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maxjohan · 12-31-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Batts

Who do they think they are, they remind me of food critics, complete wankers.

What gives them them the right to call themselves a reviewer, what is there some sort of porn school that they go to, to class themselves as a reviewer.

This below statement is taken from www.thebestporn.com

If you like em young, innocent, and somewhat expensive!"

(+) Cute innocent looking amateur girl.
(+) Nice sized pics.
(-) Too much softcore.
(-) Too expensive.

I wont mention the site, but the site is a huge site and one of the best sites out there, what gives them the right to say that there is to much softcore, thats what the members want, they dont want to see 10 dicks rammed up her butt, so why is that a negative.

Then they said that the site was to expensive, again, what gives them the right to say that, the site is $ 29.95 per month and you get access to 15 other sites in their network and the content is exclusive, if it was up to me i would be charging $ 99.00 per month.

Do these clowns know how much it cost to produce content or better still how much it cost to market a big network of sites.

Seriously I don't understand how those review sites get any traffic. It's the same boring review again and again. Where is the humor?

Í guess it works, but with a good copywriter they could increase their revenue by 100%.

widget · 12-31-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

Price point is a business strategy, and has nothing to do with cost of the product.

Go ask Crystal Klein if it was cheap to shoot her content...
http://crystalklein.thebestporn.com/ - $14.95/mo

How about Blue Nudes, ever heard of them? very exclusive!!
http://bluenudes.thebestporn.com/ - $14.95/mo

Ok, let's look at the content available for $15/mo..

Crystal Klein
87+ Photo Shoots (avg. 60 pics each)
32+ Video Shoots (approx. 6 min. each)

Blue Nudes
116+ Photo Shoots (avg. 30 pics each)
6+ Videos (approx. 3 min. each)

Seems like a site with double the content above, but priced at $30/mo gets stuck with an 'expensive tag'. Yet a site with half the content at half the price is a bargain. That doesn't seem right to me.

Shap · 12-31-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rankscom

We love twistys!!
http://twistys.thebestporn.com/

Right on the mark too Shap! For the most part we hear retention is lower than avg. I'm surprised we don't get moved from PPC to revshare more often. It makes sense since review sites attract more savvy buyers.

But that doesn't mean review sites can't retain well. Example, Videobox's avg retention is 4 months from our site. But it's rare to find those type of rebills.

Shap, you got mail! I definitely want to meetup at Internext!

You rock Rick! I've been wanting to meet for many years and can't wait til Vegas

I think review sites are probably one of the few areas of our industry where price is a MAJOR MAJOR factor. That has to be a major reason for Videobox's retention.

I believe it is near impossible for an industry veteran to put aside everything they've learnt and review a paysite as a surfer. What I believe is key to The Best Porn is each site is reviewed by 4 people. I'm guessing the reviews are read by each other afterwards and that has to help the reviewers stay in the surfer mindset.

Not to buff butts but when it comes to review sites The Best Porn is the best there is. From day 1 I knew it was going to be huge (with Rick as the founder any industry old timer knew it was going to KICK ASS). Great Job Rick

Shap · 12-31-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by widget

Ok, let's look at the content available for $15/mo..

Crystal Klein
87+ Photo Shoots (avg. 60 pics each)
32+ Video Shoots (approx. 6 min. each)

Blue Nudes
116+ Photo Shoots (avg. 30 pics each)
6+ Videos (approx. 3 min. each)

Seems like a site with double the content above, but priced at $30/mo gets stuck with an 'expensive tag'. Yet a site with half the content at half the price is a bargain. That doesn't seem right to me.

There is a reason for that. You have to look at the purchasing power of your money. That is what I did when we started Twistys. I knew Danni.com was the Queen of the glamour market. Her site was high quality and KICK ASS and it was $19.95. Was I going to start a new site and charge $19.95? HELL NO. I want to give the surfer a good deal whether they know it or not. I waited until we hit a certain level of content before increasing to $19.95. And the same with when we increased to $24.95.

Now you say a site with double the content (so 200 photo shoots and 12 videos) for $30 is labelled expensive? DAMN STRAIGHT it is. Why? Because you have Twistys at $24.95 that has 680,000 pics, 1500 models and 16,000 video clips. We update more in one month than that site has total. So do you still think $30 for that site is not expensive? It's about the purchasing power of the surfer's money. He might not know Twistys when he joins the $30 site. However once he finds Twistys he'll definitely never go back to the other site and he'll definitely feel that $30 for that site is EXPENSIVE.

widget · 12-31-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

Now you say a site with double the content (so 200 photo shoots and 12 videos) for $30 is labelled expensive? DAMN STRAIGHT it is.

No argument here...200 sets of content and 12 videos at $30/mo is overpriced. So 100 sets of content and 6 videos at $15/mo is also overpriced. It is not a bargain.

baddog · 12-31-2005, 11:37 AM

Personally, when I was actively keeping my review site up, I would concentrate on the positive as I was trying to make sales.

However, if a site is crap that can be tough, and every once in a while there has to be a sacrificial lamb so your readers don't think you give every site an A+ rating.

Shap · 12-31-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by widget

No argument here...200 sets of content and 12 videos at $30/mo is overpriced. So 100 sets of content and 6 videos at $15/mo is also overpriced. It is not a bargain.

No argument from me on that. I still can't believe single model sites at $29.95 when they have a fraction of what we have to offer.

I think it depends on whether you compare $14.95 to other $14.95 sites or if you compare what you get at $14.95 to what you get at $24.95. For example a honda civic and bmw could both be well priced even at very
different price points. The civic could be perceived as over price for the performance and quality compared to the bmw. However when comparing to other cars at that price it's not expensive.

rankscom · 12-31-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by christianrod30

I have no doubt your review site is the best in bizz. Your traffic is terrific. But for shemales, I think you should have a reviewer that really knows the subject. It is not a complain it is a fact.

As a shemale expert (almost 10 years in the bizz - first as producer then as site owner) I tried to give my personal feeling in my review site. If you read carefully all reviews you will notice they are close to the reality of user's feeling and shemale fans.

Some pay sites really sucks and are well rated in site reviews since they belong to cash programs and u know that. This is the bizz. I am not complaining. Just showing the reality.

It is difficult to somebody who does not like the content or is not a shemale fan to write about he/she does not know very much.

Happy 2006!

Happy 2006 also!!

You have a point. There's no doubt that one of our weaknesses is targeted reviewers. It's a choice we made from the beginning to stick with the same reviewers across the board to try and maintain consistent scoring. We may launch separate sites in the future that target specific niches (with targeted reviewers).

Don't discount our honesty and independence though. Abby Winters pays less than any other program we have, and she's rated #2 overall. Most of our top 20 sites are filled with revshare programs. If we were biased based on high PPS, you wouldn't see Top Bucks, Plat Bucks, Silver Cash, etc rated as low as they are.

pornguy · 12-31-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by grumpy

doesnt matter if its your site or not. The statement is still the same.

Who the fuck are you telling them they cant or can review a site or your site!

maybe you should read to.

If that is the way they make the statments about the sites that they review. then dont give them a password. they can enjoy reviewing the tour pages. And if they really want in, they can put up the cash, or shut up.

Far-L · 12-31-2005, 11:58 AM

We love the traffic from Best Porn and the other review sites, and though we have amazing reviews on some, like Pam's for example, on others it is not the case. BestPorn gave us a review that really was not too positive in several respects but I have to say they send some of the best converting traffic we have - under 1:100 last time I looked.

We are a high priced site and got slammed for it by BP but it has not made a bit of difference. Not too many out there do what we do as far as video updates are concerned or the type of content we have.

I agree with Pam and Rick though that all it takes if you have an issue is getting in touch and politely pointing out where the reviewers might have missed something important and ask for reconsideration.

Michaelious · 12-31-2005, 11:58 AM

yep complete wankers

rankscom · 12-31-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by widget

Seems like a site with double the content above, but priced at $30/mo gets stuck with an 'expensive tag'. Yet a site with half the content at half the price is a bargain. That doesn't seem right to me.

Amount of content is always subjective. We have sites like Hustler, Vivid, Download Pass, Videobox etc at $10/mo., and they have tons of content. Even more than most sites priced $30/mo or higher. Our final scores are based on many factors, not just price. However, if a site does cost $30 or higher, it's common for the editors to note it as "expensive" in the con. Doesn't mean the site isn't worth it, but just notes that it's on the higher end of the price spectrum. I know most webmasters here are used to programs where $30-$40/mo seems regular... but from our perspective we're seeing a lot more sites, especially the higher quality sites with prices in the $20/mo range, even less. Regardless of our bullet points, the final score is what matters most and we try to rank sites the best we know how. We're not perfect, but we get great results and feedback from our users.

rankscom · 12-31-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

You rock Rick! I've been wanting to meet for many years and can't wait til Vegas

I think review sites are probably one of the few areas of our industry where price is a MAJOR MAJOR factor. That has to be a major reason for Videobox's retention.

I believe it is near impossible for an industry veteran to put aside everything they've learnt and review a paysite as a surfer. What I believe is key to The Best Porn is each site is reviewed by 4 people. I'm guessing the reviews are read by each other afterwards and that has to help the reviewers stay in the surfer mindset.

Not to buff butts but when it comes to review sites The Best Porn is the best there is. From day 1 I knew it was going to be huge (with Rick as the founder any industry old timer knew it was going to KICK ASS). Great Job Rick

Can't wait Shap!!

Thanks for the nice comments man. There's been a lot of comments in this thread about "over-detailed" reviews being worthless, and I totally agree that we've gone overboard. Our official reviews take a rediculous amount of work/time, and most surfers only browse the scores, site facts, and bullet points. What's important though is for us to write the long reviews to explain in detail how we came to the conclusion we did. Surfers can see we put a lot of work into our scores (credibility is #1 to us)... but even if it was just for the site owners benefit (to get full explanations) and "google", it's worth it to us.

Reviewing from a "surfer" perspective is definitely the biggest challenge any review site has. Many ask why or when we'll incorporate surfer comments/reviews... the simple answer to that is hopefully summer 2006.

rankscom · 12-31-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

We love the traffic from Best Porn and the other review sites, and though we have amazing reviews on some, like Pam's for example, on others it is not the case. BestPorn gave us a review that really was not too positive in several respects but I have to say they send some of the best converting traffic we have - under 1:100 last time I looked.

Love you too man!!!

I'd love to sit down with you and talk about your members area. You have a gold mine with your content, and what a challenge you have to organize it. I don't have all the answers, but I might be able to help you get a new perspective. See ya in Vegas dude!!!

Varius · 12-31-2005, 12:38 PM

I didn't read all the way through, so hopefully this wasn't already suggested...but here's a crazy idea:

Review the Reviewers!

As in, launch a site whose goal is to offer reviews on all the review sites around, how you rate their reviewers/objectivity/content/quality/etc/etc....

Have fun

rankscom · 12-31-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Review the Reviewers!

As in, launch a site whose goal is to offer reviews on all the review sites around, how you rate their reviewers/objectivity/content/quality/etc/etc....

Have fun

Here's the only such site so far:
http://www.pornreports.com/reviewers.htm

No real monetary benefit for such a review site, but it would be cool to see more!

SirRodney_Mike · 02-07-2006, 10:19 AM

Hello all; I'm Mike, the new editor for the review site Sir Rodney, the sister of Booble.com. I read as many of these replies as I had time for. Here are my brief thoughts on some of the highlights posted here amongst a myriad of verbal wanking between reviewer and producer.

1) Its true that it's easier to sell someone else's content rather than make and market one's own. I know, as I have owned and operated several adult sites for years now and could barely pay the overhead of getting head with the income. I also received a few mediocre reviews and know the feeling. This in conjunction with the occasional phone call from the police or some girl?s father makes filming the porn a somewhat risky and thankless job. However, it can be assumed that if you take the time to produce an enjoyable experience with the consumer in mind, the review sites will recognize this!

2) It takes nothing special to be a critic and simply doing it makes you one. There's really not much to it. There are over 150 noted review sites at present and they all say about the same things about the same sites. Large networks have raised the bar for quality and both reviewers and surfers have come to expect these higher production levels. As a result, lesser independent sites pale in comparison. This leads to surfers thinking your material is sub par and reviewers believing you don't care simply because you don't have $100,000 budget to build a site and produce content with. As an editor (and reviewer), I try to remember this and am working on revisiting some smaller sites that I feel were dealt an unfair hand.

3) A review site is your friend, not your enemy! A porn site has one or two relevant pages that get search engine traffic. A large review site has a 1000 pages. With a staff of 5 or even 10 people, a site such as Sir Rodney has someone working on SEO and advertising every day. In addition, without speaking for anyone else, Sir Rodney spends over one million dollars per year in advertising to consumers. It can go without saying that no individual site has this kind of budget. We send lesser sites much more traffic than they could ever get by swapping banners or paying for clicks. Even sites which receive poor reviews make money! Without giving specific examples (which I could) sites with bad reviews make several hundred dollars monthly from our nearly 2 million monthly viewers. This is money in a webmaster's pocket for just doing his or her job. Lastly, in keeping the consumer in mind, we tell our readers what to expect. With so many dishonest web sites offering stolen or third rate leased material, being reviewed with more than one sentence (rip off - scam - don't visit) is somewhat of a compliment. A good critique takes 1-2 hours of time, plus the membership fee as we rarely ask for a password, adds up to probably $75 spent reviewing your site!

In summary - I'm sure these well thought out words have managed to offend someone in some way - probably someone that read one sentance - total - and took it out of context. To everyone else, thanks for taking the time.

If you would like your site reviewed, or an existing review revised - please contact me directly. We do now require recip's.
Mike - sirrodney.com

12-31-2005, 11:58 AM	#110
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,065	We love the traffic from Best Porn and the other review sites, and though we have amazing reviews on some, like Pam's for example, on others it is not the case. BestPorn gave us a review that really was not too positive in several respects but I have to say they send some of the best converting traffic we have - under 1:100 last time I looked. We are a high priced site and got slammed for it by BP but it has not made a bit of difference. Not too many out there do what we do as far as video updates are concerned or the type of content we have. I agree with Pam and Rick though that all it takes if you have an issue is getting in touch and politely pointing out where the reviewers might have missed something important and ask for reconsideration. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

12-31-2005, 11:58 AM	#111
Michaelious Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,720	yep complete wankers __________________

12-31-2005, 12:38 PM	#115
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	I didn't read all the way through, so hopefully this wasn't already suggested...but here's a crazy idea: Review the Reviewers! As in, launch a site whose goal is to offer reviews on all the review sites around, how you rate their reviewers/objectivity/content/quality/etc/etc.... Have fun __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

02-07-2006, 10:19 AM	#117
SirRodney_Mike Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1	Just 2 pence from Sir Rodney for both sides Hello all; I'm Mike, the new editor for the review site Sir Rodney, the sister of Booble.com. I read as many of these replies as I had time for. Here are my brief thoughts on some of the highlights posted here amongst a myriad of verbal wanking between reviewer and producer. 1) Its true that it's easier to sell someone else's content rather than make and market one's own. I know, as I have owned and operated several adult sites for years now and could barely pay the overhead of getting head with the income. I also received a few mediocre reviews and know the feeling. This in conjunction with the occasional phone call from the police or some girl?s father makes filming the porn a somewhat risky and thankless job. However, it can be assumed that if you take the time to produce an enjoyable experience with the consumer in mind, the review sites will recognize this! 2) It takes nothing special to be a critic and simply doing it makes you one. There's really not much to it. There are over 150 noted review sites at present and they all say about the same things about the same sites. Large networks have raised the bar for quality and both reviewers and surfers have come to expect these higher production levels. As a result, lesser independent sites pale in comparison. This leads to surfers thinking your material is sub par and reviewers believing you don't care simply because you don't have $100,000 budget to build a site and produce content with. As an editor (and reviewer), I try to remember this and am working on revisiting some smaller sites that I feel were dealt an unfair hand. 3) A review site is your friend, not your enemy! A porn site has one or two relevant pages that get search engine traffic. A large review site has a 1000 pages. With a staff of 5 or even 10 people, a site such as Sir Rodney has someone working on SEO and advertising every day. In addition, without speaking for anyone else, Sir Rodney spends over one million dollars per year in advertising to consumers. It can go without saying that no individual site has this kind of budget. We send lesser sites much more traffic than they could ever get by swapping banners or paying for clicks. Even sites which receive poor reviews make money! Without giving specific examples (which I could) sites with bad reviews make several hundred dollars monthly from our nearly 2 million monthly viewers. This is money in a webmaster's pocket for just doing his or her job. Lastly, in keeping the consumer in mind, we tell our readers what to expect. With so many dishonest web sites offering stolen or third rate leased material, being reviewed with more than one sentence (rip off - scam - don't visit) is somewhat of a compliment. A good critique takes 1-2 hours of time, plus the membership fee as we rarely ask for a password, adds up to probably $75 spent reviewing your site! In summary - I'm sure these well thought out words have managed to offend someone in some way - probably someone that read one sentance - total - and took it out of context. To everyone else, thanks for taking the time. If you would like your site reviewed, or an existing review revised - please contact me directly. We do now require recip's. Mike - sirrodney.com

12-31-2005, 11:37 AM	#106
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Personally, when I was actively keeping my review site up, I would concentrate on the positive as I was trying to make sales. However, if a site is crap that can be tough, and every once in a while there has to be a sacrificial lamb so your readers don't think you give every site an A+ rating.