Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites? - GoFuckYourself.com

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:01 PM

Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites? What kind of a stupid rule is that? I bet if we were involved in the gambling market it would be about 100x times bigger than it is right now! And we would dominate it too!

I hope they change this ridiculous rule soon.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:12 PM

No one caressssssss

You know how many people are addicted to gambling? Much more than porn! We are talking about serious $ here.

pocketkangaroo · 09-03-2005, 05:13 PM

What do you mean? Are you saying it is illegal to be an affiliate of a gambling site? Or that they aren't allowed in the US?

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

What do you mean? Are you saying it is illegal to be an affiliate of a gambling site? Or that they aren't allowed in the US?

Thats right! It is illegal to make anykind of $ from gambling if you are in the US. Forget about making you're own website.

Ninja Scripts · 09-03-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

What do you mean? Are you saying it is illegal to be an affiliate of a gambling site? Or that they aren't allowed in the US?

It is illegal in US to advertise gambling sites. That's why the TV ads for the poker sites changed to .net and they call it a free poker school. Pretty shitty and he is right, lots more money in gambling than pr0n.

bringer · 09-03-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts

It is illegal in US to advertise gambling sites. That's why the TV ads for the poker sites changed to .net and they call it a free poker school. Pretty shitty and he is right, lots more money in gambling than pr0n.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:17 PM

If you hook in those addicted gamblers then fucking forget how much $ you can make.

Forget about $35 per month for porn sites. These people spend k's and k's of $ per month.

Ninja Scripts · 09-03-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

If you hook in those addicted gamblers then fucking forget how much $ you can make.

Forget about $35 per month for porn sites. These people spend k's and k's of $ per month.

Same goes for webcams.

See sig.

Ray Nagin · 09-03-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

If you hook in those addicted gamblers then fucking forget how much $ you can make.

Forget about $35 per month for porn sites. These people spend k's and k's of $ per month.

ya, if only it was that simple

bringer · 09-03-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

If you hook in those addicted gamblers then fucking forget how much $ you can make.

Forget about $35 per month for porn sites. These people spend k's and k's of $ per month.

click here!

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:19 PM

If US makes it legal for us to make gambling websites then i would quit everything i am doing now and jump boat QUICK!

You all be like wtf happend to xlogger?

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 05:20 PM

Like there's not enough land based casino gambling addicts with destroyed families, you want to bring that into every home? All casino softwares are rigged to give the house advantage, so it's a complete waste of money to gamble against a 'virtual dealer'.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Like there's not enough land based casino gambling addicts with destroyed families, you want to bring that into every home? All casino softwares are rigged to give the house advantage, so it's a complete waste of money to gamble against a 'virtual dealer'.

Addicts are always thinking about gambing. When they are online they think about it. All you have to do is feed their addiction and milk the $ right out of their hands.

Obiously the house always wins. We are not here to make them $, we are here to make ourself $.

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 05:31 PM

Would you be able to sleep at night knowing the money you're making comes from other's family bankruptcies?

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:32 PM

Just an stupid example here.

Owning a gambling is like being a drug dealer. Do you see a drug dealer that says "damn dude, i have fucking too much rock - i cant sell them all!".

Fuck no, almost all of his coustomer are addicted. His clients grow every day and they buy from him every week. Some want to quit but they cant.

(i said it was a stupid example, i cant compare it to anything elce)

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Would you be able to sleep at night knowing the money you're making comes from other's family bankruptcies?

I would have absolutely no problem sleeping at night. It is not my falt that they dont have the will power to quit. Im just providing them a medium.

Obiously they are addicted, if they dont get it from me they will go gamble some where elce. So might as well be me making the $.

hydro · 09-03-2005, 05:36 PM

<spam>
if anybody needs a casino/sports book/p2p poker setup pm me. $30k and you get the full source code. You will need 2 unix servers to use the software. I also have multiple player databases with name,address,city,state,zip,phone,email, ip, timestamp, card type, and deposit ammount.
</spam>

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hydro

I also have multiple player databases with name,address,city,state,zip,phone,email, ip, timestamp, card type, and deposit ammount.

So that's why I keep getting spam from casinos I never played on, even get letters on the mail with installation cd's.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:43 PM

hehe jarmusch, are you addicted to gambling? (i know you will say no here because most never admit they are addicted)

KRL · 09-03-2005, 05:45 PM

Because Steve Wynn, and all the other casino operators in Vegas don't want you taking money out of their pockets.

phonesex · 09-03-2005, 05:49 PM

What are the best casino affiliate programs out there?

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

hehe jarmusch, are you addicted to gambling? (i know you will say no here because most never admit they are addicted)

Some years ago I would consider myself an addict, but not now. I played in alot of casinos some years back, and yes I came close to bankruptcy. Now I just think that's the stupidiest and quickest way to make your wallet lighter and don't care about it. But looks like that shit is gonna haunt me for the rest of my life.

woj · 09-03-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Because Steve Wynn, and all the other casino operators in Vegas don't want you taking money out of their pockets.

so true

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Some years ago I would consider myself an addict, but not now.

So gambling would be on you're mind 24/7, yes?

And you would have like a fav casino that you always went to, right?

Oracle Porn · 09-03-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

If US makes it legal for us to make gambling websites then i would quit everything i am doing now and jump boat QUICK!

You all be like wtf happend to xlogger?

IF it was legal how would you promote it?

Alky · 09-03-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Because Steve Wynn, and all the other casino operators in Vegas don't want you taking money out of their pockets.

exactly... they make far to much for the gov to let some webmasters make money for other countries.

it really wasn't a tough answer xlogger.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

IF it was legal how would you promote it?

I would be in adult for 5 years, save $, make my own site.

And i dont know how i will promote it, i will play it by ear. I donno.

(i still plan on doing this, i will just move to another country if its not legal here by then.

)

detoxed · 09-03-2005, 05:59 PM

sucks doesnt it

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

So gambling would be on you're mind 24/7, yes?

And you would have like a fav casino that you always went to, right?

I know where you're getting at. The answer remains no, I wouldn't promote casinos. Hell, I'm not in the US so I can promote if I want, but I chose not to.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 06:06 PM

Porn is also addictive, that is why i choose to be an adult webmaster. But it does not even come close to gambling addiction.

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Porn is also addictive, that is why i choose to be an adult webmaster. But it does not even come close to gambling addiction.

And it's not easy to spend $1000.00 in one night in porn sites (unless it's live cams). Point is, porn does less damage to the surfer than casinos.

Alky · 09-03-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

And it's not easy to spend $1000.00 in one night in porn sites (unless it's live cams). Point is, porn does less damage to the surfer than casinos.

are you sure? live cam shows can be very costly, and addicting.

nico-t · 09-03-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites? What kind of a stupid rule is that? I bet if we were involved in the gambling market it would be about 100x times bigger than it is right now! And we would dominate it too!

I hope they change this ridiculous rule soon.

Beacuse the US is so free

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alky

are you sure? live cam shows can be very costly, and addicting.

That lars dude is smart. I bet he knew this before making his site.

Thumbsup to a very smart buisness man.

I just wish when i hit his age i can just come close to what he is doing right now.

WarChild · 09-03-2005, 06:23 PM

The answer is because there's no reliable way to tax the income.

slapass · 09-03-2005, 06:34 PM

I miss gambling. I did some promotion a few years ago, and I still get checks.

Drake · 09-03-2005, 06:39 PM

Yeah I really wish it was legal. I don't even think we have a prayer of that becoming a reality anytime soon.

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 06:39 PM

I just got word that DH (DrinkingMOderately) is moving to another country and making his gambling site.

j/k

Jarmusch · 09-03-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alky

are you sure? live cam shows can be very costly, and addicting.

That's why I said "unless it's live cams"?

Dagwolf · 09-03-2005, 06:59 PM

Playing strip poker with a camgirl is still legal, right?

xlogger · 09-03-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

So that's why I keep getting spam from casinos I never played on, even get letters on the mail with installation cd's.

That is how these casinos pull you ex addicts back in. I bet you get like these things in (snail)mail that says you get certain amound of free time (or $) in a casino. All they want you to do is get you back playing just ONE time. After that you are fucked up again and will keep going back.

Ninja Scripts · 09-03-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

That lars dude is smart. I bet he knew this before making his site.

Thumbsup to a very smart buisness man.

I just wish when i hit his age i can just come close to what he is doing right now.

Start selling those p2p ads packages for $3000 and you'll get there quick. Of course, you would have to have the traffic to back up your mouth on the subject.

VeriSexy · 09-03-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts

Same goes for webcams.

See sig.

I doubt people spend thousands on webcams

cool1g · 09-03-2005, 07:43 PM

i beleive the WTO (world trade organization) has told the US that it needs to allow gambling customers from the US - the US is trying to figure out how to appeal.

Ninja Scripts · 09-03-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy

I doubt people spend thousands on webcams

You know, with all of the webcam companies popping up I thought people would start to figure this out. Do you see the competition? Do you see the insane payouts? Do you see the stories of people making $2000 or more a month from ONE customer they referred years ago?

Webcams span every niche, always have fresh content, and bill by the minute. People spend THOUSANDS a month regularly. I promote webcam / dating type sites exclusively as they outperform regular pay per join sites 100 times over.

fuzebox · 09-03-2005, 08:28 PM

Wow xlogger, you're on to something here... really revolutionary, I think you've got a brand new idea with lots of potential.

Doctor Dre · 09-03-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Like there's not enough land based casino gambling addicts with destroyed families, you want to bring that into every home? All casino softwares are rigged to give the house advantage, so it's a complete waste of money to gamble against a 'virtual dealer'.

The casino always wins too ...

Doctor Dre · 09-03-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

Just an stupid example here.

Owning a gambling is like being a drug dealer. Do you see a drug dealer that says "damn dude, i have fucking too much rock - i cant sell them all!".

Fuck no, almost all of his coustomer are addicted. His clients grow every day and they buy from him every week. Some want to quit but they cant.

(i said it was a stupid example, i cant compare it to anything elce)

Gambling is one expensive addiction to maintain ... that's a fact

Steen2 · 09-03-2005, 08:54 PM

The boats a bit late on Poker. Perhaps there's still some room for competition but not like 2 years ago.

Setup will run you $30k-$50k min. Promotion? Very expensive and high competition.

If PartyPoker is willing to pay over $150 for a customer acquisition what do you think a new, untested, unbranded site will have to pay? $300+ is my guess.

spunkmaster · 09-03-2005, 11:05 PM

Years ago I sat on the Int'l Gaming Council when it was legal in the US
to operate a casino on the internet and I can tell you it wasn't Vegas that got it banned.

It was the Senators from MO, MI, NJ and Nevada. They sponsored a law that made it illegal to use any interstate communications device to place bets that were a game of chance.

The case of USLotto.com (An Indian Casino in Idaho) went to the Supreme Court
and the Casino lost.

The bottom line is it's illegal for any US Citizen to use any phone, computer or device that moves over state lines to place bets even if the casino is not in the USA.

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites? Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites? What kind of a stupid rule is that? I bet if we were involved in the gambling market it would be about 100x times bigger than it is right now! And we would dominate it too! I hope they change this ridiculous rule soon. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	No one caressssssss You know how many people are addicted to gambling? Much more than porn! We are talking about serious $ here. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	If you hook in those addicted gamblers then fucking forget how much $ you can make. Forget about $35 per month for porn sites. These people spend k's and k's of $ per month. __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	If US makes it legal for us to make gambling websites then i would quit everything i am doing now and jump boat QUICK! You all be like wtf happend to xlogger? __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	Just an stupid example here. Owning a gambling is like being a drug dealer. Do you see a drug dealer that says "damn dude, i have fucking too much rock - i cant sell them all!". Fuck no, almost all of his coustomer are addicted. His clients grow every day and they buy from him every week. Some want to quit but they cant. (i said it was a stupid example, i cant compare it to anything elce) __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	What do you mean? Are you saying it is illegal to be an affiliate of a gambling site? Or that they aren't allowed in the US?

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Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	Like there's not enough land based casino gambling addicts with destroyed families, you want to bring that into every home? All casino softwares are rigged to give the house advantage, so it's a complete waste of money to gamble against a 'virtual dealer'.

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Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	Would you be able to sleep at night knowing the money you're making comes from other's family bankruptcies?

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Yeah I really wish it was legal. I don't even think we have a prayer of that becoming a reality anytime soon.

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Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	The boats a bit late on Poker. Perhaps there's still some room for competition but not like 2 years ago. Setup will run you $30k-$50k min. Promotion? Very expensive and high competition. If PartyPoker is willing to pay over $150 for a customer acquisition what do you think a new, untested, unbranded site will have to pay? $300+ is my guess. __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

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spunkmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,052	Years ago I sat on the Int'l Gaming Council when it was legal in the US to operate a casino on the internet and I can tell you it wasn't Vegas that got it banned. It was the Senators from MO, MI, NJ and Nevada. They sponsored a law that made it illegal to use any interstate communications device to place bets that were a game of chance. The case of USLotto.com (An Indian Casino in Idaho) went to the Supreme Court and the Casino lost. The bottom line is it's illegal for any US Citizen to use any phone, computer or device that moves over state lines to place bets even if the casino is not in the USA. __________________