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Baker Rd 02-02-2006 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
MySpace does not know if their users "illegally" hotlinked or if they got the hotlink from a site offering up free materials for MySpace profiles.

The owner of the file chose to allow the hotlinking to take place for some period of time, and then caused XXX advertising popups to appear on MySpace instead of implementing .htaccess.
This isn't about Myspace protecting their profiles, this is about his webhost catering to the demands of some website that has no authority whatsoever.

Linguist 02-02-2006 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
MySpace does not know if their users "illegally" hotlinked or if they got the hotlink from a site offering up free materials for MySpace profiles.

The owner of the file chose to allow the hotlinking to take place for some period of time, and then caused XXX advertising popups to appear on MySpace instead of implementing .htaccess.
In that case, it would be wise for myspace to allow only whitelisted content providers for flash content.

If it's my file, and on my server, they have no right to tell me what to do with it. There were no illegal activities nor ill intents from his side. He can do anything he wants to the file. If myspace doesn't the fact that people use his content on their profile pages, they can blacklist his server.

He has no contracts nor agreements with myspace to leave his files intact. Same with media providers - it's their right to start popping consoles. If myspace doesn't like such practice, they should blacklist flash files altogether.

Doctor Dre 02-02-2006 10:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Considering what he did, I'm going to disagree with this.

There are MANY companies who provide various types of content for free to go on MySpace profiles, and they simply cannot be allowed to switch that content out with something else for advertising purposes.

If you want to advertise on MySpace, talk to their advertising department.

Just imagine if one of the music video providers started popping ads. Stuff like that just doesn't fly. Put yourself in MySpace's position. Especially with the media taking a closer look at the content of their profiles. They can't have XXX popups on the profiles. This is just common sense.

I'd like to know what planet some of you are living on.
I don't know what planet YOU are living it. The users hotlinking the stuff are responsible... so they should get their account canned and myspace could block the url. That's it that's all. He can host whatever he wants on his site, if people steal it and put it there, it's not his fault...

Princess Ellisa 02-02-2006 10:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Considering what he did, I'm going to disagree with this.

There are MANY companies who provide various types of content for free to go on MySpace profiles, and they simply cannot be allowed to switch that content out with something else for advertising purposes.

If you want to advertise on MySpace, talk to their advertising department.

Just imagine if one of the music video providers started popping ads. Stuff like that just doesn't fly. Put yourself in MySpace's position. Especially with the media taking a closer look at the content of their profiles. They can't have XXX popups on the profiles. This is just common sense.

I'd like to know what planet some of you are living on.
If I understood him in his initial post, he said that the myspacers have been burning his bandwidth unwittingly by linking to something that he had made for other purposes and was merely trying to mitigate the bandwidth cost by popping an ad. If My Space was mad they should have lectured their users... and if their users didn't mind then I do believe that he did nothing wrong certainly it didn't not warrant his hosts actions.

sandman! 02-02-2006 10:59 PM
i would sue any webhost that modified my content without my approval.

unless you broke the toss of the hosting company and even then they have no right to touch your content the best they can do is disable your account.

chadglni 02-02-2006 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
MySpace does not know if their users "illegally" hotlinked or if they got the hotlink from a site offering up free materials for MySpace profiles.

The owner of the file chose to allow the hotlinking to take place for some period of time, and then caused XXX advertising popups to appear on MySpace instead of implementing .htaccess.
You retarded fucking piece of shit, it's up to him to use .htaccess redirects now? People like you should unplug the fucking internet before you hurt yourselves.

Matt 26z 02-02-2006 11:00 PM
I see what some of you guys are saying, and I actually agree with the basis of your opinions.

If I have a file on MY server for MY website and some MySpace users hotlink it and then I change that file to behave differently for use on MY website, then what happens at MySpace is irrelavent since the file was never meant to be there in the first place.

HOWEVER... and this is the part you guys are overlooking... this guy implemented the popup not for use on his website, but instead as a scheme to get free advertising on MySpace. That's where he was in the wrong.

aico 02-02-2006 11:00 PM
That's fucked up. Switch hosts ASAP and put the same file in the same directory and really fuck with myspace, put a fucking friendster ad in there or some shit, just to fuck with them.

If my host did shit like that, they'd get a foot up da ass.

Doctor Dre 02-02-2006 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
MySpace does not know if their users "illegally" hotlinked or if they got the hotlink from a site offering up free materials for MySpace profiles.

The owner of the file chose to allow the hotlinking to take place for some period of time, and then caused XXX advertising popups to appear on MySpace instead of implementing .htaccess.
That's their problem. Legally you don't have the right to hotlink anything from any server without a written authorization... so he's right... and you are wrong.

He didn't "choose" to allow them to hotlink stuff... his site wasn't one of thoses sites where you can freely hotlink anything...

Baker Rd 02-02-2006 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
I see what some of you guys are saying, and I actually agree with the basis of your opinions.

If I have a file on MY server for MY website and some MySpace users hotlink it and then I change that file to behave differently for use on MY website, then what happens at MySpace is irrelavent since the file was never meant to be there in the first place.

HOWEVER... and this is the part you guys are overlooking... this guy implemented the popup not for use on his website, but instead as a scheme to get free advertising on MySpace. That's where he was in the wrong.
Why think of it as a scheme to get free advertising? Why not think of it as a way to re-coup his losses for all the bandwidth that MYSPACE STOLE FROM HIM?

Doctor Dre 02-02-2006 11:02 PM
50 great business decisions taken ;) fuck the haters

aico 02-02-2006 11:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
HOWEVER... and this is the part you guys are overlooking... this guy implemented the popup not for use on his website, but instead as a scheme to get free advertising on MySpace. That's where he was in the wrong.
You're an idiot... get out of this business soon before it's too late.

Doctor Dre 02-02-2006 11:08 PM
err I wanted to post this in dugmor's thread... my bad

3M TA3 02-02-2006 11:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
That's their problem. Legally you don't have the right to hotlink anything from any server without a written authorization... so he's right... and you are wrong.

He didn't "choose" to allow them to hotlink stuff... his site wasn't one of thoses sites where you can freely hotlink anything...

I like the way you think...

budz 02-02-2006 11:12 PM
wow taken from webgems AUP
Quote:
We do not monitor, supervise, review, edit and/or otherwise take responsibility for any of clients' actions.
boy is that a load of bs

Ycaza 02-02-2006 11:20 PM
yeah hit us up we will hook it up

TheSenator 02-02-2006 11:21 PM
I have added http://www.webgemshosting.com/ to my blacklist and checked out their IP blocks.

That is why I like being close(literally) to my webhost so that I can take action when action is needed.

Matt 26z 02-02-2006 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker Rd
Why think of it as a scheme to get free advertising? Why not think of it as a way to re-coup his losses for all the bandwidth that MYSPACE STOLE FROM HIM?
Vigilante justice is a lame argument. Besides, you just can't overlook the fact that the popup was meant specifically for MySpace and not his own site.

He should sue them if he thinks he has a legit bandwidth theft case here, but I don't think he does since no attempt was ever made to block MySpace. It was the opposite. He knowingly allowed the hotlinking to continue, to increase and then slipped in the popup to get free advertising on MySpace.

This guy should be thanking his webhost for pulling the file right away. It saved him from potentially being sued by MySpace. Seriously.

baddog 02-02-2006 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by budz
The webhost is Webgemshosting.

who?

that is bullshit

TheSenator 02-02-2006 11:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSenator
I have added http://www.webgemshosting.com/ to my blacklist and checked out their IP blocks.

That is why I like being close(literally) to my webhost so that I can take action when action is needed.

Retracted until further investigation

sandman! 02-02-2006 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Considering what he did, I'm going to disagree with this.

There are MANY companies who provide various types of content for free to go on MySpace profiles, and they simply cannot be allowed to switch that content out with something else for advertising purposes.

If you want to advertise on MySpace, talk to their advertising department.

Just imagine if one of the music video providers started popping ads. Stuff like that just doesn't fly. Put yourself in MySpace's position. Especially with the media taking a closer look at the content of their profiles. They can't have XXX popups on the profiles. This is just common sense.

I'd like to know what planet some of you are living on.

in case no one has told you your a fucking idiot nothing else needs to be said.

chadglni 02-02-2006 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman!
in case no one has told you your a fucking idiot nothing else needs to be said.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

sandman! 02-02-2006 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Vigilante justice is a lame argument. Besides, you just can't overlook the fact that the popup was meant specifically for MySpace and not his own site.

He should sue them if he thinks he has a legit bandwidth theft case here, but I don't think he does since no attempt was ever made to block MySpace. It was the opposite. He knowingly allowed the hotlinking to continue, to increase and then slipped in the popup to get free advertising on MySpace.

This guy should be thanking his webhost for pulling the file right away. It saved him from potentially being sued by MySpace. Seriously.
idiot
idiot
idiot
idiot
idiot
idiot
idiot
idiot

budz 02-02-2006 11:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Vigilante justice is a lame argument. Besides, you just can't overlook the fact that the popup was meant specifically for MySpace and not his own site.

He should sue them if he thinks he has a legit bandwidth theft case here, but I don't think he does since no attempt was ever made to block MySpace. It was the opposite. He knowingly allowed the hotlinking to continue, to increase and then slipped in the popup to get free advertising on MySpace.

This guy should be thanking his webhost for pulling the file right away. It saved him from potentially being sued by MySpace. Seriously.

lol, sue me because THEIR users hotlinked a file that I have the right to control? .. c'mon

if it be a popup or anything else is besides the point. My site, my content, my bandwidth, my say.

:: runs through the forums posting "the nazis are coming the nazis are coming" ::

sixxxthsense 02-02-2006 11:31 PM
wtf i'd sue! SUE WHEN YOU CAN :)

I hate myspace

Matt 26z 02-02-2006 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman!
in case no one has told you your a fucking idiot nothing else needs to be said.
Oh, that really hurts. Calling me names instead of intelligent discussion attempting to counter my points.

KrisKross 02-02-2006 11:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
This guy should be thanking his webhost for pulling the file right away. It saved him from potentially being sued by MySpace. Seriously.
You really have no clue. Seriously.

GTS Mark 02-02-2006 11:34 PM
I would drop them immediately, they should have at least contacted you first before making changes to your server.

DH

aico 02-02-2006 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Oh, that really hurts. Calling me names instead of intelligent discussion attempting to counter my points.
It's hard to have an intelligent discussion with someone who doesn't have a fucking clue... which is why no one is trying to discuss anything with you...

Linguist 02-02-2006 11:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Oh, that really hurts. Calling me names instead of intelligent discussion attempting to counter my points.
I think Doctor Dre's reply pretty much sums everything up. There's nothing to discuss really.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
That's their problem. Legally you don't have the right to hotlink anything from any server without a written authorization... so he's right... and you are wrong.

He didn't "choose" to allow them to hotlink stuff... his site wasn't one of thoses sites where you can freely hotlink anything...

whoisnext 02-02-2006 11:41 PM
And who is your hosting company? First move from there ASAP but let us know who they are so we better watch them out next time we are looking for a host.:warning

Quote:
Originally Posted by budz
The story is like this


All kinds of Myspace users have hotlinked a certain flash file on my domain.

Well instead of letting them eat the bandwidth up I decided to pop a URL from the swf.

Myspace e-mailed my host and had them remove the file. ( because it had adult stuff in the popup )

I seen my file was changed and replaced it with a popup that didn't have adult images on it.

Myspace e-mailed my host again and now I'm locked out of my flash directory.

and I'm kind of pissed that myspace can control the internet like this...

Shouldnt they only be allowed to control their user base..

Not to mention I'm not at all that pleased with my webhost.. Thinking about cancelling.

am I wrong ? Lol

Matt 26z 02-02-2006 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by budz
lol, sue me because THEIR users hotlinked a file that I have the right to control? .. c'mon

if it be a popup or anything else is besides the point. My site, my content, my bandwidth, my say.
You know what, in principal you are 110% correct. If they are going to allow their users to hotlink materials, then they need to accept that shit may happen here and there. That's my own personal feeling, but the business side of me expresses the opinions I've already written.

Admit it... You changed that file for the one and only purpose of targeting ads to MySpace users. You could have used .htaccess, but instead you decided to get a little free advertising on MySpace.

MySpace has recently come under media scrutiny for the content of their profiles not being in the best interest of underage users.... So what do you do? You pop an XXX popup and think that MySpace isn't going to care.

Hello?

sandman! 02-02-2006 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Oh, that really hurts. Calling me names instead of intelligent discussion attempting to counter my points.
not only are you an idiot anyone that does not realize your an idiot is just as dumb as you.

lets try to finnd anyone here that does not thing you an idiot.

will be hard to find idiot!

chadglni 02-02-2006 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandman!
not only are you an idiot anyone that does not realize your an idiot is just as dumb as you.

lets try to finnd anyone here that does not thing you an idiot.

will be hard to find idiot!
Stop it! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

aico 02-02-2006 11:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
You know what, in principal you are 110% correct. If they are going to allow their users to hotlink materials, then they need to accept that shit may happen here and there. That's my own personal feeling, but the business side of me expresses the opinions I've already written.

Admit it... You changed that file for the one and only purpose of targeting ads to MySpace users. You could have used .htaccess, but instead you decided to get a little free advertising on MySpace.

MySpace has recently come under media scrutiny for the content of their profiles not being in the best interest of underage users.... So what do you do? You pop an XXX popup and think that MySpace isn't going to care.

Hello?
I think you're confusing yourself with someone who knows what they are talking about.

MontrealPimp 02-02-2006 11:46 PM
drama potential ?

Tempest 02-02-2006 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
You know what, in principal you are 110% correct. If they are going to allow their users to hotlink materials, then they need to accept that shit may happen here and there. That's my own personal feeling, but the business side of me expresses the opinions I've already written.

Admit it... You changed that file for the one and only purpose of targeting ads to MySpace users. You could have used .htaccess, but instead you decided to get a little free advertising on MySpace.

MySpace has recently come under media scrutiny for the content of their profiles not being in the best interest of underage users.... So what do you do? You pop an XXX popup and think that MySpace isn't going to care.

Hello?
You truly are an idiot. MySpace had no right to go to the guys host. They could easily have blocked that url thru their software.. Instead they pulled some heavy handed tactic. They WAY overstepped their bounds.

budz 02-02-2006 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
MySpace has recently come under media scrutiny for the content of their profiles not being in the best interest of underage users.... So what do you do? You pop an XXX popup and think that MySpace isn't going to care.

Hello?
after their(myspaces) first e-mail (stating it was a pop-up of porn to underage kids) .. I changed it to a non adult sites i.e www.freeez.net & http://youre.nu/ and they e-mailed my host and had my .swf removed again.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Admit it... You changed that file for the one and only purpose of targeting ads to MySpace users. You could have used .htaccess, but instead you decided to get a little free advertising on MySpace.
I changed the file because it used up 100gb of my 120gb of hosting and the month has just begun.. I could care less who was seeing it..

sandman! 02-02-2006 11:49 PM
budz if this story is true i will offer you freehosting for this specific domain and never change your content :)

hit me up if interested no strings attached :)

Lord Nelson 02-02-2006 11:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z
I see what some of you guys are saying, and I actually agree with the basis of your opinions.

If I have a file on MY server for MY website and some MySpace users hotlink it and then I change that file to behave differently for use on MY website, then what happens at MySpace is irrelavent since the file was never meant to be there in the first place.

HOWEVER... and this is the part you guys are overlooking... this guy implemented the popup not for use on his website, but instead as a scheme to get free advertising on MySpace. That's where he was in the wrong.
you are a fuckign idiot. you should log off right now and never go online again.


to the original poster: sue your webhost.


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