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shit... its really true, that 'americans' are total paranoics, you probably need some special attention man... but not on gfy... on some good hospital...Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearI'm Sick of hearing from all the cowardly people completely trash the rights of those who have died to have an adequate investigation. Grow up show some respect , if you had family members killed in a horrific way , dont you think you would deserve to hear from the people in charge of protecting you, why they fucked up ?
REGARDLESS of who did 9/11 , even IF the "official" story is true . some people have some explaining to do.
The aren't nameless faceless people , these are real people who can come forward and give us the truth or at the very least own up to the mistakes they made.
#1 when a plane flies into restricted airspace or flies off its designted course and cant be reached fighter jets are dispatched. This isnt new , this was well before 9/11 , so i would like to hear from the guy whos JOB is to scramble the jets , and i would like to hear from the fighters themselves. If your job is to protect us from hijacked airplanes WHO didnt do their job and WHY , they cause 1000's of people to DIE , these are people fathers and mothers and sons. If you killed someone's daughter because you fucked up at your job, wouldnt there be an investigation. well someone obviously fucked up , and since they didnt get fired obviously because there wasn't a proper investigation , that means they are still doing the job that they were doing when they fucked up.. do you feel safe protected by the same people that fucked up at their job when they were supposed to be protecting us..
#2 the guy and company responsible for building wtc , i want to know why you said it would not fall and it did. simple question , people who worked in wtc felt safe because you told them it was safe, you fucked up , someone needs to be fired or change the way you build buildings.
#3 the pentagon videos , where are they.. lets see them.
Show these people the respect they deserve.
Anyone who doesnt think we deserve an explanation is lost in their own ignorance. I hope your family never has to be protected by the same people in charge of protecting us on 9/11, because you wont even be treated with enough respect to actually hear from them..
and no i dont want to hear missile theories and endless false inuendo. Im not presenting any theories , there are no cool videos to go along or tinfoil hats , just a few simple questions, so if your going to insult someone insult me and leave your allegations at home.
who cares about wtc? youre writing like someone who dies there... you died there? no? so stfu and take care about your job... rednecks from america hehe... even not real peoples from there... where are indians/redskins now you wtc psycho? the real peoples of america you stupid motherfucker? hehe
stfu biatch, dont post anymore please
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Quote:Originally posted by Linksterthat is totally incorrect - he has 48 hours to consult with Congress as per the War Powers Act of 1973 - Congress then has 90 days to authorize it or the President has to remove whatever forces he inserted and congress would remove any financing of the action.
The real reason that no one has taken action on this one is because Congress was so mis-led by the Presidents advisors as the Iraqs seeking WMD and "the mushroom cloud terrorism" scenario, they all just signed off on it
Now if you want to get into the real conspiracy theories - a bunch of people out there believe that the Anthrax attack was designed to further that fear in congress to insure approval of the War powers - it doesnt help that since 9/11 at least 10 of the leading microbioligists in this country have either dissapeared or been found dead (in kinda mysterious circumstances like floating in the Miss River) - and all were the top researchers dealing with biological agents ranging from Anthrax to Flu virii
Originally Posted by Linkster
You might want to check your facts before you post stupid shit - like Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and the War Powers Act of 1973 which both lay down the exact requirements the President must follow in wars.
I dont know where you got your misunderstanding of the law but its way off base
Of course every president that has been involved with a war since Truman has neglected to follow the Constitution - most of them got around it by never actually declaring a "war"
Also your "fact" about the time requirements is wrong - if the President does use force he must inform Congress within 48 HOURs and Congress must then either declare a war or disapprove of it within 90 days - again something they havent done but thats just because most Americans are just as misinformed as you are
I am cognizant of Article I Section 8 and I am cognizant of the 1973 "resolution" known as the War Powers Act. The War Powers act is a non binding "resolution" as is the nature of a "resolution". Many constitutional legal scholars believe that the "resolution" is not within the Constitutional powers of Congress and I would assume that is why it was passed as a resolution. Many constitutional scholars maintain that the Congress does not have the power to over ride Article II Section II of the constitution which designates the President to be the Commander in Chief of the military.
Maybe you can point out the "48 HOURS" that the "resolution" states the President must report to congress as I cannot seem to find it.
As for me being misinformed, maybe you should rethink that position.Last edited by Sexxxy Sites; 03-29-2006, 12:49 PM.Comment
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Ok.. I understood and accepted it...Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
they said the fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel.. Which is what I've said..
Oh no.. that means if you agree with that site, you agree with me!
As for the rest of it... Lots of could have's and may have's.. like I responded earlier...
You're right.. simple terms..
Keep digging
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what exactly are you trying to say , you have no evidence of anything and can't put together a coherent statement.. congrats thanks for cintributing absolutley nothing to the conversation..Originally posted by shamanshit... its really true, that 'americans' are total paranoics, you probably need some special attention man... but not on gfy... on some good hospital...
who cares about wtc? youre writing like someone who dies there... you died there? no? so stfu and take care about your job... rednecks from america hehe... even not real peoples from there... where are indians/redskins now you wtc psycho? the real peoples of america you stupid motherfucker? hehe
stfu biatch, dont post anymore please
The difference between me and you is i post facts , you post nothing but your own ignorance..
Heres your first clue.. dead people dont write anything moron. Who knows what the fuck indians and redskins have to do with your fantasy , i think your on some serious wrong meds. i suggest you tell your doctor the pills aren't working
Instead of showing any proof of even one of the things mentioned you bablle on like an incoherent idiot...
Please do us a favour and dont breed.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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what a fucking dipshit... that about boils up what you base your opinions onOriginally posted by Sexxxy Sites
duh driving a car is the same as a plane lol
I nominate that for inbred statement of the year awardhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."
Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.
I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.
Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.
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Again you show your "true stupidity"Originally posted by Splum
false fact after false fact , just pile up as you speak.. I have posted several pictures.. "you even make sure its the only images you posted" so thats a lie..
"You know damn well when posting this shit you would get opposing views,"
yes and.... .... thats why i posted 3 facts to debate, you havent even started.. im waiting for someone to actually debate the topic posted in the thread.. perhaps you should go look back on page #1 and start from there. So far your still making up theories in your head. i have posted 3 facts that require an investigation , and nobody has given me any reason why they shouldnt be.. they just talk about bush and missiles and etc etc that hasnt been mentioned.. most people dont even read the first thread before they post
I'm sorry if you got offended that i am frustrated with people who dont understand basic english , but it gets frustrating teaching people how to comprehend english.
Half the people in this thread cant even understand the basic concept of what a conspiracy is..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Those questions arent for us and werent posed in my 3 questions that need to be answered. How bout you start with the 3 unanswered questions FIRST and then you will have a proper basis to judge the rest of it..Originally posted by spanky part 2"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."
Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.
I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.
Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.
I didnt speculate as to what caused the collapse or who or why. All i asked for is an investigation to honour the unanswered question from the official report for the people that died.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Getting sick of this now...
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oh and speculating on where someone has been that you have never met is foolish to say the least. nor does it have anything to do with the 3 questions posed in this thread.. NOTHING at allhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Quote:Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites
Flying a small plane is no more difficult than driving a car. Once you learn to fly a small plane learning to fly a large plane (having practiced on a simulator and learning certain characteristics) is no more difficult than flying a small plane.
I am out of here.
Please point out to me where I stated that "driving a car is the same as a plane"? You have obnoxiously complained about people having a reading comprehension problem when it appears that you have the very same problem. I have driven both a car and various planes. I have not flown a jumbo but I have flown twin engine planes. Once you have flown a small single engine aircraft (which is as easy as driving a car) stepping up to a larger aircraft is a very small step (once you have learned the characteristics of the aircraft). Maybe you do not drive or fly.
This is the last statement I will make on this subject as I am not into arguing with an immature board whore. BTW, maybe you deserve the "inbred statement of the year award" rather than I.Comment
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i dont need more proofs than your post, you are completly fucked up and youre mind is washed by something whats called 'propaganda' in your lang (because you dont know this word and dont understand any lang more than english) government manipulation, the REAL USA 'citizen'... you are so stupid like most peoples from your country... country... yeah good word you taked for your language for pure rednecks... country... lolOriginally posted by SmokeyTheBearLast edited by shaman; 03-29-2006, 01:26 PM.theres no sig ;)Comment
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Well.. I can't speak for him, but as far as 'redskins'.. I'm a direct descendant of one of the tribal leaders of the Cherokee Nation.. I know that was then and this is now, but 'then' the gov't did some pretty shitty things when it came to native Americans, which is no secret.. But this being now, and as far as who cares about the wtc incident.. LOTS of people care.. Don't know where you're from and it doesn't really matter, but cockiness is sometimes a sign of ignorance..Originally posted by shamanshit... its really true, that 'americans' are total paranoics, you probably need some special attention man... but not on gfy... on some good hospital...
who cares about wtc? youre writing like someone who dies there... you died there? no? so stfu and take care about your job... rednecks from america hehe... even not real peoples from there... where are indians/redskins now you wtc psycho? the real peoples of america you stupid motherfucker? hehe
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Originally posted by shaman
Do you speak Martian or are you just drunk?Comment
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Originally posted by Sexxxy Siteshaving trouble with your memory.. ?Originally posted by Sexxxy Sites
How old are you ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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dude string together a coherent statement please, nobody can uderstand your drivel.Originally posted by shaman
Your one of the growing number of people who seem to not understand english.
You didnt even read the thread but you think you know how i feel ? stop smoking the crack son.. I idnt post any "theories" i posted 3 questions.. none of which you have answered or come close to answering..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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The white man aka US Government did take your land.Originally posted by Scootermuze
There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.
That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.
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Now america invented englishOriginally posted by shaman give it up son, you cant even speak the language , dont get ahead of yourself trying to comprehend what it means.
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Quote:Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearhaving trouble with your memory.. ?
How old are you ?
Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites
Flying a small plane is no more difficult than driving a car. Once you learn to fly a small plane learning to fly a large plane (having practiced on a simulator and learning certain characteristics) is no more difficult than flying a small plane.
You have a reading comprehension problem that you accuse others of having and a problem with word definition. For your edification "easy" and "same" are not synonymous.
Over and out as I have work to do. In addition as I have stated I am not into arguing with immature board whores or even mature board whores.Comment
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isn't that how every country was founded ? I'm not saying it was right , but every country basically has had this happen at some point or another..Originally posted by KRLThe white man aka US Government did take your land.
There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.
That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.
Indians were just asians who crossed the land bridge when it existed..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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It is apparent that english is a second lanquage for him and while you accuse him of not understanding english it is apparent that you do not know how to spell in english. Is english per chance your second language?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearLast edited by Sexxxy Sites; 03-29-2006, 01:46 PM.Comment
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I wouldnt argue with people when you dont have a single valid point either... you should have thought about that before you posted.. or perhaps started with answering the first post in this threadOriginally posted by Sexxxy Sites
but then again you would have to deal with reality and not conjecture..
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Originally posted by Sexxxy Sites your a funny guy , after all that the best you could come up with is a typo . 
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I for one have no idea what brought them down..Originally posted by spanky part 2Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.
But here we have the only 3 buildings in the history of steel framed that fell
due to fire.. All next to each other.. All falling with within a short time span.. All falling in the very same manner (one with only 2 smallish fires) .. melted steel.. concrete turning to dust.. sections of the buildings closed off for cable repair/maintenance a few days before the attacks.. Fema conveniently being in the vicinity for preparedness drills on the day of the attack..
Anyone that gives it much thought can't help but have a few questions..Comment
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btw what did i spell wrong ? i'm curious now.. i never claimed to be a master speller but might as well point it out now that you have said it..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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did you mean the 1 missing "n" in understand ? thats your whole argument , and you typo'd the complaint AFTER editing it ? LOL grow uphatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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There are many,many things I would like to comment on in this thread but I am not going to for 2 reasons:
#1 I don't have the time
#2 I will proberbly get beaten by someone..Comment
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Then bitch when they want to put a casino on a reservation.. where there'd be no tax obligations..Originally posted by KRLThe white man aka US Government did take your land.
There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.
That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.
Oh well.. I wasn't there, so I can't act like I'm offended and owed.. That'd be like the black folks bitching about being owed because of the slavery days.. which was another chapter in the history books..Comment
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Originally posted by SplumLol ok what you heard MUST be the truth then? Give me a break the chain of command was too long in this instance and the 911 report CLEARLY explains why jets were NOT scrambled that day.
The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this. The official report says that the fire and subsequent damage IS what brought down the buildings.
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Your post now is simply troll bait Smokey, at first I thought you were serious but now your subtle insuations do not even hold water. The reasons have been explained and are quite evident, you just refuse to believe the answers.
If you choose to believe there is some "other" explanation than the official version why dont you just come out and explain it to us. Please provide the relevent expert testimony as well, just to make it even with the official version.
In the end I hate to put you on my post whore list but I might have to.
Oh my dear God, you're so full of shit. Not a single non-government engineer has ever said anything close to that on the record. In fact I've heard many tenured professors of physics and engineering say the exact opposite. Keep your head buried in the sand if you're too cowardly to consider anything other than official government explanation, but stop making shit up to make yourself feel better. Makes you look really stupid.Comment
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I'd have to agree, the USA fucked over the blacks even worse during the hundred years we kept them as slaves and the other hundred where they had minimal civil rights.Originally posted by Scootermuze If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
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Originally posted by spanky part 2"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."
Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.
I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.
Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.
People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.Comment
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Dude they didnt train on a small plane. They trained on simulators for 747 and up. There are simulators all over the world like that.Originally posted by ScootermuzeComment
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You DID NOT understand it then. Reread it and come back. No one but you wackos has said the metal melted. It was weakened by more than half by the heat.Originally posted by ScootermuzeOk.. I understood and accepted it...
they said the fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel.. Which is what I've said..
Oh no.. that means if you agree with that site, you agree with me!
As for the rest of it... Lots of could have's and may have's.. like I responded earlier...
You're right.. simple terms..
Keep digging
Let me make this easy. Do you think that steel stays exactly the same stength while it is being heated UNTIL it hits the magic melting tempeture? Silly silly kids.Comment
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Damn I thought the Smokey Bear and Soulman had given up - ah well cannot be arsed to trawl through all their rantings but it does seem people have started to work out the Smokey game!Originally posted by Mr. Soul
As for the man of soul - and I picked on this answer/post because it was the last on the thread at time of writing - I mean dude you seriously consider the above an adaquate response to a reasonable observation? But congrats to you on one thing and that is in two separate threads you have done more to discredit the 'It was the US Govt that did it!' then a whole army of conspiracy doubters!
As for good old Smokey. On the whole its been fun smacking you around but you have overplayed it now and people are starting to refuse to join in so give it up dude as it is now a game of diminishing returns!Comment
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You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I lived next to the buildings and don't remember any large masses of people being evacuated in the days and weeks before 9-11. I think I would have noticed 10's of thousands of people on the streets.Originally posted by Mr. Soul
You are talking shit to someone who does know. Here's a little test for you on you knowledge. How many subway lines stopped at the wtc? What was the name of the donut shop at the wtc? Was there or was there not a McDonalds there? Where was the shopping mall located?
My bet is you can't answer any of these questions and are completely full of shit.
You are talking about my hood, where I spent a major portion of my life. So yes I do know what I am talking about.Comment
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FUEL DOESN'T HEAT UP ENOUGH TO BURN THOSE STEAL BEAMS IN THE WTC HOMEBOY!Originally posted by Splum“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”Comment
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haha fetishtom is back to talk more smack but cant backup anything he says with any facts , typical pointless and childish. you were played out halfway through this thread as another moron who cant read properly..Originally posted by FetishTomDamn I thought the Smokey Bear and Soulman had given up - ah well cannot be arsed to trawl through all their rantings but it does seem people have started to work out the Smokey game! !
I said come back when you have proof , not more drivel..
Try answering one of the three questions in the beginning of this thread you have failed to address.
Bah on sheepboy
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Jaheeeezus!!!! Here you're saying that the engineers CONFIRMED that the steel columns melted...Originally posted by Splum
Then in another reply you give me this:
Where it says: While the fire would not have been hot enough to melt any of the steel,.....Here are your FACTS buddy
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
You really need to make up your mind about what you believe..
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No, it doesn't silence me.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
If your calling a "consipiracy" a simple act of two or more people planning and then committing a crime, then yes, this was in fact a conspiracy - A conspiracy commited by over a dozen people who weren't citizens of the United States.
I think a consipiracy is much much more than just this simple act. Usually the terms is a reference to the government covering something up.
I like this much better:
CONSPIRACY
Common non-legal usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some improper goal, generally with negative connotations.
Did our Government cover anything up? I find it highly unlikely when the head of a terrorist organization is saying they did it.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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I hate to break it to you fetishtom , but we are on the same side you are just too stupid to realise it yet.
Instead of blathering on with idiotic statements , heres a concept for you.. try making a coherent statement on the 3 questions that i asked.. we are well aware you can type on and on and say nothing but can you actually read comprehend and respond with anything valid..? that has yet to be proven..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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This has to be the friendliest thread of the month so far.
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Not true. Atta got ONE DAY on a 727 simulator ... one fucking day ... He is a very fast learner:Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Why do you always say things without knowing about it ... you basically just repeat stuff you heard or what ?In March 2000, while still in Germany, Atta contacted 31 different U.S. flight schools to discuss training to fly planes.
Atta traveled to Prague, stayed overnight, and then entered the U.S. on June 3. Atta and earlier arrived hijackers opened bank accounts and continue to check on flight schools.
In July, Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi enrolled at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. Atta claimed to be of royal Saudi descent and presented Marwan as his bodyguard.
Both earned their instrument certificates from the FAA in November. On November 5th, Atta purchased flight deck videos for Boeing 747-200 and Boeing 757-200 models from Sporty's Pilot Shop in Batavia, Ohio.
On December 11th, Atta purchased additional flight deck videos for Airbus A320 and Boeing 767-300ER models from the same store in Ohio. On December 21st, both Atta and Marwan are granted their pilot licenses. On the 26th or 27th, Atta and Marwan abandoned a Piper Cherokee that had stalled on the runway of Miami International Airport. On the 29th, Atta and Marwan went to the Opa-Locka Airport and practised on a Boeing 727 simulator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_AttaI know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Read the whole fuckin thread next time eh? Ill repeat it.Originally posted by BuySexProducts
Let me make this easy. Do you think that steel stays exactly the same stength while it is being heated UNTIL it hits the magic melting tempeture? Silly silly kids.Comment
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Oh Christ. I suck at math, but clearly you have no idea of what the numbers really represent.Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Twenty four thousand gallons is in fact "tens of thousands" of gallons.
This all makes perfect sense to me now. There are people on GFY saying they are having horrible ratios. Chances are this is because they can't do third grade math.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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Thats where your wrong, the government has nothing to do with the definiton or the usage of the word unless specifically implied .. i.e. ( government conspiracy )Originally posted by Rochard
You were under a false impression of the meaning of the word, dont feel bad i was under the same false impression until i read the first 9/11 reporthatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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i would like to add one more question, WHAT DID SADDAM HAVE TO DO WITH 9/11?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”Comment
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Ok so then. You just proved that the terrorists DID train to fly a large commercial airplane... NOW Why would they do that if it was all a GOVERNMENT conspiracy? Hmmmmmmmmm nice work Einstein lolOriginally posted by directfiesta
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or did the 9/11 hijackers NOT work in secret to obtain an improper goal with a negative conotation ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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