States To Allow Deadly Self-Defense (Another Brilliant Idea!!!!)

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  • Kevsh
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    • Dec 2004
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    States To Allow Deadly Self-Defense (Another Brilliant Idea!!!!)

    A year after Florida became the first state to allow citizens to use deadly force against muggers, carjackers and other attackers, the idea is spreading. South Dakota has enacted a similar law, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels plans to sign such a measure today, and 15 other states are considering such proposals.

    Dubbed "Stand Your Ground" bills by supporters such as the National Rifle Association, the measures generally grant immunity from prosecution and lawsuits to those who use deadly force to combat any unlawful entry or attack. Several states allow people to use deadly force in their homes against intruders; the new measures represent an expansion of self-defense rights to crimes committed in public.

    Full story:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-defense_x.htm

    I know there are a lot of gun-lovers here, but honestly how can anything good come of this? At first, it sounds great - giving people a chance to defend themselves without fear of prosecution and hopefully a little more deterrent to would-be assailants.

    But in truth, I'll let Zach Ragbourn of the Brady Group describe what will likely happen: "the proposals ... are more accurately called 'Shoot First' laws. They allow a person who just feels something bad is going to happen to open fire in public."

    And of course, more people will feel justified/compelled to carry guns in public. Boy, that should make people feel reassured. Any little incident happens and 50 Clint Eastwoods show up to "help out".

    Good lord, is your country really this insane?
    I am so truly, deeply happy we don't have the NRA up here!
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    • Aug 2001
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    #2
    its retarded lol

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    • sumphatpimp
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      • Aug 2002
      • 5235

      #3
      Fantastic!
      shot the no good sonofabitches!

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      • Evil1
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        • Mar 2002
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        #4
        Fuck Yes!

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        • Manowar
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          • Dec 2003
          • 71528

          #5
          Originally posted by sumphatpimp
          Fantastic!
          shot the no good sonofabitches!
          yes.... shot them......

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          • Kevsh
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            • Dec 2004
            • 8619

            #6
            Just in time for the next installment I suppose ...

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            • Anthony
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              • Feb 2001
              • 9653

              #7
              Awesome! Way to go South Dakota!

              Crime has dropped significantly in Florida since inception of the Stand Your Ground Bill.

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              • gornyhuy
                Chafed.
                • May 2002
                • 18041

                #8
                In case you hadn't noticed the whole fucking country is about preemptive striking!

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                • Phoenix
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                  • Nov 2002
                  • 35475

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Manowar
                  yes.... shot them......

                  haha fuck shot them all ;)
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                  • Linkster
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                    • Feb 2003
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                    #10
                    Sure would have helped those poor homeowners that are sitting rotting in jail because thugs were breaking in and shooting homeowners in violent raids some years ago - when the homeowners shot back they got arrested and are still in jail
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                    • Kevsh
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                      • Dec 2004
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                      #11
                      Clearly, what will happen is that 90% of the public will hear about this law in a news item on tv or in the papers, or via word-of-mouth. They will not have any real understanding of the actual law. Most will interpret it as "if I am being threatened or see someone threatened, I can kill".

                      The bottom line is: Any time you put life and death, heat-of-the-moment decisions in the hands of the "public", you are asking for trouble.

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                      • escorpio
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                        • Oct 2002
                        • 23487

                        #12
                        Shoot a home invader? Oh my gosh! Wouldn't that violate his right to due process?
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                        • Pornwolf
                          Drunk and Unruly
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 22712

                          #13
                          Some guys tried to rob one of my offices 4 years ago. A freind and I were in the back office and heard them. We had a ball popping shots in their asses from the water cooler all the way across the street. One of the guys must have gotten hit abut 9 times.
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                          • Evil1
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                            • Mar 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kevsh
                            Clearly, what will happen is that 90% of the public will hear about this law in a news item on tv or in the papers, or via word-of-mouth. They will not have any real understanding of the actual law. Most will interpret it as "if I am being threatened or see someone threatened, I can kill".
                            Here's an idea. dont attack random people, break into houses, or do any car jacking's. you'll be fine.

                            You pampered ass has lived in suburbia all your fucking life i bet... No concept of the world around you. Do you even realize there are people out there that will slash your throat if they think you have enough change on you to get them a pack of cigs? And everyones supposed to worry about their neighbor with 3 kids, a minivan, and a .45 in his pants?

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                            • ForteCash
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                              #15
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                              • Libertine
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                                • May 2002
                                • 17860

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Evil1
                                Here's an idea. dont attack random people, break into houses, or do any car jacking's. you'll be fine.

                                You pampered ass has lived in suburbia all your fucking life i bet... No concept of the world around you. Do you even realize there are people out there that will slash your throat if they think you have enough change on you to get them a pack of cigs? And everyones supposed to worry about their neighbor with 3 kids, a minivan, and a .45 in his pants?
                                A friend of mine once got peppersprayed for walking home at night and happening to walk a little bit behind some woman who apparently thought he was following her. If she had had a gun, he'd be dead now.
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                                • pornguy
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 62912

                                  #17
                                  The catch is, that you can protect yourself, and not others. I think that law also reads that you can not protect property, for exapmple a car. If someone is stealing a car, you can not shoot them. it has to be protecting your person.
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                                  • Antonio
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 14136

                                    #18
                                    good idea IMO, now you can shoot your mother in law as soon as she enters your property

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                                    • Black Dog
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                                      • Jan 2004
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                                      #19
                                      Very soon some innocent person will be killed in Florida by a jittery old man with a nervous trigger finger.

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                                      • baddog
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 107089

                                        #20
                                        It is a great deterrent when you don't know if the other guy is packing. People are a lot more polite to each other.

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                                        • baddog
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 107089

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by punkworld
                                          A friend of mine once got peppersprayed for walking home at night and happening to walk a little bit behind some woman who apparently thought he was following her. If she had had a gun, he'd be dead now.

                                          Good, at least now women can walk down the street alone at night.

                                          And I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than what you are telling us.

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                                          • Pornwolf
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                                            • Jan 2002
                                            • 22712

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                            It is a great deterrent when you don't know if the other guy is packing. People are a lot more polite to each other.
                                            This is very true.
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                                            • Evil1
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                                              • Mar 2002
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                                              #23

                                              Taken from the front of my house last august. What you cant see is the dead body that had his head caved in with a bat, a pool of blood, and a pile of crime scene vans behind the trees.

                                              Now, had the corpse had a gun, the corpse would be alive today, but the only person alive is the guy that murdered him.

                                              So what you are telling me Kevsh is the dead guy had no right at all to defend himself? His only right was to get his head get cracked open and bleed to dead? Which is exactly what happened because the guy had no way to defend himself vs. a fuckhead with a baseball bat!

                                              B.T.W. You will be happy to know that the murderer wasnt injured at all during the crime.
                                              Last edited by Evil1; 03-21-2006, 12:52 PM.

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                                              • Anthony
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                                                • Feb 2001
                                                • 9653

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Black Dog
                                                Very soon some innocent person will be killed in Florida by a jittery old man with a nervous trigger finger.

                                                B

                                                It's been 6 months since the law has been effect here in florida. One case so far.

                                                So much for you anti gun bleeding hearts, praying at night someone gets shot so you can be right.

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                                                • Anthony
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                                                  • Feb 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                  It is a great deterrent when you don't know if the other guy is packing. People are a lot more polite to each other.
                                                  An armed society is a polite society.

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                                                  • Hollywood376
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                                                    • Jul 2005
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                    It is a great deterrent when you don't know if the other guy is packing. People are a lot more polite to each other.
                                                    I'm certainly more polite if I know someone has a .40 calibre at his side. Perhaps if everyone were carrying, society in general would have a better disposition.

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                                                    • Libertine
                                                      sex dwarf
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 17860

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                      Good, at least now women can walk down the street alone at night.

                                                      And I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than what you are telling us.
                                                      Yeah, there actually is more to the story: I forgot to mention that the guy in question is gay.

                                                      And if you think it's a "good" thing that idiots with weapons take the law into their own hands and victimize other people out of their own irrational fears, you're a pretty big idiot yourself.
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                                                      • baddog
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                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                        • 107089

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Hollywood376
                                                        I'm certainly more polite if I know someone has a .40 calibre at his side. Perhaps if everyone were carrying, society in general would have a better disposition.

                                                        Well, I remember being in the Cabbage Patch Bar in Florida, the place loaded with bikers.

                                                        One guy had a magnum strapped to his leg, and it was amazing how people did not bump him around, or try to take his bar stool.

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                                                        • baddog
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                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                          • 107089

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by punkworld
                                                          Yeah, there actually is more to the story: I forgot to mention that the guy in question is gay.

                                                          And if you think it's a "good" thing that idiots with weapons take the law into their own hands and victimize other people out of their own irrational fears, you're a pretty big idiot yourself.

                                                          He was gay? Like that matters? There is more to the story still.

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                                                          • dissipate
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                                                            • Nov 2005
                                                            • 8904

                                                            #30
                                                            Honestly I'm all for laws like this. If you're not some worthless waste of life criminal you have nothing to worry about.

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                                                            • Anthony
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                                                              • Feb 2001
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                                              Well, I remember being in the Cabbage Patch Bar in Florida, the place loaded with bikers.

                                                              One guy had a magnum strapped to his leg, and it was amazing how people did not bump him around, or try to take his bar stool.

                                                              How long was this, since it's illegal to carry a firearm in a place that serves alcohol, ie a Bar in FLA.

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                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                • 24984

                                                                #32
                                                                Anyone that thinks someone defending themselves from deadly harm deserves to goto prison is pretty daft.

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                                                                • Black Dog
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                  An armed society is a polite society.
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                                                                  • Wizzo
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    It gives law abiding citizens level ground with criminals... good stuff!
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                                                                    • Libertine
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                                                                      • May 2002
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                      He was gay? Like that matters? There is more to the story still.
                                                                      Yeah, that matters. It means the likelihood of him sexually propositioning her, harassing her, molesting her or whatever was pretty fucking small indeed.

                                                                      And if there was more to the story, the police certainly didn't find out. The chick got arrested, claimed she had felt threatened, went to court, got some hours of community service, and even apologized to the guy.
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                                                                      • Anthony
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Black Dog

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                                                                        • Libertine
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                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 17860

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
                                                                          Anyone that thinks someone defending themselves from deadly harm deserves to goto prison is pretty daft.
                                                                          It's not about defending yourself against deadly harm, it's about using deadly force to defend yourself against attack. Someone who gets attacked by a knife-wielding psycho and shoots the guy in the face doesn't deserve to go to jail. Someone who retaliates a punch with a shot to the face does.

                                                                          Quote from the article:
                                                                          The NRA and other supporters say the bills are needed in many states that require people under attack in public places to withdraw from the situation, rather than retaliate, unless they can show their lives are in danger.
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                                                                          • stickyfingerz
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                            It's not about defending yourself against deadly harm, it's about using deadly force to defend yourself against attack. Someone who gets attacked by a knife-wielding psycho and shoots the guy in the face doesn't deserve to go to jail. Someone who retaliates a punch with a shot to the face does.

                                                                            Quote from the article:
                                                                            Listen if someone assults me, or breaks in my house, or is putting my family in jeapordy its time for the zipper effect. And most gun owners know what im talkin about. A corpse aint going to sue you for injuries. Simple facts are. DONT commit a crime against someone not doing anything to you. DONT try and steal, DONT Break and enter, DONT assult someone with a weapon, and not expect you might die as a consequence.

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                                                                            • baddog
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Apr 2001
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                              How long was this, since it's illegal to carry a firearm in a place that serves alcohol, ie a Bar in FLA.

                                                                              1987, March to be exact.

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                                                                              • Anthony
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                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                • 9653

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                1987, March to be exact.
                                                                                Either way Bro, he was carrrying a firearm illegally in Florida.

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                                                                                • baddog
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                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                  • 107089

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                  Yeah, that matters. It means the likelihood of him sexually propositioning her, harassing her, molesting her or whatever was pretty fucking small indeed.

                                                                                  And if there was more to the story, the police certainly didn't find out. The chick got arrested, claimed she had felt threatened, went to court, got some hours of community service, and even apologized to the guy.

                                                                                  Guess what, gays can be crooks and murderers too.

                                                                                  Guess your friend was lucky.

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                                                                                  • Anthony
                                                                                    Keyboard Warrior
                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                    • 9653

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    He was gay? Like that matters? There is more to the story still.
                                                                                    I'm smelling something fishy too. I'm a very large, mean looking asian, I've had ppl cross streets when they see me, and I've never been pepper sprayed for walking too close to a woman.

                                                                                    Let's also not forget that the area for peper spray is 3 to 6 feet.

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                                                                                    • Libertine
                                                                                      sex dwarf
                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                      • 17860

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
                                                                                      Listen if someone assults me, or breaks in my house, or is putting my family in jeapordy its time for the zipper effect. And most gun owners know what im talkin about. A corpse aint going to sue you for injuries. Simple facts are. DONT commit a crime against someone not doing anything to you. DONT try and steal, DONT Break and enter, DONT assult someone with a weapon, and not expect you might die as a consequence.
                                                                                      You seem exactly like the kind of person I dread running around armed in the streets. You talk about "the zipper effect", a corpse not suing for injuries, and seem almost excited at the prospect of killing someone. In short, you seem just like the kind of person who might endanger people (possible criminals, yourself and the public) in a fit of rage after getting something stolen from you, getting into an argument or whatever.

                                                                                      But aside from that, imagine the following, simple scenario:

                                                                                      A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
                                                                                      B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
                                                                                      A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
                                                                                      B: Fuck off man!
                                                                                      A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
                                                                                      B: *punch* (illegal attack)
                                                                                      A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

                                                                                      Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B, thereby also risking the lives of innocent bystanders?
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                                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                                        • Apr 2001
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                        Either way Bro, he was carrrying a firearm illegally in Florida.
                                                                                        Well, if you have ever been to the Cabbage patch during Bike Week you may pick up on the fact that the laws are a little different there.

                                                                                        I don't know if he violated any law, but I know he got my attention.

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                                                                                        • baddog
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                          • 107089

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                          Let's also not forget that the area for peper spray is 3 to 6 feet.

                                                                                          Good point

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                                                                                          • escorpio
                                                                                            doesn't fuck around.
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 23487

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                            Someone who gets attacked by a knife-wielding psycho and shoots the guy in the face doesn't deserve to go to jail. Someone who retaliates a punch with a shot to the face does.
                                                                                            Why is that? I should wait to see just how bad this guy plans on harming me before I retaliate? Should I allow myself to be brutaly assaulted just because the other guy doesn't have a weapon and I should "fight fair"?
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                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                              You seem exactly like the kind of person I dread running around armed in the streets. You talk about "the zipper effect", a corpse not suing for injuries, and seem almost excited at the prospect of killing someone. In short, you seem just like the kind of person who might endanger people (possible criminals, yourself and the public) in a fit of rage after getting something stolen from you, getting into an argument or whatever.

                                                                                              But aside from that, imagine the following, simple scenario:

                                                                                              A: Hey asshole! Yeah you, you fucking fag!
                                                                                              B: What the fuck? Leave me alone man.
                                                                                              A: What's the matter, you fucking fairy? Shitting your pants yet?
                                                                                              B: Fuck off man!
                                                                                              A: Your mother was an AIDS-infested whore, you shithead!
                                                                                              B: *punch* (illegal attack)
                                                                                              A: *shoots B* (using deadly force in retaliation for an illegal attack)

                                                                                              Now, are you telling me A was well within his rights to shoot and kill B, thereby also risking the lives of innocent bystanders?

                                                                                              Let me get this straight . . . you are gay, and afraid people are going to start shooting at you?

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                                                                                              • EdgeXXX
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                                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                                • 5816

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                And I would be willing to bet there is more to the story than what you are telling us.
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                                                                                                • Evil1
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                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by punkworld
                                                                                                  B: *punch* (illegal attack)
                                                                                                  well see... B: fucked up right there. Goodbye B:.
                                                                                                  I bet if B: knew that half the people on the street had a glock on them, B: would not be wandering the streets starting fights.

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                                                                                                  • NoWhErE
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Sep 2005
                                                                                                    • 10583

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    You know... there wouldn't be such a problem if you enforced stricter gun control laws....

                                                                                                    or just banned them all together.



                                                                                                    The reason why punks walk around with guns is because, they have to assume that the person they are robbing/attacking are packing also. Its a vicious circle that can only be stopped by cutting at the root of the problem
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