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There is racism on all parts...no one is inocent..I don't care who you are...at one time or another you have thought a racist thought. It's what you do/how you act after the thought enters your mind, that matters!

I don't care if the customer is black,white,yellow,brown,red,blue,purple etc....money is green, and that's the only color I care about!

my

playa

sure blame it all to the black man,,,
what makes this excuse any better than a black person saying it was the white man's fault? its simply called economics (maybe you should of bought a ford instead of a toyota),
every major city in the world that has high enemployment will have high crimes..


well you better not live in Atlanta then,,, you will be worrying plenty,,, cuz 95% chance that your boss will be black and maybe worse for you a women


ya what a reliable source,,, Atlanta is ranked number two but according to the census its one of the fastest growing states
http://www.usatoday.com/news/census/ga.htm
well i guess people like to move where all the violence is..

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once again you need some more sensitivity training,,, i suggest watching the whole series of the movie Roots in one day...

GregP

GregP, you probably didn't witness the kind of shit I'm talking about cause you grew up in a predominantly black neighbourhood. I grew up in a middle, and middle upper class white neighbourhoods. I got kicked the shit out of on a regular basis.

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I would say that the neighbourhood at the time was probably 25% black , actually like most of West North York it was very ethnically diverse.
I am not doubting that you had problems , just saying that in Toronto I have not seen much White on Black violence.
I am sure that we would all prefer no violence whatsoever based on skin colour - maby one day - who knows

[Labret]

It is simple logic.

99% of Detroits population is black. Detroit is considered by most to be nothing more than and American version of Beirut. It consistantly ranks in the top 5 in any ranking of worst cities for anything.

After the slaves were freed in the south, they begun to make their way north for jobs etc. Detroit was a rich city, a huge city, the automobile industry was based here... its was one of the largest and fastest growing metro areas of the country. So logically, southern blacks moved north to look for jobs in the auto industry. A MASSIVE migration of blacks came north and begun to invade the city. With that brought a shitload of problems. White people fled to the burbs.

In a little under 30 years, a city of several million affluent white individuals in a filthy rich city has been reduced to the worse city in America.

White people left, and Detroit has been levelled into a ghetto. 30 years. Never has white flight been seen in this magnitude in this country. And it is still happening except now even the black people here are leaving.

Why is it that every major black city is a crime ridden cesspool?

Coincedence? I think not.

Detroit is an experiment. This is what happens when you have a majority black population... like any other ghetto in America.

[Labret]

And I quote from the main page: " Based on 2000 final FBI figures released fall of 2001."

Those arent reliable stats? Right.


You need more than a highschool edjukayshun

And like I said. I do watch Roots. I play it backwards so it has a happy ending.

MrBrian

im not one for racial slurs

BUT, i'd like the naacp to simple die. they are threatening to sue the university here(u of south carolina) because USC wants to raise the average accepted students' average sat score 50 points by the year 2005. the naacp says this is racist because this would cause most of the black applicants to be declined. if thats not slapping yourself in the face, i dont know what is.

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playa

your missing my point,,,if atlanta is rank #2 in crimes then why is it ranked #1 for the fastest growing city? in other words those ranks ain't saying shit,,


that is soo sad man,,,,

Juge

I guess you are continuing the process of slowing changing the word.... that is, if everyone does it with you.

AdultWire

GregP:

I get what you're saying. I've rarely witnessed white on black crime except when I've been the victim. I certainly don't think all white people are racist, or all black people are not. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that there is more *accepted* racism amongst black people than amongst white people & let it be known that I have witnessed black on white violence.

I don't excuse racism, no matter what the source.

Back to my original point though, for a black person, if the word "******" is offensive, I see no compelling reason to use it except to cause offense.. so for the people who insist on using it to make a point, I suggest that the point you're making is that you're raving biggots.

Have I deprived you of something by using the word ****** to affectionately refer to my friends? Yes I have. I suggest you figure out what it is, and why it affects you. (Not YOU personally GregP... haha).

On that note, I don't see myself being productive in this thread anymore.. so that's it for me.

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[Labret]

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Phil21

Adultwire -

One quick point. You say you got the shit kicked out of you 15 years ago when you were a kid due to your color (black). That really and truly sucks, no excuse for it. The fucks that did it should die.

But, fast forward 10 years from then, and guess what was happening to me?

Same damn thing, only the colors were reversed. Not sure if you had guns and such being a major problem back then, but I've had more than a couple guns drawn on me, in both "just seeing what the white boy would do" and "Man, just let me cap his ass so we don't get in trouble for stealing his bike" contexts.

Why has it come full-circle like so? I know not all blacks are like this, but from my enviromental expierence it seems low income (i.e. inner city) blacks seem to be EXTREMELY racist and hostile vs. the white population in the same prediciments. I could be wrong and have blinders on, but I can definitely say that to this day due to that, my heart still beats faster when there is a group older teenage black kids walking down the sidewalk towards me, vs. a group of white kids.

I feel guilty about that, but really when you think about it.. Why should I? It was a result of my enviromental conditioning and expieriences when growing up. I never once had trouble with a group of white kids beating the shit out of me for my bike or whatnot, but had on more than a couple occasions had it happen with the opposite color.

I think I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that in terms of physical safety, blacks have it better nowadays than whites. There are exceptions, and I could be completely off-base, but bear me out. If I get caught in the inner city ghetto here (and it's only fucking Minneapolis), chances are I WILL get messed with. If not physically, at least a hell of a lot of verbal abuse. If you don't believe me, I challenge you to come up here sometime and follow me at a distance.

Now if you went to white surburbia, you may get bad looks, etc. But are you really and truly afraid of a group of white guys kicking your ass? I'm not saying it's uncomfortable, but do you really feel for your safety?

I suppose the argument could be made for if you went to a hick low-income town in the deep south.. Hmm.

It's just fucking stupid how boundries are drawn by race. I fucking hate it. I tend to "discriminate" against people based on attitude now. If you act all ghetto and shit, you can fuck off. Plenty of white boys have the "I'm a hardass thug" bullshit going on too. But if you act intelligently with respect, etc. you can be my friend any day.

Of course, some idiot is going to call me a racist, but that's okay. You seem intelligent and reasonable. I guess I've just always wondered what exactly the fear (other than not being liked) black people always talk about when living with whites in upscale neighborhoods.. I just don't get it.

In fact, maybe my entire post is moot. Perhaps it's just socio-economic conditioning? Argh.

Anyways, something needs to be done to make race not a fucking issue any longer. Plenty of other reasons to hate someone, most of them a hell of a lot better than color. Hate me because I get all the chicks (ha!) or something.

-Phil

AdultWire

I shouldn't be back, but I am.. haha..

Okay.. when you get hit enough times you start to be afraid of whatever hit you. Yes, I've caught myself shying away from "suspicious looking" white guys. But I've not been a target in recent history. Not in this way anyways.

I see racism everyday, and I don't just see racism against black people.. I see it from all angles, and all colors.

But I live in white suburbia. I get dirty looks everytime I leave my house.

I work in the computer industry. I get suspicious looks each time I meet a new client.

I'm a heavy-metal musician. I have to bust my ass a little harder each time I try to book a gig -- well, not anymore. Once I got some big name acts and producers backing me up, all the walls fell.

I don't even really notice or care about this shit much anymore, but my best friend (a white guy) nearly takes a shit every time we go out when he hears how many racist things are said around me on a daily basis.

And every time I hear the word "******", I'm reminded of all of this.

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Oh and as far as doing something to make race boundaries dissapear...

we just all need to fuck each others women until we're all grey.

Problem solved.

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OH BTW, Hick towns, I always get the "I've never seen one of THOSE before" response.. haha.. which doesn't offend me, but it's kinda funny.. I have some stories, but I'll save them for another day.

And that whole guns drawn thing is just shitty. Black people in inner cities are often hostile towards non-blacks. No excuses.. that's gotta stop too. It's all about cross-cultural breeding.

And btw, when you're done fucking someone of each race, go fuck yourself.

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Just a brief story. Make of it what you like.

I was sitting in a bar in a city in California. The bar's customers were 100% white. A black soldier in uniform entered the bar. He ordered a beer and in the process of drinking it he asked the customers at large if someone would be heading in the direction of such and such street. I knew this street to be in a predominantly black neighborhood. No one responded. Having, myself, spent a life time in the military, I told him that I would take him to where he wanted to go. He joined me at the bar and we finished our beers together.

I drove him to the area that he wanted to go and he said I could drop him off at a bar he directed me to. He was on leave and said that alot of his friends would probably be in the bar. I told him that I would come in and have a cold one for the road. He advised me not to enter the bar because I was white and he could not guarantee my safety. I took his advise.

The point of the story is, that he was apparently not afraid to enter a bar in a predominantly white neighborhood, nor a bar that had 100% white customers, but feared for my safety if I entered a bar, filled with blacks.

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dude, you like fucking with me? was there another time? I wouldn't recognize you if I saw you emptying my trash cans. If you ever "fucked" with me I either missed it, or brushed you off for the flea you are. (taking into account your idle threats as well)


No opinions here, that's your game. Everything I've said is fact.
take your dopey "I've argued my facts before and gotten my point across" bullshit somewhere else. you can't dispute the facts, it makes you angry, you pretend to be a tough guy (to no consequence), life sucks, boo hoo.

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I despise that word...... I would rather my kids say fuck you to someone as to use this word. I hate the word, I don't like what it implies, and yes I know that it can be used to describe any race or color, but I still hate it.

I just moved from a county that was ALL White, my kids went to schools where this word was used daily and I hated it. At the time we moved into this hell hole, we had literally no choice but I didn't want my kids raised this way, makes me sick at my stomach just thinking about it.

I judge people by WHO they are and not what color they are and I want my kids to think the same way, if they don't like someone then it is because of who this person is and what they have done to them personally and not by the color of their skin.

I hate racism and think our time could be better spent trying to make a BETTER world for our kids than teaching them to hate. I was raised and had some of the best friends in the world that were of all different nationalities.

The only time I think I have ever even THOUGHT of using this word was when I was working in a factory years ago, there was a Black Lady, and I say lady because she and I ended up to be pretty good friends, but when I first met her she let me know in no uncertain terms that I was not liked by her, I asked her why. She proceeded to let me know that she hated ALL white people because of what they have done to her people........ in which I simply replied "I am almost full blooded Cherokee Indian, what in the hell have MY people done to you?" and walked off......... I turned back and looked at her and she had the strangest look on her face.

Three days later she approached me, and while I was wondering what the hell was going to happen next, she said to me, "I am so sorry to have judged you, I didn't know and it was unfair of me to make that judgement." You have NO idea how good this made me feel and she and I were friends from then on............ but I would be willing to bet that NO ONE had ever even bothered with her before this.

I am not saying I changed the world that day, but I damn sure changed her way of thinking because after this, she was so much easier to get along with and she turned out to be a very sweet lady, she just had "learned behovior" as in her family had raised her to hate........... it was right then that I decided that MY kids are NOT going to be raised like this and I do the very best I can to see to it they don't hate because of skin color.

I have been the target of reverse racism too, but how do you change things by hatered? I don't hate anyone for hating me because I am white. What I DO hate is people who raise their kids to hate based on something so trivial as the color of one's skin. It puts a nasty feeling in my gut.

Tam

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One thing I get tired of people automatically start thinking it's only "hick towns" that racist shit happens in.

Man there isn't a bigger racist town than Los Angeles, California....oops sorry maybe I should have mentioned New York City...2 havens for ultra-liberals...the simple fact is racism is prevalent wherever you go.

And this is in regard to FADE's post about everyone having a racist thought at one time or another.

This is true...I too have had racist thoughts on numerous occasions and felt justified.

But I never was.

Hell growing up here in Texas you hear that word a lot and I in fact used it when I was still a little dumb shit in high school...against a friend.

There is nothing in this life I have regretted more. And hell I probably would have felt a lot better if he had just kicked my ass but all he did was look at me and say..."since you're my friend I'll let that slide."

It's an event I doubt he even thinks of to this day because he had such class...but it's one I think about on numerous occasions.

But that is not what this thread is about...who has done what to who and when...or he who is without sin casting the first stone.

This thread is about whether or not I as a white guy should have the right to call any african-american a ****** for any reason...be it hate or play.

I still say no.

I think the word has it's place in literature, film, plays, art etc. We cannot sweep it under the rug and forget it ever existed...and keep calling it "the n word."

But that is different. In instances like that it is used to provoke thought, teach us lessons, or to shock us out of our fantasy worlds and back into reality.

But it is never right to be used to harm another individual or label an entire population.

I'm not even going to post on this thread anymore because quite honestly...I don't think anyone who needs to start a thread to ask this question deserves a dvd player.

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A list of what if's:

What if you think the color black is ugly?

What if you think big nostrils, thick lips, kinky hair, hi-asses, and slender calves are ugly?

What if you don't like hearing improper english spoken?

What if you don't like hearing the word motherfucker 5 times in a single sentence?

What if you don't like hip-hop or rap "music", baggy clothes, or African dress, or pseudo African names?

What if you don't like gangbangers, drug dealers, and muggers?

What if you don't like having to refer to someone as African Americans when they are not. Only first generation are African Americans.

What if you think all of these things, but you have never insulted, never harmed, nor would you ever intentionally do so. What if over the years you have had many negroid friends, and still do. Does this make one a racist?

orco

Plus all my brothers wanna die, call it euthanasia
Dear Lord, look how sick this ghetto made us, sincerely
yours I'm a thug, the product of a broken home
Everybody's doped up, nigga what you smokin on?
Figure if we high they can train us
but then America fucked up and blamed us
I guess it's cause we black that we targets
My only fear is God, I spit that hard shit
In case you don't know, I let my pump go
Get high and ride for Mutulu like I ride for Geronimo
Down to die, for everything I represent
Meant every word, in my letter to the President

Heavenly Father may I holla at you briefly
I wanna meet the President, but will he meet me?
He's scared to look inside the eyes of a Thug Nigga
We tired of bein scapegoats for this capitalistic drug dealin
How hypocritical is Liberty?
That blind bitch ain't never did shit for me
My history, full of casket and scars
My own black nation at war, whole family behind bars
And they wonder why we scarred, thirteen lookin hard
Sister had a baby as an adolescent, where was God?
Somewhere in the middle of my mind
is a nigga on the tightrope, screamin let him die
Can't lie I'm a thug, drownin in my own blood
Lookin for the reason that my momma's strung out on drugs
Down to die, for everything I represent
Meant every word, in my letter to the President

Blacks is broke, think it's a joke that we livin low?
Y'all sniffin blow and postin what they hittin fo'?
Tell the secretary it's necessary we get paid
Look what you made, little kids gettin sprayed
Day after day, and night after night
Battles and wars to the daylight
We might change and rearrange if you do somethin
Til then we gonna keep it comin, Mr. President
Hehe
And I meant every word in my letter to the President


Oh you'se a baller in the White House,
I hope you comfortable cause yo I spend my nights out,
with the lights out
under the safety of darkness, amongst the crazed and the heartless
and young soul bros, ready to rode a starship
Launch it, leave a nigga flat for scratch, the Godless
I gotta get chips, but you can't understand that
Wanna ban rap? Stand back, before you get hurt
It's the only thing makin pay besides smoke and work
On a mission listen more chips my goal and position
First on my decision I realized the same nigga
Trippin to drastic measures tryin to get stacks of cheddar
Muh'fuckers hate cops, wait it ain't gettin better
But you keep, tellin us, that it is
while your motherfuckin troops keep killin our kids, dig
Don't be surprised if you see us
Dumpin with nuttin but artillery to free us, motherfucker!

[Labret]

That is no shit.

I find it almost the opposite.

All these whiny white guilt lefty pussies largely reside in countries/cities/areas that are largely white. You want racism? Bring your ass to the inner city.

You think black people like you? Think again. Blacks easily harbor 10x times the amount of racial hatred than I have witnessed in any other group. And until you have lived in an area that is predominantly black, I do not want to hear shit. I dont care if you had a neato black roommate from Compton while you were in college or your neighbor is just a swell black guy from Nigeria... you are delusional and full of shit. Not you eros in particular, just an all encompassing indictment to those who think they can use the occasional exception to the rule as some sort of racism barometer for the rest of the world.

You armchair civil rights activists will spout your bullshit but not a single one of you would walk through East Detroit or Compton, alone.

I want someone to name me an American city with a "predominantly" black population that does not have a staggering crime rate.

orco

herbs like you cultivated it

now deal with it

[Labret]

How so? Details please... this ought to be good.

How come every other first generation ethnic group managed to overcome their difficulties and setbacks?

The Irish were originally brought over as slaves but do you see the same thing in Irish communities? (http://www.scoilgaeilge.org/slaves.htm / http://dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu/~yliu/...t/slavery.html)

The list of groups of people that have at one time or another been marginalized within this country by another ethnic group is long.

Unlike people like you like to portray, misery and racism do not, and has not, only afflicted black society.

Blacks like to point the finger a lot yet will take no responsibility for where they have found themselves now. It is no longer 1850... stop whining. And slowly but surely this country is opening their eyes and seeing the bullshit. Affirmative action is being attacked on all sides, race based scholarships and university admissions policies designed to admit underqualified minorities at the expense of qualified applicants are on the way out. Welfare time limits are being cut. The days of handouts are almost over. You are fucked.

Pathfinder

Would someone care to respond to the "What if" list?

spacedog

Hmm...

Hate is wrong

BUT!!

If there was a scholarship for whites only, they'd be called racist!!
but it's different for African Americans though, aint it..

If I organized a white pride parade, I'd be labeled a racist..
but it's ok for African Americans to do it, & they call it Heritage Celebration...


If I apply for a job & test 100% on the exam..
I lose that job to an African American who scored 25%..

My opinion is that too many of these people want SPECIAL TREATMENT!!

[Labret]

To me? No. Just because you dont like certain things about black "culture" does not mean you are a psychotic bigot out to subjegate and destroy the black race.

Lets put it this way, when a black man stands up and proclaims the beauty of his Nubian Queen, the superiority of his blackness, and his desire to only marry within his race, that is considered cultural preference.

If it was a white man said the same thing, he is a racist.

An experiment was done several years ago where a speech by Dr. William Pierce (a white seperatist) was taken and every instance of the word "white" or "aryan" was replaced with the words "black" and "African American".

After the speech was distributed to two different groups of people, the unedited white version was universally denounced as racist. The black version, was never once called racist. It was seen as cultural pride.

So in response... it all depends on who you ask. Would a black guy say you are racist? Oh hell yeah. Would all the pansy lefties on here call you a bigot, damn straight. But are you really? Probably not.

GregP

A list of what if's:

What if you think the color black is ugly?

What if you think big nostrils, thick lips, kinky hair, hi-asses, and slender calves are ugly?

What if you don't like hearing improper english spoken?

What if you don't like hearing the word motherfucker 5 times in a single sentence?

What if you don't like hip-hop or rap "music", baggy clothes, or African dress, or pseudo African names?

What if you don't like gangbangers, drug dealers, and muggers?

What if you don't like having to refer to someone as African Americans when they are not. Only first generation are African Americans.

What if you think all of these things, but you have never insulted, never harmed, nor would you ever intentionally do so. What if over the years you have had many negroid friends, and still do. Does this make one a racist?

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Yep , you are a racist for even thinking such things! If you are a white male you are a racist - at least this is what the media tells us.

TheSpaceBulldog

How dumb are you? If you are going to post soething with my name in it then at least you should get the facts straight.

I am not offended by the word ****** or any other racial word. I am offended by the intentions of the asshole who is using it. The guy who was using the word was doing so in a way that was clearly trying to provoke this sort of response and when he found out that I was black he not only continued but he specifically called me a ****** and then went even further to call me "boy"

Your initial post is all that I have read of this thread and I do not intend to read anymore including any replies to this post.

If he had been a black man and called you all crackers then I would have felt the same way and I would have called his silly ass out over that too.

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there's nothing wrong with the N word. nothing offensive here - it just means black

AaronM

And what does CRAB mean? Ignorant jackass? ****** does not mean black. Get a dictionary.

Bobo

Guys,

You're not seeing the picture as clear. Yes, I agree that the Irish were brought over as slaves or indentured servants as Labret has pointed out. But the difference is that Irish people are white and can easily blend into the wider white society. The same opportunities that were open to them being white were not open to blacks because blacks cannot 'hide' their skin color. The jews are able to do the same thing. Many of us cannot tell a Jew from a Gentile. Therefore comparing the black experience with Irishor any other group doesn't wash well completely.

That said, it must also be made clear that ALL minority (non-white) groups in North America celebrate their own cultural heritiage. The Irish have their St. Patricks Day, the Italians have their festivals and the list goes on. In America, a country which traditionally associated blackness with negativity, blacks have created some of their own ways of celebrating cultural heritage. This is why it is not racist to have a Black Month or a Black Television Network.

As to the "What If" questions. No, you're not a racist if you agree to all of those statements. However, if you turn those 'what ifs' into actions that deliberately hinder blacks for being black than yes, you are a racist.

America has come a long way in a short period of time. Most of the arguments floating around today will probably disappear in another 150 years. In less than 60 years ago blacks were still being burned alive in lynchings across America. In less than 150 years ago you couldn't go into one store and buy a screw for your screwdriver that would be the same as screws from another store across the street. There was no such thing as standardization until William Sellers. What I'm getting at is that the world you see today is very different from the one of yesterday. Race relations are better than ever before and will continue to grow stronger.

TDF

like i said...keep the word out of your pink mouth and you wont get your ass kicked..its easy as American Pie.....p.s. I have white friends!

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Adultwire,

Thanks for the replies. For the record, you sound to be a really fucking cool guy, sounds like you have some good stories to tell a young'in like myself. If you're ever in vegas or something we should grab a beer together or something.

Figures you have to go to a porn webmasters board to have a rational (well, ignore some of the obvious flamebait. :P) discussion about racial issues, without some idiot dropping the "race card" (I hate that phrase).

As for the women fucking thing, hell. You supply 'em, I'll fuck 'em! ;)

And, just to clear up any confusion. I DO know those hick towns exist, I wasn't saying "I've never seen one but...", I know for a fact they exist and have been through them. I myself was scared for my safety just because I had Minnesota fucking liscense plates and I got a few evil-ass looks from the local inbreds. I would hate to be you in a town like that. That's just fucking scary.

So I say we round up all the ghetto black thugs, and the white wanna-be white supremecists and make them part of a nice parking lot somewhere. Or perhaps just lock them in a big football stadium or something together.. Ah...

Anyways, I have a lot of disorganized thoughts about the race topic, not good for a message board. I'll just leave it at what was said.

peace,

-Phil

RedShoe

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I think we can all agree that serial killers are the worst type of predator because they kill for pleasure and have no conscience. Labret check these statistics...

84% of serial killers are WHITE only 16% are black.

http://home.earthlink.net/~phantasmx500/statistics.html

I don't know what this has to do with the subject but, I just don't think your statistics have anything to do with the fact the N word is offensive to a lot of people.


-Mrs. RedShoe

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CRAB

Dude, you dont know what you'r talking about - look it up in the dictionary

[Labret]

Errrr ok. We also commit more white collar crime and cheat on our taxes more, what is the point?

The thread evolved, pay attention.

Anyhow, the stats I posted involved interracial crime and who is more likely to commit a racist crime. According to the census bureau, there are 211,460,626 white people in the United States and 34,658,190 black people, or 12% of the population.

So if 12% of the population is still producing 16% of serial killers, you should find that number alarming. Do you not find it odd that 12% of the population committs the vast majority of crimes based on race... or hate crimes as the lefties likes to call it now?

Of course you do not.

After all, white people have the monopoly on being racists and the bigots.

The stats prove otherwise.