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baddog · 03-21-2006, 03:42 PM

50 armed citizens

mikeyddddd · 03-21-2006, 03:42 PM

Fiddy one brilliant ideas

baddog · 03-21-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also. Its a vicious circle that can only be stopped by cutting at the root of the problem

I swear, I can not believe you said that. I had to read it twice to be sure, and even then I did not believe it.

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also.

Would you like to start over?

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

You seem exactly like the kind of person I dread running around armed in the streets. You talk about "the zipper effect", a corpse not suing for injuries, and seem almost excited at the prospect of killing someone. In short, you seem just like the kind of person who might endanger people (possible criminals, yourself and the public) in a fit of rage after getting something stolen from you, getting into an argument or whatever.

But aside from that, imagine the following, simple scenario:

A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
B: Fuck off man!
A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
B: *punch* (illegal attack)
A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B, thereby also risking the lives of innocent bystanders?

First off, as always, you may only use deadly force if you are in fear for your life. Getting punched does not constitute "fearing for your life" and the dumbass in question (person A) would be found guilty. Now if you were to amend the previous scenario to:

A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
B: Fuck off man!
A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
B: I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU!!! *pulls out a knife and tries to stab A* (illegal attack)
A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

...then this new amendment would apply in regards to person A fearing for his life.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Guess what, gays can be crooks and murderers too.

Guess your friend was lucky.

Yeah, gays can be crooks and murderers. However, they rarely rape women, which is what the woman said she was afraid of. Besides, the guy in question has a good job, so no reason to mug someone, and is one of the least violent people I know.

And how the hell was he lucky?! He got peppersprayed for doing nothing else than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I'm smelling something fishy too. I'm a very large, mean looking asian, I've had ppl cross streets when they see me, and I've never been pepper sprayed for walking too close to a woman.

Let's also not forget that the area for peper spray is 3 to 6 feet.

Just because you've never been peppersprayed doesn't mean it won't happen to others, or could not happen to you in the future. Sure, chances may be small, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
By your logic, a woman who wears skimpy clothing and spends lots of time in dark alleys, but hasn't been raped yet, would be "proof" that there is no danger in things like that.

As for the area of effect of pepper spray... a typical sidewalk is about 6 feet wide, so when walking past someone, I'd reckon you'd come well within range.

KRL · 03-21-2006, 03:45 PM

I was at a 7-11 the other night at 3AM and a black gangsta type dude followed me out of the store to the side of the building where I parked.

He shit and ran when I did a 180 turn with my Spyderco knife pulled out and my German Shepherd was half way out the window with his fangs and attack bark going off.

So its a wonderful law.

You wanna try, you're gonna fucking die. Nice and simple.

baddog · 03-21-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

And how the hell was he lucky?! He got peppersprayed for doing nothing else than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You are dumber than I thought . . . think back . . . if she had a gun . . .

SirMoby · 03-21-2006, 03:48 PM

The way the law is Florida is written, you can actually shoot someone if you feel threatened. Basically I can walk into a bar, call a girl a whore and if some guy tries to defend here by even raising his voice to me I CAN SHOOT HIM.

Read the law yourself if you don't believe.

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also. Its a vicious circle that can only be stopped by cutting at the root of the problem

No the reason that they are packing is to intimidate the victim. If the robber/attacker wasn't armed, why would the victim give up their money? What is the robber/attacker going to do, threaten to slap the shit out of them?

WarChild · 03-21-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

I was at a 7-11 the other night at 3AM and a black gangsta type dude followed me out of the store to the side of the building where I parked.

He shit and ran when I did a 180 turn with my Spyderco knife pulled out and my German Shepherd was half way out the window with his fangs and attack bark going off.

So its a wonderful law.

You wanna try, you're gonna fucking die. Nice and simple.

So what if the gangsta kid had shot you on the spot and said "I was walking through the parking lot and this guy pulled out a knife on me". Wouldn't he be in the right under this new kind of law?

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

I was at a 7-11 the other night at 3AM and a black gangsta type dude followed me out of the store to the side of the building where I parked.

He shit and ran when I did a 180 turn with my Spyderco knife pulled out and my German Shepherd was half way out the window with his fangs and attack bark going off.

So its a wonderful law.

You wanna try, you're gonna fucking die. Nice and simple.

For a great knife, you can't beat a Spyderco

WarChild · 03-21-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

The way the law is Florida is written, you can actually shoot someone if you feel threatened. Basically I can walk into a bar, call a girl a whore and if some guy tries to defend here by even raising his voice to me I CAN SHOOT HIM.

Read the law yourself if you don't believe.

Except that it's illegal for you to have a gun in a bar, period.

escorpio · 03-21-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also. Its a vicious circle that can only be stopped by cutting at the root of the problem

ROFLMAO

Yeah, robbers and muggers would be much less threatening if they didn't have to worry about law abiding citizens having guns. We must take guns away from these people so all the bad guys can throw away their guns and rob people with polite requests, which they would no doubt switch to doing as soon as the proper gun control laws are passed.

com · 03-21-2006, 03:53 PM

I say good it's a good thing; besides you still need that little permit allowing you to carry! That in itself takes a sit down with your local sheriff and a potential psychological evaluation.

KRL · 03-21-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

As for the area of effect of pepper spray... a typical sidewalk is about 6 feet wide, so when walking past someone, I'd reckon you'd come well within range.

I carry law enforcement grade pepper spray. That shit is nasty. You can just spray some on the ground and take a deep breath and it'll get into your nose and eyes.

The only thing with pepper spray is you have to first quickly know the wind direction before you fire or its going to blast back right at you.

Fox Pepper Spray goes to 5,300,000 scoville heat units. Most commercial pepper sprays only do 1/2 to 2 Mil.

http://www.foxlabs.com/Products.html

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I swear, I can not believe you said that. I had to read it twice to be sure, and even then I did not believe it.

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also.

Would you like to start over?

He's right, though. I live in a country where guns are banned, thankfully, and the typical mugger here does not have one. Moreover, on a population of 16 million residing mostly in urban areas, we had about 200 murders last year - less than a quarter of the total for Florida, with a population of 17.5 million.

Evil1 · 03-21-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Except that it's illegal for you to have a gun in a bar, period.

Don't know how it works in the rest of the country, but here in mass (with some of the nastiest gun control laws around [that dont work, people get shot here HOURLY]). you can have a gun in a bar. you just cant be drunk with a gun. Pretty much a twin the the drunk driving laws.. Don't drink and carry!

Sly · 03-21-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

And of course, more people will feel justified/compelled to carry guns in public. Boy, that should make people feel reassured. Any little incident happens and 50 Clint Eastwoods show up to "help out".

Yes. Now everyone is going to run out, buy guns, and march down the street looking for someone to shoot. That makes perfect sense.

Lucky for you, you live in Canada and don't have to worry about it. You shouldn't even care. Let us crazy Americans kill each other off, then you won't have to worry about us invading Canada for oil next. Woohoo!

Oh, and if someone is trying to hurt me or take something from me that they do not own, see how much I care about them and their feelings.

KRL · 03-21-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

So what if the gangsta kid had shot you on the spot and said "I was walking through the parking lot and this guy pulled out a knife on me". Wouldn't he be in the right under this new kind of law?

99% of the time when you make the first move it throws them off guard. Plus the Spyderco makes a nice first impression.

KRL · 03-21-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Yes. Now everyone is going to run out, buy guns, and march down the street looking for someone to shoot. That makes perfect sense.

Actually it makes you prethink every situation knowing virtually anyone could be armed and willing to kill.

baddog · 03-21-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

He's right, though. I live in a country where guns are banned, thankfully, and the typical mugger here does not have one. Moreover, on a population of 16 million residing mostly in urban areas, we had about 200 murders last year - less than a quarter of the total for Florida, with a population of 17.5 million.

You don't even live here and you are whining about our laws? STFU you idiot.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

First off, as always, you may only use deadly force if you are in fear for your life. Getting punched does not constitute "fearing for your life" and the dumbass in question (person A) would be found guilty. Now if you were to amend the previous scenario to:

A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
B: Fuck off man!
A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
B: I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL YOU!!! *pulls out a knife and tries to stab A* (illegal attack)
A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

...then this new amendment would apply in regards to person A fearing for his life.

Read the fucking article, and especially these parts:

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the measures generally grant immunity from prosecution and lawsuits to those who use deadly force to combat any unlawful entry or attack

(note how it says ANY unlawful entry or attack)

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The NRA and other supporters say the bills are needed in many states that require people under attack in public places to withdraw from the situation, rather than retaliate, unless they can show their lives are in danger.

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

He's right, though. I live in a country where guns are banned, thankfully, and the typical mugger here does not have one. Moreover, on a population of 16 million residing mostly in urban areas, we had about 200 murders last year - less than a quarter of the total for Florida, with a population of 17.5 million.

First, most of the criminals here committing crimes involving firearms and using ILLEGAL firearms. So even if you completely banned guns in the US, it would not affect these criminals in the least bit. Second, I could be wrong but I would assume Florida has a slightly bigger problem with gangs, crime syndicates, and drug cartels then Canada does; which results in the larger body count (none of which would be affected by government "Gun Control").

sandman! · 03-21-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

You seem exactly like the kind of person I dread running around armed in the streets. You talk about "the zipper effect", a corpse not suing for injuries, and seem almost excited at the prospect of killing someone. In short, you seem just like the kind of person who might endanger people (possible criminals, yourself and the public) in a fit of rage after getting something stolen from you, getting into an argument or whatever.

But aside from that, imagine the following, simple scenario:

A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
B: Fuck off man!
A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
B: *punch* (illegal attack)
A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B, thereby also risking the lives of innocent bystanders?

you take a swing at someone with a gun its your own damm fault you got shot.

try taking a swing at a off duty chicago cop and you will wish you got shot.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil1

well see... B: fucked up right there. Goodbye B:.
I bet if B: knew that half the people on the street had a glock on them, B: would not be wandering the streets starting fights.

B was not wandering the streets starting fights, he was minding his own business until overreacting foolishly to some idiot trying to provoke a fight. Sure, punching someone for being insulted should land someone in jail for a few nights. However, successfully provoking a fight should not grant someone the right to kill without legal implications.

Do you seriously believe every fistfight should deteriorate into a gunfight?

woj · 03-21-2006, 04:12 PM

heh, that's great

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You don't even live here and you are whining about our laws? STFU you idiot.

As soon as your president, government and citizens shut up about the rest of the world, I will shut up about your country. Dumb fuck.

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Read the fucking article, and especially these parts:
(note how it says ANY unlawful entry or attack)

I have a better idea, instead of relying on some reporter to tell you his version of what it says, why don't you read the actual bills that are being proposed to Congress. Just because something is reported in print does not make it 100% factual and without bias.

baddog · 03-21-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

As soon as your president, government and citizens shut up about the rest of the world, I will shut up about your country. Dumb fuck.

I have to know, are you the gay guy that got pepper sprayed?

escorpio · 03-21-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You don't even live here and you are whining about our laws? STFU you idiot.

He's Canadian. It's their national pastime.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

First, most of the criminals here committing crimes involving firearms and using ILLEGAL firearms. So even if you completely banned guns in the US, it would not affect these criminals in the least bit. Second, I could be wrong but I would assume Florida has a slightly bigger problem with gangs, crime syndicates, and drug cartels then Canada does; which results in the larger body count (none of which would be affected by government "Gun Control").

I'm actually not from Canada, which has 32 million inhabitants rather than 16 million, but from The Netherlands. "The land of rape and honey" refers to the Ministry album, not to Tisdale.

But apart from that, you do have some good points. Gun control does not have immediate effects, it takes many years and lots of police work before the amounts of guns in circulation starts to go down, and the amount of stolen and illegal firearms with it.
As for the amount of crime related to gangs, crime syndicates and drug cartels, you are partially right. We have much less gang-related crime here, although we have quite a few drug and crime syndicates (their actions actually account for almost all our murders, and they typically target eachother - if you're not a criminal, getting murdered is close to impossible). Still, in the past years we experienced a significant drop in the murder rate, which is widely believed to be caused by even tighter enforcement of anti-gun laws.

Hollywood376 · 03-21-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

...Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B...

uhhh, yes.

Why is it that you think that punching someone is not deadly force? If you don't, then where do you draw the line? What if they had a knife? Is it only justifiable to defend yourself with a knife? If they have a bat, do you need a bat?

I suppose your solution would be for a person to carry every conceivable weapon in a giant back=pack, and whip out the corresponding weapon when approached by vermin.

I guess that Boy Scout motto is right...Be Prepared.

Hollywood376 · 03-21-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I swear, I can not believe you said that. I had to read it twice to be sure, and even then I did not believe it.

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also.

Would you like to start over?

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

I have a better idea, instead of relying on some reporter to tell you his version of what it says, why don't you read the actual bills that are being proposed to Congress. Just because something is reported in print does not make it 100% factual and without bias.

Well, even assuming the reporter was entirely biased, and also misquoted the NRA, there's still the matter that any physical confrontation or possibility thereof can be perceived as a life-threatening situation, and that, therefore, they all warrant the use of "deadly force". So, no matter how biased the reporter may be, the argument stands.

ronbotx · 03-21-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

A year after Florida became the first state to allow citizens to use deadly force against muggers, carjackers and other attackers, the idea is spreading. South Dakota has enacted a similar law, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels plans to sign such a measure today, and 15 other states are considering such proposals.

Dubbed "Stand Your Ground" bills by supporters such as the National Rifle Association, the measures generally grant immunity from prosecution and lawsuits to those who use deadly force to combat any unlawful entry or attack. Several states allow people to use deadly force in their homes against intruders; the new measures represent an expansion of self-defense rights to crimes committed in public.

Full story:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-defense_x.htm

I know there are a lot of gun-lovers here, but honestly how can anything good come of this? At first, it sounds great - giving people a chance to defend themselves without fear of prosecution and hopefully a little more deterrent to would-be assailants.

But in truth, I'll let Zach Ragbourn of the Brady Group describe what will likely happen: "the proposals ... are more accurately called 'Shoot First' laws. They allow a person who just feels something bad is going to happen to open fire in public."

And of course, more people will feel justified/compelled to carry guns in public. Boy, that should make people feel reassured. Any little incident happens and 50 Clint Eastwoods show up to "help out".

Good lord, is your country really this insane?
I am so truly, deeply happy we don't have the NRA up here!

Then stay in your little northern socialist utopia and take no responsibility for your security and let your governemnt protect you. Just pray a mountie is the vicinity to save your ass for you, since you are too weak to do it yourself.

Given the epidemic of gun crimes in Toronto, you really shouldn't talk.

Scootermuze · 03-21-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

The way the law is Florida is written, you can actually shoot someone if you feel threatened. Basically I can walk into a bar, call a girl a whore and if some guy tries to defend here by even raising his voice to me I CAN SHOOT HIM.

Read the law yourself if you don't believe.

Good luck with that one..

Walk into a bar with a gun and you're already on the law's bad side..
and if someone feels that their life is threatened enough to shoot because a guy yells at them then they're in for a long stay at hotel bubba..

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood376

uhhh, yes.

Why is it that you think that punching someone is not deadly force? If you don't, then where do you draw the line? What if they had a knife? Is it only justifiable to defend yourself with a knife? If they have a bat, do you need a bat?

I suppose your solution would be for a person to carry every conceivable weapon in a giant back=pack, and whip out the corresponding weapon when approached by vermin.

I guess that Boy Scout motto is right...Be Prepared.

No, my solution would be much like most laws: escape the confrontation if you can, deadly force is only legitimate if you are in direct, mortal danger, from which there is no obvious escape.

In other words: you can't just go around killing people unless you have absolutely no other choice whatsoever. "Standing your ground", in most cases, is a danger to both everyone involved as well as innocent bystanders.

stickyfingerz · 03-21-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

You seem exactly like the kind of person I dread running around armed in the streets. You talk about "the zipper effect", a corpse not suing for injuries, and seem almost excited at the prospect of killing someone. In short, you seem just like the kind of person who might endanger people (possible criminals, yourself and the public) in a fit of rage after getting something stolen from you, getting into an argument or whatever.

But aside from that, imagine the following, simple scenario:

A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
B: Fuck off man!
A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
B: *punch* (illegal attack)
A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B, thereby also risking the lives of innocent bystanders?

Lol yes these real world scenarios sure do prove your point.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Lol yes these real world scenarios sure do prove your point.

You don't think that one guy being an asshole and provoking another, the other reacting, and a fight starting is a real world scenario?

stickyfingerz · 03-21-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NoWhErE

You know... there wouldn't be such a problem if you enforced stricter gun control laws....

or just banned them all together.

The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also. Its a vicious circle that can only be stopped by cutting at the root of the problem

If you ban guns, do you really think a criminal would worry about not commiting a crime....... Only criminals have guns if they are banned obviously.

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

If you ban guns, do you really think a criminal would worry about not commiting a crime....... Only criminals have guns if they are banned obviously.

Like I said before, I live in a country where guns are banned, yet we have way less crime and WAY less murders.

The police have guns too

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Well, even assuming the reporter was entirely biased, and also misquoted the NRA, there's still the matter that any physical confrontation or possibility thereof can be perceived as a life-threatening situation, and that, therefore, they all warrant the use of "deadly force". So, no matter how biased the reporter may be, the argument stands.

That's just it, the article is somewhat confusing. That is NOT what the bills are saying. Many states already have laws like these in place (and have for a long time). These bills are targeting states where it is nearly impossible to claim self-defense as a reason for killing someone; not to make it legal to kill someone that starts a conflict with you (which is what the article makes it sound like).

From the article itself:

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LaPierre says the NRA is targeting 29 duty-to-retreat states where people can be prosecuted, sued or both if they don't retreat from criminal attacks

Evil1 · 03-21-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

No, my solution would be much like most laws: escape the confrontation if you can

So in your idea of a perfect world everyone is french?

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

That's just it, the article is somewhat confusing. That is NOT what the bills are saying. Many states already have laws like these in place (and have for a long time). These bills are targeting states where it is nearly impossible to claim self-defense as a reason for killing someone; not to make it legal to kill someone that starts a conflict with you (which is what the article makes it sound like).

They don't just do that, though. They also eliminate the duty to retreat if reasonably possible. And that, in my opinion, is going a step too far - if not for petty criminals, at least for innocent bystanders.

I admit that the other extreme is also quite bad. One should always have the right to defend oneself if necessary, by deadly force if unavoidable. That goes without saying. However, laws like these just go a step too far.

Pleasurepays · 03-21-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

First, most of the criminals here committing crimes involving firearms and using ILLEGAL firearms. So even if you completely banned guns in the US, it would not affect these criminals in the least bit. Second, I could be wrong but I would assume Florida has a slightly bigger problem with gangs, crime syndicates, and drug cartels then Canada does; which results in the larger body count (none of which would be affected by government "Gun Control").

i agree that comparing canada to florida which is basically a blend of retired jews, white trash inbreeders, ghettos, gangs, drug dealers, organized crime and super wealthy is not really a fair comparison.

stickyfingerz · 03-21-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by punkworld

Like I said before, I live in a country where guns are banned, yet we have way less crime and WAY less murders.

The police have guns too

Ya look how many preschoolers have been killed by people with swords and kitchen knives in Japan. lol

Libertine · 03-21-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Ya look how many preschoolers have been killed by people with swords and kitchen knives in Japan. lol

Japan has rather strict gun laws, and has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. What's your point?

Manowar · 03-21-2006, 05:30 PM

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quantum-x · 03-21-2006, 05:46 PM

For everyone wasting time in this thread: You can't argue with idiots. They fail to see your point.

d_train · 03-21-2006, 05:53 PM

I see more violent incidents in the streets because of that stupid idea

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03-21-2006, 05:46 PM	#99
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03-21-2006, 03:42 PM	#51
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	50 armed citizens

03-21-2006, 03:48 PM	#58
SirMoby Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 583	The way the law is Florida is written, you can actually shoot someone if you feel threatened. Basically I can walk into a bar, call a girl a whore and if some guy tries to defend here by even raising his voice to me I CAN SHOOT HIM. Read the law yourself if you don't believe.

03-21-2006, 05:53 PM	#100
d_train Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,527	I see more violent incidents in the streets because of that stupid idea __________________ EXTREME Hosting Services -- Extreme Dependability -- Low Pricing FREE TOOL to check your site's content originality and increase your Search Engine ranking