paycom and the 'store'? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

seeric · 04-19-2006, 12:08 PM

50 woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof

WiredGuy · 04-19-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

they are. its a master card requirement for over 2 years now. just happens that ALOT of ppl were not notified apparantly.... but i highly doubt its affecting many sales.

i am a lil concerned about the join page refreshing when you start to put in your cc info.

that may scare some ppl away.. Rand any thoughts on this?

I doubt hardly anyone is using this method to join either but what I find interesting is that people can find the cheapest option through this means. For example, say I'm about to join MilfSeeker. Forget joining through the join page since I'll be given the $39.95 option for recurring. Instead, come here:

https://wnu.com/secure/jsp/view_pric...&useSiteDesc=Y

Browse thru the pulldown and find the cheapest option of $1 for 5 days which recurs to $9.95. So instead of paying $40/month I get a 75% discount for knowing about the Paycom store. Add to that affiliates won't get credit for the referral.

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

Rand · 04-19-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

heres the part i dont believe is right. most will agree.

being that i am the one that sent that customer to that store inside the processors umbrella, i feel entitled to a piece of whatever they buy. this is not the case. they do not payout to anyone for anything that my customer bought in the store. i asked several times and was told "no". also, should the customer buy something else and like it better they may cancel what they originally purchased instead of rebilling off of the trial, etc, etc. you see where i am going with this.

you learn something new everyday.

Airek - Damn! -- Who did you speak with? I want names!

This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. A sale, if one ever actaully takes place from the "Continue Shopping" experience, is a sale. YOU DO get paid for it. It is NO differenct from any other primary transaction.

Come on!!!!!!!!

bigdog · 04-19-2006, 12:23 PM

paycom is getting a lot of love this month from gfy

Wiseman · 04-19-2006, 12:25 PM

As far as I know this has been in place for a cpl years and is in place for no other reason then it was told to be done by master card for all IPSP'S to basically stay in buisness. and as far as needing explaining it is basically explained as ITS TYHE MASTERCARD LAW. simple enough

Thomas N · 04-19-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

Its a good thing no one pointed it out on a highly visible board filled with surfers then! ;)

lol

Wiseman · 04-19-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

Airek - Damn! -- Who did you speak with? I want names!

This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. A sale, if one ever actaully takes place from the "Continue Shopping" experience, is a sale. YOU DO get paid for it. It is NO differenct from any other primary transaction.

Come on!!!!!!!!

Break out the Hatchet! Someone is getting the AXE!!!

WiredGuy · 04-19-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordFish

Its a good thing no one pointed it out on a highly visible board filled with surfers then! ;)

lol

LOL, sorry I forgot the audience here

WG

artman · 04-19-2006, 12:33 PM

are offshore processors like MVC, segpay etc required to provide a link to their processed sites too?

xxxice · 04-19-2006, 12:34 PM

After my world of warcraft thread I was not going to post for a few weeks but, damn. I had to say thanks for the information and no matter how small the number of sales it is the concept itself that worries me ...

media · 04-19-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Browse thru the pulldown and find the cheapest option of $1 for 5 days which recurs to $9.95. So instead of paying $40/month I get a 75% discount for knowing about the Paycom store. Add to that affiliates won't get credit for the referral.

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

This was one of my biggest concerns, Surfers are NOT as stupid as they used to be.. They are educated by people on how to commit what basicly amounts to consumer fraud by being allowed to join, and charge back or request refunds months later.. You had a membership, this creates expenses, fees, and penalties with chargeback... but hey, we're the black sheep, it's ALWAYS the adult industries fault... I heard Steve Lightspeed say one time "Our industry is the only one that constantly fucks itself" which is pretty true.. lol

WiredGuy · 04-19-2006, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media

This was one of my biggest concerns, Surfers are NOT as stupid as they used to be.. They are educated by people on how to commit what basicly amounts to consumer fraud by being allowed to join, and charge back or request refunds months later.. You had a membership, this creates expenses, fees, and penalties with chargeback... but hey, we're the black sheep, it's ALWAYS the adult industries fault... I heard Steve Lightspeed say one time "Our industry is the only one that constantly fucks itself" which is pretty true.. lol

Yup, and this storefront is really a bad idea. I know its a requirement from MC which is fine, but merchants should have the ability to pick which codes are made public in my opinion. I'm sure MilfSeeker wouldn't be too happy if surfers found out they can join from this gateway at a 75% discounted rate.
WG

media · 04-19-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

As far as I know this has been in place for a cpl years and is in place for no other reason then it was told to be done by master card for all IPSP'S to basically stay in buisness. and as far as needing explaining it is basically explained as ITS TYHE MASTERCARD LAW. simple enough

Wiseman, it's not the "mastercard bi-laws" that I have a problem with, it is the fact that there seems to be a point of failure in offering every plausible option in you price points to the consumer, which I do not think was part of this regulation with mastercard, from my understanding you only had to make more choices available, which would mean that you would be able to specify which price point for the specific site you wanted to have available in the paycom admin (this would be a nice feature) that way by default you could have ONE price option that is displayed for ONE site...

Not 10 - 20 price options that may have been set up for bonus mailings, or for cancelations of members to re-signup at a discounted rate, etc.. etc..

Too many options sometimes is a bad thing....

elitetec · 04-19-2006, 12:56 PM

store me

Shoehorn! · 04-19-2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

whats this store url trey, i wanna have a look at extreme paychecks and ragecash info.

i dont see any store links anywhere.

thanks.

Not sure if its been posted yet, but here is a URL.

https://wnu.com/secure/jsp/searchProduct.jsp

Enjoy.

Shoehorn! · 04-19-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I doubt hardly anyone is using this method to join either but what I find interesting is that people can find the cheapest option through this means. For example, say I'm about to join MilfSeeker. Forget joining through the join page since I'll be given the $39.95 option for recurring. Instead, come here:

https://wnu.com/secure/jsp/view_pric...&useSiteDesc=Y

Browse thru the pulldown and find the cheapest option of $1 for 5 days which recurs to $9.95. So instead of paying $40/month I get a 75% discount for knowing about the Paycom store. Add to that affiliates won't get credit for the referral.

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

I wonder how many surfers here have already taken advantage of that.

Tom_PM · 04-19-2006, 01:55 PM

If your code is in the store (which it is) then you get credit for the 0.0035% of joins done through there. Correct?

Then site owners should not be overly concerned IMHO, and should also be happy it's not a nice design ;)

Why aren't ya'll asking for a special postback code or whatever to track joins through the store to see #'s yourself?

I'm more curious than concerned.

/lurk mode reactivated

SteveLightspeed · 04-19-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by media

This was one of my biggest concerns, Surfers are NOT as stupid as they used to be.. They are educated by people on how to commit what basicly amounts to consumer fraud by being allowed to join, and charge back or request refunds months later.. You had a membership, this creates expenses, fees, and penalties with chargeback... but hey, we're the black sheep, it's ALWAYS the adult industries fault... I heard Steve Lightspeed say one time "Our industry is the only one that constantly fucks itself" which is pretty true.. lol

I think my quote was more like "This is the only industry that pays itself to fuck itself."

Still true.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-19-2006, 06:29 PM

my concern here is as an affiliate . is paycom shaving sales from affiliates by offering them different signup options ?

xxxice · 04-19-2006, 07:12 PM

If I were to signup for a site I would take the $9.95 per month vs the $40 as well. If surfers caught on to this, as cheap as some of them are; it would not be good.

If the store had the same prices as the site would be a little better but we are talking about a $30 difference per month that is crazy ...

Calvinguy · 04-19-2006, 10:22 PM

Wasn't this introduced among all 3rd. party processors 2-3 years ago?
One more reason I am happy for not doing 3rd. party processing...

KrisKross · 04-19-2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rand

Airek - Damn! -- Who did you speak with? I want names!

This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. A sale, if one ever actaully takes place from the "Continue Shopping" experience, is a sale. YOU DO get paid for it. It is NO differenct from any other primary transaction.

Come on!!!!!!!!

The way I understood this is that if surfer signs up for another site from another program through the store, the program who generated the traffic/sale by sending the surfer to the store doesn't get credit.

So for example, if Surfer Joe goes to join an Epic Cash site, follows the store link and joins a Ragecash site instead, Epic Cash doesn't get a cent for referring the sale.

04-19-2006, 12:25 PM	#55
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	As far as I know this has been in place for a cpl years and is in place for no other reason then it was told to be done by master card for all IPSP'S to basically stay in buisness. and as far as needing explaining it is basically explained as ITS TYHE MASTERCARD LAW. simple enough __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

04-19-2006, 12:56 PM	#64
elitetec Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,944	store me __________________ Add Your Site To My PR4 Blog Selling Sig ICQ-200636146

04-19-2006, 01:55 PM	#67
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	If your code is in the store (which it is) then you get credit for the 0.0035% of joins done through there. Correct? Then site owners should not be overly concerned IMHO, and should also be happy it's not a nice design ;) Why aren't ya'll asking for a special postback code or whatever to track joins through the store to see #'s yourself? I'm more curious than concerned. /lurk mode reactivated __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

04-19-2006, 06:29 PM	#69
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	my concern here is as an affiliate . is paycom shaving sales from affiliates by offering them different signup options ? __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

04-19-2006, 12:08 PM	#51
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	50 woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof

04-19-2006, 12:23 PM	#54
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	paycom is getting a lot of love this month from gfy

04-19-2006, 12:33 PM	#59
artman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 770	are offshore processors like MVC, segpay etc required to provide a link to their processed sites too?

04-19-2006, 12:34 PM	#60
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	After my world of warcraft thread I was not going to post for a few weeks but, damn. I had to say thanks for the information and no matter how small the number of sales it is the concept itself that worries me ...

04-19-2006, 07:12 PM	#70
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	If I were to signup for a site I would take the $9.95 per month vs the $40 as well. If surfers caught on to this, as cheap as some of them are; it would not be good. If the store had the same prices as the site would be a little better but we are talking about a $30 difference per month that is crazy ...

04-19-2006, 10:22 PM	#71
Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	Wasn't this introduced among all 3rd. party processors 2-3 years ago? One more reason I am happy for not doing 3rd. party processing...