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morruga · 03-07-2006, 01:36 PM

i think that kid wont be able to listen any more... thanks mr crazy gun holder...

GO FUCK YOUR SELF

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dustman

I think every shopkeeper should immediately fire upon anyone committing armed robbery.

I think we should drop nukes on people who use handicap spots

we dont even know this guy was armed , lets not get ahead of ourselves

Obviously things arent as cut and dry as that..

If a crackhead walked into a packed daycare with a shotgun asking for $5 , you think the owners should open fire ? get real

Pipecrew · 03-07-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I think we should drop nukes on people who use handicap spots

we dont even know this guy was armed , lets not get ahead of ourselves

Obviously things arent as cut and dry as that..

If a crackhead walked into a packed daycare with a shotgun asking for $5 , you think the owners should open fire ? get real

In Texas?

com · 03-07-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

not a trained police officer. maybe a hick moronic cop who doesnt care about the public..

If a police officer did that here he would be in jail.

I dont doubt most police officers would have done the same thing, that doesnt make it right , it makes most cops idiots...

Its not rocket science.. if you pull a gun out with intent to shoot it around a baby , when the other person has no intentions or possibly not even a weapon.. YOUR AN IDIOT , plain and simple.

We dont see a weapon we dont hear a threat. all we see is a guy blasting another guy in the back several times as he tries to get away.

I usually aggree with your posts but you obviously dont know many cops or much about volatile situations like this one. The instructer acted perfectly. He neutralized the threat when it presented itself in the safest possible manner. He deserves a pat on the back; and I bet you the woman and child had no complaints on how it turned out.

CheeseFrog · 03-07-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

not a trained police officer. maybe a hick moronic cop who doesnt care about the public..

If a police officer did that here he would be in jail.

I dont doubt most police officers would have done the same thing, that doesnt make it right , it makes most cops idiots...

Its not rocket science.. if you pull a gun out with intent to shoot it around a baby , when the other person has no intentions or possibly not even a weapon.. YOUR AN IDIOT , plain and simple.

We dont see a weapon we dont hear a threat. all we see is a guy blasting another guy in the back several times as he tries to get away.

Yeah, but you can infer from the verdict that the shopkeep was justified in the shooting. And if the perp was just an average joe customer who wasn't doing anything wrong, why is he in jail? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the judge and laywers are of sound mind and were privey to all kinds of information that we didn't get from the video.

com · 03-07-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by morruga

i think that kid wont be able to listen any more... thanks mr crazy gun holder...

GO FUCK YOUR SELF

Note the kid barely flinches; a 9mm going off in a room like that is barely as loud as a black cat... It could only be worse.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog

Yeah, but you can infer from the verdict that the shopkeep was justified in the shooting. And if the perp was just an average joe customer who wasn't doing anything wrong, why is he in jail? I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the judge and laywers are of sound mind and were privey to all kinds of information that we didn't get from the video.

i totally agree with you there , i was speaking from our perspective watching the video..

Chances are he DID have a gun and he DID threaten the person with bodily hard BEFORE the guy shot the robber

I was sort of taking the devils advocate roll from what we KNOW from the video.. we dont see a weapon , the audio is cut out , and the beginning seems to skip out as he enters..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by com

I usually aggree with your posts but you obviously dont know many cops or much about volatile situations like this one. The instructer acted perfectly. He neutralized the threat when it presented itself in the safest possible manner. He deserves a pat on the back; and I bet you the woman and child had no complaints on how it turned out.

we have differing opinions then , it happens

The woman has no complaints because she is obviously an idiot not protecting her child in any way , the child isnt old enough to talk most likely so she wont be thanking anyone .

The guy did NOT act perfectly , he continued to pursue the robber before he worried about the safety of the customers. He shot an apparently unarmed uncobative man in the back as he tried to run away.. if thats a perfect shooting then yes we disagree..

again i must state , HE ISNT A COP , im not a cop im not trained to handle those situations and im sure neither is he , so i'm not trying to say i wouldn't have done THE EXACT SAME THING

Its easy to play arm chair robbery , but not so easy when your in the situation..

Hopefully i would have been able to handle it BETTER, but realistically i wouldnt have..

Drake · 03-07-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

for all we know he asked " do you sell ski masks ? " or " does this ski mask fit right ?

No........ if that was the case, the NRA guy would be in jail.

com · 03-07-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

we have differing opinions then , it happens

The woman has no complaints because she is obviously an idiot not protecting her child in any way , the child isnt old enough to talk most likely so she wont be thanking anyone .

The guy did NOT act perfectly , he continued to pursue the robber before he worried about the safety of the customers. He shot an apparently unarmed uncobative man in the back as he tried to run away.. if thats a perfect shooting then yes we disagree..

again i must state , HE ISNT A COP , im not a cop im not trained to handle those situations and im sure neither is he , so i'm not trying to say i wouldn't have done THE EXACT SAME THING

Its easy to play arm chair robbery , but not so easy when your in the situation..

Hopefully i would have been able to handle it BETTER, but realistically i wouldnt have..

Sounded like he was armed to me.

From the original post:
the guy who shot back was an NRA firearms instructor.

he said that the perp raise his gun towards him when he seen the NRA guy start to draw down on him, thats when he fired at the robber.

Drake · 03-07-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

robbers shooting the victims after a succesfull robbery is about as likely as getting strucvk by lightning, it happens in the movies , in real life it doesnt usually happen that way.. and i have never heard of a robber shooting a baby , EVER , i have heard of babies getting hit by stray fire from a store owner/police , many times , but never from a robber...

You're right about this. But when you're in a situation like the one we see on the film, you're less concerned about the statistics and more concerned about fending off somebody who is threatening your life. Even if 0.01% of robbers shoot their victims, you don't want to be in that 0.01% statistic.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 02:04 PM

to me its just simple math

How many times do robbers walk into a place and shoot unarmed shopkeepers and/or their customers.. ?

Ok now how many times do robbers get in a gunfight with the store owner and someone gets shot .. hmmmmmmmm

Its not hard math.. your chances DECREASE at an alarming rate as soon as you pull a weapon out.

So without anything else , as soon as he pulled his weapon out he just DECREASED the chances of him and his customers of leaving the store alive..

Thats called simple math.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

No........ if that was the case, the NRA guy would be in jail.

Thats what you would think wouldn't you..

and oj is innocent.. , just because your in jail doesn't make you guilty , just as being free doesn't make you innocent..

com · 03-07-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

to me its just simple math

How many times do robbers walk into a place and shoot unarmed shopkeepers and/or their customers.. ?

Ok now how many times do robbers get in a gunfight with the store owner and someone gets shot .. hmmmmmmmm

Its not hard math.. your chances DECREASE at an alarming rate as soon as you pull a weapon out.

So without anything else , as soon as he pulled his weapon out he just DECREASED the chances of him and his customers of leaving the store alive..

Thats called simple math.

when was the last time you had someone put a loaded gun in your face? You can only assume they mean you harm... it's alot more than simple math; that's why it's a judgement call.

edit: it seems to me that best judgement was used

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by com

when was the last time you had someone put a loaded gun in your face? You can only assume they mean you harm... it's alot more than simple math; that's why it's a judgement call.

edit: it seems to me that best judgement was used

i have had it happen on a few dozen occasion.. a few by cops.. prob would have at least a half dozen kills on my record if i shot someone everytime they pointed a gun at me..

I agree obviously a judgement call is needed in any situation , im going only by the facts from the video.

If the guy was a repeat serial killer who murdered shopkeepers and said im here to rape and kill you all and take the money , your still statistcally more likely to get shot once you pull out your weapon but realistically , your dead if you dont..

Greg B · 03-07-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

i am a member on a gun forum board where one of the members was involved in a shootout.

this happened in ohio.

http://media.putfile.com/How-To-Make-Swiss-Cheese80

the guy who shot back was an NRA firearms instructor.

he said that the perp raise his gun towards him when he seen the NRA guy start to draw down on him, thats when he fired at the robber.

the video makes it look like the baby is closer to the muzzle of the weapon than the baby actually was. the baby was 3 feet or more to the right of the good guys gun.

the robber was hit with all 3 rounds fired. he lived & got 7 years.

the NRA instructor was found innocent.

crackhead boy will think twice before robbing his next victim.

Here's what's right and wrong about this entire scenario.

1.) The fucking counter top is NOT a baby seat. The establishment exchanges money and a baby on top of the counter, whether held by it's mother or not is WRONG.

2.) The NRA guy who is armed is sitting down BEHIND and BELOW his defensive and offensive field of view and platform. He's on a computer and he can't see the perpetrator enter. Note that the perpetrator is wearing all black and a ski mask and is well inside the door before action is begun.

3.) The counter girl is smart. She doesn't hesitate and goes to give the money immediately. Money is insured but it ain't worth dying for.

4.) The counter girl is to the right of the NRA guy. His field of view and defensive platform are compromised by her presence and girth. She's no small fry woman and he has to step around her in order to draw his weapon. He does so and clearly telegraphs his moves. I'm surprised he and the counter girl weren't shot.

5.) As the perp makes a hasty retreat while the NRA guy's weapon is being discharged he is still able to make it to the door. No. The first round should have dropped his ass to the ground. He was still moving with weapon in hand. No. Weapon in hand means one shot, one kill.

6.) The NRA guy stands there posing with weapon in hand INSIDE the store while the baby and mother are still within the action platform! It 'looks' as though the perp is down outside but where's the weapon? Does the NRA guy go and disarm him to make sure? Does anyone order the mother and baby to go behind the counter to safety? Were ricochet solutions considered?

7.) Shooting him in the back is NOT an act of cowardice. He was moving AND still had a weapon. As long as he had that weapon OR the NRA guy reasonably believed he may have had a second weapon, his option was to stop his ass cold. A gun is the manifestation of one statement: "I said stop NOW!".

This could have turned into a worse case scenario. The mother and establishment were at fault with the baby on the shelf in the first place. Luckily the NRA guy is a good enough shot and the perpetrator an asshole or all could have been lost.

If you're carrying a firearm as defense of an establishment you drill, drill, drill and maximize all field control options. Not, jump up and draw your gun slower than a Star Wars Stormtrooper.

It's a scary moment in a gunfight but cool heads and sharp wits will prevail. 9 times out of 10 a robber will not shoot if things go as smoothly. Yet you never know and it's a case by case basis on what to do. In this case the robber is lucky his ass is alive.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

So tired of liberal fucks making excuses for fuckups like this crackhead.. The crackhead is "NOT" the victim here.

so tired of people that cant read. NOBODY is sticking up for the "crackhead".. nobody said the crackhead is the VICTIM. grab a clue..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-07-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Here's what's right and wrong about this entire scenario.

1.) The fucking counter top is NOT a baby seat. The establishment exchanges money and a baby on top of the counter, whether held by it's mother or not is WRONG.

2.) The NRA guy who is armed is sitting down BEHIND and BELOW his defensive and offensive field of view and platform. He's on a computer and he can't see the perpetrator enter. Note that the perpetrator is wearing all black and a ski mask and is well inside the door before action is begun.

3.) The counter girl is smart. She doesn't hesitate and goes to give the money immediately. Money is insured but it ain't worth dying for.

4.) The counter girl is to the right of the NRA guy. His field of view and defensive platform are compromised by her presence and girth. She's no small fry woman and he has to step around her in order to draw his weapon. He does so and clearly telegraphs his moves. I'm surprised he and the counter girl weren't shot.

5.) As the perp makes a hasty retreat while the NRA guy's weapon is being discharged he is still able to make it to the door. No. The first round should have dropped his ass to the ground. He was still moving with weapon in hand. No. Weapon in hand means one shot, one kill.

6.) The NRA guy stands there posing with weapon in hand INSIDE the store while the baby and mother are still within the action platform! It 'looks' as though the perp is down outside but where's the weapon? Does the NRA guy go and disarm him to make sure? Does anyone order the mother and baby to go behind the counter to safety? Were ricochet solutions considered?

7.) Shooting him in the back is NOT an act of cowardice. He was moving AND still had a weapon. As long as he had that weapon OR the NRA guy reasonably believed he may have had a second weapon, his option was to stop his ass cold. A gun is the manifestation of one statement: "I said stop NOW!".

This could have turned into a worse case scenario. The mother and establishment were at fault with the baby on the shelf in the first place. Luckily the NRA guy is a good enough shot and the perpetrator an asshole or all could have been lost.

If you're carrying a firearm as defense of an establishment you drill, drill, drill and maximize all field control options. Not, jump up and draw your gun slower than a Star Wars Stormtrooper.

It's a scary moment in a gunfight but cool heads and sharp wits will prevail. 9 times out of 10 a robber will not shoot if things go as smoothly. Yet you never know and it's a case by case basis on what to do. In this case the robber is lucky his ass is alive.

great assesment.

MikeyFingaz · 03-07-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Here's what's right and wrong about this entire scenario.

1.) The fucking counter top is NOT a baby seat. The establishment exchanges money and a baby on top of the counter, whether held by it's mother or not is WRONG.

2.) The NRA guy who is armed is sitting down BEHIND and BELOW his defensive and offensive field of view and platform. He's on a computer and he can't see the perpetrator enter. Note that the perpetrator is wearing all black and a ski mask and is well inside the door before action is begun.

3.) The counter girl is smart. She doesn't hesitate and goes to give the money immediately. Money is insured but it ain't worth dying for.

4.) The counter girl is to the right of the NRA guy. His field of view and defensive platform are compromised by her presence and girth. She's no small fry woman and he has to step around her in order to draw his weapon. He does so and clearly telegraphs his moves. I'm surprised he and the counter girl weren't shot.

5.) As the perp makes a hasty retreat while the NRA guy's weapon is being discharged he is still able to make it to the door. No. The first round should have dropped his ass to the ground. He was still moving with weapon in hand. No. Weapon in hand means one shot, one kill.

6.) The NRA guy stands there posing with weapon in hand INSIDE the store while the baby and mother are still within the action platform! It 'looks' as though the perp is down outside but where's the weapon? Does the NRA guy go and disarm him to make sure? Does anyone order the mother and baby to go behind the counter to safety? Were ricochet solutions considered?

7.) Shooting him in the back is NOT an act of cowardice. He was moving AND still had a weapon. As long as he had that weapon OR the NRA guy reasonably believed he may have had a second weapon, his option was to stop his ass cold. A gun is the manifestation of one statement: "I said stop NOW!".

This could have turned into a worse case scenario. The mother and establishment were at fault with the baby on the shelf in the first place. Luckily the NRA guy is a good enough shot and the perpetrator an asshole or all could have been lost.

If you're carrying a firearm as defense of an establishment you drill, drill, drill and maximize all field control options. Not, jump up and draw your gun slower than a Star Wars Stormtrooper.

It's a scary moment in a gunfight but cool heads and sharp wits will prevail. 9 times out of 10 a robber will not shoot if things go as smoothly. Yet you never know and it's a case by case basis on what to do. In this case the robber is lucky his ass is alive.

all 3 rounds struck the robber..... do not think that there is such a thing as "one sot one kill" that is sniper & movie talk...

80% of people shot with a handgun live, even after being hit multiple times.

MikeyFingaz · 03-07-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Here's what's right and wrong about this entire scenario.

1.) The fucking counter top is NOT a baby seat. The establishment exchanges money and a baby on top of the counter, whether held by it's mother or not is WRONG.

2.) The NRA guy who is armed is sitting down BEHIND and BELOW his defensive and offensive field of view and platform. He's on a computer and he can't see the perpetrator enter. Note that the perpetrator is wearing all black and a ski mask and is well inside the door before action is begun.

3.) The counter girl is smart. She doesn't hesitate and goes to give the money immediately. Money is insured but it ain't worth dying for.

4.) The counter girl is to the right of the NRA guy. His field of view and defensive platform are compromised by her presence and girth. She's no small fry woman and he has to step around her in order to draw his weapon. He does so and clearly telegraphs his moves. I'm surprised he and the counter girl weren't shot.

5.) As the perp makes a hasty retreat while the NRA guy's weapon is being discharged he is still able to make it to the door. No. The first round should have dropped his ass to the ground. He was still moving with weapon in hand. No. Weapon in hand means one shot, one kill.

6.) The NRA guy stands there posing with weapon in hand INSIDE the store while the baby and mother are still within the action platform! It 'looks' as though the perp is down outside but where's the weapon? Does the NRA guy go and disarm him to make sure? Does anyone order the mother and baby to go behind the counter to safety? Were ricochet solutions considered?

7.) Shooting him in the back is NOT an act of cowardice. He was moving AND still had a weapon. As long as he had that weapon OR the NRA guy reasonably believed he may have had a second weapon, his option was to stop his ass cold. A gun is the manifestation of one statement: "I said stop NOW!".

This could have turned into a worse case scenario. The mother and establishment were at fault with the baby on the shelf in the first place. Luckily the NRA guy is a good enough shot and the perpetrator an asshole or all could have been lost.

If you're carrying a firearm as defense of an establishment you drill, drill, drill and maximize all field control options. Not, jump up and draw your gun slower than a Star Wars Stormtrooper.

It's a scary moment in a gunfight but cool heads and sharp wits will prevail. 9 times out of 10 a robber will not shoot if things go as smoothly. Yet you never know and it's a case by case basis on what to do. In this case the robber is lucky his ass is alive.

ther is no such thing as "one shot one kill" certainty.... that is sniper talk & too many movie lines.

80% of all people shot with a handgun survive, even if hit multiple times...

MikeyFingaz · 03-07-2006, 04:26 PM

also for smokey:

the robber DID have a gun & was raising it to engage the NRA i.nstructor

it was in ohio & we have the "obligation to retreat law"

but apparently, the judge found that he was justified.

also, the guy from the forum said that the man saying things like "hurry up before i shoot you" & other things that a lowlife like this robber would say.

i agree that that baby was in close proximity, but situations like this are never ideal to begin with. the NRA guy didnt "use an unarmed victim for cover".

and lots of robbers do shoot there victims after they have successfully obtained the money & dont have to do anything else but leave.

why they would shoot someone they just successfully robbed i have no idea, but i can tell you this. a woman in my hometown was shot & killed by a robber who came into her convienience stor. after he had they money he could have easily turned & ran away. but for some reason, he shot her in the face multiple times.

also you say that the NRA guy put everyone in unneccessary danger... but everyone was ALREADY in danger when the guy came in with a gun to rob the place.

ok people look.... sociopaths exist... whatever is wrong with thier mental wiring to make them be that way we have no idea... sociopaths have a strange want to hurt & kill people... violent crime in america is an epidemic, the reason why is because of all the criminal coddling laws... it seems that violent offenders in this country have more rights than the victim, because some jackass always wants to make excuses for the bad guy saying things like "he was disadvantaged & poor. he had to commit that crime because society put him in a situation where he had no other choice".... bullshit...

i am not a "gun nut" who wants to be able to shoot someone... but i am not willing to be a victim to a scumbag like this guy.... also, all of us who are willing to defend our lifes from the criminal degenerates in society are not "gun nuts".... we are people who choose not to be a victim & nothing more....

i agree that the whole situation was not ideal, but when is it ever ideal...

for the record, the mother of that baby wrote a letter in his defense saying that she felt that her life was probably saved that day...

i just domt understand why anyone would fualt the law abidin citizen, & give any recourse to the bad guy... saying things like "just let him take the money & leave" encourages criminals to continue thier ways.... its no different than raising a spoiled child.... it is human nature to continue to do things if you are not punished for them...

i might not agree with what some of you are saying. but i will defend your right to say it

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i am not a violent person... i am a prudent man who will not tolerate an attack from a dirtbag like this... i hope that none of us are ever put in this situation.....

i have had a gun pointed in my face & the guy holding it was asking his homeboys if he should shoot.... i was scared that i was going to die.... i thought about my mom crying at my funeral, and my then girlfriend, & all my other family.... i also kept thinking to myself "this fucking punk has the nerve to pull a gun out & ask his homies if he should shoot me" i was also thinking " if i had a gun & could get to it without being shot first that i would have killed that piece of shit right there"

but that is just me.

MikeyFingaz · 03-07-2006, 04:26 PM

edited to say : double post... gfy has been kinda fucking up on my computer lately.

tranza · 03-07-2006, 05:51 PM

nice shots

com · 03-08-2006, 04:08 AM

Must have been one zen ass NRA kid; I would have put 3 in the back of their face

Ross · 03-08-2006, 04:16 AM

I don't give a fuck how experienced this guy is with guns. The criminal looks like a fucking idiot who could have done anything. That so called good guy should be locked up. His company has insurance, what if the bad guy had fired and hit that baby and mother?

Fucking irresponsible asshole!

com · 03-08-2006, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz

ther is no such thing as "one shot one kill" certainty.... that is sniper talk & too many movie lines.

80% of all people shot with a handgun survive, even if hit multiple times...

I can and have shot a 1" 1000 metre group; and there is a one shot one kill. However there is always a tool for the job!

Teodora · 03-08-2006, 05:05 AM

man! he is a superhero! a real one! he doesn't care how many children's lives he is taking away... mad mad mad

Anthony · 03-09-2006, 09:12 AM

This was posted by the guy who shot the robber on the AR15.com forums:

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Thanks for all the responses. My roomate is excist and reflect. I'd like to start out saying that it looks as though I am shooting close to the baby, but I am not. The camera angle makes it look as though the little girl is right there, but is a good deal away. Even if the mother didn't grab the baby, the shots wouldn't have come close I don't think, but if the baby was in the way, I just wouldn't have pulled the trigger. The second thing I'd like to say is that I didn't get up in the morning saying I would sure love to pop someone today. The robber chose the time and the place, I didn't ask for it. There are two types of people in this world, those who will take action and those that won't. I assessed the risk as fast as I could at that exact moment. A .45 long colt looks very menacing when your on the buisness end of it. I have been tought to meet force with force, and to open up quick and violently. Things may have played out differntly had my coworker not have been there. Maybe I would have tried to draw down, maybe I wouldn't have, or maybe I would have looked for another oppritunity to draw. I had to get behind her so he couldn't see what was going on. I brought my gun up on to target and was in the middle of yelling for him to drop the weapon when he jumped back and pullled the gun up. I ducked out of the way for a moment and popped back up firing when my weapon was on target.

As far as using the front sights, I did, using my flash sight picture. Now with shooting in the back, yes, he got nailed in the back, but the time from when my gun clears my holster to when he's laying on the ground is roughly 2.9 seconds. That doesn't give you a whole lot of time to think, but even so, if he didn't want to get shot, he should have put the weapon down. You don't make a sudden movement, especially with a gun in your hand in that type of situation. I feel confident in my skills as I shoot almost every weekend, I hold a CCW, and am also an NRA instructor for home firearm safety, basic pistol, and personal protection. No one knows how they are going to respond to a situation when they get thrust into it. I felt very threatend and did what I have been tought to do.

Whoever called B.S on excist and reflect not bieng my friend, here is a pic. I also have a profile on Gunsnet.net, I am Rooftop voter on there which this is posted at I guess too. We regularly use each others accounts since we use the same computer each of our profiles pops up, no real need to log out and then back in.

*picture here*

Now as far as people bieng in the way and all that, I doubt you will ever get perfect conditions. You respond to situations as they come and make adjustments accordingly. If some crazy asshole opens fire in a mall, some of you with CCW may want to run, which is fine, it's a natural reaction and perfectly normal. I myself along with a few other would probably decide to take cover and stop the threat. I believe it is my job while armed to not only protect myself, but others that may be in harms way and that I believe I am in a position to help. Some of you may think that's the wrong way to think, which is also ok, but to each his own. I have to make my decisions as you may have to make yours, and nobody gets to make that decision for you.

By the way, the woman in the video was not pissed, actually just the opposite. She thanked me a whole lot, and so did my co worker. She also wrote me a long letter expressing her gratitude, and is now a firearm owner waiting to get a ccw. I was never charged with anything. The police, aswell as the prosecutors viewed this in a very positive light, especially with all the witness statements in my favor. The police tend to look at things more favorably when the person who gets hurt is a multiple felon in the middle of commiting a few more felonys.

ColBigBalls · 03-09-2006, 10:01 AM

Nice shooting heh first shot hits the roof

LexiLexxx · 03-09-2006, 10:21 AM

Yep, Crack head boy got what he deserved :-)

So glad he lived to serve his 7 yrs in jail.

I know a place down the road that buys and sells diamonds and gold, he was robbed and shoot 7 times, he also shot back at the crack heads. He recovered and is back at his business. Crack/Meths heads, should be shot!

Greg B · 03-09-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

This was posted by the guy who shot the robber on the AR15.com forums:

ROFL! He used the fat chick in the vid as a shield? He never explained why the fuck the baby was sitting on the counter in the first place.

The opportunity for a fucked up situation was established and a fucked up situation occured.

Sure he did the world a favor by sending that crazy fuck robber to jail but that whole situation could have turned out more f-ed up.

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03-07-2006, 02:04 PM	#112
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	to me its just simple math How many times do robbers walk into a place and shoot unarmed shopkeepers and/or their customers.. ? Ok now how many times do robbers get in a gunfight with the store owner and someone gets shot .. hmmmmmmmm Its not hard math.. your chances DECREASE at an alarming rate as soon as you pull a weapon out. So without anything else , as soon as he pulled his weapon out he just DECREASED the chances of him and his customers of leaving the store alive.. Thats called simple math. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-07-2006, 04:26 PM	#121
MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	also for smokey: the robber DID have a gun & was raising it to engage the NRA i.nstructor it was in ohio & we have the "obligation to retreat law" but apparently, the judge found that he was justified. also, the guy from the forum said that the man saying things like "hurry up before i shoot you" & other things that a lowlife like this robber would say. i agree that that baby was in close proximity, but situations like this are never ideal to begin with. the NRA guy didnt "use an unarmed victim for cover". and lots of robbers do shoot there victims after they have successfully obtained the money & dont have to do anything else but leave. why they would shoot someone they just successfully robbed i have no idea, but i can tell you this. a woman in my hometown was shot & killed by a robber who came into her convienience stor. after he had they money he could have easily turned & ran away. but for some reason, he shot her in the face multiple times. also you say that the NRA guy put everyone in unneccessary danger... but everyone was ALREADY in danger when the guy came in with a gun to rob the place. ok people look.... sociopaths exist... whatever is wrong with thier mental wiring to make them be that way we have no idea... sociopaths have a strange want to hurt & kill people... violent crime in america is an epidemic, the reason why is because of all the criminal coddling laws... it seems that violent offenders in this country have more rights than the victim, because some jackass always wants to make excuses for the bad guy saying things like "he was disadvantaged & poor. he had to commit that crime because society put him in a situation where he had no other choice".... bullshit... i am not a "gun nut" who wants to be able to shoot someone... but i am not willing to be a victim to a scumbag like this guy.... also, all of us who are willing to defend our lifes from the criminal degenerates in society are not "gun nuts".... we are people who choose not to be a victim & nothing more.... i agree that the whole situation was not ideal, but when is it ever ideal... for the record, the mother of that baby wrote a letter in his defense saying that she felt that her life was probably saved that day... i just domt understand why anyone would fualt the law abidin citizen, & give any recourse to the bad guy... saying things like "just let him take the money & leave" encourages criminals to continue thier ways.... its no different than raising a spoiled child.... it is human nature to continue to do things if you are not punished for them... i might not agree with what some of you are saying. but i will defend your right to say it: i am not a violent person... i am a prudent man who will not tolerate an attack from a dirtbag like this... i hope that none of us are ever put in this situation..... i have had a gun pointed in my face & the guy holding it was asking his homeboys if he should shoot.... i was scared that i was going to die.... i thought about my mom crying at my funeral, and my then girlfriend, & all my other family.... i also kept thinking to myself "this fucking punk has the nerve to pull a gun out & ask his homies if he should shoot me" i was also thinking " if i had a gun & could get to it without being shot first that i would have killed that piece of shit right there" but that is just me. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH

03-07-2006, 04:26 PM	#122
MikeyFingaz Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: next to the retards Posts: 1,569	edited to say : double post... gfy has been kinda fucking up on my computer lately. __________________ ONLY AT JAYMANCASH Last edited by MikeyFingaz; 03-07-2006 at 04:28 PM..

03-07-2006, 05:51 PM	#123
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	nice shots __________________ I'm just a newbie.

03-08-2006, 04:08 AM	#124
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03-08-2006, 04:16 AM	#125
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	I don't give a fuck how experienced this guy is with guns. The criminal looks like a fucking idiot who could have done anything. That so called good guy should be locked up. His company has insurance, what if the bad guy had fired and hit that baby and mother? Fucking irresponsible asshole!

03-08-2006, 05:05 AM	#127
Teodora Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hungary Posts: 471	man! he is a superhero! a real one! he doesn't care how many children's lives he is taking away... mad mad mad __________________ LIVE SEX AWARDS MAY 24-25, 2006 THE LARGEST WEBMASTER AND PERFORMER PRIZES EVER AWARDED - $100,000.00

03-09-2006, 10:01 AM	#129
ColBigBalls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,733	Nice shooting heh first shot hits the roof

03-09-2006, 10:21 AM	#130
LexiLexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Vegas, Baby!!!! Posts: 2,510	Yep, Crack head boy got what he deserved :-) So glad he lived to serve his 7 yrs in jail. I know a place down the road that buys and sells diamonds and gold, he was robbed and shoot 7 times, he also shot back at the crack heads. He recovered and is back at his business. Crack/Meths heads, should be shot!