Scientific Proof Cheney's Shooting Story A Lie

[chshkt]

Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed

SYNOPSIS OF VIDEO NEWS REPORT DOCUMENTING SHOOTING TEST
by Alex Jones

Below is a ten minute "see-for-yourself" report that conclusively shows that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims to Kennedy County Sheriff's Deputies in south Texas is a total fabrication.

A massive cover-up has been conducted concerning the shooting. We know that most of the facts that have been told to the public are manufactured frauds.

Cheney claims that he shot Whittington at 90 feet, ballistic tests from the spread of the shotgun pellets to their penetration depth is 100% conclusive.

Harry Whittington was shot at close range, between 15 and 18 feet, not the 90 claimed by Dick Cheney and the Secret Service. It is now clear why they refused to let Sheriff's Deputies interview Cheney for over 13 hours and why they claimed that Whittington's injuries were superficial when in truth they were grievous.

The mainstream media is ignoring this literal smoking gun evidence. Anytime they wish, the local police can conduct their own ballistics tests and they will have the exact same findings. The media can conduct their own tests. The ballistics of shotguns and birdshot is well known to tens of millions of Americans who hunt fowl.

We have now scientifically proved with an engineer and a police officer on-site conducting the test that the American people are being lied to and a cover-up is in progress.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/...ific_proof.htm

[FunForOne]

I Love It

[Matt 26z]

Wow, that video they have on there is incredible.

I figured something was up since it seemed like Cheney & Co. needed to get their stories straight, but I actually wasn't questioning the events too much until after seeing that video.

I'll bet Cheney carelessly shot the guy from mishandling his gun.

[RevSand]

Very interesting video... I do not know a lot about guns but if thier facts are correct it does show that Cheney is even more full of shit then I had thought before..

[aico]

LOL, you needed scientific proof to know that he was lying?? Oy, this country needs a kick in the ass or something, people are just so.... unconcerned... i guess would be good word, and when they do finally get "concerned", it's gonna be too late and everyone will be like "Huh, what? When did this happen?"

[8 Characters]

Originally Posted by aico

when they do finally get "concerned", it's gonna be too late and everyone will be like "Huh, what? When did this happen?"

"Let's sue everybody!"

[aico]

"Let's sue everybody!"

No shit...

[bopha]

Great link.. wow!

[jimthefiend]

Shut up idiot. If the "victim" isn't concerned then why should you be?

[websiex]

Shut up idiot. If the "victim" isn't concerned then why should you be?

Because if you or I did the same thing we would be out on bail right now.

[FunForOne]

I find it funny that people believe that Cheney is so smart that could run an entire industry and make billions of dollars and stay an elected leader for longer than most of them have been alive, but he isn't smart enough to cover up a murder in the middle of nowhere on a ranch owned by friends with nothing but friends around.

[vdewd]

i'm pretty sure that hunting accidents happen, and nobody goes to jail. sure there is questions that have to be answered, but there's not always an arrest.

[ronbotx]

Gee , after that bullshit with the so-called bogus photo of the missile that hit the pentagon..... that was shown to be landing gear on the INNER wall of the Pengagon, and the predicted 20+ indictments in the Plame case, why would anyone... other than a fellow moron like yourself listen to you?

I would be willing to bet you have never fired a weapon, much less a shotgun. In fact if I recall, Bulgaria has mandatory military service which you have admitted to dodging so you have no training or expertise. Military service would be good for you, since you appear to be so immature and have lots of spare time on your hands....

The spread of the pellets is also controlled by the choke on the barrel, so unless you have the weapon with the same choke setting and ammo, your "evidence" is bullshit. I would also say that anyone hit at 15 feet with a shotgun , even with birdshot would in much more serious condition than Whittington appears to be. He left the hospital yesterday. Perhaps you missed the press conference where he told the real story.

But even a tragic hunting accident has to be conspiracy to wacko leftists...

[FunForOne]

I think this is the same guy that broke the news about the shooting inside the whitehouse where President Bush was arrested. Of course, he scooped the rest of the world by at least 3 years, because that hasn't been reported yet anywhere else.

[WarChild]

This guy's funny. So far his track record is like 0 and 30 or something. Way to bring home the hard hitting news guy.

[websiex]

Gee , after that bullshit with the so-called bogus photo of the missile that hit the pentagon..... that was shown to be landing gear on the INNER wall of the Pengagon, and the predicted 20+ indictments in the Plame case, why would anyone... other than a fellow moron like yourself listen to you?

I would be willing to bet you have never fired a weapon, much less a shotgun. In fact if I recall, Bulgaria has mandatory military service which you have admitted to dodging so you have no training or expertise. Military service would be good for you, since you appear to be so immature and have lots of spare time on your hands....

The spread of the pellets is also controlled by the choke on the barrel, so unless you have the weapon with the same choke setting and ammo, your "evidence" is bullshit. I would also say that anyone hit at 15 feet with a shotgun , even with birdshot would in much more serious condition than Whittington appears to be. He left the hospital yesterday. Perhaps you missed the press conference where he told the real story.

But even a tragic hunting accident has to be conspiracy to wacko leftists...

That guy is lucky to be alive, he should be dead right now.

Nothing will happen to Cheney because of corruption, but the facts are there.

1: Cheney didn't shoot from 90 feet - was proven from the video that the conspiracy nut posted. Like it or not, the video is valid.

2: Cheney told the police to fuck off after he shot someone in the heart with a shotgun and they listened; if any of us did that we would be in jail. That police department should be disbanded and investigated.

Now, you can go on and think what you want, I just don't like being lied to. You might accept whatever anyone in power says, but to me they are just people and their word is as good as the next guys.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

That guy is lucky to be alive, he should be dead right now.

Nothing will happen to Cheney because of corruption, but the facts are there.

1: Cheney didn't shoot from 90 feet - was proven from the video that the conspiracy nut posted. Like it or not, the video is valid.

2: Cheney told the police to fuck off after he shot someone in the heart with a shotgun and they listened; if any of us did that we would be in jail. That police department should be disbanded and investigated.

Now, you can go on and think what you want, I just don't like being lied to. You might accept whatever anyone in power says, but to me they are just people and their word is as good as the next guys.

Way to not understand much of anything.

[Quagmire]

Gotta love it. Don't question authority. There is no spin. Cigarettes don't cause cancer. Saddam had WMD. Fear what you don't know.

[websiex]

Way to not understand much of anything.

Prove me wrong.

1: From 90 feet, the video clearly shows that it wouldn't penetrate a bone. It is undeniable, yet you deny it for some odd reason.

2: He refused to talk to police after he shot someone in the heart with a shotgun. Why? You tell me.

You can't even back your shit up yet you tell me I dont understand... I just gave you 2 facts above, defeat them.

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally Posted by websiex

2: Cheney told the police to fuck off after he shot someone in the heart with a shotgun...

Since when is the heart in the face neck and shoulder area on the right side of your body?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

Prove me wrong.

1: From 90 feet, the video clearly shows that it wouldn't penetrate a bone. It is undeniable, yet you deny it for some odd reason.

2: He refused to talk to police after he shot someone in the heart with a shotgun. Why? You tell me.

You can't even back your shit up yet you tell me I dont understand... I just gave you 2 facts above, defeat them.

1) Unless you had the exact same gun, the test is not conclusive. I'm just going to assume that Cheney didn't give out the gun for Left Wing nuts to run "scientific tests" on.

2) If you accidentally shoot somebody, you won't necessarily go to jail either. That's why it's called an accident.

3) the Secret Service sent the police away, not the Vice President.

4) NOBODY GOT SHOT IN THE HEART Later, in the hospital, after the accident, a piece of the buckshot travelled to the heart.

5) The police don't need to be "disbanded".

So except for basically every "fact", you got it right. Good job.

[websiex]

1) Unless you had the exact same gun, the test is not conclusive. I'm just going to assume that Cheney didn't give out the gun for Left Wing nuts to run "scientific tests" on.

2) If you accidentally shoot somebody, you won't necessarily go to jail either. That's why it's called an accident.

3) the Secret Service sent the police away, not the Vice President.

4) The police don't need to be "disbanded".

1) Hey, a gun is a gun pretty much, I own a lot of guns and one gun doesn't differ that much from the other. Someone using a 28 gauge and another person using a 28 gauge basically have the same gun, they are the same gauge too, that is all that really matters.

2) Yeah, I probably wouldn't goto jail, but I would have to talk to police. Cheney told the police to get the fuck out of his face and they did. Why didn't he just man up and talk?

3) The Secret Service takes orders from Cheney, do you really think he had no say in it?

4) The police didn't do their job, what happens if you don't do your job? Well, you get fired.

You're up against a stacked deck and no arguement you bring up can deny the facts that:

A: The gun test is valid, 28 gauge bird shot out of any gun is basically the same.

B: He told the police to fuck off. Why, don't know.

[ronbotx]

More on Alex Jones....

The wack job who brings you "Prison Planet" and "Infowars". Has about he same track record as chshkt. The video is proof.... says who?

http://www.nndb.com/people/969/000048825/

[websiex]

More on Alex Jones....

The wack job who brings you "Prison Planet" and "Infowars". Has about he same track record as chshkt. The video is proof.... says who?

Who cares about him? He did a decent test on what happened, why attack him personally?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

1) Hey, a gun is a gun pretty much, I own a lot of guns and one gun doesn't differ that much from the other. Someone using a 28 gauge and another person using a 28 gauge basically have the same gun, they are the same gauge too, that is all that really matters.

So a long time gun owner doesn't know that barrel length, ammunition, gauage and choke all matter when determining weapon characteristics? You honestly think gauge is the only factor? Maybe you shouldn't own those guns after all, you seem a little ignorant.

2) Yeah, I probably wouldn't goto jail, but I would have to talk to police. Cheney told the police to get the fuck out of his face and they did. Why didn't he just man up and talk?

There's some validity to this. Although when every nut job is waiting to jump down your throat for everything, maybe you take your time so you don't get tripped up. In any case, he's the Vice President so by deffinition he's not just some guy.

3) The Secret Service takes orders from Cheney, do you really think he had no say in it?

See above.

4) The police didn't do their job, what happens if you don't do your job? Well, you get fired.

If the Secret Service tells you you're not going to talk to the Vice President, you're not.

You're up against a stacked deck and no arguement you bring up can deny the facts that:

A: The gun test is valid, 28 gauge bird shot out of any gun is basically the same.

Your gun test is not valid. How can you be sure you have the same barrel length, choke, and ammunition loads? That's right you can't. At best you have 1 out of 4 variables. 1 for 4 is hardly conclusive scientific proof.

Maybe you don't really understand what "fact" means?

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by WarChild

1) Unless you had the exact same gun, the test is not conclusive. I'm just going to assume that Cheney didn't give out the gun for Left Wing nuts to run "scientific tests" on.

2) If you accidentally shoot somebody, you won't necessarily go to jail either. That's why it's called an accident.

3) the Secret Service sent the police away, not the Vice President.

4) NOBODY GOT SHOT IN THE HEART Later, in the hospital, after the accident, a piece of the buckshot travelled to the heart.

5) The police don't need to be "disbanded".

So except for basically every "fact", you got it right. Good job.

You guys sure talk out of your ass a lot. A 28 guage shotgun isn't much of a gun in the first place. Bird shot, choke or no choke, at 90 feet would not get anywhere near your heart. You'd have to dig a few bb's out from under your skin but that's about it. I didn't read the details of the story (90 feet etc) or I would have called bullshit on it then. If someone were to aim at you center mass from 90 feet with ANY 28 guage and ANY choke you'd have bb's from head to toe and no large mass like they are saying this guy had. And again, they would not be in his fucking heart.

One more time for the slow, ANY 28 guage with ANY choke. You think every gun is just mysteriously different from the next? Bird shot is made to spread out in large patterns, how the fuck else could you hit a FLYING FUCKING BIRD. Talk shit all you want, but at least pick something that can't be proven wrong 5000000 times in a row without you ever being right once.

[Pandemos]

Is this the same kind of 'scientific' proof that showed a plane didn't really crash into the Pentagon on 9/11, or that Oswald wasn't a lone gunman?

[bringer]

thanks for proving to gfy cheney is a liar. want a cookie?

[websiex]

If the Secret Service tells you you're not going to talk to the Vice President, you're not.

That is the problem.

Also, you sound like you know something about guns but you don't. I have over 16 guns and I know that guns don't differ all that much. The guy in the video used the same gun as Cheney basically, length and gauge. You are just trying to dig up any excuse you can because you are so blindly supportive of Cheney.

If the Secret Service tells you you're not going to talk to the Vice President, you're not.

That quote right there though, whew, that is scary. Secret Service aren't immune to the law, nor is the Vice President. You are probably one of those people that get all giddy when Bush makes a speech and think he is the most important person in the world. Do you know what the truth is; he is just a citizen that was elected to the office of President, that DOES NOT make him above the law, and that DOES NOT allow the Secret Service to tell police to fuck off, sorry try again.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by Pandemos

Is this the same kind of 'scientific' proof that showed a plane didn't really crash into the Pentagon on 9/11, or that Oswald wasn't a lone gunman?

facts are only true when you agree with them. everything else is propaganda.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by chadglni

You guys sure talk out of your ass a lot. A 28 guage shotgun isn't much of a gun in the first place. Bird shot, choke or no choke, at 90 feet would not get anywhere near your heart. You'd have to dig a few bb's out from under your skin but that's about it. I didn't read the details of the story (90 feet etc) or I would have called bullshit on it then. If someone were to aim at you center mass from 90 feet with ANY 28 guage and ANY choke you'd have bb's from head to toe and no large mass like they are saying this guy had. And again, they would not be in his fucking heart.

One more time for the slow, ANY 28 guage with ANY choke. You think every gun is just mysteriously different from the next? Bird shot is made to spread out in large patterns, how the fuck else could you hit a FLYING FUCKING BIRD. Talk shit all you want, but at least pick something that can't be proven wrong 5000000 times in a row without you ever being right once.

You could have condensed all that crap to this:

[QUOTE]Bird shot, choke or no choke, at 90 feet would not get anywhere near your heart. [/B]

Luckily everyone agrees here. Nobody got shot in the heart.

I didn't read the details of the story

Wow you don't say? Maybe you should go on some more about being shot in the heart.

I never once said it must have happened exactly like Cheney said it did. It probably didn't happen at 90 feet, you're PROBABLY right about that. On the other hand, this video is still not scientific proof it happened at precisely 15-18 feet. The effect of bird shot can easily be effected by barrel, choke, ammunition, especially when you're talking about a 3 foot window. Get serious.

You make it sound like I'm claiming Cheney's version is "scientific proof" and "fact". Wake up idiots.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

That quote right there though, whew, that is scary. Secret Service aren't immune to the law, nor is the Vice President. You are probably one of those people that get all giddy when Bush makes a speech and think he is the most important person in the world. Do you know what the truth is; he is just a citizen that was elected to the office of President, that DOES NOT make him above the law, and that DOES NOT allow the Secret Service to tell police to fuck off, sorry try again.

Bush is an idiot and your video is not "scientific proof". There's some real facts for you.

[chadglni]

[QUOTE=WarChild]You could have condensed all that crap to this:

Bird shot, choke or no choke, at 90 feet would not get anywhere near your heart. [/B]

Luckily everyone agrees here. Nobody got shot in the heart.


Wow you don't say? Maybe you should go on some more about being shot in the heart.

I never once said it must have happened exactly like Cheney said it did. It probably didn't happen at 90 feet, you're PROBABLY right about that. On the other hand, this video is still not scientific proof it happened at precisely 15-18 feet. The effect of bird shot can easily be effected by barrel, choke, ammunition, especially when you're talking about a 3 foot window. Get serious.

You make it sound like I'm claiming Cheney's version is "scientific proof" and "fact". Wake up idiots.

a) I didn't read details about how far they were claiming because I really didn't give a shit.

b) It was reported that a bb(s) made it's way to his heart. 15 to 18 foot choke or no choke is just about right. A bird shot bb has 0.0 chance of getting to your heart at 90 feet, unless you're a frog.

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by websiex

Who cares about him? He did a decent test on what happened, why attack him personally?

Because he is the source os much of chshkt's dis-information, and his track record for accuracy is just as abysmal.

And of course you both both ignore the choke setting on the shotgun which does effect the pellet spread... as well as the ammo.

Shotguns 101 for the clueless..http://science.howstuffworks.com/shotgun8.htm

Note:
"Choke manufacturers express their expected effects by listing the amount that a choke constricts the barrel and the percentage of shot that will hit a target area at 40 (or, in some cases, 25) yards. In general, the more the barrel is constricted, the higher the percentage of shot hitting the target at 40 yards. But this is all relative to the size and type of shot. Because of this and all of the variables involved (weather, wind conditions, individual barrel, etc.), it's not easy to say precisely how a particular choke will affect the shot pattern, and most shooters have to learn by trial and error."

[websiex]

Wow you don't say? Maybe you should go on some more about being shot in the heart.

I never once said it must have happened exactly like Cheney said it did. It probably didn't happen at 90 feet, you're PROBABLY right about that. On the other hand, this video is still not scientific proof it happened at precisely 15-18 feet. The effect of bird shot can easily be effected by barrel, choke, ammunition, especially when you're talking about a 3 foot window. Get serious.

You make it sound like I'm claiming Cheney's version is "scientific proof" and "fact". Wake up idiots.

The video just proves that it didn't happen at 90 feet, solid enough for me. I don't know if it was 15-18 feet, but give or take 20 feet and Cheney is STILL lying out of his ass.

And hey, does it really matter if he got shot in the heart? I was getting at that a bullet went through his rib cage, which proves that it was close. And he got shot in the face too which is pretty gruesome.

Yeah, and also he told the police to beat it when they got there, can't do that, it is kind of against the law.

[chadglni]

28 amazing feet.

[Pleasurepays]

politics is politics. in ANY country in the world, if the vice president did something incredibly stupid like this, you would definately not get the whole story and the administration would do everything possible to play it down.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

The video just proves that it didn't happen at 90 feet, solid enough for me. I don't know if it was 15-18 feet, but give or take 20 feet and Cheney is STILL lying out of his ass.

And hey, does it really matter if he got shot in the heart? I was getting at that a bullet went through his rib cage, which proves that it was close. And he got shot in the face too which is pretty gruesome.

Yeah, and also he told the police to beat it when they got there, can't do that, it is kind of against the law.

So what do you think really happened? The Vice President, surrounded by friends and Secret Service agents murdered someone with a shotgun?

So is Cheney the master mind that manipulates the US Administration and runs the Country or a bumbling hillbilly who murders people with shotguns?

[websiex]

And of course you both both ignore the choke setting on the shotgun which does effect the pellet spread... as well as the ammo.

Shotguns 101 for the clueless..http://science.howstuffworks.com/shotgun8.htm

Well, choke isn't a big deal, I know that. Like I said, I am a gun owner, 6 of my guns are shotguns. I have shot bird shot rounds and I know how they work too, I know what I'm talking about. If anything, he probably had the choke to spread the shot out since he was quail hunting, thus, making the video even more valid. Doesn't really matter anyway, a birdshot is a bird shot, it is going to spread out; that is what they are meant for.

Please don't try to act like you know guns because you read a howstuffworks article, please.

[WarChild]

Good find Robotx.

[TheDoc]

Great video... It's about right; I grew up in Texas, hunted for years. I'm sure people here have been sprayed over with shotgun pellets and not much further distances than that.

If you doubt what he says, go to your local gun range and one shot at that distance will be all the proof you need. Other than buck, I do not know of any shot at 90ft that is really life treating with a shotgun, I am not a shut gun expert however.

[websiex]

So what do you think really happened? The Vice President, surrounded by friends and Secret Service agents murdered someone with a shotgun?

So is Cheney the master mind that manipulates the US Administration and runs the Country or a bumbling hillbilly who murders people with shotguns?

What was the point of even saying that? I am putting up valid information and you are resorting to putting words in my mouth, I guess that is how you debate though.

[websiex]

Good find Robotx.

Wow you really are dumb, he was BIRD hunting, the bullets AUTOMATICALLY spread. And you say you know a lot about guns, but you think he is going to be using a modified choke when BIRD HUNTING. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Great video... It's about right; I grew up in Texas, hunted for years. I'm sure people here have been sprayed over with shotgun pellets and not much further distances than that.

If you doubt what he says, go to your local gun range and one shot at that distance will be all the proof you need. Other than buck, I donhahaha8217;t know of any shot at 90ft that is really life treating with a shotgun, Ihahaha8217;m not a shut gun expert however.

What was life threatening was a piece of shot that apaprently moved to the heart. The gunshot its self does not seem to have been

Mr Whittington was hit in the cheek, neck and chest, but was said to be "alert and doing fine" in hospital.

Giving an update on Mr Whittington's condition on Monday, hospital administrator Peter Banko said: "It's not critical. It's not serious. It's just stable at this time."

Mr Whittington's daughter, Sally, told the Dallas Morning News her father was being observed in hospital because of some swelling from the welts in his neck.

"It looks like chicken pox, kind of," she said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4707354.stm

[ronbotx]

Originally Posted by websiex

Well, choke isn't a big deal, I know that. Like I said, I am a gun owner, 6 of my guns are shotguns. I have shot bird shot rounds and I know how they work too, I know what I'm talking about. If anything, he probably had the choke to spread the shot out since he was quail hunting, thus, making the video even more valid. Doesn't really matter anyway, a birdshot is a bird shot, it is going to spread out; that is what they are meant for.

Please don't try to act like you know guns because you read a howstuffworks article, please.

I am an ex US. Army officer who had training in everything from a .45 cal to a howitzer. As a college student, I worked part time in Boston Police crime and ballistics lab. The spread is effected by many factors..... Screw you retard.

[websiex]

I worked part time in Boston Police crime and ballistics lab. The spread is effected by many factors..... Screw you retard.

I don't buy that for a second; if you were really a ballistics expert you would know that a birdshot spreads automatically (hence birdshot), and you would know that he wouldn't be using a modified choke when hunting for birds with a birdshot shell.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by websiex

Wow you really are dumb, he was BIRD hunting, the bullets AUTOMATICALLY spread. And you say you know a lot about guns, but you think he is going to be using a modified choke when BIRD HUNTING. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Umm, somebody's taken the time to write an article about something that's apparently never, ever done:

Don't Choke On Pheasants!
Selecting the correct choke for the job at hand is almost as important as being a good shot!

http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/pheasant-hunting/

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by WarChild

What was life threatening was a piece of shot that apaprently moved to the heart. The gunshot its self does not seem to have been


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4707354.stm

I don't see how from 90ft it could have went through the shirt & skin, however at like 60-70 feet, it could, hell I guess at 90ft, with some wind, and a lucky lone bb, could go do that.

I'm sure he was drinking, he probably did rotate 180 degrees to shoot, and his buddy was probably only 30 feet away. I don't care that they cover it up and lie, just kicks me that they are able to cover it up, while if it happened with some dumb drunk hunter here it would end his life.

[jjjay]

who cares

stop with the retarded threads already and fuck off back to democratic underground where dopey liberals like you waste their pointless lives

[ronbotx]

I don't claim to be a ballistics expert. What I am saying is unless you can duplicate the precise condtions of this particular incident, the data is flawed.

But that is typical of most of the "irrefutable" evidence presented here.