Age Verification Methods....What do you use? - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 01-18-2006, 09:49 AM

I am currently working on a draft of a white paper addressing different age verification techniques and website accessibility issues such as:

1. Click-through Agreement "Yes, I Agree."

2. Digital Signatures and Secure Servers

3. Birth Date entry by surfer and Perjury Statement

4. Tagging Content with a rating for Browser Accessibility on a machine language level, (Think V Chip)

5. Using Metatags

6. Using TLDs such as .kids and .xxx

And, any other method that someone can suggest.

The paper will consider each method by examining its legal ramifications, technological availability, copyright issues, and First Amendment implications such as access to protected materials, filtering by third parties, and creation of a safe harbor.

If you have any suggestions or thoughts on the matter, please leave a posting or ICQ me or email me at [email protected]. Your thoughts on this matter will be deeply appreciated.

Thanks,
Redrob

European Lee · 01-18-2006, 11:02 AM

Looks like the 'pre sell' for Larry Walters age script thingy is about ready to start, just as i said it would a few weeks back

Regards,

Lee

Brad Mitchell · 01-18-2006, 11:18 AM

We can do age and identity verification in real time with 123Bill's technology but the downside is that there is a cost per transaction. The upside, if an AVS was made out of it then everyone could have an account un/pwd and only have to go through the process once.

Brad

Redrob · 01-18-2006, 11:26 AM

I am not associated with Larry Walters, nor am I selling for him.

I will consider his method as one of many.

sumphatpimp · 01-18-2006, 11:27 AM

thier really is no way to prove id.
I may have access to Joe Surfers credit card, drivers license, birth certificate and more but it doesn't prove I am Joe Surfer; just that I stole his indenity.
its the internet, try and find me.

psili · 01-18-2006, 11:29 AM

We force a credit card transaction, either by joining a paysite with a monthly membership, or we force them to incur an upfront charge, after which they can get a free download of what they want. In the latter case, it's a pay-per-download model.

Redrob · 01-18-2006, 03:28 PM

Bump for some info

TheJimmy · 01-18-2006, 03:29 PM

I use the no hosting of 2257 applicable material + no bare nipples rule...

works pretty well...

Oh, and if there are links going to any adultish entertainment sites I register my site(s) with ICRA and a few other filters...

TheJimmy · 01-18-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

We can do age and identity verification in real time with 123Bill's technology but the downside is that there is a cost per transaction. The upside, if an AVS was made out of it then everyone could have an account un/pwd and only have to go through the process once.

Brad

I wish you the best in pushing that service, it's clearly something that would be nice to see more heavily promoted in these waters...

pornguy · 01-18-2006, 03:46 PM

How about jailing the parent that allows thier child to surf the internet unattended.

tony286 · 01-18-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

How about jailing the parent that allows thier child to surf the internet unattended.

Thank you thats the best one , what would they do to a parent who let their children walk around the red light district of a city. These orgs dont want to push for parent responsiblity because there is no money to be made in that. lol There is no way to prove without a doubt the age of a person on the net until there is fingerprint verification. The internet is not a fucking VCR its alive and god forbid in this day and and age we blame the parents for anything. As Far as Larry's thing unless its changed from when I emailed him awhile ago. You pay $400 for it if you are not a client and if they bust for children looking at your site , you are on your own. What a great fucking deal lol.

Redrob · 01-18-2006, 07:46 PM

I don't have a lot of tolerance for juvenile delinquents, either.... any suggestions on how to make AVS work for us instead of slowing us down?

sfera · 01-18-2006, 07:51 PM

i think the onese u listed will work

eroswebmaster · 01-18-2006, 07:52 PM

I usually knock on their door and ask for ID.
But then I only get like 1 sale per month, and no rebilling...so it's easy.

tony286 · 01-18-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I don't have a lot of tolerance for juvenile delinquents, either.... any suggestions on how to make AVS work for us instead of slowing us down?

it wont work for us, we dont have the technology. ads and commercials pushing parents to monitor their kids internet use.Creating a kid friendly network for them to be able to surf. I would rather see big fish money go to these things,then look at how big my dick is parties.Our orgs want us to jump thru hoops assuming its our fault, when the real monsters hang out in aol and yahoo chat rooms. Also the net isnt only in america which people seem to forget.

Redrob · 01-19-2006, 09:17 PM

After today's Senate hearings, this paper may be more important than many previously thought. What system are you using? What would you like to see? What about a rating system? What would you rate and how would you rate it?

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1 Atm
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Pornwolf · 01-19-2006, 09:54 PM

I have a multiple choice question on the front of most sites.

Who was the lead singer of Wham.

A. Michael Stipe

B. Boy George

C. George Michael

Normally that weeds out the riff raff pretty easily.

Redrob · 01-19-2006, 10:06 PM

It weeds out a lot of 50 year old guys, too.

Pornwolf · 01-19-2006, 10:15 PM

Yeah, fuck it, I do well with the 18-49 demographic.

Matt 26z · 01-19-2006, 10:43 PM

There was a company promoting their finger scanning device for the home that measured bone density or something. The downside was that some young adults would be flagged as minors. Not to mention people would need to buy this thing.

There is also issuing security cards to certain people (verified adults in this case), then they swipe it through a USB terminal for access. I don't know the companies who make these either. Again though, people would need to purchase a physical device. Plus you have no idea if a minor is actually using the card.

Another issue with these physical verification devices is that they present a problem for a society that is moving towards smaller internet capable electronics. While they may work at your desk with your other bulky hardware, their use is not realistic with things like the inevitable WiFi capable iPod or other very small devices that people carry on their body.

2HousePlague · 01-19-2006, 10:43 PM

hypnosis.

leggs · 01-19-2006, 11:04 PM

1) I check to see if she is growing pubic hair.
2) If the acne on her face is dry or active.
3) If the man that brought her to my office is her boyfriend or dad.
**
4) Most importantly - Is the ID that she showed me of such a good quality that I can produce reasonable doubt in a court of law.
**
As for anything on the Internet....
I let my webmonster work that one out.

Just kidding....
IF they even look like they might be less than 25. We don't film her.

Ron Bennett · 01-20-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

1. Click-through Agreement "Yes, I Agree."

Anyone can click a button...

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Originally Posted by Redrob

2. Digital Signatures and Secure Servers

How does a "signature" and "secure servers" verify an age? ... they can't.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

3. Birth Date entry by surfer and Perjury Statement

Good luck trying to enforce that against an adult let alone a minor LOL!

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Originally Posted by Redrob

4. Tagging Content with a rating for Browser Accessibility on a machine language level, (Think V Chip)

That in some limited instances may prove effective, but that assumes the website has tagged their content properly, and further assumes the parent, and/or perhaps the minor themself, has enabled content management.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

5. Using Metatags

May be helpful for search engines in determining if a site, for filtering purposes, is of an "adult" nature.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

6. Using TLDs such as .kids and .xxx

Those TLDs do not exist globally (some ISPs, etc unofficially support alternative TLDs, but most do not); ICANN likely won't add them for a long time, if ever due to the complicated issues involved.

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Originally Posted by Redrob

And, any other method that someone can suggest.

Require the person to:

1. mail in (or perhaps fax / email) in a copy of government issued photo ID (ie. drivers license)...

2. accompanied by a notorized form

3. require credit card payment / authorization (this does not prove age, but rather allows one to utilize AVS - see below) on-line via credit card ... or payment via cell phone

4. see if AVS result (if credit card) corresponds to the address shown on photo ID ... and/or that the cell phone (and/or sms) number is associated with that person (not yet feasiable due to privacy issues, but may be in the future)

5. send a registered postal mail to the person... and/or call (or sms) via cell phone (would require cooperation of cell phone companies)

Back in the day of computer BBSes, the ones that had the best success in verifying age required people to actually mail in or fax in photo ID, etc and then very importantly the BBS operator made clear they would then follow-up by calling the person to verify.

Bottom line is that age verification is extraordinarily difficult to do solely in the computer realm alone.

Ron

Redrob · 01-20-2006, 09:40 AM

Thanks for all the good comments and suggestions. I appreciate your help and guidance.

01-18-2006, 09:49 AM	#1
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Age Verification Methods....What do you use? I am currently working on a draft of a white paper addressing different age verification techniques and website accessibility issues such as: 1. Click-through Agreement "Yes, I Agree." 2. Digital Signatures and Secure Servers 3. Birth Date entry by surfer and Perjury Statement 4. Tagging Content with a rating for Browser Accessibility on a machine language level, (Think V Chip) 5. Using Metatags 6. Using TLDs such as .kids and .xxx And, any other method that someone can suggest. The paper will consider each method by examining its legal ramifications, technological availability, copyright issues, and First Amendment implications such as access to protected materials, filtering by third parties, and creation of a safe harbor. If you have any suggestions or thoughts on the matter, please leave a posting or ICQ me or email me at [email protected]. Your thoughts on this matter will be deeply appreciated. Thanks, Redrob

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I am not associated with Larry Walters, nor am I selling for him. I will consider his method as one of many.

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	thier really is no way to prove id. I may have access to Joe Surfers credit card, drivers license, birth certificate and more but it doesn't prove I am Joe Surfer; just that I stole his indenity. its the internet, try and find me.

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Bump for some info

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I don't have a lot of tolerance for juvenile delinquents, either.... any suggestions on how to make AVS work for us instead of slowing us down?

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	After today's Senate hearings, this paper may be more important than many previously thought. What system are you using? What would you like to see? What about a rating system? What would you rate and how would you rate it? Ten Tits 3 Dicks 1 Atm and Tranny Kung Fu.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I have a multiple choice question on the front of most sites. Who was the lead singer of Wham. A. Michael Stipe B. Boy George C. George Michael Normally that weeds out the riff raff pretty easily. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	It weeds out a lot of 50 year old guys, too.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Yeah, fuck it, I do well with the 18-49 demographic. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	There was a company promoting their finger scanning device for the home that measured bone density or something. The downside was that some young adults would be flagged as minors. Not to mention people would need to buy this thing. There is also issuing security cards to certain people (verified adults in this case), then they swipe it through a USB terminal for access. I don't know the companies who make these either. Again though, people would need to purchase a physical device. Plus you have no idea if a minor is actually using the card. Another issue with these physical verification devices is that they present a problem for a society that is moving towards smaller internet capable electronics. While they may work at your desk with your other bulky hardware, their use is not realistic with things like the inevitable WiFi capable iPod or other very small devices that people carry on their body.

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leggs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 761	1) I check to see if she is growing pubic hair. 2) If the acne on her face is dry or active. 3) If the man that brought her to my office is her boyfriend or dad. 4) Most importantly - Is the ID that she showed me of such a good quality that I can produce reasonable doubt in a court of law. As for anything on the Internet.... I let my webmonster work that one out. Just kidding.... IF they even look like they might be less than 25. We don't film her. __________________ Telephone: +44 0773 7671 113 http://kellysteele.biz http://TheUKhardcore.com http://hamiltonsteele.com

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Thanks for all the good comments and suggestions. I appreciate your help and guidance.