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Originally Posted by CDSmith
As well as any scientist which has ever postulated an unproven theory. Which is all of them.
At any rate, there are in fact muslims in the world who are less militant than others. Ask a muslim "Are you a muslim?",
whereupon he says "yes, I am",
and you say "Do you believe in the forced conversion, enslavement or death for unbelievers?"
and he answers "no"
and Lanzonby is going to say "Then you're not a muslim"
...is simply ridiculous.
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It's not ridiculous at all and is in fact an easy concept to understand. I'll explain.
Something is defined what what it actually is. If I were to say that I was 1000 feet tall, would I be 1000 feet tall or would I be as tall as I actually am? I'd be as tall as I actually am, because regardless of what I may or may not believe, my height is definable only by reality.
In the context of Muslims, there is an actual definition of what 'Muslim' means. A Muslim is someone who follows god's will (in this case, 'Allah's' will). Since Allah's will is for Muslims to wage offensive war to conquer the entire globe until all the infidels are subdued, converted or killed, if someone does not believe in that then they do not qualify to be Muslim, even if they themselves think that they do.
If I left it here, you'd then go on about'interpretation', so I'll nip that in the bud early. Since Islam is directly from god, as opposed to from man, it is beyond interpretation. It cannot be changed. So, to be a Muslim one must follow a very narrow path. This is why the devout Muslims are forever killing other people who call themselves Muslims but who have in reality strayed far enough from the path to qualify for the death penalty, which is the penalty in Islam for leaving the religion.
So, a Muslim is defined by what it means to be a Muslim, not by what an individual thinks it means. If the definition of Muslim could simply be made up by anyone, then anyone or anything could be Muslim - a Hindu could be Muslim, a used condom could be Muslim, a loaf of bread could be Muslim.
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Would they all band together in the event of a war? Maybe, but somehow I think that a few of them have emigrated to Canada and the US because they actually prefer our lifestyle and our standard of living.
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Some people-who-call-themselves-Muslims moved to the West because they were not really Muslim, and freedom, wealth and peace meant more to them than hating infidels. Some real Muslims moved to the West, because under the generally secular regimes of the Middle East, they were persecuted for their devout behaviour, and it was found that one could worship Allah more effectively within a democracy, since our leaders in their great wisdom did not ask the Muslim immigrants any questions when they crossed our borders.
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Back to the original question of this thread.... I would say that if Iran remains on their present course they indeed will be in for decisive and very eye-opening wakeup call. I wouldn't be jumping up and down screaming like an idiot for them to be bitchslapped just yet, but in time it may come to that.
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Well, Iran has already admitted to it's having refined uranium. Since historically they lie every chance they get, it would be reasonable to expect them to be at a more advanced point than they admit.
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Originally Posted by CDSmith
There was a good 10+ years of "diplomacy" before Saddam was taken down, lest we forget.
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And that diplomacy got us nowhere. But Saddam did manage to murder a couple of hundred thousand of his citizens during that time.