300...,......

like i said come back when you have more than the sound of your flapping gums , your of no use to me anymore .. except maybe as entertainment ( although rather juvenile but funny nonetheless )

All I wanna know is which flavor of JELL-O? ??? :eek7

Those sounds are so fucking fake. If they were actually as loud as he has them on the tape in NEW JERSEY, I would be deaf right now.

I have seen just about every piece of film on 9-11 as well as being there, and this is the first time I have ever heard these "booms".

You would think that some other tape that was maybe a little closer to the action than Hoboken, would have the same sounds.

How about those little helicopters he kept pointing out. What was there like 5 of them. Did he ever think that maybe those were the same 2 helicopters going in and out of his field of view? Probably not, there must have been 5 of them dropping bombs.

Good lord, some of you are a perfect reason we should never outlaw abortion.

there are many many clips of the buildings before during and after their fall
and almost all of them...especially the ones from all the news agencies talk about the booms and describe them as secondary explosions

i never got the bombing by helicopters...i could see a possible detonation plan but they werent bombing the thing


2 or 5 it doesnt matter

something really fishy went on there...the constant speculation should be a clue...10 million man march on washington is needed

and to end on the same note you did...keep your head in the sand...i know the truth is bitter

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Ya know, I thank God there are people out there that have it in them to question the government. What kind of world do you think we would have if nobody questioned anything? You people that put others down for doing it shouldnt call yourselves Americans.

Just to add in two more theories floating around that kinda answer two questions in this thread:
(and I am not stating that I follow any of these - just stating facts)
First - Bin Laden has been with Bush - and his father many times. His name was Tim Osman (Ossman) when he was working with the CIA a long time ago - of course that brings up the point that answers why we didnt go after Saddam during the first war - the US had provided most of the WMD's to Saddam that he used during the Iran-Iraq war - the intermediary used was bin Laden working with the CIA. The US didnt really want to reveal pictures of the WMD with US company names written all over it - we had done the supplying as Russia was supplying Iran at the time and we were still in that little cold war era.
Which is why we always knew that Saddam had WMD at some point - that chemical weapon he used to wipe out one village was supplied by the US

Again - no theories here - this is just all ancient history that most Americans have either forgotten that are as old as me or just dont care about.
Although I should throw in the newest theory that most of the tapes that have been released of Bin Laden have been discounted by the Arab world as fakes - including his own mother - but thats just some fuel for the fire :)

Second - in a kinda answer to the statement about the worlds billionaires making a killing and sitting back at the country club - yeah that part really happened - it was actually a celebrity golf tournament hosted by Warren Buffett (not something he would normally do as he is not known to very charitable) but he planned this one quite a while in advance - seems that golf course was on the grounds of U.S. Strategic Command headquarters located at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha Nebraska - which is the same place Bush was flown to later in the day. Seems one other person was flown there earlier in the day (as a matter of fact she arrived just to watch as the plane entered the side of the building right on her floor right in her office window) and for some reason she also normally didnt partake of charity events - but being the chief executive of Fudiciary Trust Co and her office being right where the plane aimed in and her being at exactly the same place that day as two other people just doesnt add up. But then Anne Tatlock did control $44 bill in assets and it probably wouldnt have been right for her to die along with her 89 employees that did die in her office space.

That concept is really quite juvenile.
Seriously if there was a "conspiracy" of any kind prepared to go to that extreme,,,,

It would be much simpler to plant "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq.
Rally the world against Iraq.
Then nuke that fucking goat farm of a country.
Then claim the Iraq oil fields for our own as spoils of war.

All the while saving thousands of American lives.

#1. Much simpler.
#2. Much more beneficial to the USA.

Hey, the argument is over. The guy they have on the stand said today that Bin Laden approved the plan, all the hijackers are the same guys the feds said they were and he himself and the shoe bomber were supposed to hijack another plane and fly it into the White House. Just what the prosecution wanted to hear all ducks neat in a row. So no conspiracy, just a bunch of foreigners who somehow beat the entire security network. Astounding work. Just genius on their part.

So no need for any more threads or questions. It's over. Case closed.

Let me guess you think the guy was a plant. He is ready to sit in a cell for life, or face the death penalty to help Bush pull off his evil plan. MUhahahaMuahahahMuahhahahahahaha :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm all for questioning the government, and I really resent you questioning my patriotism. Like I said in previous posts, I absolutely despise this current administration. I think they are the most corrupt that we have ever had and probably will ever see.

That said, the size and scope of this "conspiracy" would have to be so huge and include so many people, that it just seems ridiculous to me. All the people "in on it" would be in the thousands if not tens of thousands, and no one would leak info. Please.

I was there that day, and have just a tad different perspective than you people watching it on tv. It's just like the Iraq war, it looks terrible to me on tv, but I bet the guys over there think it's a million times worse. In reality, I have no clue, because I have never been there. Just like you armchair engineers.

It really doesnt take an engineer to see there is something not quite right with this picture. There are just to many things about this that doesnt add up. Do I think the govt did this? I have no idea and would hope not. Do I think there's more than we're being told? Definitely.

It is not out of the realm of possibilities that this was all a big setup and if there is even a 1% chance that thats what happened we need to know. The Nazi's did something similar and was able to gain complete control of Germany because of it, so why would one think its so impossible here?

I would like to think that George Bush senior is such an American patriot that he himself would shoot "GW" in the head for such a traitorous act.

But after that travesty of a Presidential election in Florida,
I just might listen to anything at least once.
That Florida fiasco might have been believable in any other state than the only one governed by another BUSH family member.

America itself is great.
The politicians are a cancer.

That's absolutely stupid. Tens of thousands of people? What a horribly uninformed statement. Dozens of knowing accomplices at most, and then maybe a couple dozen agents who had limited info and were just following orders. If it only took 19 hijackers according to your insane conspiracy theory, then why would it take tens of thousands of Americans? How do you even come up with something so absurd? If you want to talk impossible, talk to any structural engineer who has examined the collapses and have him explain how this could happen from a simple fire. It is impossible, unless somehow the laws of physics were suspended on that day. Yeah, and they found one of the terrorist's passports on top of the rubble. The planes were incinerated but a piece of paper from a man's pocket survived. You government apologists literally believe modern day fairy tales. I would be surprised if a 6 year old would believe a story like that, yet apparently at least 30-40% of ADULTS in the US believe this. It would be comical if it weren't so terrifying.

Most of the cover up is people just wanting to keep the status quo. The news agencies are not directly involved, they just do what they always do and report what the government wants them to report, and nothing more.

It became pretty obvious that the government was directly involved when they authenticated the fake Bin Laden confession tape. To this date this is the only evidence that anyone has that Bin Laden was involved, after all the Al Qeada documents and computers they've seized, they've never found one thing about the 9/11 attacks. That tape was the most obvious fake I've ever seen, of course the only quote it on TV, they don't play it, but anyone who's seen it would have no doubt that it's fake. It's a completely different guy. Different nose, different eyes, different face, different voice. Yet to this date morons will say "Bin Laden confessed!"

The conspirators knew that the majority of people would rather pretend to be asleep than to face the consequences that would come from knowing the truth. They also knew that most people would make up ways to justify ignoring the conspiracy possibility, as you have. You're basically saying that it would be impossible to carry out, so let's just accept the cover up and not investigate. As the Chinese say, it's impossible to wake up a man who is pretending to sleep. I suspect that in their hearts, at least 90% of Americans know that their government is responsible for 9/11. They're just too scared to admit it to themselves.

The Iraq war was secondary, the primary goal of the staged 9/11 attacks were to have us willingly give up our rights, as we have in a major way ever since. They wanted us to submit to an authoritarian system like America has not had since the revolution, and we have. Many of our forefathers died for the rights that we have basically chosen to give away because of the fear instilled in us by the horrible attacks. We're basically a police state now and we're so scared that we're not complaining.

"Sure, search my bag randomly, wire tap my phone and search my home without a warrant, and demand that I show ID for ridding the bus. Just as long as the government is keeping us safe from big bad Bin Laden"


Every single person who defends the criminals who commited this crime, everyone who attacks and insults the people who are fighting for the truth, is the worst kind of coward and traitor.

When the government tells it's law enforcement officers that patriots are terrorists, you have to wake up and realize that it's the other way around.


http://www.infowars.com/articles/ter...rro rists.htm

For cryin' out loud! The dude Moussaui confessed! Argument is OVER. Case closed. Call it a fucking day. The end. -30- . Kaput.

And the bewildered heard is still believing everything we've been told from our birth. They won't lie to me, not on my own damn TV. But how much is a liar's word worth?

Unless you're talking about a different time, the shoe bomber tried to detonate the bomb in his shoe, but was stopped..
He wasn't trying to hijack a plane..

and it'll never be over til lots of questions are answered.. not a simple confession from a guy that the gov't has been in control of for.. how long..?

Oh.. the guy that had a girl brought over from Kuwait and attend some acting type school so her story about babies being taken from their incubators and put on the floors would sound credible?

Bush Jr. didn't corner the market on fabricating stories for war support ..

moussaui confessing doesnt answer any of the questions people have .

I dont think many people doubt that arabs hijacked the planes. Thats not really the main unanswered questions..

Just because arabs hijacked the planes doesnt give any insight into why wtc7 fell , what the explosions in base of wtc1 were , what hit the pentagon . how steel melts at less than half the required temperature., how steel can melt but not burn clothes off people. etc etc

It seems as if most people have no concept of history, even recent history like Nazi Germany and especially the USSR. Someone who has been in government custody confesses after 3 years and there are actually people saying "case closed, that proves everything, no need for evidence". Too fucking funny. No one has ever confessed to something untrue. No wonder Stalinism was able to survive so long. It's a hell of a lot easier to close your eyes and submit than it is to do the right thing and fight back. Pathetic, weak little cowards, all of you. History will vindicate the brave souls standing up against tyranny, it always does.

Government apologists are basically unwitting accomplices and will certainly be on the wrong side of history. Like the people near the Nazi death camps who said they didn't know what the black smoke coming from the camps was. You're intentionally remaining ignorant and turning a blind eye to make your lives easier. There's no way to describe someone who fights against an open investigation other than a coward and a traitor.

Equally uninformed - You have no more idea how many people it would take to plan, formulate and carry out the attacks than he does! Love the way you quote 'Dozens of knowing acomplices at most'. Very authoritive. How many attacks of this nature have you planned to be so confident? Guess work presented as fact as per fuckin usual!

Rent the movie " Queimada " directed by Gillo Pontecorvo starring Marlon Brando...

Very briefly, it is the British government sending Brando to find a " local " to be a liberation hero, the one that would guide the independance of this tiny sugar producing island.

The premises was that it was cheaper to buy the sugar from an " independant " island than keep it as a Brittish territory or possession ...

Money is THE bottom line.

How many people were involved in burning down the Reichstag? Tens of thousands? It's common sense that this could be pulled off by several dozen high level people. There is no conceivable way that it would take anywhere close to one thousand, let alone ten thousand. There's a large difference between guesswork and sense.

You people do realize that your ass is not designed to fit your entire head, right? When you people grow up and develop a nut sack you will see the truth staring you in the face.

No shit. And this has precisely what to do with my post?

it pretty well boils down to this.. your either with the majority of america and feel the following people and their families deserve an investigation , or your a cowardly sicko who thinks these people deserved to die without a proper investigation.

http://www.u-blog.net/COUFFINBAGAY/i...erson-jump.jpg

whats it gonna be folks.. ? theres no harm in having an investigation.. theres alot of harm without one. At the very least we should figure out why building built to withstand multiple planes hitting them fall much easier than buildings not built to withstand planes hitting them , and maybe we should check other buildings and see if they are built with the same butter steel in wtc

That is a powerfull and sad picture...

If you ever saw the french documentary, you actually hear the bodies hitting either some canopys or the ground... pretty sad..

http://www.frenchculture.org/tv/programs/naudet911.html

I did not say, imply or infer that ten thousand people were involved in burning down the Reichstag. Linking the two statements is cheap. For the record I have no idea how many people were involved in burning down the Reichstag and in fact no-one actually knows. Usually it is informed guesswork and open to challenge.

Secondly burning a building down at night in 1933 is a world away from crashing passenger jets into prominent targets on US soil in broad daylight in terms of planning, logistics and execution.

Thirdly you railed against the poster for saying tens of thousands and then go and make the same error by presenting your own estimation as fact ie to undertake this operation would take 'dozens of knowing accomplices at most'. Like how would you know how many 'at most' it took to carry out the 9/11 attacks. You don't know how many 'at most' it actually took. So stop presenting your theories and guesswork as fact.

several people have some answering to do REGARDLESS of who did 9/11 , even if the "official" story is true .

The aren't nameless faceless people , these are real people who can come forward and give us the truth.

#1 when a plane flies into restricted airspace or flies off its designted course and cant be reached fighter jets are dispatched. This isnt new , this was well before 9/11 , so i would like to hear from the guy whos JOB is to scramble the jets , and i would like to hear from the fighters themselves. If your job is to protect us from hijacked airplanes WHO didnt do their job and WHY , they cause 1000's of people to DIE , these are people fathers and mothers and sons. If you killed someone's daughter because you fucked up at your job, wouldnt there be an investigation. well someone obviously fucked up , and since they didnt get fired obviously because there wasn't a proper investigation , that means they are still doing the job that they were doing when they fucked up.. do you feel safe protected by the same people that fucked up at their job when they were supposed to be protecting us..

#2 the guy and company responsible for building wtc , i want to know why you said it would not fall and it did. simple question , people who worked in wtc felt safe because you told them it was safe, you fucked up , someone needs to be fired or change the way you build buildings.

#3 the pentagon videos , where are they.. lets see them.

The amateur explanations of folding wings and total disintegration of a plane the size of a 757 are mind boggling..
Not to mention an amateur pilot manually maneuvering such a plane from 1000's of feet, traveling at several hundred mph, descending and just the right inclination, lining up, passing over an interstate and dropping, then leveling off to enter the first floor as the photos show.. yet the size of the fuselage, coupled with the height it would have to fly to keep the engines from hitting the ground would make it impossible.. even if the whole concept was possible..

You can provide information from physicists, pro commercial pilots, scientists, etc. that say, and prove that all of the above is impossible, even if attempted by the most seasoned pilots..
But there are those who refuse to believe any other possiblilty.. Which is why the tapes were confiscated..

I will say it again. There has been multiple investigations by different entities. You either were not paying attention and missed out but I suspect that you just cannot accept any explanation unless it has sinister connotations as is the case with most conspriacy theorists.

In case you missed out just do the research and the answers are out there.

There's no use in arguing anymore about this issue. It's a done deal. Moussaui confessed, it fits the official scenario and legally that's all she wrote.

Bush has escaped every attempt to discredit him. His military record, the two elections, 911, WMDs, Katrina, etc. He's 'The Teflon President' nothing sticks to him and it won't. Why? Because there are far too many Americans who are disfunctional in their responsibilities. Plain and simple. So sit back and take it cause he's only got two more years to go and it's too late to bitch and complain now.

I guess that plane engine that I walked by 3 blocks away must have been planted.

You my son are a fucking tool and need to get a life. You also need to get some new CORRECT information.

You completely disgust me. Using these horrible images that I saw live to try and prove you idiotic theory.

The thought that you would even post these pictures on a site named Go Fuck Yourself, proves that you are a useless piece of shit.

How do you think the families of these poor lost souls would feel knowing that images of their loved ones last seconds were posted here.

I feel sorry that you seem to have no regard for the dignity of the people that died that day, or those of us who deal with the flashbacks and nightmares on a daily basis.

You are everything that is wrong with this county. You don't care about anyone else, just you and your stupid ideas.

I hope you sleep well knowing that you have spit on the grave of everyone of those people in the pictures.

One of the 12 people involved drug it there in the confusion obviously... :winkwink:

He didn't say there were no planes that hit..
He said that with all of the fire and rubble, there was an unscathed passport sitting on top of it all.. That has many people wondering how and why..

and as far as the planes, or fire causing the only three buildings in history to fall from such.. Surely you don't take the gov't explanation as being correct.. or the explanations of the gov't paid 'experts'

If you want correct information.. Read the independent reports from physicists, high rise architects, demolition experts, etc.. Those not paid by the gov't..

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sorry but this makes no sense...no one is refuting that planes smashed into the wtc towers.

however since you mention it...isnt it odd that the planes that hit the wtc and supposedly took them down, had an engine survive. which seems logical to me..that the engines would be knocked off and fall below. but isnt it odd that the plane that hit the smaller building(pentagon) was completely incinerated...no engines recovered except for parts rollys royce said didnt belong in their engines

i mean is anyone denying the planes smashing into the world trade center here? lol

the antis just cant swallow the bitter pill.....they cant stand the idea that they have been fucked over.

There's a reason that some can't stay within a conversation.. Armed with no valid rebuttal, all they have is grade school name calling and unrelated jibberish on their side..

They refuse to do the research that they so loudly suggest that we do.. They heard the initial report of what happened on the news channels and that was that... no other possibilites.. no need to question anything..
Not everyone that raises questions is a conspiracy theorist, and not every one that is a conspiracy theorist is necessarily wrong..

If questions hadn't been raised, Nixon wouldn't have left office..
It's well known by those who DO read that Carter had the iranian hostages set to be released, but Reagan played his game to have the release held off til he was in office so he would get the glory.. And I'm sure that will be called b.s. by some.. but I could give a rat's ass... I'm 56.. I've been where most don't even know exist.. I know what people are capable of in any level of gov't and yes... questions do need to be asked...

huh ? wtf are you talking about you sick idiot.. you are the MINORITY , you are one of the MINORITY of people who think the people that died in 9/11 dont deserve to know why the people that were ther to protect them didnt..

You are a sick bastard and i hope you sleep well ay night disgracing the momory of those killed , i hope your family dies and nobody cares enough to question why..

How dare you disgrace yourself , and how dare you try to insult me. your a pathetic ignorant sack of turd. ever step in my face and it will be the last step you take..

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ID=0&listSrc=Y

Truth cuts like a knife doesn't it. You are the one disgracing yourself and the memory of the dead with your drivel.

I have no problem questioning anything. I have a problem with you using the images that I saw live to try and prove you conspiracy theory bs.

If you want to question something, question why did the Bush administration did not heed the warnings that Clintons admin and several of his own people gave. That's where we should be doing an investigation. Not that there was a huge cover up and planted explosives in buildings, and missiles fired at the pentagon.

Tell me how does that plane that plowed into the ground in Penn. fit into this conspiracy?

As for your veil threats, well....I'm not really to frightened by a keyboard warrior like yourself. Beside we hang with a different crowd, and would never meet up. You at Walmart, and me at Bloomingdales.

If you ever leave Hazard county, look me up.

Shows that you dont read all the posts. :winkwink:

Ok, after reading this entire thread I saw ONE thing that was not even talked about and it's important. What is it?? Ok, so Bin Laden was the one resposible for this, right? So why in the fuck is he being left alone? There's no talk about him. Of course not. This is why on the day or the next day of 9/11 they flew whatever bin laden family member that was in the US OUT.. Odd don't you think? I don't know about, but if I knew who did this bad thing and many of his family members were around I sure would not sly them out of the fucking country.. I would question them till someone tells me where he is.. They did not do that though or ever really bother looking for him.. Still to this day they are not looking for him.. Oh, but it was him that did it, right? Suuuuuuuuuuuure.

With him still on the loose and in touch with his people, he can be blamed again the next time there's an attack here..

I think the reason he hasn't been brought up much is because there seems to be more to the big picture than just him.. IMO

exactly..

You have it ass backwards buddy. That you were there means nothing, other than the fact that you may be traumatized or too emotionally connected to the event to think clearly.

You're the sick fuck who doesn't want to see the murder of those people investigated. If your mother and sister were murdered in their homes and the police didn't investigate it and clearly lied about what happened, you'd be screaming from the rooftop. If someone posted pictures of the crime scene and said 'look at this horrible crime, it must be investigated', you'd thank them for caring about your family. You and the cowards who would rather do nothing than hold those responsible accountable for 3000 murders are the real suck fuckers. All people are asking for is a real investigation, because the official story is a fairly tale.