i'm sure you have your bases covered but it could definitely be more expensive and easily avoided.


it sounds like she is not astute enough to go legal but anything can happen.

5 hours after i made this post, she called me back and was like... okay just cover my nipples with starts or something on the tour, and everything is okay...


the chick is a headcase :2 cents:

You appear incapable of knowing the difference between raising issues and drawing conclusions.

You are so busy trying to miscontrue what I said in a desperate effort to justify your own rationale, that you can't stop for a moment and actually consider what I actually stated.

Was Julia always a stupid bitch flake (etc, etc, etc) to you, or was there ever a time that you had some respect for her as a person?

It's very likely that Julia has much, if any, legal standing. You will in all likelihood make good money off her images if that is all that matters to you.

All I have done in this thread is try to get you to see a different perspective and answer a few questions.

I have a lot more experience than you dealing with models. I'm not sure why you even started this thread if you didn't want anyone to do anything but agree with you.

Back in college I shot some Hustler style pix of a girl who is now a City Council person (not in the City I live in). I could make a bunch of money posting her pix (and probably ruin her career in the process). I have the legal rights to do so, but it's never going to happen. If that makes me Captain Save A Hoe in your eyes, so be it (not that Julia or my former model who is now a City Council person are hoes).

I'm sorry that my words are falling on deaf ears so far. Hopefully you will at least acknowledge that I have refrained from the name calling and what not (and I will continue to do so, cuz that's the kind of guy I am).

ADG Webmaster

Of course.... you do it more subtle like

"hope you don't get whacked before you spend all that money. that would suck"

Much better.

Save it.

Not really, since you skipped some important ones ("What is/was her longterm vested interest in the site? Was she entitled to a share of the profits, or was she just a model for hire? What was her understanding of the deal?).

You could possibly still work things out if you renegotiated an agreement that both of you consider more fair.

You know, if you ever get out of porn you could have a career in politics the way you answer questions without answering them. :upsidedown:

Well, congrats anyway on the 4-year anniversary being with your girlfriend. I trust you demonstrate more empathy in that relationship than you have with Julia. Me? I've been married 26 years, so I know what commitment takes and means.

Nah, I don't expect you to love your solo girl, although some plutonic friendship instead of caring about her like a "random girl" might have helped you avoid some of the fallout from what happened. One reason most models want to work with me repeatedly (I've been shooting several models for years) is that I try to get to know them as people, oh yeah...and I don't hit on them.

Anyway, sorry it didn't work out for you with another solo model again - I meant as a personal/business relationship (obviously you intend to cash in whatever you can on things).

I see you've posted some questions for me, so I'll get to answering them after a refill...

ADG Webmaster

You're good at doing that... keep the blows coming :)


didn't work out? its working out just fine thank you... as i'm sure you know, solo sites don't have to have the girls involvement to function.

i'd name some examples, but i don't want to mention any other programs.. but im sure we can both agree that MANY of the solo girls have flaked/will flake.

That's just one option.

You could offer her a settlement, or come up with a plan to keep up the site only until you recover your actual expenses (add stars on the tour, etc - I've done that before, LOL).

[QUOTE=sonofsam]what about the time i invested?[/QUOTE}

Hopefully you learned something and you won't keep hiring models who don't want to do business with you after a short period of time for whatever reason(s).

Welcome to the adult business...

Spend more time with your girlfriend, and come up with a sound business plan that gets you past the drama you have been dealing with so far.

Rhetorical question - no answer necessary, although do keep in mind that life is not always fair (I imagine that Julia is not thinking it is fair right about now either).

Well, I have work to do still, and this thread isn't paying my bills, so I'll check in later. In the meantime, don't be a hater.

Cheers,

ADG Webmaster

Oopsie...that should have read, "It's very likely that Julia doesn't have much, if any, legal standing".

ADG Webmaster

weve seen from some of your posts when u had problems with steve lightspeed that you're a little neurotic, ever think that maybe its not the model, it's you? food for though.... hey im just playing devil's advocate

That just one option? That's not an option at all.


And offer her a settlement? for fucking what!? it's somehow my fault that she is having a hard time dealing with the fact shes on the net? i explained everything to her before hand... its not my fault shes having a hard time coping with it.

You keep posting as if my business plan fails because she has no involvement in the site.... Newsflash ADG.. MANY MANY MANY solo sites have no involvement of the girls themselves :2 cents:


For example... if a girl flakes from lightspeed... does it mean that he had a bad business plan? no. the numbers speak for themselves and we all know how well those sites do.. with or WITHOUT the girl.

if anyone needs to check their business plan, its you.... You're still processing with IBILL as your only processor.

do i need to compile a list of solo girl sites that have flaked in order to show that its not exactly OUT OF NATURE for solo girls to flake?

lightspeed himself told me, its not a matter of IF they flake, its WHEN..

best piece of advice i have gotten, and i used that and shot 2 years of updates FAST for julia blue, in case of such scenerio..


btw.. the only problem with julia blue is that shes demanding too much money...

would you pay a solo girl 2000/per shoot for softcore solo photography? didn't think so.

From a woman's perspective, I feel sorry for her in a way. But signing a contract is signing a contract, and business is business. The girl knew what she was doing. If she didn't think through it clearly, that is her own fault.

All you can really do in a situation like this (the model) is learn from your mistakes and move on. If she can regret her mistakes and get them to instantly poof, she would never learn. She's young and she probably thought she was having fun. It happens.

That is one of the biggest lessons in life. Learning from your mistakes.

Live & learn. Shit happens. Learn and make yourself better. BLAH BLAH BLAH

What i'm saying is, the girl learned a hard lesson about life. You can't get your mistakes fixed every time just by batting your eyelashes, and in her case, threatening bodily harm. She needs to just move on.


I don't think SonofSam has anything to feel guilty about. She was explained the situation and if she regrets it, then, it's on her shoulders. He has a business to run.

THANK YOU... finally someone with some sense :2 cents:

i've been hitting my keyboard against my head trying to figure out, why Asian diva girls who is a smart webmaster was having such a hard time understanding this.

i sell drugs.

Oddly enough, copyrights and license agreements are in place for remarkably similar reasons.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

One day I will probably shake sonofsam's hand, therefor I would like to pre-emtively say he is a stand up guy and can be trusted.

Holy shit that was some read!

First the finer points of model releases and why they are important. Which by the way sonofsam has pretty much always gone the safe route and used professsionals.

Then if sonofsam says he explained to julia what would happen to her photos and such then trust me he did. If it is not obvious enough already sonofsam is brutally honest with shit. Example, see this thread.

This thread is also not some surprise coming out thread. In case some of you have not been paying attention since he decided to make solo girl sites. He has been posting his issues, troubles, successes, and failures the entire time. It is not like he just suddenly came out and said "fuck her I got two years of updates, so take that bitch for making threats against me".

Now onto regrets by models. Anyone that has shot for any length or time will typically have models who had regrets.
Yes he "could" offer a buy out to the model which would be ok if his site was not built around that model, yet it is. Though even if he did, she would not pay it. If she had that kind of money in the first place odds are she would not of taken up adult modeling for cash.

Seems that some people can not get their minds around the fact that this is business. People often do stuff they would or could latter regret. Not sure why but some people seem to want our business to play by different rules since we deal in adult. See I am pretty damn sure everyone would be telling some person who went to vegas, got a line of credit and gambled their house, savings, and everything else away, tough luck you know what you were getting into when you signed the line of credit. No matter what regrets he may have or having to explain to their loved ones they are now broke and homeless. So why is it any different if you explain to a model these pictures will be viewable by everyone on the internet, here is your 400.00 per day for shooting them. She accepted the deal, knew the risks, and went ahead anyways.

Last little tidbit. Many shooters go out of their way trying to talk a model out of shooting just to be safe. Even then they still may or will end up with models who want out and want everything removed. It happened to me once and when I offered he a buy out (just money I paid her plus photography hourly rate) she balked and then called the cops. Cops ended up siezing all of the pictures and video's as evidence (she claimed she was not paid, and many other excuses). After a quick court case and mediation, I got back all of the content (model release held up just fine), and I also was awarded my counter suit (assorted damages + court and mediation costs). Mediation was also covered in the release. The big nail in her coffin was the recorded release signing and me explaining several times why she may not want to do this and how it will be out there forever.

sonofsam, where was that ghettogaggers cartoon you made. i forgot to save it.
duke

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You really want to get into this again?

to this date, i have done over 25,000 in transactions between webmaster to webmaster.... 5200 of that was buying content from other content producers, and they were all professional as hell.. including World wide content, club x-stream, adult eurocontent and soon Jstyles.... and i havn't had a problem with ANYONE except you. and even then i LOST 4500... its funny how i've done so much business with people now and only had a problem with you huh?

and your model

I admire your perseverance and work ethic, but there's one thing that you haven't learned yet that you really need to learn quickly before it takes a huge bite out of your ass... and that is, learn when to shut up. Having the "last word" is something little kids and immature punks do. Take my advice, it will do you good.

Sly: man i've tried to not talk to him or in any of his threads, and i havn't for a very long time... i just get pissed off when he comes in out of nowhere with a blow like that

i know i know, i should just ignore it :Oh crap

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Search &meta=

To me, 19000+ results for that exact name seems a fairly significant investment by affiliates. :2 cents:

even if it was 200 results, i still wouldn't take the site down... how would affiliates trust me again?

This is what happens when you guys are dealing with little girls who just graduated. They see $$ and don't think of any consequences till later..then when they do realize this is not a good thing if they want to have a normal life and you call them flakey.. I would call most of you predators preying upon the immature and not so worldly little girls for a profit...who is really the flake? The girl who realized she made a huge mistake and wants to fix it..or the person just wanting to line their pockets off the back of another for no regards , care or concern for others...waving your model contract like its a fucking diploma.

AWESOME!!

you should make the soccer ball a basket ball and the guitar a mic. lol

duke

i'm the same age as her, and i am able to understand what a model release is, so then so should she... at 19 years old you're not a retarded person, you are legally already an adult.. and adult should be smart enough to be able to read a piece of paper and understand what it means, and to get it checked out before they do it..

if they can't, then they have bigger problems in life then having their pictures on the net :2 cents:

I understand you expect her to understand the contract and you thought she was mature enough at that age to make life decisions ... but fact is..most are not mature enough or can look into their future..especially when they see $$. If it were your ass all over the net and you made a mistake... I have a feeling that most of you would like the person holding your future in their hands to have a bit of understanding.

I will guarantee you that 75% of the little teenies some of you are pimping will regret it by the time they are 25..sad.

thats gotta be one of the stupidest things ive ever heard anyone say on GFY. quite and accomplishment there.

I guarantee you that 75% of the people that walk into a casino regret it by the time they walk out.

Doesn't make a difference though, people at that age should be smart enough to make the right decisions, and i'm not going to start feeling bad for them to the point of where i let it effect my life.

Of course it's a sad thing, but you know what will also be sad? if i flush all that work down the toilet and completely fuck myself. It's not fair that some people suggest i do that, when it's not me who made the mistake of getting involved in something that they'll later regret.

The casino won't give your money back "out of the kindness of your heart"

so why should I ?

I only read page 1 and 4, to much to read. But I've been in a similar situation.... save your threating messages and make sure your attorney has a copy of all correspondences :2 cents:

man this is the best post i have read in a while

Im not asking you to do anything or expecting you to..just stating my opinion on the situation in general.

why, because it doesnt agree with what your opinon is. Don't think I am the only one with this opinion ..thats for sure.

ps. If this is the stupidest thing you have ever read on GFY them I must say , you havent read much on here :1orglaugh

post pics

this is a business, if these 'naive little girls' can't understand that then they should never of gotten involved in the first place. sonofsam can't be held for another persons stupidity. its not his fault she isn't mature. should models be given an IQ and maturity test before shots? girls can be stupid, and they will never learn unless they learn the hard way. life can be full of regrets. there are a lot of things i regret doing but i would never expect those things to be 'wished away' or however you want to put it. life is hard, shes needs to get a fucking helmet.

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