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Old 01-23-2006, 02:20 PM   #51
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:23 PM   #52
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My problem with the Natives is moreso their complete refusal to "become canadian" just like the french. Quebec isn't a country. Qwialikduk reserve is not a country. They are parts of CANADA.
Natives are seperatists.
Quebec are seperatists.

And the right wing is going to stick it hard to them to understand that. The liberals just putter around in court. The NDP will just give them whatever they want.
That's not my main reason for wanting a right wing government however.

Injustices have been done all over the world for thousands of years. Should I go sue Italy because the Romans raped one of my Gaul ancestors? Get fucked if you think that should happen. And yes that is a realistic comparison, it makes JUST as much sense as the modern Native youth AND elders wanting land and money for ALL of our ancestors mistakes.

And Sarah: I have my own opinions. I know what school is there for. I don't think I claimed I took a year of school and therefore know all. My logic is flawed in someones eyes, as is mine in theirs.

Sleazy: Come slap me. You couldn't argue a point if your 400lbs depended on it which is why you just resorted to some lame ass threat.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:27 PM   #53
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Liberal propoganda. Scare you into voting for them. Liberals are going to continue to fuck this country.

Vote Conservative.

NDP = throwaway socialist vote (they want to make everything free. especially for crack heads and lazy pieces of welfare shit)
BQ = Seperatists
Liberals = Liars, cheaters and Broker party bullshit (ie feed both sides what they want to hear, and yet NEVER solve ANY problems)
how did the liberals fuck the country? if conservatives get in we'll be back in the red.

canada has a strong economy relative to other countries, balances books while enjoying one of the better standards of living in the world without paying insane taxes like some euro countries (not as many social perks, but a solid balance imo).

no party addresses the real issues of productivity growth, increasing the amount of high paying jobs (incentives for companies to have their corporate or product line headquarters in canada), developing sound trade agreements with other countries to be less dependant on the US, nurturing more start ups in high growth industries, being proactive on crime, making governments more efficient, etc.

until a party decides to go in the above direction i will look for parties that balance the books while keeping the country in relatively good shape.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:34 PM   #54
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is it true that in Alberta, you cant touch a girls boob until you marry her?
I think you're confusing that with, once you're married in Manitoba, you CAN'T touch a women's boobs. My wife helped spark that law.
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It's what happens when the young take a year of polisci and see how the country works. It's pretty sad. If you posed a simple yes or no to the average Canadian:

Should we give land/money to indians because they couldn't defend their own land 200 years ago?

I really wonder how many people would be willing to just hand it all over.

I don't support the current healthcare system. My sister had an anxiety attack that left her temporarily paralyzed this weekend. Took her to ER, she had to wait 3 hours before a doctor even LOOKED at her. So why can't we have an "expidited" line. My parents would have signed over some cash to put her in front of the crack heads, battered women and old people who have nothing better to do than go to the hospital when they are bored.

The country is falling apart, and RADICAL reforms need to take place.
thats not a solution. maybe private institutions where you pay for a private health care system. no government funding, but an efficient system that gets people who want to pay for quality healthcare off the public system. i'd even let those companies operate tax free because it would create more jobs and higher paying ones at that. all while making public money go further.
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Fitty.................New Governments...........I hope
Really? I could have sworn I saw you post that you were voting Liberal.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:39 PM   #57
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thats not a solution. maybe private institutions where you pay for a private health care system. no government funding, but an efficient system that gets people who want to pay for quality healthcare off the public system. i'd even let those companies operate tax free because it would create more jobs and higher paying ones at that. all while making public money go further.

BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..
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Pro-war and shit like that... Oh yes i almost forgot, BradM as allready been Americanized.
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Yeah.. like those are the only issues worth voting for....? You think people like you dont regret voting the Bush administration in? Want to get rapped again with more free trade agreements with the Americas only serving the US interests?? Remember Mulroney? Bush's senior best bud...?

Liberals can run an economy... Conservatives have run it to the ground a couple of times...
a conservative government doesn't mean a bad government. there's plenty of good policies on a right wing platform. the key is meshing it into the current system and being fiscally responsible. the conservative platform is a joke and unless they make some hardcore cuts they won't be in the black. they'll waste more money than the liberals
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I dont get it giys, How come everyone thinks that BQ is separatist? It isnt so, they don't want Quebec to separate (if they did they would run for the provincial gouvernement). You only think that they are because of their name. What tehy are realy for is the Protection of the french language along side other reforms that have absolutely nothing to do with Quebec. So My vote goes to BQ. Yes I am a socialist, I dont care that much that I am taxed 47%. But atleast I know that I have all those social services (even tho most of them I might never use), just in case that I might need them. And yes I happend to care about the poor and the homeless, they need our help to. Only Ignorent people who think of themselfs will vote Conservative, that will make the gap between rich and poor even larger.
did you see the debate? seperating was the prime agenda and came out near the end of the first debate i believe it was.
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No, Harper won't eat your babies or give you AIDS, but he will run our economy into the ground, drive up taxes, and wipe out our civil liberties.

I'm fearful for our country once Harper is elected today.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:50 PM   #62
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actually I thought that movie was highly overrated so I only watched it once but as someone with a dual major of sociology and politics I had my fill of economic students..lol
economics is maybe the best major for business, also very tough to apply in the real world. if i was to do my bcomm again i would double major in HR and economics.
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Old 01-23-2006, 02:52 PM   #63
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BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..
I've waited three hours in emergency rooms in the States when a good pretty penny was being spent there. Priority is priority.
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economics is maybe the best major for business, also very tough to apply in the real world. if i was to do my bcomm again i would double major in HR and economics.

Oh, I am sure. I wasn't saying it wasn't valuable but just joshing a bit about first year students of anything that think they know it all. Heck, a lot of people with degrees in subjects hardly know anything of any real use in a subject.

That said, I hated my economics classes unless they were in the sociology courses when it was more about the effect policies had on community, etc. Then it was up my street.
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brad makes very very good points
you dont live in canada, you dont know what its like to pay 47% in taxes for stupid programs you will never use or need
from equalization payments alberta and ontario pay to the rest of the provinces to social programs for the freeloaders
to have to wait at hospitals for hours to be looked at because you have to wait for the crack addicts and whores..

i agree with brad completely, shit needs to change

ummm, i live in winnipeg, manitoba............................ and you don't pay 47% - you need to make over $70K net to pay that - as dumb as you are I' betting you dont' make fuck all - maybe DADDY does - not you. - I pay the max rate though - and have for 10 years on a LOT of income.

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I'm fearful for our country once Harper is elected today.
i heard a rumour he hates the balloon niche...
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i heard a rumour he hates the balloon niche...
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BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..
Yeah let's cling on THIS example more than the other points that make sense, because obviously my vote for the Conservatives is because they hate battered women in hospitals. Give me a break.
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With the conservatives supporting the war in iraq, the starwars program, and more security/military, we'll all end up paying more taxes.

Why can't people see that?
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I don't support the current healthcare system. My sister had an anxiety attack that left her temporarily paralyzed this weekend. Took her to ER, she had to wait 3 hours before a doctor even LOOKED at her.
You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?
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You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?
No of course there is no 1:1 doctor to citizen, or even 1:1 doctor to PATIENT. But the people that can walk into the ER and get FREE healthcare is absolutely staggering. You'd have to have been a part of the country to understand, so I won't be rude or demeaning about it.
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You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?

To be fair those of with national healthcare systems do pay for it - heavily. I still wouldn't want to live without the NHS now that I have had it. I can't speak for the condition of the Canadian system but I do know their system isn't free either. Free at the point of delivery and free are two different things.
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Brad...just hope that fortune always shines on you and you never need help.
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Brad...just hope that fortune always shines on you and you never need help.
If I do, I'll have insurance or the money to pay for it. If I don't then I have nothing to bitch about now do I?
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If I do, I'll have insurance or the money to pay for it. If I don't then I have nothing to bitch about now do I?

How if you are in the position to need help would you have the money to pay for insurance or private health care?
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I went to vote this morning and was turned away..........the polls didnt open till 9.30 am.............. Assholes, I wasnt going to wait around for 10 mins, so have to go back tonite

ummm, I am sorry . . . but did you think the polling times were just an approximate?
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How if you are in the position to need help would you have the money to pay for insurance or private health care?
Thankfully he can take money from everyone else in the country! In fact the harder everyone else works, the more they will have to give him!

How is this not communism?
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Thankfully he can take money from everyone else in the country! In fact the harder everyone else works, the more they will have to give him!

How is this not communism?

In theory he would have worked too and have paid in so that when he needed the help it was there. Of course, that is a theory and there are people who cheat the system just like they would treat any system.

I don't like the idea of people dying because they can't afford healthcare or having to decide between an opperation or going broke.

That said, I do realize that it has to be paid for somehow. With the exception of those that are unable to work for valid reasons everyone should be working and contributing into the pot they may need to claim from one day. In theory (again) the system should be there to catch those people have fallen so that they can get up again.
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How if you are in the position to need help would you have the money to pay for insurance or private health care?
Wait now I am officially confused.

Maybe you don't get where I am coming from. I have no sympathy for people. If you live in a society like today's world and you fall ill and are unable to pay for it then you go in debt. If you can't pay for it, you lose everything. That's how it works. I didn't make it up - the Western World did.
I love how it works. Personally if I had to leech on the rest of the country to pay my bills I'd feel pretty guilty.

Now if you're asking ME, then I doubt I will ever be in the position to need help if something like that were to arise.

If you're speaking generally and by "you" you mean "anyone" well then that's not my problem. I'm not interested in my tax dollars going to pay for Billy's broken ankle. Franky I don't give a shit about Billy, and his parents can pay for his ankle. If they can't, maybe they should stop smoking and drinking and save up to pay for it.
I'm so sorry your grandma needs a liver transplant being 87 years old. That's so sad. But I'm not interested in my tax $ going to help buy her a new one. Her family can pitch in and buy it if they care that much.

See where I am going with this?

This isn't a socialist state. This isn't a communist country. This is dog eat dog, winner take all. I'm glad people seem to feel the need to help others. If that's how you get personal satisfaction - I applaud you for it that's super. But me, I don't give a shit and I will vote accordingly.

If you don't like it, you can disagree with me and throw in some more passive stabs at me. This is my opinion, and plenty more agree with it. (ie, people who aren't jobless hippy pot smoking lazy sacks of shit)
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Liberals can run an economy... Conservatives have run it to the ground a couple of times...
This is it in a nut shell.
Conservative always screw things up and the liberals end up having to fix it
I hope Canada stays smart and lets the least harmful bunch of crooks win.
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if you have national health care you do have socalist aspects to your country..might not like it but it is true.

I am not being mean to you but at your age it is really easy to think you will always be as comfortable as you are now. It only takes one accident to leave you disabled and unable to keep yourself as you are used to living. I pray you never learn that that the hard way.
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Thankfully he can take money from everyone else in the country! In fact the harder everyone else works, the more they will have to give him!

How is this not communism?
its far from communism. just because canada has social programs doesn't mean its a socialist or communist country. canada has a decent balance, not perfect but people always complain.
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for some reason I found " (ie, people who aren't jobless hippy pot smoking lazy sacks of shit)" funny. Is there a Canadian version of Rush Limbaugh that teaches this stuff?

Love the idea that anyone that disagrees is a 'hippy'. Hmm..lets see...I work, never done any drugs beyond medication and I wouldn't exactly call myself lazy. I think you of all people know I work rather long hours and am dedicated to my company. Oh and I pay taxes in two different countries. I am sure I am not the only one in this sort of position that disagrees with you.

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I pray you never learn that that the hard way.
God forbid ANYTHING bad happen to anyone.

But the sad truth is accidents do happen and frankly I am not excited to pay for OTHER PEOPLES accidents. That's not why I work, that's not why I continue to work so my taxes can get jacked year after year so I can pay for Aunt Margarets sore knee all the fucking time.
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a conservative government doesn't mean a bad government. there's plenty of good policies on a right wing platform.
oh stop, i almost burst my spleen
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Too many board kiddies trying to take 12clicks job lately.
12clicks is a piece of shit, but he has some points I do agree with (but soooooo many I do not)
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It only takes one accident to leave you disabled and unable to keep yourself as you are used to living. I pray you never learn that that the hard way.
THis is so true, when something like that does happen to you or a close family member you sure change your tune fast.
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12clicks is a piece of shit, but he has some points I do agree with (but soooooo many I do not)

The problem with so many wannabees is that they are making me almost miss him when he isn't around.
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THis is so true, when something like that does happen to you or a close family member you sure change your tune fast.
You mean when you're the one who now needs everyone else's money? Of course you'd change your tune fast, what kind of comment is that

I'm sure if I got caught stealing a car I'd start approving of Canada's joke of a justice system too
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You mean when you're the one who now needs everyone else's money? Of course you'd change your tune fast, what kind of comment is that

I'm sure if I got caught stealing a car I'd start approving of Canada's joke of a justice system too
you mean like going to jail?
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With the conservatives supporting the war in iraq, the starwars program, and more security/military, we'll all end up paying more taxes.

Why can't people see that?

No, we'll end up paying less, because we'll stop being a bunch of bleeding hearts giving up our money to the "poor, poor crackheads".


Fxck that.
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Canada's healthcare is far from "free"


I owe MSP almost 3k, which I have to pay this month


If I was in the US, insurance for the last 2 years or so would've been cheaper....
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You mean when you're the one who now needs everyone else's money? Of course you'd change your tune fast, what kind of comment is that

I'm sure if I got caught stealing a car I'd start approving of Canada's joke of a justice system too
So true. This country almost ENCOURAGES people to grow up being pieces of crap living off the system. It's a hell of a lot easier than working for a living.
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So true. This country almost ENCOURAGES people to grow up being pieces of crap living off the system. It's a hell of a lot easier than working for a living.

so its easy living off the system?
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you mean like going to jail?
I'd love to live in a part of Canada where thieves go to jail...

*edit: hypothetically speaking, I'm declaring non-residency
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so its easy living off the system?
Oh I know you're trying to be wity. Fucking tool.
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