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Old 04-19-2006, 02:54 PM   #101
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Old 04-19-2006, 02:54 PM   #102
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Unregulated immigration might work for a while but in the end it is just going to make everyone poor.
Says the expert immigration researcher GigoloMason? The other researchers (the real ones) don't seem to agree with your expert opinion your highness: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12208037/
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They didn?t sneak over the border in the middle of the night and then run into the streets demanding this, that and the other.
They could not even if they wanted to now could they? Don't think you could really compare the situation here.

Once upon a time I didn't like illegal mexicans either. I'd go along with others that these mexicans come here take our jobs. But then oneday I gave it a long hard thought while taking notes in my American History 101 class at the university.. why am I being prejudice, a hypocrite? I figured cos I've been hanging out with highschool dropouts too much. So I quit hanging out with the losers and been feeling better about myself since
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Even your 'Mexonline' site describes the exact process I did. The american never actually owns the land in that instance, it's an established mexican trust that technically has a Mexican owner. .
That's for property in the restricted areas, not the interior.


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Once again how does this change the core issue

a) Everyone else in the world has to play by the rules why do you think mexicans don't. They sure as hell don't return the favor if we enter their country illegally.
b) if you think america or any country can absorb an unlimited number of immigrants, legal or not every year, you better start asking yourself what people are going to do when there are more people than jobs. especially when jobs are leaving north america at record rates right now.

We can barilly manage to provide for our own citizens, trying to go even further is just going to hurt everyone in the end as we simply don't have the resources.
Once again, for the slower kids...

I think the rules should be changed.

And we do have the resources.
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(I just made a contribution to the minutemen project as well as Roy Warden's group in Tucson.)
Go brag about that shit on Stormfront.
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Go brag about that shit on Stormfront.
What is Stormfront?

I have no issue with my country enforcing the same laws that every other country on earth enforces.... including Mexico.
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Oh.... I just looked at what Stormfront is....

Typical of the left, when someone disagrees, and you can't fight them with logic, then just call them Racist!

You are just a silly kid aren't you?

By that same logic, then Mexico and every other country that enforces their Border entry laws are all Racist. LMAO!!!
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Oh.... I just looked at what Stormfront is....

Typical of the left, when someone disagrees, and you can't fight them with logic, then just call them Racist!

You are just a silly kid aren't you?

By that same logic, then Mexico and every other country that enforces their Border entry laws are all Racist. LMAO!!!
Minutemen are a armed racist vigilante group and I don't want them where I live. Fuck you for contributing.
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I immigrated here when I was 11, I came from The Netherlands though (even though I'm not Dutch, I'm asian but I was born in Holland). Anyways, even though I didn't speak English in Holland when I was a kid, for some reason I learned English REALLY REALLY fast.

I don't know if it's exceptional genes or what but I was never in ESL, and after being in America for only 2 MONTHS, I was already in HONORS English. I was one of those really smart people and soon my english was so good that I was doing better than kids who were born here. Some people are just naturally smart.

It doesn't have much to do with the thread but I just wanted to brag how easily I learned English because I never got the chance to brag before!

I don't understand how people can be so retarded and be stuck in ESL for years. After 2 months here I was already in HONORS. And I also got a 4 on my AP exam in history in high school (which was an all written exam), I beat the valedictorian who ended up going to Harvard!!
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It doesn't matter what race this is happening too..whoever is complaining is racist period.
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I love how the illegal immigrant sympathizers never use the word ILLEGAL. No American has a problem with legal immigration!

I've said this before, and have yet to get an answer.... What gives a Mexican the right to pick another country to go live in, and enter that country at their own will?

Just because the Mexican government encourages illegal immigration to the US doesn't mean you have the right to disrespect American immigration laws. If you come here illegally, you are asking for any problems you may face here.

I will support illegal Mexican immigration when someone convinces me that they have more of a right to come to the US than people from other countries.
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Minutemen are a armed racist vigilante group and I don't want them where I live. Fuck you for contributing.
What absolute crap.... I know people in that group, I was just in Arizona last week, and there are people of all colors helping them. They have no problem with any people of any color that come into the country, and neither do I.

....and they have done a great job in helping the border patrol do their work, and illegal entries in the areas that they are observing are WAY down.

Please show me any credible evidence of what you are saying.
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By that same logic, then Mexico and every other country that enforces their Border entry laws are all Racist. LMAO!!!
That doesn't make you racist.. it does when there are millions of illegals from other countries too but you only want to deport mexicans. When you say look at their faces if they look mexican deport makes you a racist Now, before you call me a Jose I'm not so spare me lol.
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Anyone else notice many people are just on the opposite side of the issue because Bush supports immigration?

Here I am a conservative Republican and Ive always supported imigration. The problem with the whole system is that its just too hard, and way to expensive for your average person. It cost my wife and I over 3,000.00 in our first year of marriage when we had very very little, and she is from Japan. Now how is some non Rich Mexican going to be able to get here legally and have a chance at a better life? 3,000.00 for them you may as well ask them for a million.
No Worries! Just tell them to take a boat to Florida and say they are Cuban... Problem solved... Anyone see a MAJOR problem here???

And before escorpio goes all racist on me again, I have no problem with Spanish people if I did things wouldn't go very well on my block as it's now 70% Spanish.. As far as the language bothering me.. It doesn't bother me, it pisses me off that your answer is to learn Spanish! Fuck Off!! I don't need to know it atm and if I ever travel I'll do it then, JUST like anyone coming here should!

Canada has a vast open space up north, tell all your buddies that want to come over illegal to keep heading north! Oh wait nobody will give them a hand out there..nevermind.
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Here are 2. They are our neighbors. 2. we stole land from them in the past
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That doesn't make you racist.. it does when there are millions of illegals from other countries too but you only want to deport mexicans. When you say look at their faces if they look mexican deport makes you a racist Now, before you call me a Jose I'm not so spare me lol.
I have NEVER said that only mexicans should be deported... EVER.

(I've also never called anyone a "Jose", I'm not sure what that's about.)

I think that illegal border crossings are wrong no matter what country people are coming from. The only reason that Mexico comes up in these threads (and I wasn't the one that raised it), is that it is the border with the biggest problem. I think that Canadians that come into the US illegally should be deported, along with Swedes, Japanese, English, Australians, Russians, Argentinians, or ANY people that break our border entry laws...

I have seen here in Miami people from all over the planet that come here, then over stay their VISAs and then disappear. It's wrong, and the US is not wrong for trying to enforce our laws.
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It doesn't matter what race this is happening too..whoever is complaining is racist period.
Ohhh, the race card now.

Mexicans are actually among the biggest racists on the planet, and you know it. White people are loathed in the Mexican community.

The only reason there is any respect at all is because they need gringo to get their money to send back to Mexico.
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What absolute crap.... I know people in that group, I was just in Arizona last week, and there are people of all colors helping them. They have no problem with any people of any color that come into the country, and neither do I.

....and they have done a great job in helping the border patrol do their work, and illegal entries in the areas that they are observing are WAY down.

Please show me any credible evidence of what you are saying.
Congratulate your fucking friends for helping cause more deaths in the desert. Big fucking heroes, harrassing desperately poor people.
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Here are 2. They are our neighbors. 2. we stole land from them in the past
In that case, then Mexico needs to stop enforcing it's own border entry and immigration laws.

By the way, anyone with Spanish blood needs to leave mexico, since Spain stole it from the Aztecs....

....and come to think of it, the Aztecs got that land by conquering neighboring tribes, so THEY need to give it back to the original small tribes that the Aztecs stole from in the first place.
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Congratulate your fucking friends for helping cause more deaths in the desert. Big fucking heroes, harrassing desperately poor people.
Thats the funniest thing I ever heard.... THEY are responsible for these people that are knowingly risking their lives while breaking the laws of another country and then die in the desert because they are trying to hide from the law enforcement agents of the country whose laws they are breaking???

You crack me up. I could listen to this all day!!!
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Thats the funniest thing I ever heard.... THEY are responsible for these people that are knowingly risking their lives while breaking the laws of another country and then die in the desert because they are trying to hide from the law enforcement agents of the country whose laws they are breaking???

You crack me up. I could listen to this all day!!!
What part of "desperate poverty" do you not understand?
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Ohhh, the race card now.

Mexicans are actually among the biggest racists on the planet, and you know it. White people are loathed in the Mexican community.

The only reason there is any respect at all is because they need gringo to get their money to send back to Mexico.
Well put man.
There's respect among educated people.
I'm proud and lucky to be a educated American.
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I immigrated here when I was 11, I came from The Netherlands though (even though I'm not Dutch, I'm asian but I was born in Holland). Anyways, even though I didn't speak English in Holland when I was a kid, for some reason I learned English REALLY REALLY fast.

I don't know if it's exceptional genes or what but I was never in ESL, and after being in America for only 2 MONTHS, I was already in HONORS English. I was one of those really smart people and soon my english was so good that I was doing better than kids who were born here. Some people are just naturally smart.

It doesn't have much to do with the thread but I just wanted to brag how easily I learned English because I never got the chance to brag before!

I don't understand how people can be so retarded and be stuck in ESL for years. After 2 months here I was already in HONORS. And I also got a 4 on my AP exam in history in high school (which was an all written exam), I beat the valedictorian who ended up going to Harvard!!
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Tell me, how many white dishwashers do you know or how many white or black people you know that would want to work as one????
There are plenty actually, in states that don't have as many illegals in them. Hell, even here in Miami, where there are plenty of illegal aliens, there are white and black people working in kitchens of resturants that I know the owners of.

Of course the employers have to pay them the legal minimum at least. As opposed to the illegals, that get paid starvation wages.

Americans are very hard working, look at our productivity, weekly work hours and vacation times compared to the rest of the 1st world countries.
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In that case, then Mexico needs to stop enforcing it's own border entry and immigration laws.

By the way, anyone with Spanish blood needs to leave mexico, since Spain stole it from the Aztecs....

....and come to think of it, the Aztecs got that land by conquering neighboring tribes, so THEY need to give it back to the original small tribes that the Aztecs stole from in the first place.
hey he wanted 1 reason I gave him 2 but you guys still won't accept but just go around beat around the bush then why even bother asking for reasons when your mind is all setup already? And please stop calling me a Jose. I'm not a mexican for God's sakes.
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im sure all white,black,yellow,blue,purple and red unemployed people in the us would do this job if it didnt pay $2/hour. its easier to exploit people who have no place to turn and make profits then to pay min wage. people who use this argument make it sound like illegals have been doing these jobs forever. im white and ive washed dishes. im white and ive mowed lawns. im white and ive worked in the fields picking oranges. its unfortunate that today these positions are earning less than they were 10 years ago.
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Tell me, how many white dishwashers do you know or how many white or black people you know that would want to work as one????
That want to? I don't know. But there are plenty of white and black dishwashers all across the country.
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hey he wanted 1 reason I gave him 2 but you guys still won't accept but just go around beat around the bush then why even bother asking for reasons when your mind is all setup already? And please stop calling me a Jose. I'm not a mexican for God's sakes.
First of all, did you read my post?? Why won't YOU respond to my points about history?

Secondly I have never called you a "Jose". Are you on drugs?
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im sure all white,black,yellow,blue,purple and red unemployed people in the us would do this job if it didnt pay $2/hour. its easier to exploit people who have no place to turn and make profits then to pay min wage. people who use this argument make it sound like illegals have been doing these jobs forever. im white and ive washed dishes. im white and ive mowed lawns. im white and ive worked in the fields picking oranges. its unfortunate that today these positions are earning less than they were 10 years ago.
EXACTLY I've done all of those job and then some
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There are plenty actually, in states that don't have as many illegals in them. Hell, even here in Miami, where there are plenty of illegal aliens, there are white and black people working in kitchens of resturants that I know the owners of.

Of course the employers have to pay them the legal minimum at least. As opposed to the illegals, that get paid starvation wages.

Americans are very hard working, look at our productivity, weekly work hours and vacation times compared to the rest of the 1st world countries.
Horseshit? I worked my way through college in restaurants and have not met a single white guy in dishwasher room busting his ass for 7 bucks and hour. Minimum was 4.25 at that time.
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im sure all white,black,yellow,blue,purple and red unemployed people in the us would do this job if it didnt pay $2/hour. its easier to exploit people who have no place to turn and make profits then to pay min wage. people who use this argument make it sound like illegals have been doing these jobs forever. im white and ive washed dishes. im white and ive mowed lawns. im white and ive worked in the fields picking oranges. its unfortunate that today these positions are earning less than they were 10 years ago.
Another bull. My house cleaner is illegal and I pay her 60 bucks a week for 2 hour job. They guy that does the yard gets paid 40 bucks. I knew plenty of illegal and they weren?t getting paid 2 dollars an hour.
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Horseshit? I worked my way through college in restaurants and have not met a single white guy in dishwasher room busting his ass for 7 bucks and hour. Minimum was 4.25 at that time.
Whatever you want to say, but I know of white guys working in the dishwasher room here in Miami today, and when I was working my way through ASU in the early 80s I worked as a dishwasher for a long time.

Judging from your posts you seem to think that your experience must be the ONE AND ONLY THING that's going on in the world
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Another bull. My house cleaner is illegal and I pay her 60 bucks a week for 2 hour job. They guy that does the yard gets paid 40 bucks. I knew plenty of illegal and they weren?t getting paid 2 dollars an hour.
$2 was an exaggeration. im sure you can find someone legal to clean your house for $30/hour considering my friend whos a nurse doesn't even make that. its also nice to know your gardener is illegal. i hope he walks to your place instead of driving because he doesn't have a drivers license which means he has no insurance.
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$2 was an exaggeration. im sure you can find someone legal to clean your house for $30/hour considering my friend whos a nurse doesn't even make that. its also nice to know your gardener is illegal. i hope he walks to your place instead of driving because he doesn't have a drivers license which means he has no insurance.
I don?t care. He does the job and gets paid.
As far as my housecleaner I can tell you does 10 times better job than fat bitch from marry maids (sp?) that did it twice before I told her to get her ass out. I don?t know if you realize but most of those illegal workers have families back home that they send money too, they CARE to keep their jobs THE JOBS THEY DOO BETTER THAN SPOILED BRATS !
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but everyone who is an american citizen came from an illeagal immagrant(somewhere down the line)


Shut your mouth pablo.
My family came here legally.
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What part of "desperate poverty" do you not understand?
If they are about to die of exposure then they only have to turn themselves into the border patrol. They will be fed and given water, any injuries will be treated, etc....

It's their choice, it's not the fault of the minutemen.
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Here are 2. They are our neighbors. 2. we stole land from them in the past
There is a reason why countries have borders. Nobody, no matter how close is going to cross them illegally. This is the case for every country in the world, including Mexico.

And no, we didn't steal land from Mexico. Anyone who says this is an uneducated fool. I guess when you lose a war it suddenly becomes theft of land, huh?

Just about every border in the world has been drawn through war. The Mexican-US border is no different. The land was captured by the US fair and square in a war dispute. Again, that is generally how borders are drawn on this planet. GET OVER IT.
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If they are about to die of exposure then they only have to turn themselves into the border patrol. They will be fed and given water, any injuries will be treated, etc....

It's their choice, it's not the fault of the minutemen.
What if the border patrol isn't around? You think people willingly die in the desert before seeking assistance? Increased patrol pushes desperate crossers into some very inhospitable areas.
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immigrant families are having 4-5 kids

wash them around for two generations and what do you have left?

More Canadians. We're all immigrants, retard.
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First of all, did you read my post?? Why won't YOU respond to my points about history?

Secondly I have never called you a "Jose". Are you on drugs?
Yes I read your post. Let's not try to make points there about who else stole land from who otherwise, the next thing you'll know the native Indians are demanding their lands back again and trying to deport you to wherever your ancestors came from Now for the 10th time man, quit calling me a Jose, I'm not mexican ughhh!!!! !$#^%^*)
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What if the border patrol isn't around? You think people willingly die in the desert before seeking assistance? Increased patrol pushes desperate crossers into some very inhospitable areas.
Gotta disagree there bud. I support legalization of existing illegals but not the future illegals. You gotta draw a line. Because increased patrol means more illegal immigrant deaths doesn't mean border security shouldn't be tighter they should. maybe the desparados will then get the point and stop trying.. can't blame u.s. for those illegals committing suicide
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Gotta disagree there bud. I support legalization of existing illegals but not the future illegals. You gotta draw a line. Because increased patrol means more illegal immigrant deaths doesn't mean border security shouldn't be tighter they should. maybe the desparados will then get the point and stop trying.. can't blame u.s. for those illegals committing suicide
I support making it easier to gain legal access to working in the U.S. Increased patrols and vigilate harassment is not the answer. Desperate people will always try as long as the legal alternative is expensive and time consuming.
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I support making it easier to gain legal access to working in the U.S. Increased patrols and vigilate harassment is not the answer. Desperate people will always try as long as the legal alternative is expensive and time consuming.
making it easier I agree too and nuff with the vigilate harassment cause there's no guidelines for vigils but legal patrol there should be more. if the desparate people still try it's too bad for them. you know no matter how easy it's been made to come legally some people will still try to come illegally cause they are crazy in the head hehe.
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and nuff with the vigilate harassment cause there's no guidelines for vigils but legal patrol there should be more.
"legal patrol" ???

The Minuteman Project is not illegal. Here in the US when our government doesn't step up and do something, we the people handle it ourselves.
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I have a question for you guys. How many from you are pure americans?
I think none, is all mixed blood. from Europe, Asia,Africa, Australia and Canada. not to forget Latin America.
Tell me if i am wrong.
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Now tell me how many of you people screaming about ilegal immigration form your opinions based on television and talking to the drunk redneck down the street....

who can only complain about how they are taking all your jobs, but he himself has one working at factory earning $20/hour....

Whereas the ilegal mexican comes to this country, and after getting a job that pays $2.00 below min. wage painting the house of the above drunk redneck, goes out and purchases a DVD player, CD player and various other consumer goods manufactured in the drunk redneck's factory. Therefore keeping redneck employed and contributing to the economy....

As you sit in an ally behind your house, drinking 3.2% beer calling all illegal immigrants scum and criminals as you roll up a big fat joint....

And act like you have an education or an opinion that isn't formed from at the base of your rectum?
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What absolute crap.... I know people in that group, I was just in Arizona last week, and there are people of all colors helping them. They have no problem with any people of any color that come into the country, and neither do I.

....and they have done a great job in helping the border patrol do their work, and illegal entries in the areas that they are observing are WAY down.

Please show me any credible evidence of what you are saying.
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Sorry, but a left-wing wacko BLOG that quotes the SPLC the whole time, (a massive fund raising operation that had promised to run on it's own funds when they reached 60 million dollars and is still harrasing people for money with 120 million in its accounts), doesn't exactly constitute "credible evidence"

If you are interested in the truth, why don't you try going and observing the minutemen doing their thing? They have no problem with people observing.
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