Perfect plan to destroy GUBA

[RayBonga]

Looks like people on GFY really hate GUBA.

I had never seen anything like this almost every thread on the first page has the word guba on the title, I really hope they believe in the old saying:

"There's no such thing as bad publicity."

Anyway if you all hate guba so much all you need to do is post the Muhammed cartoons on all their usenet groups, if possible photochop some images of the prophet on to some dirty porn, jut think "goatse muhamed".

You can even watermark them with the guba logo.

Then just sit back and watch the hungry muslim mob set fire to guba servers.






Btw, I actually like the layout of this skin

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by RayBonga

Then just sit back and watch the hungry muslim mob set fire to guba servers.

That is SO evil.

[ProjectNaked]

interesting idea

[Martin3]

With all the surfers here, all these threads have probably given guba a shit load of sign ups

[tristan_D]

Originally Posted by Martin3

With all the surfers here, all these threads have probably given guba a shit load of sign ups

there goes there vindication

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by RayBonga

Looks like people on GFY really hate GUBA.

I had never seen anything like this almost every thread on the first page has the word guba on the title, I really hope they believe in the old saying:

"There's no such thing as bad publicity."

Anyway if you all hate guba so much all you need to do is post the Muhammed cartoons on all their usenet groups, if possible photochop some images of the prophet on to some dirty porn, jut think "goatse muhamed".

You can even watermark them with the guba logo.

Then just sit back and watch the hungry muslim mob set fire to guba servers.

Now there's a man with a plan!

[3M TA3]

Ray, remind me to never, ever piss you off.

Originally Posted by RayBonga

Looks like people on GFY really hate GUBA.

I had never seen anything like this almost every thread on the first page has the word guba on the title, I really hope they believe in the old saying:

"There's no such thing as bad publicity."

Anyway if you all hate guba so much all you need to do is post the Muhammed cartoons on all their usenet groups, if possible photochop some images of the prophet on to some dirty porn, jut think "goatse muhamed".

You can even watermark them with the guba logo.

Then just sit back and watch the hungry muslim mob set fire to guba servers.






Btw, I actually like the layout of this skin

[Tempest]

Not everyone hates Guba. A lot of the ones that promote them and like them just won't post. It's such hypocrisy. All the ones complaining about Guba. Fact is, some paysites used to offer newsgroup access from inside as well. Plenty of paysites couldn't care less if you use their content even if they won't give it to you freely or come right out and say you can use it. The only thing people are pissed about is that THEY'RE not making the money. It all comes down to the money and nothing more.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Not everyone hates Guba. A lot of the ones that promote them and like them just won't post. It's such hypocrisy. All the ones complaining about Guba. Fact is, some paysites used to offer newsgroup access from inside as well. Plenty of paysites couldn't care less if you use their content even if they won't give it to you freely or come right out and say you can use it. The only thing people are pissed about is that THEY'RE not making the money. It all comes down to the money and nothing more.

Here's to go buy a clue to replace your naive and uninformed babblings.

[Pornwolf]

Everything comes down to the money. But I promise you that if someone was using my content without at least trying to upsell my sites hard then I would find them and light a torch to their asses.

I dont do letters and I don't like lawyers.

[mikeyddddd]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Not everyone hates Guba. A lot of the ones that promote them and like them just won't post. It's such hypocrisy. All the ones complaining about Guba. Fact is, some paysites used to offer newsgroup access from inside as well. Plenty of paysites couldn't care less if you use their content even if they won't give it to you freely or come right out and say you can use it. The only thing people are pissed about is that THEY'RE not making the money. It all comes down to the money and nothing more.

Here's how it works.

You signup to promote a sponsor. You grab some content. You take the time to make some TGP galleries and freesites and submit them. You burn some bandwidth. You do this to profit from a partnership with that sponsor.

Some kid likes it, downloads it and then posts it all over the place.

GUBA goes out and sucks the shit in, posts it on their site and charges someone to see it.

The sponsors may profit if someone decides to signup by typing in the sponsors watermarked URL. The sponsors will not have to share that revenue with those who promoted the site legally.

Most programs will not allow an affiliate to post those same images in a member's area for which the affiliate charges a membership fee.

Perhaps all affiliates should adopt GUBA's business model and not become affiliates. They should just charge people to see stuff they steal from other people. Except that wouldn't work because where would they get their content without affiliates who are promoting the program?

Do you see a problem here?

[HairToStay]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Fact is, some paysites used to offer newsgroup access from inside as well.

They weren't earning money from offering stolen content. They were providing access without charging.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by HairToStay

They weren't earning money from offering stolen content. They were providing access without charging.

The tours of their sites would say things like "Bonus 100,000+ porn pictures and videos" and those pictures etc. would be coming from the newgroups. So if you believe that that text wouldn't generate any sales, then I'd agree with you. But that's simply not the case.

[woj]

shit, I step away for a few hours and guba skin is gone already? what happened?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

Some kid likes it, downloads it and then posts it all over the place.

You missed the part where the program owner actually goes out and posts some of their own content on the newgroups themselves. That has been a way to market your sites since forever and is no different than giving the content to the affiliates who make the TGPs etc except that the profit from the typins is 100% yours. Many small programs continue to use this technique since it's very effective.

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

GUBA goes out and sucks the shit in, posts it on their site and charges someone to see it.

But Guba isn't the only site to offer access to newgroups for a fee. You don't ever see anyone on here complaining about them.

I don't promote Guba and I don't support theft of content. But after having experienced sponsors not giving a shit if they're content is stolen as long as it's used to promote them and make them money, I find the hypocrisy sickening. It's all about the money and that's it.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by mikeyddddd

Here's how it works.

You signup to promote a sponsor. You grab some content. You take the time to make some TGP galleries and freesites and submit them. You burn some bandwidth. You do this to profit from a partnership with that sponsor.

Some kid likes it, downloads it and then posts it all over the place.

GUBA goes out and sucks the shit in, posts it on their site and charges someone to see it.

The sponsors may profit if someone decides to signup by typing in the sponsors watermarked URL. The sponsors will not have to share that revenue with those who promoted the site legally.

Most programs will not allow an affiliate to post those same images in a member's area for which the affiliate charges a membership fee.

Perhaps all affiliates should adopt GUBA's business model and not become affiliates. They should just charge people to see stuff they steal from other people. Except that wouldn't work because where would they get their content without affiliates who are promoting the program?

Do you see a problem here?

Precisely. Its the image of the snake eating its own tail.

I've long said this about Guba. Not only are they ripping us off as content producers, they're crippling the sources they steal from.

Yet, they are blind to this. They don't care...because the comparatively short-term money is flowing in to their pocket.

[Niko Bimini]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Not everyone hates Guba. A lot of the ones that promote them and like them just won't post. It's such hypocrisy. All the ones complaining about Guba. Fact is, some paysites used to offer newsgroup access from inside as well. Plenty of paysites couldn't care less if you use their content even if they won't give it to you freely or come right out and say you can use it. The only thing people are pissed about is that THEY'RE not making the money. It all comes down to the money and nothing more.

Im a paysite program owner and YOU sound like a moron.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You missed the part where the program owner actually goes out and posts some of their own content on the newgroups themselves. That has been a way to market your sites since forever and is no different than giving the content to the affiliates who make the TGPs etc except that the profit from the typins is 100% yours. Many small programs continue to use this technique since it's very effective.

But that's not the issue here. Sure, we've used usenet ourselves over the years for promotion. We've routinely written off a percentage of new photoshoots as 'advertising and promotion' (by 'written off' I mean to say that we consider the images devalued because we've made them freely available to everyone).

But what many of us are talking about here isn't our own promotion - its the flooding of newsgroups by people who steal massive quantities of our content, making it freely available - and thus providing the opportunity for Guba to suck it up and not only turn themselves a profit...but also potentially keep people from visiting OUR site to see the content.

Over the years I've seen many fellow BDSM and fetish colleagues have their entire sites posted on newsgroups such as ABPEB (alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage) - and heard them moan about the related losses.

One of the worst aspects concerning Guba is the fact that although most usenet servers have a comparatively short posting retention (usually a max. of a few days on busy newsgroups) - the pilfered content on Guba stays there long-term - thus providing continued exposure to surfers who might have otherwise missed it on Usenet.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Bimini

Im a paysite program owner and YOU sound like a moron.

Why's that? You give "approved" affiliates zips of content. Do you allow your affiliates to download your FHGs and host them themselves? How many have done that and do you term their accounts if they do? How many have signed up to your sites, ripped out the content and use them to make galleries? Do you audit your affiliates and term the ones that do that?

Maybe you do all of that and I applaud you if you do. But the vast majority of paysite programs don't and don't really care as long as they're the ones making the money. Some will even give you access etc. on the downlow and let you do whatever you want as long as it's not brought to their attention so that they have to deal with it.

[dissipate]

any publicity is good publicity

[baddog]

Originally Posted by 3M TA3

Ray, remind me to never, ever piss you off.

no doubt

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

But that's not the issue here. Sure, we've used usenet ourselves over the years for promotion. We've routinely written off a percentage of new photoshoots as 'advertising and promotion' (by 'written off' I mean to say that we consider the images devalued because we've made them freely available to everyone).

But what many of us are talking about here isn't our own promotion - its the flooding of newsgroups by people who steal massive quantities of our content, making it freely available - and thus providing the opportunity for Guba to suck it up and not only turn themselves a profit...but also potentially keep people from visiting OUR site to see the content.

Over the years I've seen many fellow BDSM and fetish colleagues have their entire sites posted on newsgroups such as ABPEB (alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage) - and heard them moan about the related losses.

One of the worst aspects concerning Guba is the fact that although most usenet servers have a comparatively short posting retention (usually a max. of a few days on busy newsgroups) - the pilfered content on Guba stays there long-term - thus providing continued exposure to surfers who might have otherwise missed it on Usenet.

I completely understand. However, Guba is right here which means you can "easily" go to them and have them remove the content. You can't do that with the newgroups and you can't do that with the other services because you probably don't even know about them. Although their business is "questionable", it's also an oppurtunity. i.e. Maybe having them only have your content that you say they can.

The bottom line is that there is always going to be content theft and unless you hire a huge staff, there's not much anyone can do about it. Maybe trying to find ways to make it work for you would be a better option.

[Tat2Jr]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You missed the part where the program owner actually goes out and posts some of their own content on the newgroups themselves. That has been a way to market your sites since forever and is no different than giving the content to the affiliates who make the TGPs etc except that the profit from the typins is 100% yours. Many small programs continue to use this technique since it's very effective.


But Guba isn't the only site to offer access to newgroups for a fee. You don't ever see anyone on here complaining about them.

How does Guba re-encoding my content into a different format (Ipod or PSP) fit into this?

[Triple 6]

okkkkkkkkkk

[Niko Bimini]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Why's that? You give "approved" affiliates zips of content. Do you allow your affiliates to download your FHGs and host them themselves? How many have done that and do you term their accounts if they do? How many have signed up to your sites, ripped out the content and use them to make galleries? Do you audit your affiliates and term the ones that do that?

Maybe you do all of that and I applaud you if you do. But the vast majority of paysite programs don't and don't really care as long as they're the ones making the money. Some will even give you access etc. on the downlow and let you do whatever you want as long as it's not brought to their attention so that they have to deal with it.

Well your arguements make you sound like LESS of a moron as you do have a grasp on the reality of our business. But you are still argueing in defense of theft of my content so you are fighting a loosing battle.

Yes there are plenty of companies out there that do what Guba does. And yes there are paysite owners that I suppose don't care. But I think the majority of the program owners out there are like BiminiBucks and find it very offensive.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Bimini

Well your arguements make you sound like LESS of a moron as you do have a grasp on the reality of our business. But you are still argueing in defense of theft of my content so you are fighting a loosing battle.

Yes there are plenty of companies out there that do what Guba does. And yes there are paysite owners that I suppose don't care. But I think the majority of the program owners out there are like BiminiBucks and find it very offensive.

I'm not arguing in "defense" of theft. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of so many of the complainers. The fact is, the same people complaining were complaining before Guba did any encoding etc. and all they did was offer access for a fee. The same people that would post pics to the newsgroups themselves. The same people that would let you rip all their content to promote them. The same people that right now give you full access to their sites or supply 100% of the content in order to promote them, flooding all the free TGPs, link lists and blogs with the same content that makes it's way into the newsgroups to be viewed by a much smaller number of people.

You didn't answer any of my questions though. I know you find out and out theft offensive, but what about the situations I outlined? How many licensing agreements of the content suppliers are you allowing to be broken if you give out content that maybe isn't exclusive to only you, or allowing affiliates to host your FHGs etc. etc. etc... Do you see here I'm coming from when I'm calling out the hypocrissy in this business? Many of the people complaining about the "theft" are also allowing others to steal, commit fraud etc. etc. etc. But in most cases they don't care, because it's benifiting their pocket books.

[jade12]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Here's to go buy a clue to replace your naive and uninformed babblings.

no shit!

[Niko Bimini]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I'm not arguing in "defense" of theft. I'm calling out the hypocrisy of so many of the complainers. The fact is, the same people complaining were complaining before Guba did any encoding etc. and all they did was offer access for a fee. The same people that would post pics to the newsgroups themselves. The same people that would let you rip all their content to promote them. The same people that right now give you full access to their sites or supply 100% of the content in order to promote them, flooding all the free TGPs, link lists and blogs with the same content that makes it's way into the newsgroups to be viewed by a much smaller number of people.

You didn't answer any of my questions though. I know you find out and out theft offensive, but what about the situations I outlined? How many licensing agreements of the content suppliers are you allowing to be broken if you give out content that maybe isn't exclusive to only you, or allowing affiliates to host your FHGs etc. etc. etc... Do you see here I'm coming from when I'm calling out the hypocrissy in this business? Many of the people complaining about the "theft" are also allowing others to steal, commit fraud etc. etc. etc. But in most cases they don't care, because it's benifiting their pocket books.

Well most of that doesn't apply to BiminiBucks because when we launched 3 years ago the 2257 issue was looming on the horizon. So we have never offered zip files to our affiliates and have never given permissionn to take any content from our sites and use it on your servers. We offer hosting to affiliates that want to build there own galleries and do there own thing.

Not saying there aren't affiliates out there that break the rules, but like we are both saying..........that is just part of the biz that is difficult to impossibe to control. Doesn't make it a pill you are willing swallow, just makes it a thorn in your side knowing its out there.

And though we must accept it, I will never condone it by knowlingly doing biz with someone who does it.

[Scootermuze]

It's kinda silly to pay for such a service when anyone can get newsgroup search software free and just use their isp account to get crazy...

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I completely understand. However, Guba is right here which means you can "easily" go to them and have them remove the content. You can't do that with the newgroups and you can't do that with the other services because you probably don't even know about them. Although their business is "questionable", it's also an oppurtunity. i.e. Maybe having them only have your content that you say they can.

The bottom line is that there is always going to be content theft and unless you hire a huge staff, there's not much anyone can do about it. Maybe trying to find ways to make it work for you would be a better option.

Again the question is asked - WHY is the onus on US (as content producers) to spent time and money on efforts to laboriously comb through all the content on Guba to ascertain how much and where our content resides?

You are correct in saying there will always be theft. That's a given. But as others have said here already, the issue is not only theft...but the fact that GFY and Playboy Enterprises are willing to flaunt and condone this theft of content in our faces.

As for "finding ways to make it work for us" - there is none. For years we've added our copyright notice, logo and URL on all our images. And yes, that serves as advertising for us. But it doesn't offset the fact that when someone has access to a mass quantity of our images via Guba's harvesting...where's the incentive for that same person to sign up to our sites as a member?

You're unmistakably arguing a losing battle here.