Catching Valuable Dropped Domains...

[goBigtime]

According to whois-Search.com...

Here is a list of registrars and which "Drop" services they are in kahoots with:



VeriSign.com ( networksolutions ) - Snapnames
domaindiscount24 - rrpproxy.net - R51-LROR - Snapnames
BulkRegister.com - Snapnames
4domains.com - Snapnames
1dni.com - Snapnames
namebay.com - Snapnames
pairNIC.com - Snapnames
Nominate.net ( BB Online UK Limited ) - Snapnames
TotalNIC.net - Snapnames
NameSecure.com - Snapnames
DomainName.com - Snapnames
Catalog.com - Snapnames
domainmonkeys.com - Snapnames
planetdomain.com - Snapnames
dotster.com - Namewinner
namesdirect.com - Namewinner
newdentity.com - Namewinner
namezero.com - Namewinner
namefull.com - Namewinner
fm-net.ne.jp - Namewinner
stargateinc.com - Namewinner
shop4domain.com - Namewinner
personalnames.com - Namewinner
edge.jp - livedoor.com - NameWinner
rgnames.com - NameWinner
idregister.com - NameWinner
webnic.cc - Namewinner
Communigal.net - Sitename.com - Galcomm.com - Namewinner
fabulous.com - Dropwizard
addresscreation.com - Buydomains
enameco.com / e-names.org - Buydomains
omnis.com - Buydomains
registrationtek.com - Buydomains
1accredited.com - Buydomains
123registration.com - Buydomains
domainzoo.com - Buydomains
domaindiscover.com - Buydomains
dynadot.com - Buydomains
secura-gmbh.de - Buydomains
melbourneit.com - Ultimate Search
namebargain.com - Ultimate Search/Buydomains
directnic.com - NOLDC.com / keywordtraffic.info
safenames.net - TheFirstname
iaregistry.com - Dropking
bookmyname.com - NameFox
ascio.com - NameFox
itsyourdomain.com - NameFox
bestregistrar.com - NameFox
libris.com - Euro box
dotforce.com - drop club
paycenter.com.cn - drop club
alldomains.com - drop club
srsplus.com - drop club
eastcom.com - drop club
yesnic.com - drop club
doregi.com - drop club
bizcn.com - drop club
godaddy.com - Godaddy
wildwestdomains.com - Godaddy
bluerazor.com - Godaddy
enom.com - Enom club drop
centralregistrar.com (domainmonger) - Enom club drop
namejuice.com - Enom club drop
Namescout.com - Pool
NameSystem.com - Pool
signaturedomains.com - Pool
moniker.com - Pool
psi.jp - Pool
domainthenet.com - Pool
encirca.biz - Pool
Rebel.com - Pool
NamesBeyond.com - Pool
srspartner.com - Pool
directi.com - Pool
ausregistry.net - Pool
registersite.com - Pool
domainregistry.com - Pool
nameking.com - Pool
signdomains.com - Pool
000domains.com - Pool
Domainstobeseen.com - Pool
ar.com - Pool
Domainca.com - Pool
DomainSite.com - Pool
Parava.net - Pool
esoftwiz.com - Pool
domainbank.net - Pool
TotalRegistrations.com - Pool
awregistry.net - Pool
vividdomains.com - Pool
biditwinit.com - Pool
usawebhost.com - Pool
fiducia.lv - Pool
neonic.com - Pool
dotearth.com - Pool
dodora.net - Pool
esite.com - Pool
nameview.com - Pool
domainpro.com - Pool
domainpeople.com - Pool
name.com - Pool
mynamenow.com - Pool
transecute.com - Pool
vedacore.com - Pool
nameintel.com - Pool ?
1stdomain.net - Name Administration Inc
domainit.com - Name Administration Inc
007names.com - Name Administration Inc
annulet.com - Name Administration Inc ?
psi-usa.info - domaincatcher.com
R68-LROR - domaincatcher.com
dotregistrar.com - dotregistrar domwish





Looks like pool has a ton of registry connections

[KRL]

Its getting hard and harder. Whats funny a lot of people are caught up in the hype now and buying stuff thinking they're going to make a killing.

[goBigtime]

That's:

42 Pool
14 NameWinner
14 Snapnames
11 Buydomains
8 Drop Club
4 NameFox
4 Name Administration
3 Enom Club Drop
2 DomainCatcher
2 Ultimate Search
1 DropWizard
1 DomWish
1 TheFirstName
1 EuroBox

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by KRL
Its getting hard and harder. Whats funny a lot of people are caught up in the hype now and buying stuff thinking they're going to make a killing.

Count me in!



Nah... actually I'm pissed at Pool right now. So I have been investigating what would be required to start snapping domains myself..... but looks like Pool has a near-monopoly on things.


A domain I wanted is going to auction off for probably close to $10,000 -- when the NameWinner bid was $110.


After reading more about them on another forum regarding auctions and proxy bids, I think they might be crooked (as fuck).

[Luc]

Originally posted by goBigtime




Count me in!



Nah... actually I'm pissed at Pool right now. So I have been investigating what would be required to start snapping domains myself..... but looks like Pool has a near-monopoly on things.


A domain I wanted is going to auction off for probably close to $10,000 -- when the NameWinner bid was $110.


After reading more about them on another forum regarding auctions and proxy bids, I think they might be crooked (as fuck).

You can say that shit again. I've been buying domains from
auctions (NameWinner), drop clubs and SnapNames for years.

Then Pool comes along and a $400 domain goes for $10,000.

A $20,000 goes for $60,000. Even fucking crap names that
aren't worth registration are going for thousands.

I gave up on pool a while ago. They're big time cocksmokers and
will milk you out of every penny you have. Then they'll place
bullshit names in your account and say you bought em. You're
basically bidding up against Pool, and they know how to jerk
people around.

Somehow I still think WLS will be much worse, if it can get any
worse.

Luc

[sacX]

I've went like 30 and 0 with pool and gave up.. wasn't getting anything for the price I wanted.

Snapnames got me a name yesterday that had at least $800 bid at NW

[sacX]

hrm what's "Drop Club" never used them.

[Theo]

Originally posted by Luc


You can say that shit again. I've been buying domains from
auctions (NameWinner), drop clubs and SnapNames for years.

Then Pool comes along and a $400 domain goes for $10,000.

A $20,000 goes for $60,000. Even fucking crap names that
aren't worth registration are going for thousands.

I gave up on pool a while ago. They're big time cocksmokers and
will milk you out of every penny you have. Then they'll place
bullshit names in your account and say you bought em. You're
basically bidding up against Pool, and they know how to jerk
people around.

Somehow I still think WLS will be much worse, if it can get any
worse.

Luc

are you Luc from dnforum?

[Luc]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel



are you Luc from dnforum?

yeah, i am.

drop clubs were popular back in the day. 007domains had one,
000domains had one, and a bunch of other registrars had em.

basically same thing as snapnames except you tell em how
much you want to pay for the name that is due to drop today,
(ex: $5k) and they use their connections to get it for you.

minimum bids were like $250-$500 but if a good name was
to drop, bidding on a few good private drop clubs would
pretty much guarantee the name.

they used to be great, until pool convinced all of them to drop
their shit and only work for pool.

shit happens.

enom has a drop club now but its total garbage.

[Theo]

You're one of the few that make sense over there.


I found out about enom's club yesterday. Good to hear it's garbage. In general I dont like any of these drop clubs because they have turned the whole process to a monopoly. Individuals lost the control and now everything ends up to an auction.

[goBigtime]

Hey Luc.... Hit me on ICQ when you get a chance 158629363.

[Luc]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
You're one of the few that make sense over there.


I found out about enom's club yesterday. Good to hear it's garbage. In general I dont like any of these drop clubs because they have turned the whole process to a monopoly. Individuals lost the control and now everything ends up to an auction.

Thanks.

Right, every service except for Snaps is auction based now.

I'm sure snaps would have converted too, but they're the
front guys for WLS so they'll have to wait it out. After WLS
starts, Snapnames will be making nice cash, and of course
Verisign will be brining home all the money from every single
drop.

Like KRL said, this shit is getting harder and harder by the day.

Luc L.

[sacX]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
You're one of the few that make sense over there.


I found out about enom's club yesterday. Good to hear it's garbage. In general I dont like any of these drop clubs because they have turned the whole process to a monopoly. Individuals lost the control and now everything ends up to an auction.

it's hardly a monopoly, the list above shows there are 5-6 decent sized players. Clearly Pool.com are a major player, but no where near a monopoly.

WLS is a monopoly, plain and simple.

Enom's club drop isn't garbage. They're not going to get top tier names, but they get what you'd expect from having 3 dedicated RRP connects, and I think they are improving. They did have a couple days of not running at all lately, that sucked.

[Luc]

Originally posted by sacX


it's hardly a monopoly, the list above shows there are 5-6 decent sized players. Clearly Pool.com are a major player, but no where near a monopoly.

WLS is a monopoly, plain and simple.

Enom's club drop isn't garbage. They're not going to get top tier names, but they get what you'd expect from having 3 dedicated RRP connects, and I think they are improving. They did have a couple days of not running at all lately, that sucked.

Yep, WLS will be a 100% monopoly.

But Pool still gets a good 60-75% of all PRIME drops. I'm not
talking about the bullshit names that enom and namefox catch.

I'm talking about names like the recent dictonary.com drop that
went for some $13k on Pool (which was actually an OK price).

Names like lyirics.com that it caught today.

I haven't used Pool in about 2 months, and I'm just listing some
random names that I saw they caught on the forums, but here
is my point.

If it's GOOD, then pool WILL catch it. 90% of the time.

To me, that's as good as a monopoly.

[sacX]

yeah but there's a lot more to the expiring domain market than the top 5 names that drop each day.

As it stands at the moment yes Pool has a huge market share, but if you want you can start a registry and get an RRP connect, and perhaps even start a few. If you put in the work and had some resources you could compete against pool. Well some of the well financed players already certainly could.

With WLS, Verisign gets a monopoly, and everyone knows how everything VRSN touches turns to crap

I'm not opposed to WLS, because I can't really be bothered trying to compete with Pool, they're so far ahead, and I think I'll probably do better under WLS.

I just think there are good arguments on both sides.

[Luc]

Originally posted by sacX
yeah but there's a lot more to the expiring domain market than the top 5 names that drop each day.

As it stands at the moment yes Pool has a huge market share, but if you want you can start a registry and get an RRP connect, and perhaps even start a few. If you put in the work and had some resources you could compete against pool. Well some of the well financed players already certainly could.

With WLS, Verisign gets a monopoly, and everyone knows how everything VRSN touches turns to crap

I'm not opposed to WLS, because I can't really be bothered trying to compete with Pool, they're so far ahead, and I think I'll probably do better under WLS.

I just think there are good arguments on both sides.

It's against ICANN law to become a registrar in order to chase
drops.

Now, becoming a registrar aint that expensive, you're looking
at maybe $10k/month + $100k in hardware start up costs. The
only thing that you need to have as proof is a nice bank account
with some $500k.

If you don't have that, good luck becoming a registrar.

Now let's multiply that a few times and see how easy it is.

If it was possible, big guns like Buy Domains who have 250k+
prime domains would have done this YEARS ago. Why would
they want to pay registrars $5k/name when they can get
it for $6 if they were a registrar?

Same goes for ultimate search.

These guys have tens of millions allocated for domain investments.
Why wouldnt they spend some of that money on becoming a
registrar (even when it was safe) and "secure" their success.


One thing I'll agree on though, WLS will certainly fuck things up!

[riosluts]

the only domain name out of there i would buy is AR.COM
How can I buy that. Networksolutions and godaddy dont even recognize it.

[Theo]

yeah,oligopoly is the correct :-)

[sacX]

Originally posted by Luc



Now, becoming a registrar aint that expensive, you're looking
at maybe $10k/month + $100k in hardware start up costs. The
only thing that you need to have as proof is a nice bank account
with some $500k.

I don't know if it's against ICANN law or not, but the application requires fairly minimal detail on why you're becoming a registar.
They have also stated, they are only there to make sure registrars meet the minimal standard they're not there to stop people becoming registrars.

I've been filling out the application. you only need 70k in your bank account, with insurance up to 500k. Those hardware costs are a bit exorbitant, I could do it MUCH cheaper.

Icann accreditation application instructions

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by KRL
Its getting hard and harder. Whats funny a lot of people are caught up in the hype now and buying stuff thinking they're going to make a killing.

Yea but sometimes it really happen and you make a lot of money from that hard work

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by sacX


I don't know if it's against ICANN law or not, but the application requires fairly minimal detail on why you're becoming a registar.
They have also stated, they are only there to make sure registrars meet the minimal standard they're not there to stop people becoming registrars.

I've been filling out the application. you only need 70k in your bank account, with insurance up to 500k. Those hardware costs are a bit exorbitant, I could do it MUCH cheaper.

Icann accreditation application instructions

I don't really see how a new registar could make up bank . All the good domain registration domains are registered already .
(that's a lot of registration and domains in the same line)

You would have to have a huge ass hosting compagny to cover the fees

[Luc]

Originally posted by sacX


I don't know if it's against ICANN law or not, but the application requires fairly minimal detail on why you're becoming a registar.
They have also stated, they are only there to make sure registrars meet the minimal standard they're not there to stop people becoming registrars.

I've been filling out the application. you only need 70k in your bank account, with insurance up to 500k. Those hardware costs are a bit exorbitant, I could do it MUCH cheaper.

Icann accreditation application instructions

Ok. But if it's so easy then why aren't the big dogs doing it?

For them $70k is peanuts. They'd save millions each month
on drops alone.

Luc L.

[sacX]

Originally posted by Luc


Ok. But if it's so easy then why aren't the big dogs doing it?

For them $70k is peanuts. They'd save millions each month
on drops alone.

Luc L.

well afaik pool is doing it, perhaps a lot of people are hesitant because WLS could be just around the corner (although i doubt it is)

[Luc]

Originally posted by sacX


well afaik pool is doing it, perhaps a lot of people are hesitant because WLS could be just around the corner (although i doubt it is)

Pool is buying RRP access at an average of $20k/month/registrar. They also pay the registrars a % of the winning bid. I don't
know anything about them completely buying out registrars
and using them only to catch drops. Though they have been
known to force some of the registrars to shut down site
operations during drop times to their other customers.

WLS wasn't even in the news 2 years ago or so when BD
broke 150k domains or when UltSearch broke 50k, yet they
didn't become registrars.

[sacX]

Originally posted by Luc


Pool is buying RRP access at an average of $20k/month/registrar. They also pay the registrars a % of the winning bid. I don't
know anything about them completely buying out registrars
and using them only to catch drops. Though they have been
known to force some of the registrars to shut down site
operations during drop times to their other customers.

WLS wasn't even in the news 2 years ago or so when BD
broke 150k domains or when UltSearch broke 50k, yet they
didn't become registrars.

yeah well they had direct access, ultsearch through melbourneIT, and buydomains had access to different direct connects. It wasn't so crowded then, and there were still existing registrars who could be recruited to give them RRP access.

How do you know pool is paying 20k a month? I find that hard to believe.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by sacX


How do you know pool is paying 20k a month? I find that hard to believe.

With the amounts of money being made out there on these domain auctions, I don't doubt it.


But if it's true, then it's like saying "Jump through all the hoops, become a registrar and we'll guarantee you $10k profit per month minimum"

Sounds good to me.

[sacX]

Originally posted by goBigtime


With the amounts of money being made out there on these domain auctions, I don't doubt it.


But if it's true, then it's like saying "Jump through all the hoops, become a registrar and we'll guarantee you $10k profit per month minimum"

Sounds good to me.

well i know this is simplistic... but your list shows pool have 42 registrars.. how many domains go for 20k each day? Because by that maths pool are paying ~30k a day to registrars without even giving them a percent?

[Steen2]

Originally posted by sacX


I don't know if it's against ICANN law or not, but the application requires fairly minimal detail on why you're becoming a registar.
They have also stated, they are only there to make sure registrars meet the minimal standard they're not there to stop people becoming registrars.

I've been filling out the application. you only need 70k in your bank account, with insurance up to 500k. Those hardware costs are a bit exorbitant, I could do it MUCH cheaper.

Icann accreditation application instructions

Are you aware how backlogged ICANN is?

It would take over a year for them to review your application (AFAIK).

Like Luc said, there is a reason that the bigger players don't start their own registrars.

However I believe NameScout are somehow related.

[Luc]

I know they are paying aprx $20k to each registrar because
I had a closed deal with a registrar to create a Pool like
service 6+ months ago and my price was $10k/month +
domain registration costs. I was not going to offer a split
revenue deal though.

I was pretty close with this registrar for solid weeks and the
deal was for 12 months.

Just as I was about to pay they called me up, told me what
the current deal with Pool is and that I'd have to at least
match it to play the game.

Since I knew nothing about programming RRP and since the
guy who founded pool was an ex-snapnames employee (making
him the guru), I figured there is no point in spending countless
thousands experimenting. Besides, the registrars were money
hungry and they wanted split revenue on domain sales as well.

Obviously, some will get paid less, others more. That's the one
I worked with. That's how I know.

Luc l.

[sacX]

Originally posted by Steen2



Are you aware how backlogged ICANN is?

It would take over a year for them to review your application (AFAIK).

Like Luc said, there is a reason that the bigger players don't start their own registrars.

However I believe NameScout are somehow related.

maybe they're backlogged because all the big players are starting registrars

[sacX]

Originally posted by Luc
I know they are paying aprx $20k to each registrar because
I had a closed deal with a registrar to create a Pool like
service 6+ months ago and my price was $10k/month +
domain registration costs. I was not going to offer a split
revenue deal though.

I was pretty close with this registrar for solid weeks and the
deal was for 12 months.

Just as I was about to pay they called me up, told me what
the current deal with Pool is and that I'd have to at least
match it to play the game.

Since I knew nothing about programming RRP and since the
guy who founded pool was an ex-snapnames employee (making
him the guru), I figured there is no point in spending countless
thousands experimenting. Besides, the registrars were money
hungry and they wanted split revenue on domain sales as well.

Obviously, some will get paid less, others more. That's the one
I worked with. That's how I know.

Luc l.

aah interesting.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by sacX


maybe they're backlogged because all the big players are starting registrars

[KraZ]

I get domains from Namewinner all the time ... though I confess I focus on niche domains

[Repetitive Monkey]

http://www.adultgods.com/domainspy.php

[erehwon]

Does anyone have an updated list they would be willing to share?

Originally Posted by goBigtime

According to whois-Search.com...

Here is a list of registrars and which "Drop" services they are in kahoots with:



VeriSign.com ( networksolutions ) - Snapnames
domaindiscount24 - rrpproxy.net - R51-LROR - Snapnames
BulkRegister.com - Snapnames
4domains.com - Snapnames
1dni.com - Snapnames
namebay.com - Snapnames
pairNIC.com - Snapnames
Nominate.net ( BB Online UK Limited ) - Snapnames
TotalNIC.net - Snapnames
NameSecure.com - Snapnames
DomainName.com - Snapnames
Catalog.com - Snapnames
domainmonkeys.com - Snapnames
planetdomain.com - Snapnames
dotster.com - Namewinner
namesdirect.com - Namewinner
newdentity.com - Namewinner
namezero.com - Namewinner
namefull.com - Namewinner
fm-net.ne.jp - Namewinner
stargateinc.com - Namewinner
shop4domain.com - Namewinner
personalnames.com - Namewinner
edge.jp - livedoor.com - NameWinner
rgnames.com - NameWinner
idregister.com - NameWinner
webnic.cc - Namewinner
Communigal.net - Sitename.com - Galcomm.com - Namewinner
fabulous.com - Dropwizard
addresscreation.com - Buydomains
enameco.com / e-names.org - Buydomains
omnis.com - Buydomains
registrationtek.com - Buydomains
1accredited.com - Buydomains
123registration.com - Buydomains
domainzoo.com - Buydomains
domaindiscover.com - Buydomains
dynadot.com - Buydomains
secura-gmbh.de - Buydomains
melbourneit.com - Ultimate Search
namebargain.com - Ultimate Search/Buydomains
directnic.com - NOLDC.com / keywordtraffic.info
safenames.net - TheFirstname
iaregistry.com - Dropking
bookmyname.com - NameFox
ascio.com - NameFox
itsyourdomain.com - NameFox
bestregistrar.com - NameFox
libris.com - Euro box
dotforce.com - drop club
paycenter.com.cn - drop club
alldomains.com - drop club
srsplus.com - drop club
eastcom.com - drop club
yesnic.com - drop club
doregi.com - drop club
bizcn.com - drop club
godaddy.com - Godaddy
wildwestdomains.com - Godaddy
bluerazor.com - Godaddy
enom.com - Enom club drop
centralregistrar.com (domainmonger) - Enom club drop
namejuice.com - Enom club drop
Namescout.com - Pool
NameSystem.com - Pool
signaturedomains.com - Pool
moniker.com - Pool
psi.jp - Pool
domainthenet.com - Pool
encirca.biz - Pool
Rebel.com - Pool
NamesBeyond.com - Pool
srspartner.com - Pool
directi.com - Pool
ausregistry.net - Pool
registersite.com - Pool
domainregistry.com - Pool
nameking.com - Pool
signdomains.com - Pool
000domains.com - Pool
Domainstobeseen.com - Pool
ar.com - Pool
Domainca.com - Pool
DomainSite.com - Pool
Parava.net - Pool
esoftwiz.com - Pool
domainbank.net - Pool
TotalRegistrations.com - Pool
awregistry.net - Pool
vividdomains.com - Pool
biditwinit.com - Pool
usawebhost.com - Pool
fiducia.lv - Pool
neonic.com - Pool
dotearth.com - Pool
dodora.net - Pool
esite.com - Pool
nameview.com - Pool
domainpro.com - Pool
domainpeople.com - Pool
name.com - Pool
mynamenow.com - Pool
transecute.com - Pool
vedacore.com - Pool
nameintel.com - Pool ?
1stdomain.net - Name Administration Inc
domainit.com - Name Administration Inc
007names.com - Name Administration Inc
annulet.com - Name Administration Inc ?
psi-usa.info - domaincatcher.com
R68-LROR - domaincatcher.com
dotregistrar.com - dotregistrar domwish


Looks like pool has a ton of registry connections

[woj]

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