CDSmith

I suppose I'm safe in assuming you believe there is no such thing as a peaceful muslim?

Fact is, many muslims currently living in N. America have in the past looked at what is/was happening in their homeland and have shaken their heads in disgust.

With the exception of your inclusion of the scientologists, I find your thinking a tad extreme.

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What else would you expect from a Jew Fundamentalist?

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Lazonby

You just keep on getting owned. Is it a poor education or poor parenting's fault that you're of unsound mind?

Osama Bin Laden attacked the US because the US is the 'Great Satan'. America's support for Israel is incidental.

Since Israel is a US ally, it would be wrong to abandon them. You must be a great guy, if you think that abandoning your friends is better than supporting them.

Lazonby

If there are such things as peaceful Muslims then there are paedophiles who do not find children attractive, gay people who are not gay and cats which are dogs.

Things are what they are, not what people say they are.

A Muslim is defined as one because of his beliefs. The aim of Islam is to dominate the entire world and to enslave, convert or kill all the non-Muslims. If someone who calls themself a Muslim does not believe that Islam should dominate the world and that all non-Muslims should be converted, enslaved or killed, then they are not a Muslim, even if they say they are one.

So, the 'peaceful Muslims' are not in fact Muslims and should not be refered to as such. It might be more accurate to call them 'people with some form of Islamic background', although that's a bit of a mouthful. Perhaps the best would be 'Muslim apostate', since that's what they are; people who have left Islam.

I know perfectly what you mean, since I have some buddies who call themselves Muslims, but who are anything but.

Westerners lump everyone with some form of Islamic identity into the group called 'Muslims', but that's because not many Westerners know more than a basic amount about Islam, including yourself if I guessed correctly.

Lazonby

When seven gets bored with calling me 'Jew', I hope he calls me 'Hindu' or 'Zoroastrian' just for some variety.

seven

LMFAO. You shouldn't have dropped out of achool while were only in your 3rd grade? Your parents should be put in jail for letting you
It would be a step taken in the right direction admitting and not supporting when a friend is wrong. I am a great guy cause I do not help/encourage a friend in wrong-doings

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hey Jew is not as bad as the n word is it? And why would you wanna be called what you are not. Just let me call what you are.. a Jew. thnx.

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CDSmith

A simple "Yes CD, you are correct in assuming that" would have sufficed.

Well, no need to get snippy. If you mean that you assume I don't whole-heartedly agree with you, then yes, you'd be correct.

Relax McGuffy, I share your view, for the most part, where extremist muslims are concerned. Those who run out of their house or hovel raging in mindless uncontrollable anger at any perceived sleight from the west (or Denmark, or wherever). Yes, there are plent of them. Just not all.

There are people right here in Winnipeg who immigrated from the middle east who are practicing muslims who would no more burn a car or torch their neighbour's house than you or I would. (assuming their are no muslims living next door to you, lol). Fact is there are thousands upon thousands of muslims living in Canada, none of whom have in recent memory sucicide-bombed anyone, or run rampant through our streets shooting people and tipping over cars etc.

But before you start squawking about how I don't understand your view, as I said already, I share it.... where it pertains to the extremists. I fully support taking a hard line against those who are upstart enough to think they have a right to threaten the security of the world.

Those who think we should just "leave everyone alone and mind our own business" are deluded morons in my view. Not keeping tabs on some of these countries like Iran is about the least intelligent thing the west could do in this day and age.

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Lazonby

It's very hard to explain, but there are no such things as 'extremist Muslims'. They are just Muslims. Us dumb Westerners make the mistake of judging the Muslims by our own standards. We shouldn't. In Islam, there's nothing extreme about calling for the deaths of all the infidels - that's simply following the religion.

Those people are called Muslims.

No, they are almost certinaly not practicing Muslims. They have some form of Islamic identity, but unless they want to make Canada an Islamic state it's impossible for them to be Muslim - they wouldn't qualify to be called one.

How do you know they wouldn't?

You don't have to suicide bomb someone to be a Muslim. You have to believe in what is required of you to be one.

Cool. I'm glad we can agree on some things. Go and learn about Islam, and I can pretty much guarantee that we'll agree on everything.

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he's talking in a different league. He's talking about Islam the religion. he keeps blind-foldedly pushing his own idea of Islam. here's a recap of my conversation with him from another thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=216

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CDSmith

I'm sure most if not all of them would disagree with you. If they aren't practicing muslims then what are all those temples doing all over?

Because they haven't, unlike their bretheren in the ME.

Tell that to little Ahmed's parents. He'll be martyring in the fall. They blow up so fast. *sigh*

Sadly, I don't see this happening. When you post you come off like you know it all and are unwilling to consider the opinions of others with any measure of compromise whatsoever. Your mind is always made up and that's the way it is, and you never fail to avail yourself of an opportunity to flat-out dictate "how it is". Unfortutely you also fail to include that it is only your opinion, and not incontrovertible fact.

I'm simply not wired like that. I have the ability to accept and agree with your view to a limited point, but am also adding a rather valid sub-point that I would hazard a guess several others here agree with. Nothing to quibble about, I just find you to be a tad hardline in your thinking, and somewhat overbearing in your demeanor. That's all.

At any rate, carry on with the ownage. :D

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Greg B

Look, the Christians, Muslims and Jews are religions that force people to join. It's done by threat of death or torture or threat of disassociation.

You don't see people just lolligagging down the road saying "Hey! Look at that statue with the guy being tortured on that Roman execution mechanism! Let's be like him and join up!".

No, you'd run the other fucking way.

Yet if you're told the story and blah blah blah, then you are a member.

You don't see Buddhists doing the shit you see Christians, Jews and Muslims doing. What? The worst a Buddhist is gonna do is have 'roadside sit downs' or 'Sunny day contemplation rallies' ?

All the rest including the Hindus are bloodthirsty psychotics.

The rest of the planet has to suffer because people make up or warp religions for purposes of conquest and hate.

My thing is: If it calls for violence to expand itself, it ain't religion.

Do not underestimate the American ability to destroy lots of shit on a cosmic scale. We show off nukes but I can assure you we've weapons far more devestating in our quivers. Don't be surprised if one day we all wake up and there IS NO IRAN. I don't mean rubble and smoldering ruins shit. I mean NO FUCKING IRAN. Like as in NO FUCKING IRAN. Just fucking gone. Poof. A great view suddenly opening up.

None of these religions will survive the next 20 years in their present forms. Nature has a way of bringing in a wake up call. I don't remember seeing any of the religious figures showing up on CN-Fucking-N during that tsunami helping to rescue mother fuckers and shit.

Matter of fact we've had 60 years of tv where major wars and disasters have occured and you tell me when's the last time you saw a biblical like figure show up on the evening news straightening shit out?

No? I wonder fucking why?????

Bush is about as Christian as Kermit the fucking Frog. The Christian population of the U.S. knows about as much about real Christianity as Osama Bin Laden knows the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. It's a cultural thing. Be Christian or get cut out of rich ol' grandpa's will.

Europe's got a Muslim immigration problem because of one reason: It's Europe. Fucking up royally is genetic or something. Can't have things run smoothly, gotta just drag all kinds of dumb shit in the house and fuck up things so their American cousins can send more money instead of detox programs which they need.

Get it: Caffiene and alcohol are a bad hourly recipe Europeans! You'ld figure after 3 or 4 thousand fucking years of kicking each other's asses you would get it by fucking now.

Same as with us Americans. Just load us up with dope, booze, caffeine, refined sugar and BULLSHIT and brother we're on a roll for today's new fuck up! We just love fucking something up. Can't leave well enough a-fucking-lone can we? NooOOOOOo.

Didn't FEAR have a song called "Let's Have A War!" and didn't the Stormtroopers of Death have a song called " Fuck The Middle East! " ? They should be re-issued.

Bottom line for us of the 'realist' movement is the majority of our fellow human beings are too ignorant and non-aggressive enough to fight the psychotic bullies who rise to power. We let them slip through our fingers because we thought they were funny. Then they become presidents and kings. Remember the jokes about Clinton and GWB? Cases-in-Point.

So, now we come to nuclear threats AGAIN after 60 years of this shit. The U.S. should have taken over the world with it's nukes back in the 40's but instead let some humanistic asswipe religious people interfere and now look at us.

Now you know why aliens won't land: We're psychotic and it shows.

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And now you know why none of us sane people want anything to do with this spooky religious shit.

Billions of people around the world are living their lives based on books written thousands of years ago and the evaluations of the people who wrote them. They have histories up unto that time. Since no one on the nightly news informed the rest of the world, we've had better records of human history since then. We have SCIENCE that shows us exactly what we are and more than likely what we'll do based on the bones of dead mother fuckers who didn't wise up.

The speculation as to what we are is rapidly dwindling down to a series of fossils. We can put that and DNA on the table and look at it, not wonder about shit.

Are their yet as nonqualified and nonquantified phenomena to explore? Sure there are but since nothing like you've read in these old books has ever manifested itself on camera or in real fucking life, we need to deal with what's real.

We have amazing technologies nowadays. We've beaten the agricultural and energy and medical barriers. Our only enemy is the fears of the unconcious mind manifest in our delusional behavior toward reality and one another.

Religion is a search for the truth but has gotten mixed up with 'my culture is better than your culture' schoolyard psychosis. "I'm right and you're wrong" bullshit.

If you can't prove it, shut the fuck up. I'd bet that would wipe out 98% of the religions in the world in one swipe.

Greg B

And now you know why none of us sane people want anything to do with this spooky religious shit.

Billions of people around the world are living their lives based on books written thousands of years ago and the evaluations of the people who wrote them. They have histories up unto that time. Since no one on the nightly news informed the rest of the world, we've had better records of human history since then. We have SCIENCE that shows us exactly what we are and more than likely what we'll do based on the bones of dead mother fuckers who didn't wise up.

The speculation as to what we are is rapidly dwindling down to a series of fossils. We can put that and DNA on the table and look at it, not wonder about shit.

Are their yet as nonqualified and nonquantified phenomena to explore? Sure there are but since nothing like you've read in these old books has ever manifested itself on camera or in real fucking life, we need to deal with what's real.

We have amazing technologies nowadays. We've beaten the agricultural and energy and medical barriers. Our only enemy is the fears of the unconcious mind manifest in our delusional behavior toward reality and one another.

Religion is a search for the truth but has gotten mixed up with 'my culture is better than your culture' schoolyard psychosis. "I'm right and you're wrong" bullshit.

If you can't prove it, shut the fuck up. I'd bet that would wipe out 98% of the religions in the world in one swipe.

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CDSmith

As well as any scientist which has ever postulated an unproven theory. Which is all of them.

At any rate, there are in fact muslims in the world who are less militant than others. Ask a muslim "Are you a muslim?",
whereupon he says "yes, I am",
and you say "Do you believe in the forced conversion, enslavement or death for unbelievers?"
and he answers "no"
and Lanzonby is going to say "Then you're not a muslim"

...is simply ridiculous.

Would they all band together in the event of a war? Maybe, but somehow I think that a few of them have emigrated to Canada and the US because they actually prefer our lifestyle and our standard of living.

Back to the original question of this thread.... I would say that if Iran remains on their present course they indeed will be in for decisive and very eye-opening wakeup call. I wouldn't be jumping up and down screaming like an idiot for them to be bitchslapped just yet, but in time it may come to that.

There was a good 10+ years of "diplomacy" before Saddam was taken down, lest we forget.

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Fuck diplomacy. It doesn't fucking work! Psychotics don't respond to diplomacy. It's impossible for them to because they cannot self examine themselves, they're on 'automatic'. The only thing they understand is a foot in the ass to countermand the foot in their ass their unconcious mind is exerting on them. If we had kicked Saddam's ass in the first place we wouldn't have had to blow his country up three times already. Matter of fact had we not interferred in the middle east's business in the first place we wouldn't have this shit to deal with.

Webby

I never expressed anything one way or the other on agreeing or disagreeing about "Iran's rampant anti-semitism and anti-americanism".

The suggestion was it may be a good clue for a government at the other side of the Atlantic to keep their faces out of the business of nations in the middle east and instead, concentrate on cleaning up their own back yards. The trash there is beginning to smell and the reason for elections were to have trash collectors to remove it.

Believe me, that is the base starting line and a clue to all else.

Strange comment coming from you jjjay that "iran is a meaningless shithole". No country on this planet ever was a "meaningless shithole". It's very clear Iran is no shithole, nor is it "full of religious fanatics" blah.

Why is there so much concern over a "shithole" assuming you are correct??

The US has been meddling in the affairs of Iran for literally decades in an attempt to gain advantage in respect of oil resources.

Meddling includes instigating the assassination of members of a democratically elected government in Iran - so much for spreading freedom and democracy. (The Iranian govt was also not marinated in religous extemists) The last, or at least the last "known", attempt at interference backfired on the US, but some folks never learn.

Have any other nations either in the middle east, Europe or remotely near the area of Iran messed so much in the affairs of Iran? No. Only, predictably, the USA.

Iran has no more religious fanatics than there are in the US, and like the US, these religious fanatics have penetrated areas of government. The vast majority of Iranian people are perfectly sane and rational - again, just like the US.

The current Iranian President was democratically elected and selected from a choice of candidates - just like the US. The spewage from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is possibly his opinion which may lead us to think he is raving mad. Only my but suspect he knows exactly what he is doing and monitoring shit we don't even have a clue about. The simplified version possibly is that he's teasing and throwing back some hardball play the US have given. It's obviously working - just like it worked when Saddam used it.

Iran is also a country which has a neighbor equipped with nuclear arms and another currently occupied by US forces. Add the spewage from a US President on his concept of "pre-emptive" strikes and general dumbo clues in other areas, - and there is a blantantly obvious security problem for Iran, - especially when that country is oil rich and others are oil greedy.

Acts of aggression clearly cause instability, not just in the countries in direct fire, but in the whole region. For whatever the alleged reasons, the US-elected war in Iraq was obviously, as Rumsfeld would say, "not helpful". From past history of US activity in the affairs of Iran, of course it's going to flash red lights within their goverment.

The main complaint is the possible access to nuclear weaponary - and little doubts this is valid. *Any* proliferation of nuclear arms is "not helpful".

Ironically the nation with more nuclear weapons than anyone is actually the most vocal complainant tho there are no "rights" to be so. That same nation only has two viable sources of trade surplus, wheat, - and wait for it - arms proliferation/sales. Also worth noting is that the value of those arms exceed the arms exports from all other nations on this planet combined. Some call that crass hypocracy.

There are 56 million other factors to account for in the overall scenario - most we will never know. The verbal relevence of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad opinions on "how it should be" are as relevant of those George Bush, - basically neither matter.

There is clearly a lacking or deficiency in the election of leaderships who are unable to communicate effectively with each other despite their differences. One actually elected "not to speak" (Bush re France) simply because the other did not agree to enter into war - amazing, sad shit and more like kids in a school yard.

Enough bullshit! OK.. Ahmadinejad needs to shut the fuck up and stop teasing and others need to quit falling for it all the time and stay the fuck out of other folks business. Another other lesson played out thru history is that greed has a habit of biting ass in future.

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Webby

In all seriousness Greg, and I sure as hell ain't "knocking" when I say this cos it's not even funny and sad as hell.

There is no such thing as "diplomacy" in any dealing with the US government. If anything, there is a total lack of any communication or discussion on any subject other than one where they want to instigated trading relationships and where, even on those, the attitude is nothing other than a bull on a ramage in a china shop.

It is not for no reason the concept of "US foreign policy" has been a problem the world over for decades and stems from a total lack of ability to communicate or even comprehend the party they are dealing it.

No other country in the western world has a level of foul diplomacy as the US. Sure, there are plenty good US diplomats, but they rarely stand a chance and keep getting totally fucked by their superiors.

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once again.. what he said.

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Lazonby

It's not ridiculous at all and is in fact an easy concept to understand. I'll explain.

Something is defined what what it actually is. If I were to say that I was 1000 feet tall, would I be 1000 feet tall or would I be as tall as I actually am? I'd be as tall as I actually am, because regardless of what I may or may not believe, my height is definable only by reality.

In the context of Muslims, there is an actual definition of what 'Muslim' means. A Muslim is someone who follows god's will (in this case, 'Allah's' will). Since Allah's will is for Muslims to wage offensive war to conquer the entire globe until all the infidels are subdued, converted or killed, if someone does not believe in that then they do not qualify to be Muslim, even if they themselves think that they do.

If I left it here, you'd then go on about'interpretation', so I'll nip that in the bud early. Since Islam is directly from god, as opposed to from man, it is beyond interpretation. It cannot be changed. So, to be a Muslim one must follow a very narrow path. This is why the devout Muslims are forever killing other people who call themselves Muslims but who have in reality strayed far enough from the path to qualify for the death penalty, which is the penalty in Islam for leaving the religion.

So, a Muslim is defined by what it means to be a Muslim, not by what an individual thinks it means. If the definition of Muslim could simply be made up by anyone, then anyone or anything could be Muslim - a Hindu could be Muslim, a used condom could be Muslim, a loaf of bread could be Muslim.

Some people-who-call-themselves-Muslims moved to the West because they were not really Muslim, and freedom, wealth and peace meant more to them than hating infidels. Some real Muslims moved to the West, because under the generally secular regimes of the Middle East, they were persecuted for their devout behaviour, and it was found that one could worship Allah more effectively within a democracy, since our leaders in their great wisdom did not ask the Muslim immigrants any questions when they crossed our borders.

Well, Iran has already admitted to it's having refined uranium. Since historically they lie every chance they get, it would be reasonable to expect them to be at a more advanced point than they admit.

And that diplomacy got us nowhere. But Saddam did manage to murder a couple of hundred thousand of his citizens during that time.

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Interesting post

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Agreed but that's no excuse.

In the U.S. we have something no other country in history has had, the right to change things immediately. It's not like it's a big mystery we constantly fuck things up sometimes and do things right another.

Yet we have tv, radio, newspaper, the internet and still we can't get things straight. We wait til the alligators from the swamp are up our asses before we move something.

That's the dichotomy. WE can change things when we WANT to. If America's diplomacy is fucked up there's only ONE reason and ONE reason ONLY:

We are PART of the fuck up.

We either endorsed the shit or sat on our asses and let it happen.

No way gettin' out of it. We're the only country where the citizens are better funded and armed than the entire armed forces outside of city killing machines. WE don't exercise our power because we ENDORSE it or ALLOW it and everyone in the world knows it.

Every time some naked woman was on tv Americans were up in arms, yet we sit on our asses when criminals run rampant through our culture and administrations. Gangs and Mafioso have been running this counry ragged for almost 100 fucking years but you don't see them going anywhere soon! Why? Because they're US. Plain and fucking simple. We'll bitch about sex on tv but let drugs flow with abandon. We'll argue about religion or when someone makes fun of religion but we'll let our own people send weapons to superstitious people worldwide.

We're psychotic as a culture and it's out of control.

Our problem is US.

Webby

The danger there Greg is that is not, in actuality, good for the US - it's the complete opposite and can be extremely costly in both ecomomic terms and in lives.

On rights to change things.. na, the US is not alone. Even where I am now which can be regarded as a "third world country", - there is far more "democracy" and "rights" - some of which may appear to go to extremes in protection of individual rights.

The government here can be removed within 30 days if that is the desire of the population. If the government take any action which is remotely regarded as "oppressive" - they go.

On elections, they prob have among the most "respectful" elections on the planet and very little stabbing the opponent in the back on a agenda. Police or any other govt agencies who may carry weapons, are not permitted within X distance of any polling station. The school teachers organize and monitor the school children to count votes and rarely is there a problem.

Law enforcement may not raid homes in the middle of the night since this violates an individual's right to sleep whether he be a drug dealer or arms trader. Personal rights/choices are inviolate and come before all else.

I'll add this one for amusement... There was the concept that taxes should be collected. This was thrown out and one of the reasons being... a tax authority employee would then be able to read a tax form and since the data in the tax form is the personal business of each individual, - there are no "rights" for revenue employees to violate the rights of citizens by seeing their personal financial information. Again, personal rights/choices are inviolate and come before all else.

Bottom line... US is a wonderful country and got loads going for it. I'm no expert or authority on anything, but smells like the problem starts at the top and the word "serve" has been eliminated from govt. Who knows, but if that were to continue over a period of time, folks will soon get very pissed off and start acting. Even worse, if they see their country being economical screwed by small groups of individuals who clearly have no genuine interest and will have departed from office when the shit hits.

BTW.. Don't have any "sway" one way or other as to what political persuasion they are - they are all kinda useless and appear to be lacking any objective. Among them, little doubts there are many genuine folks and more than capable, - it's a matter of pulling them from the swamp and not basing "winners" based on the size of electoral budgets, media bullshit or who is best at back-stabbing. Honorable men don't back-stab.

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when it comes to war i will be cheering for iran

wait... my money comes from the US... nevermind

nico-t

seriously though, the US government is the worst government i have EVER witnessed in my lifetime... its a fucking disgrace how this even CAN happen...

CDSmith

Save it. I understand what you're saying perfectly. I'm just not sure why it's so hard for you to understand that someone might disagree with you, or that the possibility of you being wrong about something might actually exist.

Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted. Move on.

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yeah it's not good for iran to develop nuclear programs but i guess it's nice for the usa to continue to make and develop weapons for themselves and sell to other countries...

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Greg B,

Your posts are very interesting to read. I would like to hear you thought's on 911.

Thanks
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Greg B

Thanks.

Here're my thoughts on 9/11:

It fucking happened.

The results? Less freedom for honest Americans and more freedom for criminals worldwide. Since 9/11 there've been more security forces in place but not one drop in the transportation and use of illegal drugs. If our borders, airports, seaports are so well protected how the fuck come dope is still flourishing. Not only here but worldwide?

Simple answer: Global security against terrorism is BULLSHIT.

The statistics don't lie.

Linkster

In the first place - they dont have 54k centrifuges - they are threatening to build that many - currently they have 164 on line and most nuclear experts (not politicians) agree that it would take 5-10 years at least if not longer to get that many pots online in a cascade system
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/13/wo...ei=5 087hahaA

They also have nothing near a missle capable of handling a nuke warhead - thye might be able to buy one on the black market but that is even very doubtful as even pakistan had to come to us to get one


I dont know where this is coming from - maybe some hype from FOX??? You might read the actual constitution they have and the leadership structure they voted on which has been accepted worldwide (even the US backed it when it occured as a great step forward) http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-...eadership.html
Being a sovereign nation the do have every right in the world to protect themselves
A little information that you might not remember - in 1976 Gerald Ford signed a Presidential directive to offering Tehran the chance to buy and operate a US-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. Iran also is a member of the non-proliferation treaty which Under Article IV of the nuclear Treaty, member states are assured access to the benefits of civilian nuclear energy - they are just asserting that right.

You might do a little research into who really controls the nukes in the US - it has very little to do with the president - although he will do what he's told - there is a much larger contingent of people that really control the military - of course lately the retired Generals who started out in Iraq 3 years ago have been finally coming out and exposing that leadership for what it really is.
Finally - if you think Bush doesnt believe he is following exactly what the Christian path decrees - Read your own countrys news - http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../06/bush.shtml where Bush finally revealed that god told him to go to war in Iraq

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Linkster, as always your post is based on information that you can actually support in an intelligent way but what needs to be said in response to Lazonby when he's clearly pointed out that he reads only headlines and gets information from Fox News?

Iraq was a major stabilizing force in the Middle East but now they have no army to roll into Iran. Iran is also in a bad spot with US troops on both sides and so many not so friendly places having nukes.

They also see that the only reason Pakistan is not occupied right now is because they have nukes.

Saber rattling is good for those in power as it helps them stay in power. We can clearly see this from our own administration. The war in Iraq was the only thing that kept Dubya in office and of course it made a few responsible for it wealthy beyond their dreams. Hatred is a very powerful force.

My concern is that Iran may be pushing us because they think we can't afford another war and I think they're right. Dubya has given away our security by putting us in debt. China has far more pull in this country's policies then people would like to believe. If they stop loaning the US money or even stop producing for Wal Mart this administration losses everything and the US falls on very hard times.

seven

Good point. Good posts from both linkster & mobby

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Linkster

Moby - as usual you and I agree (must have something to do with all those pornstars LOL)

I think that if you look back to the history of saber rattling in the mideast and the US's standard responses there is also a newer effect that has the US a little worried and that is the Israeli stand - if you look back over the last few years they have taken a very strong vocal position which is not surprising, but is alienating a lot of former friends in Europe.
The US has always depended on Israel to be a stabalizing effect, but with Israels recent announcements of attack plans (long before the very recent US handwaving) in the event of Iran developing nuke plants, I just think there is one heck of a lot of posturing going on and Iran is doing what it should in response - they took good lessons from North Korea.
Israel has bombed developing nuke plants once before and the US truly believes they will do it again.
Back when Kissinger was offering contracts to Iran for GE and others to come in and develop Irans nuclear program (in the 1970s) Israel was putting out all kinds of preemptive talk that eventually led to the (in my opinion) oil embargo by Iran - and quite honestly I really dont want to see Iran pull that again - I got sick of waiting for the right day of the week to get gas, and having to wait for 6-8 hours to fill up on that designated day.
I think all these younger folk need to realize what they are pushing - sure theres a lot of pundits out there that will scream and have hissyfits about world war 3 - but that aint gonna happen - or even if it does it wont matter cause itll be over in 30 seconds and no one will care (theyll all be dead)
but pushing this expansionist colonism that was fashionable in the the UK last century is not really gonna allow the US to maintain its strength as a world power - and once some cooler heads get into power, that will get turned around again.

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Greg B

Look, bottom line is dude is talkin' shit. His mouth is writing a check that his ass can't cash. Israel ain't gonna tolerate his bs and it's only a matter of time before Russia and China turn on him.

China has turned into a gangster empire and with their human rights legacy is a far bigger threat.

Manowar

we should just ban ALL religions

SirMoby

Could be. Maybe it's because we both spent so much time in Washington and dealing with politicians, lobbyists, reporters, special interest groups, think tanks ...... While that was never my profession I've always dealt with these people on a social level and that seems to be when the guard is dropped and the honesty starts.

geene789

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Ca$h-collector

.. they think they can be something out there!!

geene789

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Greg B

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....xdv0o3w3.html

Great! Now Iran is making military threats to the U.S.

It's not the ability to make a bomb that's dangerous here, it's the fact that deadly spent uranium is in the hands of crazy people. Plutonium and uranium are some scary elements and these psychos could do far more harm spreading that shit around than dropping a piss sized A bomb.

They gotta go.