WTF is wrong with Canada's justice system?! - GoFuckYourself.com

SilentKnight · 12-31-2005, 12:44 PM

In the wake of the fatal Boxing Day shooting spree in downtown Toronto that resulted in the tragic death of 15-year-old Jane Creba, an innocent bystander - its now being reported that one of the two youths charged in the shooting was just recently released on probation after serving 30 days for a convenience store armed robbery.

THIRTY DAYS?!?

What the fuck is that?!

I had longer detentions in school for failing to do my homework, for chrissakes!!

What kind of complete retards are working Canada's justice system these days? This has got to be the absolute height of incompetence and reckless lack of responsibility!

As a father of a 15yo daughter myself, this tragedy might very well have been averted had some jackass not turned this menace to society loose on our city streets.

I think the clown who's signature authorized this despicable individual's release should be publicly named and held directly accountable in this senseless death. I only hope the family of the slain girl launches a major lawsuit against someone within the farce of a justice system. It won't bring their daughter back...but a message has to be sent to these jerks who just don't seem to be fully cognizant of the big picture here.

It just burns my ass

pawsregd · 12-31-2005, 12:53 PM

That is pretty fucked up. Toronto is getting to be quite the dangerous place to be now a days.

BradM · 12-31-2005, 12:57 PM

Canada is worthless.

adultchica · 12-31-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In the wake of the fatal Boxing Day shooting spree in downtown Toronto that resulted in the tragic death of 15-year-old Jane Creba, an innocent bystander - its now being reported that one of the two youths charged in the shooting was just recently released on probation after serving 30 days for a convenience store armed robbery.

THIRTY DAYS?!?

What the fuck is that?!

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THAT is a perversion of justice! Whoever let the kid slide with 30 days for ARMED ROBBERY was a fucking moron......and I they they should be charged with neglegent homicide in the death of the young lady Jane Creba

zEn84 · 12-31-2005, 01:01 PM

Being a canadian i totally agree, our justice system is beyond fucked.

Kevsh · 12-31-2005, 01:08 PM

While I agree 100% with your thoughts and anger, suing the accused won't accomplish anything. Settlements in Canadian civil suits are peanuts compared to our American neighbours and it's highly unlikely this teenager will ever earn enough money to even come close to paying it off.

Simply put, crimes involving guns need to carry severe penalties. It won't act as a deterent (young, poor people who rob banks, etc. aren't intimidated by doing time and it's well worth the risk in their minds), but it will get dangerous offenders off the streets.

Sadly, one of the issues is that youth in our city do not view the police as the "good guys". They have very little respect for authority and in the end, very little can be done to prevent these crimes - except locking those up responsible so there's no chance of a repeat.

Edit: If the news about the accused's short robbery sentence bothered you, this will make you far angrier:

http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAn...74259-sun.html

"Accused gang member Andre Thompson had been charged by police 19 times before he allegedly opened fire with a stolen gun on Boxing Day shoppers in the middle of Yonge St.

But 15 of those charges were withdrawn when he pleaded guilty to only four charges in three separate incidents, court documents obtained by the Sun reveal. "

Kevsh · 12-31-2005, 01:12 PM

Sorry, my editing time lapsed, here's the rest of the post:

"One source said his photo is pinned to the wall of a police station along with the warning "armed and dangerous."

The courts apparently did not seem to feel the same way -- he spent only 140 days in jail for his wrongdoings."

SilentKnight · 12-31-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh

While I agree 100% with your thoughts and anger, suing the accused won't accomplish anything. Settlements in Canadian civil suits are peanuts compared to our American neighbours and it's highly unlikely this teenager will ever earn enough money to even come close to paying it off.

No, what I'm saying is the family of the slain girl should be going after those who signed the probation orders.

As far as the person guilty of the shooting - they should be locked up for a few decades and left to rot.

rip raster · 12-31-2005, 01:42 PM

the canadian government is very poorly managed, more effort should be put into fighting violent crimes and less into shit such as the 180 million dollar speed skating oval going in down the street.

Webby · 12-31-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In the wake of the fatal Boxing Day shooting spree in downtown Toronto that resulted in the tragic death of 15-year-old Jane Creba, an innocent bystander - its now being reported that one of the two youths charged in the shooting was just recently released on probation after serving 30 days for a convenience store armed robbery.

THIRTY DAYS?!?

What the fuck is that?!

Ya sometimes wonder!!

It's the same all over tho - not just in Canada.

Got a law friend who was doing some "other stuff" and ended up playing the role of security guard in a store. She was doing what law were trained to do and drinking coffee in the back store when she heard a gunshot. She gets into place and establishes how many are involved, where they are etc - two guys with masks and two arms a piece. They had shot in the direction of the cash point and the girl there had dropped to the floor (assume shot at that time). So.. she shoots a hat off one and the shock set in - one ran out the door, the other stood and froze.

Anyways, this masked "raider" is on the floor and disarmed and she pulls his mask off. It's a kid about 14 years. The police caught the other and pulled him back into the store and he was even younger, 13 years.

I ask WTF they will do with them and how long before they are on the streets again. She reckoned a few weeks in Juvenile Hall and they will be walking again

The girl at the cashpoint was fine - she just fainted - best place for her at that time.

RawAlex · 12-31-2005, 03:28 PM

Canada (like many countries) suffers from a justice system that is hard at the start (arrest and processing) and soft on the back end. Instead of putting more police on the streets (typical politician answer) they need to make more jail space available, more rehabilitiation programs in place, and generally try to clean things up from the back end rather than from the front.

Montreal police are forever bitching about handling the same people over and over again, arresting car theives, drug dealers, and other "small to middle" offence violators over and over again, in a revolving door that often puts them back on the street within hours rather than days.

Some of the homeless types actually commit crimes just to get tossed into the system, warm bed, shower, clean clothes, and a meal or two before they get cycled off the other end of the system.

New "no handgun" laws will not have much effect if the punishment is a slap on the wrist and a warm meal.

Alex

Webby · 12-31-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Montreal police are forever bitching about handling the same people over and over again, arresting car theives, drug dealers, and other "small to middle" offence violators over and over again, in a revolving door that often puts them back on the street within hours rather than days.

Same all over Alex... it's the same old heads who come rolling thru the door in cuffs. They ain't exactly too bright!!

kenny · 12-31-2005, 03:38 PM

Building all these prisions cost alot they are going to have to build them where they can turn profits. Like work camps or something.

Only problem with this is that they will start locking people up more for petty things.

But there is no way around it. They can't keep with the current pace of building prisons that cost $50k per inmate per year.

TheLegacy · 12-31-2005, 03:42 PM

simplest way to handle the situation

1) remove young offenders act so that kids take responsibility for their actions
2) try young offenders as adults
3) stiffer sentences for 3 time offenders
4) hold parents accountable to pay for damages their kids cause
5) after 2 offense or more serious crimes that involve jail time - kids are immediately enlisted in Canadian military for boot camp 3 for years. Failure to complete boot camp adds another year onto it.
6) offer higher rewards for information on gangs etc.

I'm sure with these new rules in place that kids will think twice before pulling any trigger or robbing any store.

12-31-2005, 12:44 PM	#1
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	WTF is wrong with Canada's justice system?! In the wake of the fatal Boxing Day shooting spree in downtown Toronto that resulted in the tragic death of 15-year-old Jane Creba, an innocent bystander - its now being reported that one of the two youths charged in the shooting was just recently released on probation after serving 30 days for a convenience store armed robbery. *THIRTY DAYS?!?* What the fuck is that?! I had longer detentions in school for failing to do my homework, for chrissakes!! What kind of complete retards are working Canada's justice system these days? This has got to be the absolute height of incompetence and reckless lack of responsibility! As a father of a 15yo daughter myself, this tragedy might very well have been averted had some jackass not turned this menace to society loose on our city streets. I think the clown who's signature authorized this despicable individual's release should be publicly named and held directly accountable in this senseless death. I only hope the family of the slain girl launches a major lawsuit against someone within the farce of a justice system. It won't bring their daughter back...but a message has to be sent to these jerks who just don't seem to be fully cognizant of the big picture here. It just burns my ass

12-31-2005, 01:08 PM	#6
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	While I agree 100% with your thoughts and anger, suing the accused won't accomplish anything. Settlements in Canadian civil suits are peanuts compared to our American neighbours and it's highly unlikely this teenager will ever earn enough money to even come close to paying it off. Simply put, crimes involving guns need to carry severe penalties. It won't act as a deterent (young, poor people who rob banks, etc. aren't intimidated by doing time and it's well worth the risk in their minds), but it will get dangerous offenders off the streets. Sadly, one of the issues is that youth in our city do not view the police as the "good guys". They have very little respect for authority and in the end, very little can be done to prevent these crimes - except locking those up responsible so there's no chance of a repeat. Edit: If the news about the accused's short robbery sentence bothered you, this will make you far angrier: http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAn...74259-sun.html "Accused gang member Andre Thompson had been charged by police 19 times before he allegedly opened fire with a stolen gun on Boxing Day shoppers in the middle of Yonge St. But 15 of those charges were withdrawn when he pleaded guilty to only four charges in three separate incidents, court documents obtained by the Sun reveal. " Last edited by Kevsh; 12-31-2005 at 01:10 PM..

12-31-2005, 03:38 PM	#13
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Building all these prisions cost alot they are going to have to build them where they can turn profits. Like work camps or something. Only problem with this is that they will start locking people up more for petty things. But there is no way around it. They can't keep with the current pace of building prisons that cost $50k per inmate per year. __________________ 7

12-31-2005, 03:42 PM	#14
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,076	simplest way to handle the situation 1) remove young offenders act so that kids take responsibility for their actions 2) try young offenders as adults 3) stiffer sentences for 3 time offenders 4) hold parents accountable to pay for damages their kids cause 5) after 2 offense or more serious crimes that involve jail time - kids are immediately enlisted in Canadian military for boot camp 3 for years. Failure to complete boot camp adds another year onto it. 6) offer higher rewards for information on gangs etc. I'm sure with these new rules in place that kids will think twice before pulling any trigger or robbing any store. __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com Last edited by TheLegacy; 12-31-2005 at 03:43 PM..

12-31-2005, 12:53 PM	#2
pawsregd Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Montreal eh Posts: 2,290	That is pretty fucked up. Toronto is getting to be quite the dangerous place to be now a days.

12-31-2005, 12:57 PM	#3
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Canada is worthless.

12-31-2005, 01:01 PM	#5
zEn84 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: BC Posts: 484	Being a canadian i totally agree, our justice system is beyond fucked.

12-31-2005, 01:12 PM	#7
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Sorry, my editing time lapsed, here's the rest of the post: "One source said his photo is pinned to the wall of a police station along with the warning "armed and dangerous." The courts apparently did not seem to feel the same way -- he spent only 140 days in jail for his wrongdoings."

12-31-2005, 01:42 PM	#9
rip raster Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Everville Posts: 2,851	the canadian government is very poorly managed, more effort should be put into fighting violent crimes and less into shit such as the 180 million dollar speed skating oval going in down the street.

12-31-2005, 03:28 PM	#11
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Canada (like many countries) suffers from a justice system that is hard at the start (arrest and processing) and soft on the back end. Instead of putting more police on the streets (typical politician answer) they need to make more jail space available, more rehabilitiation programs in place, and generally try to clean things up from the back end rather than from the front. Montreal police are forever bitching about handling the same people over and over again, arresting car theives, drug dealers, and other "small to middle" offence violators over and over again, in a revolving door that often puts them back on the street within hours rather than days. Some of the homeless types actually commit crimes just to get tossed into the system, warm bed, shower, clean clothes, and a meal or two before they get cycled off the other end of the system. New "no handgun" laws will not have much effect if the punishment is a slap on the wrist and a warm meal. Alex