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Old 03-24-2006, 10:38 AM   #51
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What do you think of ppl like 12clicks? Is he a hater of has valid comments against vast majority of muslims?
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Also note that my wife, and thus my daughter, come from the Middle East.
So your wife had already given birth to your stepdaughter before she met you, whilst she lived in the Middle East?

Or, she is your biological daughter and you all lived in the Middle East, where she was born, before you moved to where you are now?
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are you a convert!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
I love you like a brother before I knew you were muslim.

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I think it is a lot of stupid people that are also loud makes it seem like theres a lot of hate
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So your wife had already given birth to your stepdaughter before she met you, whilst she lived in the Middle East?

Or, she is your biological daughter and you all lived in the Middle East, where she was born, before you moved to where you are now?
I think more like my kids with my ex wife are jewish, because their mother is.

Thank God that's just an example and never happened.
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It's sad but those who speak the loudest are the only ones we hear.

9/11 affected me in a huge way; It's one of those things I'll never ever forget. Looking back at it now, we should be thankful that America is what it is, a huge melting pot, and that millions of Muslims live in the US who practice their religion but do not subscribe to the hatred. Obviously, it's very clear that dozens of religions can live in harmony as they do here in the United States.

One of the most disappointing things to come out of 9/11 was an incident a day after where someone in Phoenix decided to kill a Muslim only because he was a Muslim. This is not typical of the way Americans act.

Also note that my wife, and thus my daughter, come from the Middle East.

Mr. Izzzy.... I'm sorry about the hatred you see here, as well as in our society oveall. I'll buy you a shot of Jager in Phoenix next week to make up for it.


9/11 affected me tremendously as well. i lost someone i knew in the towers, i live right here and i have to see the emptiness of that skyline everyday i drive into manhattan just like every new yorker. i'm born and raised as a bad english speaking american and yet i live a duality because of my upbringing as well.

i will never condone violence. murder is murder and what happened that day was a scar on not only islam but on humanity as a whole.

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Izz, your farts are some of the worst ive ever experienced. Is that a muslim thing?
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Islam is from god is it not. Hence, it is up to god to define what Islam is. My previous post had nothing to do with personal opinion. I don't have an opinion on the matter. I was stating the actual definition of what a Muslim is. Since you do not follow Islam (the definition of Islam is known, so it is possible for us to know that you are not a Muslim since you do not practice Islam), I simply stated that you are not a Muslim. There's no arguing with that. You'd have better success arguing that pigs don't shit.

If you really think that you are a Muslim but you do not act like one, then you are in fact a munafiq or a murtad and if the Muslims were ever to gain power where you live then you'd be killed even before they began slaughtering all of the local atheists, Hindus, pagans, Buddhists and all the Jews and Christians who refused to pay the jizzya.

hmmm, i reread this a few times. i understand what you are saying. then i agree that i am not considered a muslim by the fundamentalists, this is true. but i would also like to add that the majority of the muslim world also do not consider fundamentalists to be true muslims niether.

it is the same argument that all religions have within themselves. jews are divided by those who are "orthodox" and those who aren't as well, niether considering the other as a jew.

as for fundamentalists taking over long island...i dont think that'll ever happen. the second they would see the Hamptons and PDiddy they would decide life isnt that bad and the would pick up a bottle of cristol and party
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So your wife had already given birth to your stepdaughter before she met you, whilst she lived in the Middle East?

Or, she is your biological daughter and you all lived in the Middle East, where she was born, before you moved to where you are now?
My wife is Italian and Lebanese. My mother in law was born there, and she is the only member of her immediate who lives in the US - her three sisters and their family still lives there.

Certain races have certain chracteristics. The Lebanese have an odd patch of dark skin under their eyes. My mother in law has this, as does my wife. My daughter also has it. There's no mistake about it.

To the best of my knowledge, no one on my wife's side of the family is Muslim, although this doesn't matter much to me.
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What do you think of ppl like 12clicks? Is he a hater of has valid comments against vast majority of muslims?
honestly, i've never really paid attention to any of his comments.

but i will add this, not referencing this towards him, anyone who generalizes an entire people has already lost their will to gain knowledge and therefore it is worthless to even argue with them.
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I'm a non practicing jew boy who's step-father is from Egypt and is Muslim. My mom moved to Egypt 15 years ago and actually converted to Muslim because she had too. If she wasn't Muslim and something happened to my step father, she would get nothing.

I have no problem with any religion but I hate all radicals of their such religion. People that think they are above the religion and above others.

And Izzz, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you want to be a real muslim, you are not allowed to smoke, drink and gamble ... period. Unless you just consider yourself a 65% muslim.

So many people say they are a religion, yet they don't follow the rules. Its ok to believe in certain parts of a religion but if you are not fully practicing that religions "laws" then you really arn't all that religious. Thats why I'm a non-practicing jew. I was raised by a jewish family but i don't believe in any religion. I believe in simple things like ... Do Unto Others As You'd Have Them Do Unto You. If you follow the GOLDEN RULE ... then you will live a respectful and wonderful life.
Someone else who knows what he is talking about.

Most people who call themselves Muslim are not Muslim but do have some kind of Islamic background, just as you are not Jewish but you do have some kind of Jewish background. Of course, they get terribly upset when they are told that, but should we lie just to avoid hurting their feelings?
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the hate doesn't come from faith, it comes from ignorance and lack of education... if all those fuckers had a job or learned something straight, they wouldn't blow up people...
Funny you should say that, as studies have shown that terrorism is not caused by poverty or a poor education.

The 19 hijackers on 911 were university educated and came from 'good' families. They did however have a few things in common - they all believed in Allah and hated infidels, as per the instructions in their 'holy' book.
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hmmm, i reread this a few times. i understand what you are saying. then i agree that i am not considered a muslim by the fundamentalists, this is true. but i would also like to add that the majority of the muslim world also do not consider fundamentalists to be true muslims niether.
My point is that people are not defined what they think they are. They are defined by what they actually are. So even if you think that you are a Muslim, it doesn't neccessarily mean that you are one. Since you are a pornographer, a drinker and you don't hate infidels, it can be said with 100% certainty that you are not Muslim. You simply have some kind of Islamic background, that's all. Of course, if you lived in a place in which Sharia Law was followed, you'd be murdered for your lack of Islamic credentials.

To make it clearer, if I was to say that I had an 18 inch cock, that wouldn't necessarily be the truth even if I myself believed it. In fact, my cock is miniscule, like a pimple on an ant

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it is the same argument that all religions have within themselves. jews are divided by those who are "orthodox" and those who aren't as well, niether considering the other as a jew.
Religions other than Islam do have some leeway due their nature being totally different to Islam but let's not get into that one here as that part of things is spectacularly boring to talk about.

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as for fundamentalists taking over long island...i dont think that'll ever happen. the second they would see the Hamptons and PDiddy they would decide life isnt that bad and the would pick up a bottle of cristol and party
It's incredibly unlikely that Islam will ever take over in the US, but the only way to make sure is to fight to prevent it from happening. In my country, we allowed in over a million Muslim immigrants without requiring them to adhere to the norms of this country. Hence, we have a huge problem with Islam now. Some areas of the country now live under some form of Sharia. 'Honour killings' are commonplace, non-Muslims are harrassed and beaten when they go into 'Muslim areas' and the gangrape of non-Muslim girls is common. The police are loathe to do anything about it because whenever they do, the Muslim organisations play the 'race' card (even though Islam isn't a race but the Muslims know that we infidels are too stupid to know that) and the police are then afraid that they will get sacked if they target Muslim crime. I'm sure that my ancestors said that the Muslims would never take over my country too.
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Funny you should say that, as studies have shown that terrorism is not caused by poverty or a poor education.

The 19 hijackers on 911 were university educated and came from 'good' families. They did however have a few things in common - they all believed in Allah and hated infidels, as per the instructions in their 'holy' book.

if you wish to start an arguement about terrorism that stop generalizing as well. terrorism as it is used today, is a media word created to make you fear islam. why dont they call the druglords in south america terrorists? i remember the IRA were a bunch of christian terrorists. and even our own american revolution was started by who????

obviously you are prejudiced towards islam and wish to be sly about it


***EDIT: i didnt get a chance to read your other later posts. i see now that whatever country your from the muslim popualtion is causing problems. now i understand why you would dislike them.
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what most people do not understand that if you take care if the Isreali/Palastinian conflict we wouldn't have seen this mess escalate as it has in the past ten years
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if you wish to start an arguement about terrorism that stop generalizing as well. terrorism as it is used today, is a media word created to make you fear islam.
You're joking, right. Since when did the media call Hamas, Islamic Jihad or even the terrorists in Iraq 'terrorists'. Read almost any news service and you'll discover that the standard term for an Islamic terrorist is 'militant' and the terrorists in Iraq are refered to as 'insurgents'. The media goes out of it's way NOT to label the enemy correctly. It is the Muslims themselves who wish to make us fear Islam. That is why they terrorize us. That is the purpose of terrorism.


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why dont they call the druglords in south america terrorists?
They do. They are refered to as narco-terrorists since they deal in narcotics and use terror to facilitate the production and supply.

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i remember the IRA were a bunch of christian terrorists.
No, the IRA were not Christian terrorists. They were terrorists IN SPITE of their religion, not because of it. They did not blow up pubs then justify it with passages from the Bible.

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and even our own american revolution was started by who????
Sorry, I know little about the American Revolution. But, I will go and learn about it.

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obviously you are prejudiced towards islam and wish to be sly about it
Before I read the Qur'an three times and studied Islam closely I had no prejudice aginst them whatsoever.


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***EDIT: i didnt get a chance to read your other later posts. i see now that whatever country your from the muslim popualtion is causing problems. now i understand why you would dislike them.
That's not why I dislike them. I dislike Muslims for the same reason that I dislike heroin dealers, rapists, muggers and murderers. All of those groups of people threaten peaceful people everywhere.
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what most people do not understand that if you take care if the Isreali/Palastinian conflict we wouldn't have seen this mess escalate as it has in the past ten years
That's weak dude. If you give in to the enemy's demands they will only fight you harder.
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if you wish to start an arguement about terrorism that stop generalizing as well. terrorism as it is used today, is a media word created to make you fear islam. why dont they call the druglords in south america terrorists? i remember the IRA were a bunch of christian terrorists. and even our own american revolution was started by who????

obviously you are prejudiced towards islam and wish to be sly about it


***EDIT: i didnt get a chance to read your other later posts. i see now that whatever country your from the muslim popualtion is causing problems. now i understand why you would dislike them.
Terrorism is a larger problem than most people think and is rather common.

England has the IRA, France and Spain have the Basque to contend with. Sir Lanka also has terrorists (depending on your definition of terrorist), as do other countries.

I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line there are entire races that offically don't have a home. The Basque is great example. I believe they are spread out in areas that are now made up of France and Spain. I'm sorry, but France and Spain CANNOT give up space to allow them to form a country - because this land is already occupided and it would be unfair for any government to say "Sorry, this land now belongs to the Basque". I'm sorry, but the Basque will have to llearn to live amoung the French and the Spanish and do their best to keep their culture alive.

(If you ever get the chance to eat at a Basque resturant, I highly recomend it. You show up at a certain time and you all sit at the same table, and they bring you your meal - they only have one option on the menu, and that's what everyone gets. It's rather interesting really.)
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how's that weak, who are the enemy's your talking about. Give Palastenians a place to call home without being cages behind walls, that's why they fight harder..
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And Izzz, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you want to be a real muslim, you are not allowed to smoke, drink and gamble ... period. Unless you just consider yourself a 65% muslim.
Hey Adam, I wouldn't go as far as to preach what is being a "real muslim" to a follower. I do business in the middle east and I can say that people over there smoke, drink and other stuff just like anyone else in the world. But when it comes time to pray they are kneeling to the east when they should.
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:10 PM   #89
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Religion would be SO funny, if it wasn't so savage.
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:15 PM   #90
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how's that weak, who are the enemy's your talking about. Give Palastenians a place to call home without being cages behind walls, that's why they fight harder..
Promise me you'll never try for a position of responsibility. I will sleep better at night.

If by now you're not aware of the identity of the enemy then I'm sorry but I can't help you, except to tell you to open your eyes and ears, watch the news once in a while, notice what is going on in the world.
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:17 PM   #91
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And Izzz, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you want to be a real muslim, you are not allowed to smoke, drink and gamble ... period. Unless you just consider yourself a 65% muslim.

the only bubble you are bursting is your own

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I have no problem with any religion but I hate all radicals of their such religion. People that think they are above the religion and above others.

hmm, so you say he either is 100% to the letter with it or he is not ? ? that my friend is being RADICAL

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So many people say they are a religion, yet they don't follow the rules. Its ok to believe in certain parts of a religion but if you are not fully practicing that religions "laws" then you really arn't all that religious. Thats why I'm a non-practicing jew. I was raised by a jewish family but i don't believe in any religion. I believe in simple things like ... Do Unto Others As You'd Have Them Do Unto You. If you follow the GOLDEN RULE ... then you will live a respectful and wonderful life.

are you from the south ? you seem radical in your ignorance
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:23 PM   #92
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:27 PM   #93
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how's that weak, who are the enemy's your talking about. Give Palastenians a place to call home without being cages behind walls, that's why they fight harder..
you just proved you know nothing about the Hamas or other terror organizations and the way the abuse the countries they are grown from, please don't say anything like that before you know the facts behind the poverty of palastenians
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I don't have hatred for Muslims... Most muslims don't have hate for anyone else.

I know MANY Muslims that are very good people...

for one example, a guy that works at the 7-11 down the street (I know, it sounds cliche) right after 9/11 he was in a pretty bad state of mind.. he was getting harrassed and called names, one customer even spit on him.

I saw that he was looking down and was not his usual happy self so I asked him what was wrong, and he got really upset and talked about how he was not the one who did this to our country, and how he was here to work, and to get away from the bad things of his old country, and to make things better for his familys future. Over the last 6 years of living here, I've seen him go from not knowing much english to being able to carry on a pretty good conversation with me about life and how things are going for him.

Every time I go in he is always happy to see me and is very curtious to me, and he asks how work, family, and life has been treating me.. most clerks don't give two shits about you...

People need to stop reading into too much of the bullshit and propoganda that is out there about other cultures..

Theres bad shit all over the world, it's unfortunate that religion, greed, envy, and hate fuel our world in the manor that it does...

Fanatical Fundamentalists are the ones that have been brainwashed and led astray from the essential values of their religions. These are the ones that are the problems..

It's just like clasifying all pornographers as kiddy pornographers, even though it's a few rogue people, we all must do the same exact thing when no ones looking..

I love you Izz!!! I even love Juicys ass too, even if he is an infidel..
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that was alot to quote, however i do respect the fact that you take the time to post in this thread. i consider you an educated person that has studied this area of religious politics and so forth, but i must say that the only thing that disturbs me is that you sum up all of islam as being negative.

if we ever get a chance to meet it would be great to dialogue so that i can show you how different i am from the perception of islam that you have.

i can't speak on behalf of 1 billion people, but maybe there is a chance that i convince a few people out there that not all followers of islam are what they are portrayed as
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Old 03-24-2006, 12:34 PM   #96
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Muslims are taught to hate. When a religion tells you that you will be greeted in heaven with 72 virgins for Marytrdom then I think it has to do with the faith.

What muslims are not taught is how to bathe.

if you can believe what someone on the television, that you don't know personally, is telling you about islam than why can't you believe me, someone who is physically here.

make up your own mind and stop letting CNN make it up for you
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It's just like clasifying all pornographers as kiddy pornographers, even though it's a few rogue people, we all must do the same exact thing when no ones looking..

brother i love everything you said but i must say that this is the truest statement of them all

so much negativity is placed on a few verses that have been brought to the public. and of course the Holy Book is a scary thing to read because of the subjects it covers but what is always forgotten is the amount of positive teachings in it.
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someone ban this media guy,he always posts huge paragraphs
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Well welcome to the country the preaches tolerance, but the only thing they can tolerate is white americans, that really dont realize that they are immigrants as well.
More like conquerers, wouldn't you say?
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