigoloMason

I think you need a legal review about mexican legal policies. We can temporarilly lease land fro mteh government in 25 year increments, to be siezed at will, but we can never actually own it.

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seven

Think you are getting very confused between legal immigrants and non-immigrants on H2 work-visa there bud. Legal immigrants have no such barriers and cannot be discriminated in any fashion you are stating.. they are pretty much citizens without few additional privileges of a citizen that they do not hold an u.s. passport, they cannot stay outside of USA for more than 6 months at a time, they have to be living in the usa for atleast certain number of days without commiting any crimes before they are eligible to apply for a citizenship and that they are not allowed to vote in federal elections that's all.

Work-visa= they cannot be hired for what a U.S. Citizen is doing. When an employer hires a non-immigrant worker [pending] the non-immigrant pays more taxes and all. And work-visa expires in 3 years unless renewed and can be renewed for maximum 1 time then the non-immigrant has to leave the country unless his employer successfully pursues an u.s. immigrant status for him. work-visa= what Bush's been proposing for mexicans

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GigoloMason

Oh yea we wouldn't want to impose any undue burdens on people make us jump through just as many hoops to come to their county. God it's gotten to the point where Mexicans expect to be treated like Americans regardless of the fact that... oh I don't know... they aren't Americans? At least a mexican could own land here if he cared to, we can't even do that in your country as an outsider.

Like the nationalist system established world-wide or not everyone else in the world has to deal with it too, why do you think that mexicans should be exempt for some reason?


Honestly the bottom line is if you try to help everyone you end up hurting everyone in the end. Personally I'd rather look after my own.

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escorpio

I've never heard of this. As far as I know foreigners are only prohibited form directly owning beachfront or border property. Could you point me to a link?

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escorpio

Coming to Mexico is easy. WTF are you talking about?

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Peaches

What's sad is that the legal immigrants are being nailed too. There was an article in the paper about a guy who was a legal Mexican immigrant who made $850 a month. His family qualified for government assistance. But because his employer was putting 9 other illegals on this guy's SS#, it looked like he was making $8500 a month and therefore didn't qualify for what he legally should have qualified for.

If they start going after the companies hiring illegals, THEN you'll see the problem right itself. Take the cheese away and the mice will also leave.

seven

Talking bout his ass again I'd guess lol.

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Hi peaches Rick has told me alot of good things about you!!!!!!
I posted this in the first page "Lastly when ever you want to get to the root of any situation, follow the money. Would america or americans put up with illegals if they were taxed at a higher rate(pending on there legal status) higher rate for an illegal, lower rate for a legal resident so on so fourth?"

And I would like to add if you started taxing the money going out of the U.S. "witch at the moment is like 200 billion dollars a year being sent to mexico alone" by taxing the illeagals at the "western unoin's" if they cannot provide leagal paper work & tax them higher if they are caught going through airports, borders with money on them!

it's just an opinion!

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Linguist

Viva la Mexico! We're coming down, don't give a fuck about your laws, and you can't stop us, amigos! In 20 years we'll have enough babies to make lower states Spanish, our blood is strong and you are too naive and overfed with hippy ideals to do anything about it.

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I'll second that because I know exactly what he is talking about with the RCMP.

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BlackCrayon

i think a lot of people take this issue too personally. my main viewpoint is if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now. in a perfect world 'the golden rule' and the 'american dream' would work all the time but its not and it doesn't. the american dream becomes more of a hoax every year. a good percentage either end up homeless or right back where they came from, angry and disillusioned. who could blame them. if i was in the situation they were, i'd do whatever it takes to make my life better too.

i had a friend who lived in mexico, they weren't rich but they had computers, the internet, PS2, ect. the pictures he sent of his hometown looked better than most american cities, beautiful really. they had more than those who live below the poverty line in north america. so it is possible to live a decent life there.

instead of getting angry at the people who only want to protect their way of life, get angry at the governments who exploit their own people, the US companies who expliot the mexican people (amoung many others). the US government who knowingly supports it. we're all just caught in the middle of big business doing what it does best, making a profit by whatever means necessary.

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That's a fucking fantastic outlook there, bro. Good for you.

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my main viewpoint is if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now. in a perfect world 'the golden rule' and the 'american dream' would work all the time but its not and it doesn't. the american dream becomes more of a hoax every year.

Perfect description of the problem. Unregulated immigration might work for a while but in the end it is just going to make everyone poor.

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Drake

Very good points.

escorpio

That's what I thought. Dumbass.

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stickyfingerz

Anyone else notice many people are just on the opposite side of the issue because Bush supports immigration?

Here I am a conservative Republican and Ive always supported imigration. The problem with the whole system is that its just too hard, and way to expensive for your average person. It cost my wife and I over 3,000.00 in our first year of marriage when we had very very little, and she is from Japan. Now how is some non Rich Mexican going to be able to get here legally and have a chance at a better life? 3,000.00 for them you may as well ask them for a million.

Linguist

You bring a good point about overpopulation. Think we're due for bubonic plague #2

http://www.themiddleages.net/plague.html

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GigoloMason

I'm sorry that you're to fucking lazy to type a search into google. Since when is it my responsibility to do your research for you if you're to ignorant to figure it out on your own? You want immigrant rights in Mexico?

Here's the stipulation regarding land you were to lazy to look up:
"Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters."

Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones.
Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."

Imagine if we could do this here.
Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities."
(this is regarding illegals in Mexico)

And there goes due process for immigrants to mexico
According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."


That's what I thought. Dumbass.

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escorpio

Americans and other foreigners may obtain direct ownership of property in the interior of Mexico. However, under Mexican law, foreigners cannot own property outright within the restricted zone.

http://www.mexonline.com/propmex.htm


Looks like their laws regarding immigrants are a lot like the U.S.A.

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GigoloMason

Nice to see you weren't to lazy to pull up the first thing you find in google (literally) this time around. Now we look past the 'mexonline' version of things into the actual legal system.

Yes, it's possible for an American to aquire land in Mexico, but only indirectly. They are required to set up a mexican coproration that has at least %1 ownership held by a resident, as contracturally non-mexicans are treated like minors and therefore can't contract for title or for financing. Sure there are banks willing to structure this setup for americans recently, but if you're going to parallel this to the ease with which a foreigner can buy land in the US you're just dense.

So why should we do them any favors they don't reciprocate?

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escorpio

Looks like you're slowly making progress! Good for you!

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xclusive

How do you feel if billions of chinese all of a sudden wanted to all come here, Should that be allowed?

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GigoloMason

Even your 'Mexonline' site describes the exact process I did. The american never actually owns the land in that instance, it's an established mexican trust that technically has a Mexican owner.

Great, someone found a loophole and officials have allowed it to slide to encourage investment. At no point in a process does it change the fact that an american can't legally own land in mexico, it just means that someone found a way around the law via Mexican corporate structure.

Once again how does this change the core issue

a) Everyone else in the world has to play by the rules why do you think mexicans don't. They sure as hell don't return the favor if we enter their country illegally.
b) if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now.

We can barilly manage to provide for our own citizens, trying to go even further is just going to hurt everyone in the end as we simply don't have the resources.

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seven

Cos we don't bite a dog back maybe? Other countries do a lotta things we don't or won't do as well as other countries won't do a lotta things that we would like attack Iraq, attack Iran, be best buddies with Israel, let our pres lie and get away with it, nuke hiroshima, whine about mexicans only when there are millions of illegals from other nations there, mexico don't make us acquire VISAs to enter mexico but we do require them to get a VISA or jump the fence etc. to name a few lol.

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Hear! Hear!

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