I believe what Webgurl was trying to say is that if the contract and model release with the model is not perfect that it can be picked apart in court. I have seen many contracts in my time come across my desk that were laughable how badly they were put together and written. People leave themselves very unprotected, and those things can be exploited.

As far as bringing the loss of the model here, I find that to be a bad choice. This already lets webmasters know that there is no possibility of fan signs, custom themed content, live cam shows for members and many other things. Not to mention that soon the content will run out.

:2 cents:

Sounds like either the contracts weren't that solid or the judge fucked up. In which case you can appeal.

You didn't prove anything. Any American lawyer in an American court room would eat the case up on behalf of the webmaster.

Tyson Beckford....Tyson fucking Beckford. You know the face of Ralph Lauren? The most recent face of Sean John....highest paid male model?

Ya well that guy and all his money (MILLIONS) went after Playgirl because of their plans to publish pictures of him in his earlier years.

GUess what happened? Playgirl presented model release forms, which was provided to them by the original photographer almost 10 years back. After 10years the model release form still held up and Tyson's case was thrown out.


Where's Steve Lightspeed when you need him.

if you have a strong contract not written by a newbie on sale attorney you would most likely win , but thats what i am saying but face it ... not all of you can afford to pay the big bucks to have a fully legit professional attorney to write you a powerful contract between you and your talent and more importantly defend you when in need . This is EXACTLY what i mean by loopholes , if you think it's only in the movies than you are a true fool :2 cents:

He has 2 years of content and hes an ethical person. Good for him.

Ring...

[Disgruntled Model] Hi daddy!
[dad] Uh...hi! Long time no talk! Where have you been?
[DM] Sorry dad, I was like busy shooting a film.
[dad] I knew that all this money spent on acting classes would pay off some day. So, hollywood bound yet?
[DM] Well, that's like really what I'm calling about like. See, I had like a nude scene and...
[dad] nude scene
[DM] Well, there was like more than one and I'd like to like buy them back.
[dad] This isn't one of them porn sites is it?
[DM] ...*sob*
[dad] What's the url
[DM] It's www.meatcurtain...
[dad] Oh! I'm seeing it now! *fap fap fap* Oh yeaaaaaaaaah!
[DM] DAD!!!!!
[dad] Oh! You know where to get a fleshlight?

You are correct. If you have a shitty contract it can get ripped to pieces. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. :-)

You've never saw his model release forms, or the contract, so you cannot be 100% sure. There are many things that must be included on a model release form.

OK for the record.....I have seen 5 page model release forms. But I have also seen 1 page release forms....from big mainstream photographers, agencys, and ad agencys.

btw, i didn't mean the fool comment on you , was addressing it to the person who stated loopholes
in contracts are only in the movies .
DOn't worry Sly i still luv you :thumbsup

Yeah 2 years that's a good thing. Just saying I would not post on a board joking about losing the model that I am hoping affiliates will push so I can profit. With so many teen sites out there now any negative attention can be bad.

Two cases you know of of thousands.

Yep. You're right though. Models get judges to break legaly binding contracts allllll the time. :1orglaugh

I said that loopholes are something you see in movies. YOU VERY RARELY see them in real life. Can you read? do you need a reading assistant to what i wrote?

here is where u are sooooo wrong , loopholes are everywhere in REAL LIFE .
maybe i need reading lessons but you need a reality check ...

yeah and you're also forgetting incidents like this happens on
a daily basis and gets reported on GFY . :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You better watch it bitch!

;-)

http://www.jobogames.com/stock/p789d.jpg
ok.

The extent of your legal knowledge. :1orglaugh

"There's a sucker born every minute".

- PT Barnum

http://www.authentichistory.com/audi..._barnum_02.jpg

So the moral of the story is that if you can befriend and then con some wide-eyed teenager into doing something that she soon after regrets, and you can make money doing so, then that makes it right.

I agree, it's business, it's just not how I do business.

ADG Webmaster

ATTENTION ALL PROGRAM OWNERS: Most of your release forms are no good! Repeat NO GOOD! ALL YOUR CONTENT IS SUBJECT TO SEIZURE! So everyone who has done porn and now regret its can SUE!

This is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. Its definately bed time.

I'll be sure to give this thread a bump in the morning for a few laughs. Night all.

Well according to you all I need is to get a girl to sign a napkin saying anything he shoots is his to do with whatever he sees fit, and that's a perfect model release form.

and 50

All she's saying is if you don't have the proper verbage, you could be in trouble. Really, is she wrong?

you realize that some webmaster is going to read this and send you a fake fan mail saying exactly this statement :winkwink:

This post is wrong .
Sorry you misunderstood what my point was .
Bottom line is ,
These contracts will help you but not in all cases save you . :2 cents:

model release forms when done right usually can't be challenged in court. Usually the only disputable thing is whether the model actually signed the release, or whether it was forged. Everyone remember the Cameron Diaz case?

(1) Can you define 'pictures'? Is it a photo? For print? Is digital imagery 'pictures'? Are reproductions included in that definition? Copies? What about photo altering? Was the definition spelled out to the model? Can you prove it?

(2) These 'pictures' were published on a website described as 'cum slurping whores'. Did the model realize her likeness would be used in such a derogatory manner? Where did she agree to that? This sounds like libel, sir... (this argument has actually won in trial before...and it wasn't even porn. A modeling agency sold photos to a magazine, who published it in an acceptable manner. However, in the facing page, completely unrelated to the photograph, was an article on 'teenage prostitution'. It was argued and won that the implication was the model was one such prostitute, and she won on libel.)

(3) These photos 'belong to' you? Can you define that term? 'Belong to' does not imply ownership, simply possession. Do you have the right to reassign rights to others? Who else works on that site? If it's not solely operated by you, how do your associates have the right to use these pictures? Where did the model agree that the use of these pictures was not restricted to your personal possession? Since you are selling memberships, are you not technically selling rights to these photos? I see nowhere in your contract that grants you these rights.

(4) Pursuant to 2257, you are required to list all names and/or pseudonyms ever used by the model. Where was the collection of this data?

(5) Can you prove 'good and valuable consideration'? Under some laws, failure to do so could negate the contract.

(6) Was the model under the influence of alcohol, drugs or medicines that may have impaired her decision making capabilities?

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I did want to illustrate that even the most straight-forward legal document can contain 'loopholes' or counter-arguments that could cause headaches...

If young is prelaw and says all that is needed is a signature on a napkin he may want to consider a different profession.

Either that, or he is not well versed in what is needed to have a proper model release form.

Also keep in mind that we have no idea what was stated in the contract he has with Julia, there are always clauses for many issues that may arise. I know every contract we have out there right now we have an out at anytime if anything does arise that may affect our biz.

Excellent post , but to the person you are addressing it to , according to him

No she is right...but her argument changed as the thread got deeper and deeper.

Anybody who doesnt get a lawyer to draft up a release form is a moron.

Yes I would agree on this one . :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks for stating this AdultMegaCash :thumbsup

It is clear you still don't know what is going on . :winkwink:

hahaha OK...about the napkin. Are contracts drafted up on Napkins legal and enforciable. YES! Should you guys have taken my 20 second draft of a contract literally....no. Its fucking 3am give me a break..i was proven a point.

AdultMegaCash you maybe should find a new career if you are going to decieve your affiliates and not tell them the truth. Seriously...business ethics 101 buddy.

WebGurl...I didn't mean to internet fight with you.

And for the record. Anyone who doesn't get a model release form drafter up by a lawyer is a moron.

http://www.apogeephoto.com/mag4-6/adultlon.htm

No loopholes there webgurl. thats the point i was trying to make.

I don't think it changed. I think she wasn't clear originally. As she continued to post, it became more clear what she had always been saying.

Oh please, give me a fucking break. Go hang out with Donovan Phillips with that pussy fucking attitude.

He never said he was friends with her. He never conned her. She knew what she was getting into. Internet porn sites are nothing new, this girl knew what the outcome was going to be. You make it sound like he did something wrong. How is some dumb bitch flaking out on him bad business? Stop trying to sound like you're some kind of fucking saint.

Your napkin thing proved a bad point, a contract like that would not hold up in court for the simple fact that a model release requires a lot more information.


How exactly do I decieve my affiliates?

Sly that is fair. But when someone says "Model Release Form" I am assuming you have a legitimate "Model Release Form" which has all aspects covered. No model and no amount of money is going to challenge a contract with all aspects covered.

There.....affiliates should be considered as partners.

before telling me to go find a new career maybe you should re-examine yourself.

How much for those sets? :1orglaugh

I totally agree that contracts drafted on napkins are legal and binding, but I think you actually proved opposite your point...with all intended and due respect. :)

Young , there are lots of people in this business that don't know what they're doing .
Do not "assume" anything. You are dealing with a bunch of amateurs here and I am not talking about the talents .
Having proper model release forms and having all aspects covered (not likely) to happen . :2 cents: