Ratios on average getting worse? - GoFuckYourself.com

kenny · 11-26-2005, 04:36 PM

I mean seriously over the years - are they dropping?

I was use to 1:300 as average back in the day. That progressed tp 1:500, 1:700, now the average looks to be 1:1000.

Anybody got some intake on this?

Oh, and please don't use this thread as a exploit. Example

"Our program is converting better then ever

"

or..

"I am making records sales this week - converision ratios are improving with time"

Dirty F · 11-26-2005, 04:39 PM

Yes.
If you compare normal bannes/textlink clicked traffic now with 5 years ago its very lousy.

Ofcourse you can filter like crazy and end up with 1:50 ratios but thats not the point. 5 years ago i could throw up a banner from whatever site and get steady 1:100 ratios. Now that would easily be 1:1000.

phonesex · 11-26-2005, 04:39 PM

back in 98-99, I was converting 1:75 with Maximumcash. Now my conversions average about 1:750.

Not phone sex though. phone sex converts very well with repeat callers every month for years.

sandman! · 11-26-2005, 04:40 PM

yea ratio's have gone to 1:1000 overall nothing you can do about it will not get better in the end its becoming more of a volume game what you could do with 100k in traffic a few years ago now you need 200k of the same traffic to make the same $$$

tony286 · 11-26-2005, 04:41 PM

I really have seen it this year this is the time sales usually go thru the roof and its very even.

MrJackMeHoff · 11-26-2005, 04:48 PM

1:70 to 1:300 at worst

kenny · 11-26-2005, 04:48 PM

My traffic contunes to grow - but my ratios also decrease. While I'm not losing any money it seems like I should be getting more.

It's not my fault - I market everything right and it's not like you grow worse with experience.

So I wonder why?

Dirty F · 11-26-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrJackMeHoff

1:70 to 1:300 at worst

Were not talking about mailing obviously.

Babagirls · 11-26-2005, 04:51 PM

non se traffic, it looks like 1:1000 is a decent ratio. sad but true.

SmutGiant · 11-26-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Babagirls

non se traffic, it looks like 1:1000 is a decent ratio. sad but true.

Damn.. how do you TGP people make money these days? lol

OldSchoolJim · 11-26-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Babagirls

non se traffic, it looks like 1:1000 is a decent ratio. sad but true.

If the sponsor reports true 1st page clicks....1:900-1K is the norm....

pornguy · 11-26-2005, 04:56 PM

I think that mostly this trend is dues to a few factors.
1. the surfer is smarter.

2. Too much free stuff. And I am not only talking about tgp/freesites. I am talking about HC images in the tours, and the free videos.

SmutGiant · 11-26-2005, 04:57 PM

there are many possible reasons why ratios are declining... maybe what the surfer is looking for has changed... maybe you're not offering what your surfers are looking for... or the surfer has seen it all and/or is satisfied with his 2-3 paysite memberships which give him access to 50 bonus sites... maybe the need to pay for porn isnt as great due to the HUGE amount of free porn out there... i'm sure there are many more possible reasons.

kenny · 11-26-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmutGiant

Damn.. how do you TGP people make money these days? lol

Because the traffic is easier to get.

BTW, I wasn't pointing out a certain type of traffic - I was giving a overall number.

SE traffic that use to convert 1:100 that now converts 1:300 is similar to TGP traffic that use to convert 1:400 but now converts at 1:1200

Doctor Dre · 11-26-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

I think that mostly this trend is dues to a few factors.
1. the surfer is smarter.

2. Too much free stuff. And I am not only talking about tgp/freesites. I am talking about HC images in the tours, and the free videos.

P2P is certainly not helping

kenny · 11-26-2005, 05:06 PM

Do you think it has something to do with computers and the internet becoming more accessible?

I mean 5 years ago not everyone had a computer.. now everyone seems to have one.

kenny · 11-26-2005, 05:08 PM

I mean 5 years ago you could spend over $1000 for a decent desktop - you can get the same one for $400 today - with a free flat screen upgrade or whatever

High Quality · 11-26-2005, 05:11 PM

I hate to say it, but we are always in the 1:500 range. Worst TGP affiliate does 1:1400, best in the 1:100's.

Honestly I started recurcash cuz I too couldn't find a damn sponsor that converted anymore. 1:1000 is a fucken joke if you ask me.

BlackCrayon · 11-26-2005, 05:16 PM

yep, when i started i had a solid 1:50 for my celeb sites for a couple years. now im averaging about 1:800-1000. quick answer why: surfers are smarter, been online longer, know where to find so much free stuff they could never even download it all.

Dirty Dane · 11-26-2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

I think that mostly this trend is dues to a few factors.
1. the surfer is smarter.

2. Too much free stuff. And I am not only talking about tgp/freesites. I am talking about HC images in the tours, and the free videos.

3. There were more cheap trials before, so no wonder ratios were better that way. There are also more connected surfers with percentage less money. Bandwidth is much cheaper, but porn is really not. If the ratio drops 10 times, but number of surfers is multiplied by 20, you should make more money...
And as you also say, surfer is smarter. I have the feeling that its not only affecting how they find find free porn, but the ratios can be affected by the supply of paysites too. They are not that impulsive anymore, and might surf more paysites before they choose which site to signup with and this will give "worser" overall ratios.
So in the end, its not ratios but $$ that counts

bigdog · 11-26-2005, 05:41 PM

i don't have any sponsors that are doing worse then 1:500 but i like to filter traffic at times

Dalai lama · 11-26-2005, 05:42 PM

Ratios are going up, nothing compared too a few years ago

kenny · 11-26-2005, 05:53 PM

It's funny

I was looking at AVS sites and galleries that I've built years ago - the ones I remember doing well. They look like complete shit

But they done their job

Rui · 11-26-2005, 06:37 PM

Yes good ratios overall are harder to achive nowadays than in 2001 for example.

IMHO it passes by effectivly targetting to your visitors, filter them aswell providing them with something different (not talking program wise but the way you "play" with the advertising side of things.

just my 0.02 eurocents

Rui · 11-26-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

3. There were more cheap trials before, so no wonder ratios were better that way. There are also more connected surfers with percentage less money. Bandwidth is much cheaper, but porn is really not. If the ratio drops 10 times, but number of surfers is multiplied by 20, you should make more money...
And as you also say, surfer is smarter. I have the feeling that its not only affecting how they find find free porn, but the ratios can be affected by the supply of paysites too. They are not that impulsive anymore, and might surf more paysites before they choose which site to signup with and this will give "worser" overall ratios.
So in the end, its not ratios but $$ that counts

brilliant post mate, thumbs up

SmutGiant · 11-27-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenny

Do you think it has something to do with computers and the internet becoming more accessible?

I mean 5 years ago not everyone had a computer.. now everyone seems to have one.

I don't see how easier accessibility to the internet would reduce sales. In fact, I think the reason why internet porn blew up is BECAUSE of the fact that it's so easily, and anonymously accessible.

11-26-2005, 04:36 PM	#1
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Ratios on average getting worse? I mean seriously over the years - are they dropping? I was use to 1:300 as average back in the day. That progressed tp 1:500, 1:700, now the average looks to be 1:1000. Anybody got some intake on this? Oh, and please don't use this thread as a exploit. Example "Our program is converting better then ever " or.. "I am making records sales this week - converision ratios are improving with time" __________________ 7

11-26-2005, 04:39 PM	#3
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11-26-2005, 04:40 PM	#4
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	yea ratio's have gone to 1:1000 overall nothing you can do about it will not get better in the end its becoming more of a volume game what you could do with 100k in traffic a few years ago now you need 200k of the same traffic to make the same $$$ __________________ Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]

11-26-2005, 04:48 PM	#6
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11-26-2005, 04:48 PM	#7
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	My traffic contunes to grow - but my ratios also decrease. While I'm not losing any money it seems like I should be getting more. It's not my fault - I market everything right and it's not like you grow worse with experience. So I wonder why? __________________ 7

11-26-2005, 04:39 PM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Yes. If you compare normal bannes/textlink clicked traffic now with 5 years ago its very lousy. Ofcourse you can filter like crazy and end up with 1:50 ratios but thats not the point. 5 years ago i could throw up a banner from whatever site and get steady 1:100 ratios. Now that would easily be 1:1000.

11-26-2005, 04:41 PM	#5
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I really have seen it this year this is the time sales usually go thru the roof and its very even.

11-26-2005, 04:51 PM	#9
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	non se traffic, it looks like 1:1000 is a decent ratio. sad but true. __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

11-26-2005, 04:56 PM	#12
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I think that mostly this trend is dues to a few factors. 1. the surfer is smarter. 2. Too much free stuff. And I am not only talking about tgp/freesites. I am talking about HC images in the tours, and the free videos. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

11-26-2005, 04:57 PM	#13
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	there are many possible reasons why ratios are declining... maybe what the surfer is looking for has changed... maybe you're not offering what your surfers are looking for... or the surfer has seen it all and/or is satisfied with his 2-3 paysite memberships which give him access to 50 bonus sites... maybe the need to pay for porn isnt as great due to the HUGE amount of free porn out there... i'm sure there are many more possible reasons.

11-26-2005, 05:06 PM	#16
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Do you think it has something to do with computers and the internet becoming more accessible? I mean 5 years ago not everyone had a computer.. now everyone seems to have one. __________________ 7

11-26-2005, 05:08 PM	#17
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I mean 5 years ago you could spend over $1000 for a decent desktop - you can get the same one for $400 today - with a free flat screen upgrade or whatever __________________ 7

11-26-2005, 05:11 PM	#18
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	I hate to say it, but we are always in the 1:500 range. Worst TGP affiliate does 1:1400, best in the 1:100's. Honestly I started recurcash cuz I too couldn't find a damn sponsor that converted anymore. 1:1000 is a fucken joke if you ask me. __________________ RecurCash.com - Averaging $38/sale with 60% revshare in the first 4 months alone! Convert your TEEN traffic today @ better than 1:500 guaranteed. ICQ me: 18287590!

11-26-2005, 05:16 PM	#19
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	yep, when i started i had a solid 1:50 for my celeb sites for a couple years. now im averaging about 1:800-1000. quick answer why: surfers are smarter, been online longer, know where to find so much free stuff they could never even download it all. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

11-26-2005, 05:41 PM	#21
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i don't have any sponsors that are doing worse then 1:500 but i like to filter traffic at times

11-26-2005, 05:42 PM	#22
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	Ratios are going up, nothing compared too a few years ago __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

11-26-2005, 05:53 PM	#23
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	It's funny I was looking at AVS sites and galleries that I've built years ago - the ones I remember doing well. They look like complete shit But they done their job __________________ 7

11-26-2005, 06:37 PM	#24
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Yes good ratios overall are harder to achive nowadays than in 2001 for example. IMHO it passes by effectivly targetting to your visitors, filter them aswell providing them with something different (not talking program wise but the way you "play" with the advertising side of things. just my 0.02 eurocents