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My affiliates I bend over backwords for, always have always will. I said if I was in this situation I would not be going public with all of it. There is a reason we do not run solo girl sites, we have enough headaches as it is. And look around, not many people post the day to day lives of what's going on with their models on the boards. At the end of the day you do what's best for your business. So what you are saying is be honest to the webmasters, and lie to the end users, the people who actually pay both of our bills? Send e mails from her even though it's not her, in your world in what you are saying the site should say "we have 2 years of updates and that's it." What about the joins and recurring memberships that are going to fall off in 2 years once the updates stop? The main thing that makes solo sites attractive is how good they retain. Isn't retention going to fall off drastically in 2 years where there are no more updates? How is that looking out for the webmasters? or partners? |
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Too often GFY is like a boy's club, and at it's worst, like a good old boy's club.
Once in awhile it is worth trying to see things from the perspective of others. The reality is that 99% of the models that I have worked with (and I've worked with hundreds of models), have no problem whatsoever with the work that they have done while working for me. In those few occasions when someone has expressed regrets, I have tried to understand things from their perspective, while also trying to get them to understand the impact that pulling their content has on my business. Certainly, operating solo model sites is a precarious proposition since if the model bails, that has a much bigger impact on your bottom line than if you are operating a multi-model site. As I noted earlier, I took down my first solo model site due to a falling out with the model. I have few regrets for doing so, and feel confident that I made the correct decision under the circumstances (sometimes you need to know when to fold 'em). In another instance, I had a solo model who shot some hardcore content early on, but before it was released asked me not to post it. What a dilemna. Over the nearly three years that she was active on the site, she had several thousand sign-ups. I guarantee you that I would probably have easily made $100,000 extra if I released that content, but instead I still make lots of money in residual income from that site (even thought the site has not been updated in a few years), and more importantly I still have a good friend, who for her part in our joint venture, was able to pay for a new car, get braces on her teeth (I talked her out of fake boobs), and paid for college - she is now a nurse. I'm not telling SoS what to do. He has to make his own decisions. I certainly don't know all the facts in his case. The only reason I spoke up is because I figured that most people would jump on the "she signed the contract, so fuck her" bandwagon, and there are other ways to deal with this issue. As he is batting zero for two, operating solo sites may not be the kind of work SoS is best cut out for. There are other areas in adult or mainstream that he may excel at. Hopefully he learned more from this experience than simply shoot as much content as possible upfront and then you don't have to give a shit about the model afterwards. I have genuinely cared about nearly everyone that I have worked with, and I am glad that I can count many of the models I have worked with as dear and loyal friends to this day. The money I have made is great, but the friendships are priceless. ADG Webmaster |
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Everything else you said I respect. In 2 years retention is going to fall whether he tells webmasters or not. Why not prepare them for it...let them decide whether to stay on...instead of bringing them along for the ride. |
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So we agree to disagree. Simple for me, just do not touch solo girl sites. It's a tough call, I was not at all bashing SoS, but was just making my point in our discussion. This is an always changing industry so you must always be on top of it plain and simple. As far as model releases and contracts go, make sure you get it done right, consult with people, and have a lawyer always look them over. You will not regret in in the long run. As I have said I have had many contracts come across my desk that people leave theyselves wide open on and make it easy to fuck them over if you wanted to. Nice discussion everyone, if only it could happen here more often. |
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I wasn't aware if you did solo or not but I'm gonna check out your site portfolio now. |
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Sounds good, we are doing a lot of changes, feel free to contact me on icq at 703 032. Won't mention them here as I do not want to thread jack |
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night all. |
if ha has contracs then ha contracts trump your contract.
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Could be wrong, but I was presuming that SoS did not always think that Julia Blue was a "dumb bitch". Anyway, I don't know that Julia flaked out on SoS. I am guessing that there is much more to this story than is being presented. In any case, it sounds like she is the one that is taking the hit here, not SoS - since he has indicated that he intends to milk her/his site for as much as he can until he runs out of content. Afterall, that is the GFY hairy-chested manly thing to do... :winkwink: http://caughtinthexfire.mu.nu/archiv...airy_chest.jpg I just hope he doesn't get whacked before he spends all the money. That would suck. I guess at least he will have been whacked standing up for a principle ("she signed the release"), so he will be remembered on GFY as a stand-up guy. ADG Webmaster |
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Traffic Rank for sexfeeder.com: 87,279 but regardless if the alexa rank is 1 million, or 100... the fact is people put time into making freesites and other promotional material.. and what does that say of me if i don't defend their hard work? as the program owner, it is my responsiblity to make sure i don't fuck my affiliates around. Quote:
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Since my model flaked, that means i conned her into doing it? the fact that shes a teenager, doesn't mean shit. shes the same age as me... its not like she couldn't read the model release or listen to what i told her. Quote:
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i made that username up as a joke for all the webmasters who POST as their solo girls on the forums. Could NOT make it any more obvious. |
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and btw.. i'm not worried about hells angels coming after me.. want to know why? because people who actually know anybody, do not namedrop them like that, they would get slapped in the head. and here you go.... something i made for you. http://www.adultforum.ca/pics/ADG.JPG |
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god how evil i am... going over the model release with her and explaining everything that would happen. |
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If you're going to try and rationalize, than at least try and do so rationally.
Honestly, you missed most of my points... Did you once care about Julia as a person, instead of simply as a means to enrich yourself? If so, then what went wrong (especially so quickly)? What is/was her longterm vested interest in the site? Was she entitled to a share of the profits, or was she just a model for hire? What was her understanding of the deal? That could be what is at the crux of the issue. You have taken what I wrote out of context and as an attack on you when I was simply trying to open things up for a debate, instead of having this be a "bash the model who is not here to defend herself session". Since you acknowledge posting under the juliablue fake nick, would you be opposed to her coming onto GFY and sharing her perspective? Believe it or not, a lot can be learned about business ethics, solo model sites, sponsor/affiliate relationships and many other pertinent issues, in such an open discussion. I think if you read back at what I actually wrote as opposed to how you are interpreting what I wrote, than you will see that I made no specific attack on you. It's possible that you are in the right. I was simply trying to stimulate discourse on this since I pointed out that I also have firsthand experience with situations such as what you are dealing with, however I found acceptable alternative methods for resolving them amicably for all. On the otherhand, maybe you did screw Julia (figuratively, not literally - although I don't know about that either), in which case you might want to re-examine your own actions/attitudes, or at least not repeat the same mistakes. ADG Webmaster |
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"i hope he doesn't get whacked before he spends the money. that would suck" yah, i'm sure it wasn't a personal attack... get fucking real. It has become clear to me, that you take your relationships too far with your models... business is business and pleasure is pleasure... apparently you have let them get mixed, and now its starting to cloud your thinking... listen to yourself. You're suggesting i take down the site, out of the goodness of my heart.. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT? I HAVE A MODEL RELEASE. I EXPLAINED EVERYTHING TO HER BEFORE HAND. because she has a change of heart i'm supposed to FUCK MYSELF, and FUCK MY AFFILIATES? Hey ADG.. out of the goodness of your heart, send me all the money i have invested in her site, and pay me for all the time/sweat and headache i have put into her site... and then i'll take it down... okay... out of the goodness of your heart you should do this... be captain save a hoe. get real. |
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lol that drawing made me spit my starbucks all over the screen. good one SoS.
And I dont think you're doing anything wrong at all. She signed the release forms, she knew it was coming. |
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You're no better than the very people who are trying to bring us as an industry down. A group of wacked out religious people decide that they're against porn, so everyone should be against it. If you want to talk morals, destroy all your content, take your site offline, get a job as a minister, then you might be qualified to talk about morals. Until then, you're on the same level as the rest of us, so don't think for one fucking second that you're not. |
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So you want to get real. Answer the real questions I posed to you instead of ducking them all of the time: Did you once care about Julia as a person, instead of simply as a means to enrich yourself? If so, then what went wrong (especially so quickly)? What is/was her longterm vested interest in the site? Was she entitled to a share of the profits, or was she just a model for hire? What was her understanding of the deal? If you were in her position, do you think you could possibly feel the same way she does? Since you acknowledge posting under the juliablue fake nick, would you be opposed to her coming onto GFY and sharing her perspective? Please invite Julia to provide her input. ADG Webmaster |
AsianDivaGirls: you should make a reality show like Dog the bounty hunter, and you can go around saving talent
you can like kick down studio doors in your cape, and use your magnet hands or whatever to suck the cameras and vid cameras to you.. and then you can lecture everyone in the facility that filming teenagers is wrong... because at the age of 19 they are too handicapped to read a model release and understand the risks of shooting adult content. |
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The agreement was 400/shoot... thats IT. the she fucked around sometimes and demanded 600/shoot (when i was still in need of content) and i was forced to pay it... or else i wouldn't have 2 years of updates... then she started demanding 2000/shoot for SOLO SOFTCORE NO-TOYS content... thats when shit went downhill If i was in her possition? I'm not. Opposed to her coming onto gfy? why the fuck would i care? like i give a fuck.... if you havn't noticed... i'm more honest then i should be. (i.e. telling everyone that shes flaked) Invite her here? i am hoping not to talk to the girl ever again.. last night/today was my 4 year anniversary with my girlfriend, and fighting on the phone with her so much made me in such a bad mood it ended up fucking up our evening. answer those questions well enough for you ? |
now that i've answered your questions.. answer this
Why do you feel that even though she signed a model release i should take the site down out of the kindness of my heart? what about the money i invested? what about the time i invested? what about the stress and headache of launching a program and dealing with site bullshit? what am i gonna do once the site is down? and why is it fair that i completely fuck myself over like that because a model "changed her mind" ??? not everyone is as RICH as you and can afford to completely demolish their business because a girl is indecisive. |
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you'll also hold the record for most publicly posted stuff that will haunt you if she does end up trying to stop you and you have to explain every single word here to a judge btw...
it's just a chatboard right? btw we captured pornchatboard.com see banner: http://www.evanradio.com/picslink/pddwbigban.gif |
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