Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I'm Sick of hearing from all the cowardly people completely trash the rights of those who have died to have an adequate investigation. Grow up show some respect , if you had family members killed in a horrific way , dont you think you would deserve to hear from the people in charge of protecting you, why they fucked up ?

REGARDLESS of who did 9/11 , even IF the "official" story is true . some people have some explaining to do.

The aren't nameless faceless people , these are real people who can come forward and give us the truth or at the very least own up to the mistakes they made.

#1 when a plane flies into restricted airspace or flies off its designted course and cant be reached fighter jets are dispatched. This isnt new , this was well before 9/11 , so i would like to hear from the guy whos JOB is to scramble the jets , and i would like to hear from the fighters themselves. If your job is to protect us from hijacked airplanes WHO didnt do their job and WHY , they cause 1000's of people to DIE , these are people fathers and mothers and sons. If you killed someone's daughter because you fucked up at your job, wouldnt there be an investigation. well someone obviously fucked up , and since they didnt get fired obviously because there wasn't a proper investigation , that means they are still doing the job that they were doing when they fucked up.. do you feel safe protected by the same people that fucked up at their job when they were supposed to be protecting us..

#2 the guy and company responsible for building wtc , i want to know why you said it would not fall and it did. simple question , people who worked in wtc felt safe because you told them it was safe, you fucked up , someone needs to be fired or change the way you build buildings.

#3 the pentagon videos , where are they.. lets see them.

Show these people the respect they deserve.

Anyone who doesnt think we deserve an explanation is lost in their own ignorance. I hope your family never has to be protected by the same people in charge of protecting us on 9/11, because you wont even be treated with enough respect to actually hear from them..



and no i dont want to hear missile theories and endless false inuendo. Im not presenting any theories , there are no cool videos to go along or tinfoil hats , just a few simple questions, so if your going to insult someone insult me and leave your allegations at home.

Originally Posted by Linkster

that is totally incorrect - he has 48 hours to consult with Congress as per the War Powers Act of 1973 - Congress then has 90 days to authorize it or the President has to remove whatever forces he inserted and congress would remove any financing of the action.

The real reason that no one has taken action on this one is because Congress was so mis-led by the Presidents advisors as the Iraqs seeking WMD and "the mushroom cloud terrorism" scenario, they all just signed off on it
Now if you want to get into the real conspiracy theories - a bunch of people out there believe that the Anthrax attack was designed to further that fear in congress to insure approval of the War powers - it doesnt help that since 9/11 at least 10 of the leading microbioligists in this country have either dissapeared or been found dead (in kinda mysterious circumstances like floating in the Miss River) - and all were the top researchers dealing with biological agents ranging from Anthrax to Flu virii

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml

Just read that site. Excellent explanation there. If you cant understand what they wrote in simple terms, and accept it, you have issues.

Originally Posted by shaman

shit... its really true, that 'americans' are total paranoics, you probably need some special attention man... but not on gfy... on some good hospital...
who cares about wtc? youre writing like someone who dies there... you died there? no? so stfu and take care about your job... rednecks from america hehe... even not real peoples from there... where are indians/redskins now you wtc psycho? the real peoples of america you stupid motherfucker? hehe

stfu biatch, dont post anymore please

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Flying a small plane is no more difficult than driving a car. Once you learn to fly a small plane learning to fly a large plane (having practiced on a simulator and learning certain characteristics) is no more difficult than flying a small plane.

I am out of here.

Originally Posted by Splum

Dude fuck you, you just showed your true colors. Never once did I degrade you in my replies yet you have such uncontrolled teenage angst that you feel the only way to win an argument is to denigrate someone. You are an idiot in disguise trying to hide behind "innocent" questions and innuendo. You know damn well when posting this shit you would get opposing views, not only that but I am disgusted you show the people jumping like that, you even make sure its the only images you posted. Idiot.

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."

Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.

I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.

Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what a fucking dipshit... that about boils up what you base your opinions on


duh driving a car is the same as a plane lol

I nominate that for inbred statement of the year award

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what exactly are you trying to say , you have no evidence of anything and can't put together a coherent statement.. congrats thanks for cintributing absolutley nothing to the conversation..

The difference between me and you is i post facts , you post nothing but your own ignorance..

Heres your first clue.. dead people dont write anything moron. Who knows what the fuck indians and redskins have to do with your fantasy , i think your on some serious wrong meds. i suggest you tell your doctor the pills aren't working

Instead of showing any proof of even one of the things mentioned you bablle on like an incoherent idiot...

Please do us a favour and dont breed.

Originally Posted by shaman

shit... its really true, that 'americans' are total paranoics, you probably need some special attention man... but not on gfy... on some good hospital...
who cares about wtc? youre writing like someone who dies there... you died there? no? so stfu and take care about your job... rednecks from america hehe... even not real peoples from there... where are indians/redskins now you wtc psycho? the real peoples of america you stupid motherfucker? hehe

stfu biatch, dont post anymore please

Originally Posted by shaman

i dont need more proofs than your post, you are completly fucked up and youre mind is washed by something whats called 'propaganda' in your lang (because you dont know this word and dont understand any lang more than english) government manipulation, the REAL USA 'citizen'... you are so stupid like most peoples from your country... country... yeah good word you taked for your language for pure rednecks... country... lol

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Quote:

Please point out to me where I stated that "driving a car is the same as a plane"? .

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Flying a small plane is no more difficult than driving a car.

Originally Posted by shaman

i dont need more proofs than your post, you are completly fucked up and youre mind is washed by something whats called 'propaganda' in your lang (because you dont know this word and dont understand any lang more than english) government manipulation, the REAL USA 'citizen'... you are so stupid like most peoples from your country... country... yeah good word you taked for your language for pure rednecks... country... lol

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Well.. I can't speak for him, but as far as 'redskins'.. I'm a direct descendant of one of the tribal leaders of the Cherokee Nation.. I know that was then and this is now, but 'then' the gov't did some pretty shitty things when it came to native Americans, which is no secret.. But this being now, and as far as who cares about the wtc incident.. LOTS of people care.. Don't know where you're from and it doesn't really matter, but cockiness is sometimes a sign of ignorance..

Originally Posted by shaman

yeah good word you taked for your language for pure rednecks... country... lol

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

having trouble with your memory.. ?

How old are you ?

Originally Posted by KRL

The white man aka US Government did take your land.

There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.

That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

dude string together a coherent statement please, nobody can uderstand your drivel.

Your one of the growing number of people who seem to not understand english.

You didnt even read the thread but you think you know how i feel ? stop smoking the crack son.. I idnt post any "theories" i posted 3 questions.. none of which you have answered or come close to answering..

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

Over and out as I have work to do. In addition as I have stated I am not into arguing with immature board whores or even mature board whores.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

When all else fails and i cant make an argument ill try shooting for a typo

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.

Originally Posted by KRL

The white man aka US Government did take your land.

There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.

That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.

Originally Posted by Splum

Lol ok what you heard MUST be the truth then? Give me a break the chain of command was too long in this instance and the 911 report CLEARLY explains why jets were NOT scrambled that day.

The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this. The official report says that the fire and subsequent damage IS what brought down the buildings.

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Your post now is simply troll bait Smokey, at first I thought you were serious but now your subtle insuations do not even hold water. The reasons have been explained and are quite evident, you just refuse to believe the answers.

If you choose to believe there is some "other" explanation than the official version why dont you just come out and explain it to us. Please provide the relevent expert testimony as well, just to make it even with the official version.

In the end I hate to put you on my post whore list but I might have to.

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Then bitch when they want to put a casino on a reservation.. where there'd be no tax obligations..

Oh well.. I wasn't there, so I can't act like I'm offended and owed.. That'd be like the black folks bitching about being owed because of the slavery days.. which was another chapter in the history books..

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."

Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.

I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.

Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Again.. you did yourself deeper....

These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172..

A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how ?easy? it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the ?open sky?. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot..
For a person not conversant with the practical complexities of pilotage, a modern flight simulator could present a terribly confusing and disorienting experience. These complex training devices are not even remotely similar to the video games one sees in amusement arcades, or even the software versions available for home computers.

In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted ?hard? instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying ?blind?, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn?t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as ?IFR?, or Instrument Flight Rules.

Nila Sagadevan, aeronautical engineer, pilot.

He must be one of those wack jobs that doesn't know the truth..

But then you have your Microsoft 2000 flight simulator, so you are the authority...

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Ok.. I understood and accepted it...

they said the fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel.. Which is what I've said..

Oh no.. that means if you agree with that site, you agree with me!

As for the rest of it... Lots of could have's and may have's.. like I responded earlier...

You're right.. simple terms..

Keep digging

Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.

Originally Posted by Mr. Soul

People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.

Originally Posted by Splum

The official report(s) actually do explain why the towers fell and why jets werent scrambled.
1. Look no one anticipated in the 1970s when the WTC was built that a 9000 pound molotov cocktail would be slamming into it, what you fail to understand is that these planes were FILLED WITH FUEL which shot into the building at the point of impact.
2. The chain of command for jets being scrambled was long(because of safeguards which are needed) and the airlines/low level officials had a policy of cooperating with terrorists not considering they planes would be used as bombs.
3. What Pentagon videos do you speak of? There is only one that I was aware of.

Look I think the bottom line is that you WISH something was amiss but quite frankly as tragedies go this one is pretty cut and dried to most logical people. Sure after the fact many politicians and people of power took advantage of 9/11 but lets not confuse the exploitation of 9/11 with the actual tragedy itself.

Originally Posted by FetishTom

Damn I thought the Smokey Bear and Soulman had given up - ah well cannot be arsed to trawl through all their rantings but it does seem people have started to work out the Smokey game! !

Originally Posted by Splum

The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

hopefully this will put to silence once and for all , all the people who use the word conspiracy incorectly when referring to 9/11 because they are to lazy or stubborn to look it up themselves
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CONSPIRACY ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sphahaha238;r-s)

Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Dude they didnt train on a small plane. They trained on simulators for 747 and up. There are simulators all over the world like that.

Originally Posted by BuySexProducts

FUEL DOESN'T HEAT UP ENOUGH TO BURN THOSE STEAL BEAMS IN THE WTC HOMEBOY!

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

It was not tens of thousands of gallons of fuel. A 767 fuel capacity is a little under 24,000 gallons, and they are not normally fueled to capacity on intercontinental flights. Most of the fuel was burned off in the explosion, and the fuel that wasnt would have burned itself off quickly.

If burning jet fuel was capable of melting metal why in the hell doesnt it burn the inner components of a jet engine?

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, it doesn't silence me.

If your calling a "consipiracy" a simple act of two or more people planning and then committing a crime, then yes, this was in fact a conspiracy - A conspiracy commited by over a dozen people who weren't citizens of the United States.

I think a consipiracy is much much more than just this simple act. Usually the terms is a reference to the government covering something up.

I like this much better:

CONSPIRACY
Common non-legal usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some improper goal, generally with negative connotations.

Did our Government cover anything up? I find it highly unlikely when the head of a terrorist organization is saying they did it.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I hate to break it to you fetishtom , but we are on the same side you are just too stupid to realise it yet.

Instead of blathering on with idiotic statements , heres a concept for you.. try making a coherent statement on the 3 questions that i asked.. we are well aware you can type on and on and say nothing but can you actually read comprehend and respond with anything valid..? that has yet to be proven..

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Not true. Atta got ONE DAY on a 727 simulator ... one fucking day ... He is a very fast learner:



Why do you always say things without knowing about it ... you basically just repeat stuff you heard or what ?