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Old 03-12-2006, 06:37 AM   #1
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proxypass vs strongboxxx

The guys that say proxypass is better then strongboxxx what makes it better?
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Old 03-12-2006, 07:16 AM   #2
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Old 03-12-2006, 07:25 AM   #3
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i have one site running strongbox and the rest of the server runing proxxypass, the proxxy pass is one install and protects all your sites and does a damm good job, and SB is an install per site and never had a problem with either of them. just depends on which one you want to use. PP doesnt change the htaccess like SB does it just watches whos logging in
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Old 03-12-2006, 08:25 AM   #4
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I had no problems with I-Protect. Don't know anything about Strongbox...but I will say that Proxypass just didn't do the job.......
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:19 AM   #5
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Since I have proxypass, I dont have to care about members area protection. Thats it, no issues, no stress.
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Been using Strongboxxx on multiple sites for awile. Love it and Ray is on top of his game. Always responds to emails. Never used Proxy pass.
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We use both but use Proxypass on a very large load balance set up and it works faultlessly.
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Old 03-12-2006, 10:00 AM   #8
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I had no problems with I-Protect. Don't know anything about Strongbox...but I will say that Proxypass just didn't do the job.......
what probelms did you have with proxypass?
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I had no problems with I-Protect. Don't know anything about Strongbox...but I will say that Proxypass just didn't do the job.......
Have used both. Find strongboxxx to be better at doing it's job. RAY is great to work with once you get a hold of him. I have had my past issues with AWW and I even brought the idea of them intergrating SB with it years ago, looks like they did from some of the threads I have seen. On that note, I wouldn't mind seeing Strongbox intregrated with MAS and have Mansion support, THAT WOULD ROCK!. Anyway,. Proxypass, just didn't seem to do the job plus there was that monthly fee. Stongbox, was a one time buy. The interface for strongbox is simple, easy to use, but I find I rairly if ever need to even use it, I just let the program do it's job. It's been working for 2.5 years on the site and only issues I have ever had where due to moving a server, but was taken care of by Ray.
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proxypass is great and their customer serivce rocks. Any problem or question they are right on it .
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Old 03-12-2006, 03:21 PM   #11
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i know strongbox allows for single signon to multiple sites.. does proxypass?

Also how to both interact with SITEDEPTH cms?
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:21 AM   #12
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looks like proxypass wins for the better customer service
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:40 AM   #13
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looks like proxypass wins for the better customer service
yeah, because that is the most important thing when your site gets passwd hacked

in all honesty, I have had a bitch of time this past week getting strongboxxx installed...I personally think that Ray handing over installs and support to adultwebware was the worst move anyone could have possibly made

I for sure will NEVER recommend anything adultwebware, and I am so mad about how they handle shit that if I ever see a thread with their name in it I will not hesitate to tell that person to stay away from them

As far as Ray goes, he emailed me back and is investigating what is going on at AWW and why my install got so fucked up for strongboxxx

If it doesn't go as planned tomorrow, and if the install is not done correctly, I will be asking for a refeund or charging back....and the nice fellows at toomuch media have invited me to load up their new system, Sparta...which my sys admin has installed and says it is the best protection script he has ever seen
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in fact, this whole week has left such a bad taste in my mouth that the more I think about it the more I am probably just going to tell AWW to eat my nutsack, and go with Sparta
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:43 AM   #15
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i know strongbox allows for single signon to multiple sites.. does proxypass?

Also how to both interact with SITEDEPTH cms?
I don't think a members area protection script would have anything to do with a content management system

i have sitedepth, and it has not even come up how they work together...they are two seperate things
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:58 AM   #16
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Jace.. according to SD...

Strongbox modify SD files... and have caused probs doing this in the past....

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Jace.. according to SD...

Strongbox modify SD files... and have caused probs doing this in the past....

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interesting

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Old 03-13-2006, 05:02 AM   #18
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from SD tech support today, was asking them about what their clients used and issues they had...
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never had proxypass, but strongbox is way better then pennywize.
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I had no problems with I-Protect. Don't know anything about Strongbox...but I will say that Proxypass just didn't do the job.......
I-Protect is the dog's bollocks!!! I highly recommend it!

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Old 03-13-2006, 07:57 AM   #22
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I have used Strongbox, Password Sentry, and Proxy Pass. Out of the 3, I like Password Sentry much better and the support is awesome.
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from SD tech support today, was asking them about what their clients used and issues they had...
I just had Strongboxxx installed, and Ray did not have to touch any SD files...
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I just had Strongboxxx installed, and Ray did not have to touch any SD files...
I have a dozen or so strongbox installations, and I had severe problems with sitedepth and strongbox compability in the beginning, I had it fixed by them..and I assume now all SD/stongbox installations should be compatible.
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I just had Strongboxxx installed, and Ray did not have to touch any SD files...
so is Ray going to be the one to support it? im just interested long term.. strongboxx has the single sign on i want... and would be better for me than proxypass

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I use Strongbox for a period of time. It's quite strong and very easy to use. In some cases Ray could help to conect with end users and solve their problems directly. I think the service is very good.
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Okay sparta installed, and looks good so far
Can you keep us posted on this please as I am really interested to know how it goes and how well it works.
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so is Ray going to be the one to support it? im just interested long term.. strongboxx has the single sign on i want... and would be better for me than proxypass

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with proxypass the users have to sign in twice?
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with proxypass the users have to sign in twice?
bump for same question
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bump for same question
Nope - just once.
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happy with proxypass myself.. sign in twice? never heard of...
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Strongbox and SiteDepth work very nicely together on many, many sites.
Some time ago, there was a little compatibility issue with Strongbox and
SiteDepth's "New" list, but that's been well resolved. I actually told Jace that
there might need to be a setting adjustment in SiteDepth but that was a
brain fart - I was thinking of an old version of NATS that sometimes needed
a small tweak.

The thing about single sign on is if you have more than one site and you want to
link from the members' area of one site to the members' area of another.
With Strongbox, you can set it so that anyone who has access to site A automatically
has access to site B and never has to log in to site B. Once they log in to
one of your sites they can follow your links around to your various members'
areas without having to log in again. To the best of my knowledge only
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This has been an informative thread for me.
It seems that it can be summarized by saying that Strongbox is installed
per site, while Proxypass is per server. Strongbox is a one time fee of $100
(or less) per site, while Proxypass keeps billing you. Strongbox may be a
bit more effective, but Proxypass may answer customer support emails a
bit faster. Strongbox has some features that may be important to some people,
but not so important to most, like the "secure handoff" or "single sign on" system,
as well as supporting a wider range of password list formats. If you want those
features or think you may want them in the future, Strongbox is for you, but if you
don't plan on having any use for some of the extended features ProxyPass
may be a good option.

This highlights the fact that I need to hire a new customer support person to work
in my office under my direct supervision immediately.
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Sparta is 60 bucks BTW. Per domain setup. No monthly fees either.

Many friends use strongboxx and say it rocks too. Sparta is easy because it adds a simple link in the NATS admin...So everything is in one admin.
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Sparta is 60 bucks BTW. Per domain setup. No monthly fees either.

Many friends use strongboxx and say it rocks too. Sparta is easy because it adds a simple link in the NATS admin...So everything is in one admin.
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We use proxy pass and I would have to say the worries about password sharing, brute force attacks, just loads of stuff ends in one go. Put it this way the money you pay for Proxy Pass you make back double due to you having so much more time on your hands!
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On that note, I wouldn't mind seeing Strongbox intregrated with MAS and have Mansion support, THAT WOULD ROCK!. Anyway,.
Gerco,

Many of our clients use both Strongboxx as well as ProxyPass when using MAS. Works like a charm.

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