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fuzebox 01-23-2006 02:07 PM

I didn't vote as I don't intend to be a Canadian resident any longer.

fuzebox 01-23-2006 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
brad makes very very good points
you dont live in canada, you dont know what its like to pay 47% in taxes for stupid programs you will never use or need from equalization payments alberta and ontario pay to the rest of the provinces to social programs for the freeloaders to have to wait at hospitals for hours to be looked at because you have to wait for the crack addicts and whores..

i agree with brad completely, shit needs to change

I agree with Brad also, but SleazyDream lives in Manitoba, I thought this was common knowledge.

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myst
brad makes very very good points
you dont live in canada, you dont know what its like to pay 47% in taxes for stupid programs you will never use or need
from equalization payments alberta and ontario pay to the rest of the provinces to social programs for the freeloaders
to have to wait at hospitals for hours to be looked at because you have to wait for the crack addicts and whores..

i agree with brad completely, shit needs to change

unless I missed something Sleazy is Canadian

StuartD 01-23-2006 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
you dont live in canada

:error :error

Myst 01-23-2006 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
unless I missed something Sleazy is Canadian

whoa
my mistake lol

TheLegacy 01-23-2006 02:13 PM

remember the good ol' days of the Rhinoceros Party of Canada?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party_of_Canada


Rhinoceros Party platform
Bryan Gold of the Rhinoceros Party described the party platform as two feet high and made of wood. "My platform is the one I'm standing on." A candidate named Ted "not so" Sharp ran in Flora MacDonald's Ontario riding with the campaign slogan "Fauna, not flora", promising to give fauna equal representation. Sharp's platform on the controversial abortion issue was clear: "If elected, I promise to never have an abortion." Party Member (and singer) Michel Rivard once went on TV (during free air time given to political party) and stated: "I have but two things to say to you: Celery and Sidewalk. Thank you, good night."

The Rhinos have also promised to break every promise (a platform plank they claim has been copied and put into execution by the mainstream parties) and have promised, if elected, to immediately demand a recount.

Other platform promises released by the Rhinoceros Party included:

repealing the law of gravity,
reducing the speed of light because it's much too fast,
paving Thunder Bay to make a parking lot for Toronto,
providing higher education by building taller schools,
instituting English, French and illiteracy as Canada's three official languages,
offering to retrain those constituents who want to become illiterate by enrolling them in a state educational institution,
tearing down the Rocky Mountains so that Albertans could see the Pacific sunset, or moving them one metre west as a make-work project,
legalising pot. And pans. And spatulas. And other kitchen utensils,
building sloping roads and bicycle paths across the country so that Canadians could "coast from coast to coast",
making all sidewalks out of rubber to prevent inebriated people from hurting themselves when they fall down
responding to the energy crisis, reducing energy costs for transportation by moving the cities of Montréal 50km west and Toronto 50km east,
abolishing pumping oil out of the ground as that oil is there to keep the earth moving smoothly on its axis and if you withdraw the oil, the whole thing will grind to a halt,
abolishing the environment because it's too hard to keep clean and it takes up so much space,
annexing the United States, which would take its place as the third territory (after the Yukon and North-West Territories) in Canada's backyard, in order to raise the mean temperature of Canada by one degree Celsius,
replacing the Canadian Armed Forces with clones of Vladislav Tretiak,
end crime by abolishing all laws
making bubble gum the national currency, so that it could be inflated or deflated at will,
breeding a mosquito that would only hatch in January so that "the little buggers will freeze to death",
turning Montreal's Saint Catherine Street into the world's longest bowling alley,
adopting the British system of driving on the left; this was to be gradually phased in over five years with large trucks first, then buses, eventually including small cars and bicycles last,
as an energy-saving idea, putting larger wheels on the back of all cars so that they will always be going downhill,
selling the Canadian Senate at an antique auction in California,
putting the national debt on Visa,
declaring war on Belgium because a Belgian cartoon character, Tintin, killed a rhinoceros in one of the cartoons,
offering to call off the proposed Belgium-Canada war if Belgium delivered a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to Rhinoceros "Hindquarters" in Montréal (the Belgian Embassy in Ottawa did, in fact, do this),
painting Canada's coastal sea limits so that Canadian fish would know where they were at all times,
counting the Thousand Islands to make sure none were missing,
running a Penny Hoar in Toronto on a safe sex platform,
running more than one candidate per riding as an MP's salary is certainly enough to support more than one person,
exploiting acid rain as an electrical energy source by placing dissimilar-metal electrodes in Canadian swimming pools in order to use them as batteries,
making Canadians stronger by putting steroids in the water,
banning lousy Canadian winters,
moving the Vatican to Saint-Bruno-de-Montarville, Quebec to promote tourism,
putting the West Edmonton Mall on wheels and rolling it to areas of the country suffering from economic depression,
turning the Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine tunnel in Montreal into a free carwash by poking holes in the ceiling,
annexing Greenland and creating a cartel with other northern nations in order to sell icebergs to the Saudi's, the cartel would be called "Icepec",
digging a canal from coast to coast, by hand, to reduce unemployment; and then, leveling the Rocky Mountains and using the canal to transport the material east to fill in the Great Lakes, in order to expand Canada's landmass.
The Rhino Party also declared that, should they somehow actually win an election, they would immediately dissolve and force a second election.

TheLegacy 01-23-2006 02:15 PM

Despite the obvious appeal of banning winter, the Rhinoceros Party never succeeded in winning a seat in Parliament. In the 1984 federal election, however, the party won the fourth-largest number of votes, after the three main political parties, but ahead of several well-established minor parties. Rhino candidates sometimes came in second in certain ridings, humiliating traditional Canadian parties in the process. In the 1980 federal election, for instance, the Rhinoceros party nominated a professional clown/comedian named Sonia "Chatouille" Chahaha244;thahaha233; ('chatouille' means tickles in French) in the Laurier riding in Montrhahaha233;al. Chahaha244;thahaha233; came in second place, after the successful Liberal candidate, but ahead of both other major parties: the third place New Democrat, and the fourth-place Progressive Conservative candidate. Chatouille received almost twice as many votes as the PC candidate.

BradM 01-23-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
poor people arent entitled to health care and housing and education, whats wrong with living on a sheet of cardboard under a bridge...maybe a little dumpster diving for a quick snack...mighty tasty, im sure...

as for the Indians, well they couldnt beat whitey, arrows against bullets is so unfair, Brad... but they became the pawns in a long term social engineering screwup, while their children were sexual playthings for the religious wingnuts at those wonderful residential schools...

Yes I know all about the residential schools. The last one was closed not too long ago if I remember correctly.

Hey, that's called colonialism. I don't agree that holding them as second rate citizens is right. That's why I think reserves need to be abolished, and they can pay taxes and get jobs like the rest of us.

the Shemp 01-23-2006 02:18 PM

is it true that in Alberta, you cant touch a girls boob until you marry her?

JFK 01-23-2006 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by webspider
Soon we'll see the results...

well the polls close @ 9.30pm tonite...........

I went to vote this morning and was turned away..........the polls didnt open till 9.30 am.............. Assholes, I wasnt going to wait around for 10 mins, so have to go back tonite:disgust

JFK 01-23-2006 02:20 PM

Fitty.................New Governments...........I hope :thumbsup

BradM 01-23-2006 02:23 PM

My problem with the Natives is moreso their complete refusal to "become canadian" just like the french. Quebec isn't a country. Qwialikduk reserve is not a country. They are parts of CANADA.
Natives are seperatists.
Quebec are seperatists.

And the right wing is going to stick it hard to them to understand that. The liberals just putter around in court. The NDP will just give them whatever they want.
That's not my main reason for wanting a right wing government however.

Injustices have been done all over the world for thousands of years. Should I go sue Italy because the Romans raped one of my Gaul ancestors? Get fucked if you think that should happen. And yes that is a realistic comparison, it makes JUST as much sense as the modern Native youth AND elders wanting land and money for ALL of our ancestors mistakes.

And Sarah: I have my own opinions. I know what school is there for. I don't think I claimed I took a year of school and therefore know all. My logic is flawed in someones eyes, as is mine in theirs.

Sleazy: Come slap me. You couldn't argue a point if your 400lbs depended on it which is why you just resorted to some lame ass threat.

FlyingIguana 01-23-2006 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM
Liberal propoganda. Scare you into voting for them. Liberals are going to continue to fuck this country.

Vote Conservative.

NDP = throwaway socialist vote (they want to make everything free. especially for crack heads and lazy pieces of welfare shit)
BQ = Seperatists
Liberals = Liars, cheaters and Broker party bullshit (ie feed both sides what they want to hear, and yet NEVER solve ANY problems)

how did the liberals fuck the country? if conservatives get in we'll be back in the red.

canada has a strong economy relative to other countries, balances books while enjoying one of the better standards of living in the world without paying insane taxes like some euro countries (not as many social perks, but a solid balance imo).

no party addresses the real issues of productivity growth, increasing the amount of high paying jobs (incentives for companies to have their corporate or product line headquarters in canada), developing sound trade agreements with other countries to be less dependant on the US, nurturing more start ups in high growth industries, being proactive on crime, making governments more efficient, etc.

until a party decides to go in the above direction i will look for parties that balance the books while keeping the country in relatively good shape.

ronaldo 01-23-2006 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
is it true that in Alberta, you cant touch a girls boob until you marry her?

I think you're confusing that with, once you're married in Manitoba, you CAN'T touch a women's boobs. My wife helped spark that law.

FlyingIguana 01-23-2006 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM
It's what happens when the young take a year of polisci and see how the country works. It's pretty sad. If you posed a simple yes or no to the average Canadian:

Should we give land/money to indians because they couldn't defend their own land 200 years ago?

I really wonder how many people would be willing to just hand it all over.

I don't support the current healthcare system. My sister had an anxiety attack that left her temporarily paralyzed this weekend. Took her to ER, she had to wait 3 hours before a doctor even LOOKED at her. So why can't we have an "expidited" line. My parents would have signed over some cash to put her in front of the crack heads, battered women and old people who have nothing better to do than go to the hospital when they are bored.

The country is falling apart, and RADICAL reforms need to take place.

thats not a solution. maybe private institutions where you pay for a private health care system. no government funding, but an efficient system that gets people who want to pay for quality healthcare off the public system. i'd even let those companies operate tax free because it would create more jobs and higher paying ones at that. all while making public money go further.

ronaldo 01-23-2006 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK
Fitty.................New Governments...........I hope :thumbsup

Really? I could have sworn I saw you post that you were voting Liberal.

the Shemp 01-23-2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingIguana
thats not a solution. maybe private institutions where you pay for a private health care system. no government funding, but an efficient system that gets people who want to pay for quality healthcare off the public system. i'd even let those companies operate tax free because it would create more jobs and higher paying ones at that. all while making public money go further.


BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..

Jman 01-23-2006 02:39 PM

Pro-war and shit like that... Oh yes i almost forgot, BradM as allready been Americanized.

FlyingIguana 01-23-2006 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
Yeah.. like those are the only issues worth voting for....? You think people like you dont regret voting the Bush administration in? Want to get rapped again with more free trade agreements with the Americas only serving the US interests?? Remember Mulroney? Bush's senior best bud...?

Liberals can run an economy... Conservatives have run it to the ground a couple of times...

a conservative government doesn't mean a bad government. there's plenty of good policies on a right wing platform. the key is meshing it into the current system and being fiscally responsible. the conservative platform is a joke and unless they make some hardcore cuts they won't be in the black. they'll waste more money than the liberals

FlyingIguana 01-23-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fah King
I dont get it giys, How come everyone thinks that BQ is separatist? It isnt so, they don't want Quebec to separate (if they did they would run for the provincial gouvernement). You only think that they are because of their name. What tehy are realy for is the Protection of the french language along side other reforms that have absolutely nothing to do with Quebec. So My vote goes to BQ. Yes I am a socialist, I dont care that much that I am taxed 47%. But atleast I know that I have all those social services (even tho most of them I might never use), just in case that I might need them. And yes I happend to care about the poor and the homeless, they need our help to. Only Ignorent people who think of themselfs will vote Conservative, that will make the gap between rich and poor even larger.

did you see the debate? seperating was the prime agenda and came out near the end of the first debate i believe it was.

Kassidy 01-23-2006 02:47 PM

No, Harper won't eat your babies or give you AIDS, but he will run our economy into the ground, drive up taxes, and wipe out our civil liberties.

I'm fearful for our country once Harper is elected today.

FlyingIguana 01-23-2006 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
actually I thought that movie was highly overrated so I only watched it once but as someone with a dual major of sociology and politics I had my fill of economic students..lol

economics is maybe the best major for business, also very tough to apply in the real world. if i was to do my bcomm again i would double major in HR and economics.

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..

I've waited three hours in emergency rooms in the States when a good pretty penny was being spent there. Priority is priority.

NoCarrier 01-23-2006 02:52 PM

Even more effective today..

http://www.porn-sex-list.com/bradmadvisor.jpg

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingIguana
economics is maybe the best major for business, also very tough to apply in the real world. if i was to do my bcomm again i would double major in HR and economics.


Oh, I am sure. I wasn't saying it wasn't valuable but just joshing a bit about first year students of anything that think they know it all. Heck, a lot of people with degrees in subjects hardly know anything of any real use in a subject.

That said, I hated my economics classes unless they were in the sociology courses when it was more about the effect policies had on community, etc. Then it was up my street.

SleazyDream 01-23-2006 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst
brad makes very very good points
you dont live in canada, you dont know what its like to pay 47% in taxes for stupid programs you will never use or need
from equalization payments alberta and ontario pay to the rest of the provinces to social programs for the freeloaders
to have to wait at hospitals for hours to be looked at because you have to wait for the crack addicts and whores..

i agree with brad completely, shit needs to change


ummm, i live in winnipeg, manitoba............................ and you don't pay 47% - you need to make over $70K net to pay that - as dumb as you are I' betting you dont' make fuck all - maybe DADDY does - not you. - I pay the max rate though - and have for 10 years on a LOT of income.

typical consertative - no brain and thinking everyone else needs correction

the Shemp 01-23-2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kassidy
No, Harper won't eat your babies or give you AIDS, but he will run our economy into the ground, drive up taxes, and wipe out our civil liberties.

I'm fearful for our country once Harper is elected today.

i heard a rumour he hates the balloon niche...

Kassidy 01-23-2006 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
i heard a rumour he hates the balloon niche...

Damn, he's lost my vote for SURE then :Oh crap

BradM 01-23-2006 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
BradM would make a good triage nurse, he knew that his sister needed help more than the battered wife did..

Yeah let's cling on THIS example more than the other points that make sense, because obviously my vote for the Conservatives is because they hate battered women in hospitals. Give me a break.

BradM 01-23-2006 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Even more effective today..

Coming from a Seperatist I'm flattered.

directfiesta 01-23-2006 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy
remember the good ol' days of the Rhinoceros Party of Canada?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party_of_Canada

abolishing pumping oil out of the ground as that oil is there to keep the earth moving smoothly on its axis and if you withdraw the oil, the whole thing will grind to a halt,

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks for the trip to memory lane ...:thumbsup

Jay_StandAhead 01-23-2006 03:28 PM

With the conservatives supporting the war in iraq, the starwars program, and more security/military, we'll all end up paying more taxes.

Why can't people see that?

baddog 01-23-2006 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp
this is what happens when we allow our young people to go to the US for a few months :(

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

baddog 01-23-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

I don't support the current healthcare system. My sister had an anxiety attack that left her temporarily paralyzed this weekend. Took her to ER, she had to wait 3 hours before a doctor even LOOKED at her.

You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?

BradM 01-23-2006 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?

No of course there is no 1:1 doctor to citizen, or even 1:1 doctor to PATIENT. But the people that can walk into the ER and get FREE healthcare is absolutely staggering. You'd have to have been a part of the country to understand, so I won't be rude or demeaning about it.

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog
You get what you pay for. You don't have private hospitals? Do you have a 1:1 ratio of doctors to citizens?


To be fair those of with national healthcare systems do pay for it - heavily. I still wouldn't want to live without the NHS now that I have had it. I can't speak for the condition of the Canadian system but I do know their system isn't free either. Free at the point of delivery and free are two different things.

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 03:45 PM

Brad...just hope that fortune always shines on you and you never need help.

BradM 01-23-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc
Brad...just hope that fortune always shines on you and you never need help.

If I do, I'll have insurance or the money to pay for it. If I don't then I have nothing to bitch about now do I?

Sarah_Jayne 01-23-2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM
If I do, I'll have insurance or the money to pay for it. If I don't then I have nothing to bitch about now do I?


How if you are in the position to need help would you have the money to pay for insurance or private health care?

baddog 01-23-2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK
well the polls close @ 9.30pm tonite...........

I went to vote this morning and was turned away..........the polls didnt open till 9.30 am.............. Assholes, I wasnt going to wait around for 10 mins, so have to go back tonite:disgust


ummm, I am sorry . . . but did you think the polling times were just an approximate?


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