Alley_Cat

For all of you who suffer from a severe disinformation of whats

Being going in Israel for the last 1.5 year, take your time to read
This article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002170720,00.html

Just to get the real point of view of the tragedy.

Take your time and read another article written by a famous
Italian journalist, Oriana Fallaci on this url:

http://rotter.net/forum/scoop/71624.shtml

Its about time people will start getting the real proofs and not
Just read cheap one sided propaganda or articles by people who
Just dont have a clue whats REALLY going on Israel.

The Chosen

yep you right.
Some people are still wants to believe in the terrorists side though..

funkmaster

... let´s nuke them both and put this shit to an end ...

btw: what means "????? ?? ??????? ?????'? ???? ????"

Trax

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thats how you solve problems.. nice

ldinternet

i'm not even going to read that article, so i don't know what its about.

but... never trust anything you read out of a tabloid newspaper.
the sun newspaper has the biggest bunch of asshole, fuckwad, biased, retarded, fucked up journalists ever. they are a laughing stock.

BabeHunter

Are you sure you aren't talking about CNN (europe) ?

jimmy3way

Can we ban Zionist bullshit propaganda threads?

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BabeHunter

Can we ban Osam Bin Laden's friends?

jimmy3way

I won't even bother to debate this with you, there's simply no convincing and little logic on both sides of this issue.

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Mark

Its a sad state when a newspaper with a reading age of 7 is the one that has the balls to spell it out..

Perhaps to make the world understand whats going on the facts have to be presented in a way that is comprehensible to 7 year olds..

Unfortunately I fear that europe seems to be governed by people with a reading age of 6 so they just wont ever get it.. it takes 6 million murders before they figure out whats going on.. but they never learn.. it took a million murders in rwanda before the world woke up to that.. perhaps having a load of germans blown up in tunisia will awaken someone in that place.. perhaps another 9/11 in europe is needed.. or perhaps just the destuction of israel will do the trick.. if thats the case then they will never get it coz for some strange reason the israelis are fighting back this time.. weird huh?

XXXManager

The facts people - the facts. I know you dont like them because they ruin your arguments
This is an arial photo of the city of Jenin AND the refugee camp.
For those of you who dont get it - the Before is above - and with a zoom on the heart of the refugee camp - the after is below.
The city and camp is intact besides 100*100 meters who is flattened. That is a FACT - facts are welcome - speculations and roumers - are not.

But wait - maybe IDF has pushed all the palestinians to that area and killed them all there... where are the bodies? Maybe the Israeli soldiers ate them? I heard Jews drink blood of palestinians - really - I saw it on the TV of Dubai and El-Ghazira. You interbreed fuckers.
I can imagine the UN will come with a new resolution asking Israel to stop drinking the blood of Palestinian people immediately otherwise they wil boycott israel.
UN and EU is a buch of stupid fuckers - who should be the first against the wall where the revolution comes - hehe (HGTTG - douglas Adams).
Question - did your news station (cnn/bbc/sky/fox/...) told you that? or did you see mainly the devestation area? DIDN'T you get the picture that it was ALL flattened? MAYBE you should stop watching those entertainment channels? hehe.
EVEN on this 100*100 meters Israeli IDF insisted on not just bombing the are - which I think they should have - they went in with troops - wich cost them 13 lives. shame. Hope they learn to exterinate if from the air next time.
Want real news - http://www.debka.com - about time you read descent news.

capribex

xxxmanager: i totaly agree with you. time for palestinians/arabs/muslims to wake up and understand that their tragedy is not israel. it is yasser arafat. if it wasn't for yasser arafat - they would already have their own state!

i don't think people know that the israeli parliament - INCLUDING PM Sharon - have voted in FAVOUR of a Palestinian state.

arafat should have accepted the papers authored between himself, then PM Barak and then President Clinton. instead, he chose to restart the intifada, in which hundreds of innocent women and children have died.

arafat is the tragedy of the palestinian people. but they will never know it, because the information they get is all from the Palestinian Broadcasting Corporation.

jimmy3way

Oh good, still more Zionist bullshit.

You do know this is an ADULT WEBMASTER board...not a Jew Pity web board, right? I mean do you? This entire post, and every one like it has nothing to do with porn, webmastering, the adult industry anything online or anything useful at all.

It's just a chance for the Jew lovers and Zionists to gripe about Arabs and for logical, well informed, clear thinking people to point out the holes in their specious arguments, then the first group calls the second group a bunch of Hitler Youth, and on and on.

Every single post is the same...for the last time WHO GIVES A RAT FUCK.

Try posting stuff like this at www.jewlover.com or www.killlittlepalestiniankids.org but NOT here.

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capribex

jimmy, why torture yourself? let me guess: you don't like jews a lot and you don't like israel a lot. since the subject line clearly say it is about israel and jews - do yourself a favour and don't waste your time and don't spoil your day by being subjected to all this jewish/zionist propaganda. the thread didn't change from the last time you visited. why is there this strange magnetic attraction between you and jew-threads?

just accept it as a fact... there are still some jews left around, that your nazi forefathers didn't manage to kill, and they have the right to bullshit on this board. protecting yourself is as easy as not reading those threads!

on the alternative, join the KKK and do something pragmatic about the jewish problem. or just go to france (which is moreorless the same)

jimmy3way

I like jews a lot, especially baked at 375...ha ha just kidding.

I could really care less about jews. Actually, I find mormons more objectionable. In fact in high school I used to bang this jewish girl, she was a freak......now Zionists and most Israelis I don't like one bit, most of all because MY government takes MY tax money and gives it to the Zionists to continue an occupation I find morally objectionable.

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jimmy3way

The KKK are southern baptists and I think they are worse than even mormons...besides I think the KKK dislike blacks and Catholics much more than jews.

I personally am quite fond of blacks and Catholics. If it weren't for blacks and Catholics we'd not have Guinness, soul food, rap music or girls' field hockey.

And believe you me there is nothing I like more than a frosty ass pint; some Warren G on the box; fried chicken, macaroni and cheese and greens; and hot private school girls in short skirts.

I mean really, what have jews given us? Bagels, yarmulkes and Woody Allen. Thanks but ah...no thanks.

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Mark

Actually this forum is for various topics including..

"Discuss what's fucking going on"

Well this thread is discussing whats going on.. and the discussion is between adult webmasters.. some of whom actually have more than 2 brain cells to rub together..

Most likely jimmy3way you would prefer to keep quiet while nazis and their ilk take over.. they are already doing quite well in france.. if its not the nazis it is islamic extremists like bin laden.. but don't worry about it jimmy3way, if we all keep quiet nobody will notice and the problem will just go away.. or rather certain people/races will be wiped off the face of the earth simply because nazis/extremists don't like them.. either way you will be happy coz the problem will go away.. as long as you or your children don't ever intend to get on a bus, train, ferry or plane, or go to school, or work in a prominent office building in the US.. or practice any kind of religion or culture or don't get too much of a sun tan on their next holiday in the south of france (or should that be south of 'the fatherland'?) or live in a free, democratic country/world.. you just stay in your ivory tower while the free world collapses around you..

What have nazis given us jimmy3way? A new world order? Freedom? Democracy? Peace? Human rights?? No! Oppression, genocide, war, ethnic cleansing.. yes!

Take your head out of your ass, clean the shit from your eyes and take long hard look at what is really going on in the world today..

Its all coming to a theatre near you real soon now.. if people like you insist on denial..

Mark

jimmy3way, something you should add to your sig..

Ask not what the nazis can do for you, ask what you can do for the nazis..

jimmy3way

See this is the problem with these debates, everybody hates Nazis.

For the record: The Nazis gave us the great engineering expertise that allowed us to drive fine German automobiles to this day (you know the Volkswagen logo used to have a swastika at the center and BMW built fighter plane engines?) AND send an American to the moon ( does the name Von Braun ring a bell?)

But that's entirely beside the point: you guys accuse me of having my eyes closed and shit like that...here's a shocker. I have a degree in political science, my dissertation was on terrorism and the politics of the disenfranchised. I've been to Israel, and Northern Ireland during the troubles.

Guess what, I know more about the sitation than you do and you're wrong.

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capribex

So, the bottom line is, you hate Israelis and Zionists, and you revert to reading these threads, because "they" take your tax money and because "they" occupy land against your better judgement.

1. The money the US gives Israel every year (roughly $4 Billion), is largely (more than 85%!!!) CREDIT for Israel to BUY goods IN America, from American companies. This way America gets to KEEP most of the money it "gives" Israel each year. In fact, the money the US "gives" Israel every year SUPPORTS the American economy! The US government does NOT send Israel ships loaded with dollar bills. They give Israel the budget to buy IN the US. According to the American Treasury Department, more than 85% of this money is consumed in the US.

2. As for the rest, the money that the US does physically send to Israel, well, the American governments have this tendency which upsets you, to support democratic islands in oceans of crazy single-fanatic-ruler regions. If the US didn't contribute to Israel in the last 50 years, the entire middle east would be ruled today by the likes of Nasser and Ayatula Humeini - and American soldiers will have to fight and get killed over this land. For that EXACT reason, and although they are NOT democracies - the US is supporting Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jorden with billions and billions of dollars per year - all from YOUR tax money. Do you also hate them???

3. Israel's occupation of the west bank and Gaza is for a single reason: the Arabs used this land as a platform to time-after-time attack mandatory Israel. Israel will not give it back until there will be peace. Israel gave back every inch of occupid Egyptian land and Jordenian lands - because they had leaders who agreed to give Israel peace in return. The Palestinian tragedy is that their LEADR (your friend Arafat) doesn't want to give peace in return for this land! Barak and Clinton oferred him the territories. In return he restarted the Intifada. The fact that Israel occupies the west bank is against the better judgement of most Israelis. But NO sane Israeli will give back this land to Arafat, until he makes a choice to stop being a terrorist.

You, as an American, should understand that. How many buildings must fall on your head until you realize the simple truth that terrorism is NOT a political agenda? It is something no free people can live with. Every nation in the world would set to protect its own women and children.

Well, maybe except for you personally.

jimmy3way

The most ironic thing about the current situation is that the Israelis are acting much more like Nazis than anyone else.

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jimmy3way

Capribex, more than half of your arguments are complete propaganda.

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jimmy3way

For instance...your argument about us giving Israel CREDIT??

"Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. "

A little nugget from the Washington Report, a compendium of congressional actions during any particular session.

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capribex

1. Israel is behaving like the Nazis... Nice post. Are you sure you did a degree in Political Sciences??? At what University? Beirut????

The Nazis killed 6 million Jewish man, women and children. These 6 million man, women and children didn't do ANYTHING to "deserve" that. They didn't attack the countries where they lived. They were not less loyal to the governments. They were not involved in anything illegal or imoral - and they were all systematically killed just because of the fact they were Jewish. THIS is Nazism, Mr. University Degree.

Israel's actions in the West Bank are aimed at terrorists, who send their young to explode in Israeli restarurants, and discos and busses. These fuckers send people to intentionally kill hundreds of Israeli women and children - and when Israel defends itself by striking back - during which actions some innocent civilians get hurt - you think this is the same as Nazi Germany.

Nice books you had there in the University of Beirut... According to your own sense, the Americans are Nazis, because in your offense in Afghanistan more than 400 innocent civilians got killed. Well, I got news for you. The Americans defended themselves, during which operation innocent civilians got killed. Americans are NOT Nazis.

2. Israeli "propaganda"... So, what you are saying is, that the American Treasury Department is advertising false numbers? Do you claim that the American Government is a tool of Israeli propaganda? Maybe you are right... Maybe Israel buys hundreds of F-16s, F-15s, Apache Helicopters etc. from another USA. Yes. Maybe there are two.

jimmy3way

I wasn't talking about the destination of the funds, everybody knows the US is the largest arms supplier in the world. That was part of the half of what you said that was true.

We all know the Isrealis use American tanks, fighter planes, Apaches. In fact everybody in the world knows this, which is why, last September, they aimed those planes at New York instead of Tel Aviv.

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capribex

I am really sorry, Jimmy. But you are saying EXACTLY what I said in different words... These loan guarantees are money loans for Israel to buy goods IN America! Not to buy goods in Yeman! Israel has used this money to buy goods IN America! America gave itself 16 billion dollars! It gave it to the likes of mcDonald Douglas, Boeing etc. Just like it just did to it's airline and steel industries. I repeat, MOST of the money the US gives Israel is credit/loan to buy goods IN the US, from US companies.

Jimmy, I am really not trying to upset you. You are just wrong! And you still didn't answer my question: where are your posts against the billions sent each year to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Joden etc.? Is this NOT your tax money? Is your problem ONLY against Jews getting money - or is it spread evenly between all non-US governments? If the latter, it means you are an isolationist. In Sep 11 it was proven that if you ignore the world, it doesn't mean the world is ignoring you. This money that the US is spending on financing sane regimes around the world is actually GOOD for American interests.

jimmy3way

Dude are you retarded? The fact is we give Israel billions of dollars a year in FREE MILLITARY EQUIPMENT TO OCCUPY THE WEST BANK.

Who gives a fuck where the money goes! Because the money is used to line the pockets of domestic arms suppliers it's okay?

That's so not the fucking point it's absurd.

I should have stuck to my other posts....you just cannot talk to some people.

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capribex

Did you hear about somebody called Usama Bin Laden? Well, HE said, in his own words, that he attacked America because of the presence of its forces in Saudi-Arabia. The reason why hundreds of Americans have been captured in Iran, more than 200 Marines were slaughtered in Beirut, dozens on dozens more were killed in Saudi Arabia, Yeman and elesewhere in the world, the reason why those planes crashed in the US and not over Tel Aviv - is because the US represents EVERYTHING the extrime muslims hate: freedom, democracy and civil rights. These people hate anything and everything about America - but the reason why they hate you the most, is because you have your soldiers posted on their "holly" land - Saudi Arabia. They NEVER think that the very reason why they don't live currently under Sadam Hussein IS because American soldiers are there!

Dualcpu

A UN investigation will determine what happened in the Jenin refugee camp.

I did see the pictures, from different sources I might add - and it shows a little more than just weeding out the terrorist threads.

You act like you know exactly what is going on in the region, however like you we all get our information from the sources available to us. Unless you are working for any intelligence agencies you will keep looking at those public information sources - and no one call tell whether you are being fed the correct information.

capribex

Oh no.... Please don't leave Jimmy.

Let me repeat, the reason Israel is occupying the territories, is because they were used time and again as a staging point for attacks on Israel. Israel concured land wherever and whenever this land was used to stage attacks against Israel. Israel oferred these lands back to sane Arab leaders, who accepted the right of Israel to exist. This was the case with Jorden and Egypt. Before PM Barak was elected, he said he will give back the territories. More than 60% of the Israeli voted for him. Most Israelis want to give back the land - IN EXCHANGE FOR PEACE.

I repeat, the tragedy of the Palestinian people is the fact that their leader doesn not accept Israel's right to survive. Arafat chose terror on negotiations. America supports Israel so that Arafat will not be able to murder his way to "freedom". Freedom and land is what he will get around the table - not in Israeli busses, restaurants and discos.

So if in the University of Beirut you have been taught that Israel occupies the territories because Israel is the satan, and if they taught you that Arafat is a saint, then we really can not argue. You must know better sitting there in your aur-conditioned room pushing buttons.

And if it's really important to you to leave this thread - just do it. I kind of think you enjoy it. It gives a platform for your hate.

capribex

Well, I get my sources also from the ground. I have family in Israel and I have Palestinian friends who live in Nablus and in Gaza.

Leaving the details aside for a sec, I think what I hear is the same from both camps: there could have been peace already nearly 2 years ago, when Barak was PM. It was the strategic decision of Arafat to restart the Intifada that brought this hope to an end. Arafat is the tragedy of the Palestinian people. Sharon would never be elected if it wasn't for the Intifada.

As for Jenin - the place you are talking about is 100 X 100 meters. This is not the city of Jenin, and not even the Refuge Camp itself. It's the area inside the Refuge Camp where the people didn't surender. 23 Israeli soldiers died in these 100 X 100 meters. They didn't die from nothing. There was a fierce fight there, with the Palestinian leaving explosives inside the houses to destroy them ontop of Israeli soldiers (13 Israeli soldiers died when palestinians detonated their own houses on the Israeli soldiers). Israel could have done what America did in Afghanistan, and bomb these 100 X 100 meters with F-16 and flatten the land to reduce it's own casualties. The reason why Israel chose to fight house-t-house shows an attempt to try and avoid hurting civilians when possible.

These 100 X 100 meters, was the home of more than 50% of the suicide bombers who killed hundreds of Israeli women and children, a crime which the UN opted not to investigate (hey, it's just Jewish blood...)

a1ka1ine

- yes, theres lots of things wrong with the world - and one of them is the sun!!! you could have chosen a less sleazy paper to prove your point!

capribex

Com'on.... They are not all bad... They gave us Samantha Fox at 16, didn't they?

Dualcpu

I meant the entire area of Jenin.

Reality is that people will fight with the weapons at hand.

Both sides are accusing eachother of terrorism, are they both correct? Remember that the definition of "terrorism" has changed alot since 11 september 2001.

There are too many opposite interests in the middle-east to have peace.

capribex

Well, I agree and I don't agree at the same time... First, regarding Jenin, the fighting was not in the city. It was in the refugee camp, and it wasn't in all the refugee camp, just part of it. And I agree that people will fight with what they have at hand. I really don't think that Israel should fight back by sending suicide bombers, just like I don't think America should retaliate against Afghanistan by crashing jets into buildings in Kabul. Everyone will use what they have at hand. I agree with you about the opposite interests in the middle-east and I agree that this is partly the reason why there is no peace. Having said that, there is an interest which is above any other interest, and this is the motivation of both people to live and prosper on their own land. I think if it was up to the Israeli people and the Palestinian people, there would have been peace. The problem is when you mix into that the motivations, aspirations and agendas of the respective leaders, along with those of the neighboring countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc.
As for the definition of terrorism, I think it shouldn't have changed (if it did). A terrorist is someone who intentionally set himself to kill innocent civilians (to terrorize them) in order to forward his own political agenda (which may be a legitimate one). A freedom fighter does not kill innocent civilians. He kills the occupier, or the army or the people who actively violate his rights.
The Israeli army is not a terrorist. The mission and the action is not: go and kill as many civilians as you can" but rather "go, and try to kill as many terrorists as possible". If the mission was different, there would be no one palestinian alive today. The mission of the suicide bombers is specifically to kill innocent women and children, the more the better. And they don't kill the settelers in the west bank and Gaza - they kill innocent Israelis in Tel Aviv, and Haifa and Netanya: mandatory Israel.
I don't want to believe the definition of terrorism has changed in Sep 11.
The IRA, UVF, UFF etc. are all terrorists when they hurt innocent civilians. The British Army in NI is not a terrorist organization.

XXXManager

When did you last rooted a terrorist threads? Maybe you can tell Israel how to do it
The only example you can give israel is what US is doing in the Tora-Bora area. That is bombing the shit out of the area from air with the biggest bombs ever concieved (conventional)
And as to the bombs - jimmy3way - the armor and concrete penetrating bombs used in the Afghan areas are invented by Jews ;)
jimmy3way - most of your arguments are suitable for a 13-15 y/o kid who only wants the bad things to go away and for the strong bad guy (Israel) to stop hitting the poor kid.
jimmy3way - You seem to know exaxtly what swastika sign was on the WolksWagon car, what BMW engine was used by the Nazin, what KKK is, what temperture to bake jews, you categorize people as "Jew lovers" and automatically associate them with www.jewlover.com or www.killlittlepalestiniankids.org as it Jews kill little palestinian kids - you dont even have the "you know what' to do the distinction between Jews and Israelis, you say you have a degree in political science, and a dissertation on terrorism and the politics of the disenfranchised and your arguments lack any political and historical depth - you dont even realize that Israel was given to Jews by the asshamed-world after it defrenchised the Jews from their homes around the world.
Jimmy3way - You seem to know so much about Nazis and their inventions but you dont know what jews brought the world? That a person who finished a degree in university? really? and you even have the audacity to state that we fly to the moon thanks to BMW engines ? where by the way you categorize all germans as Nazis ? right. Yes ? sure you have a degree in politics. (and I am the great-great-grandunkle of Indira Gandi )
Do you know how do you calcuate the velocity you need to leave the planet earth and in what direction? Well - ill help you - its called physics. Do you know how they call the science of the starts the universe and all the bright things you see at sky and never understood how they are called? dont bother - I'll let you know - Its called astrophysics.
Do you know who Albet Einstein is?
Do you know who Arthur Rubinstein and Itzhak Perelman are?
Do you know who Zygmunt Froid is?
Do you know what students around the world learn when they study law? (called Talmud - a jewish thing - I know)
jimmy3way - I hope that if you DID study anything about terrorism you will not use it an part of your freedom-fighting on members of this board. j/k hehe.

As for the fact that facts are no longer factual in discussions because they are either Jewish/Zionist/Israeli propaganda OR palestinian/UN/jimmy3way truths ? I suggest we avoid facts from now on and stick to personal assaults and character spamming

jimmy3way - you go - set the tone - you are good at that
Keep going man. You are on the way to secong degree in human science and a UN honorary degree.

Brad Mitchell

Alley_Cat: Thanks for posting the link to the article, I thought it was a sensible view.

Jimmy3way: You make me sick. You're a pathetic racist.



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