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woj · 10-21-2005, 09:04 PM

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jojojo · 10-21-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

you're an seo expert but you can't make money? ok then. you should be making good money if not great money and if you're not you are not qualified to teach things you don't know well enough about.

I've explained this many times. I sold all my sites years ago and have been doing consulting teaching FOR people for a while now. I am currently working on my own sites and once they are doing well I won't be teaching anymore. I have posted here many times to get students and have taught many people now - all happy.

Pleasurepays · 10-21-2005, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Yes thats why I posted this - kind of hard to pay people back without $$ to do so.. I posted about this in last FAQ entry

call me crazy... but how can you be a search engine expert and be broke?

edit: guess i am not the only one who found that to be a little comical.

Screaming · 10-21-2005, 11:24 PM

Has anyone here paid this guy?

jojojo · 10-21-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming

Has anyone here paid this guy?

read the replies from happy students.. plenty of testimonials in this thread.

96ukssob · 10-22-2005, 12:00 AM

damn, did you make any money yet?

instead of people paying me, i just offer my services for free

Right.... link exchanges maybe, or ah, someone to tell me how to make one of my 100 shitty websites convert would work too :P

96ukssob · 10-22-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

call me crazy... but how can you be a search engine expert and be broke?

edit: guess i am not the only one who found that to be a little comical.

ahh, there are TONS of places looking to hire people with SEO skills. Six figure here in LA, dunno in BC tho.

Expected_Man · 10-22-2005, 12:15 AM

Listen to me dude, don't talk about ranking a site first in 90 days and not expect people to bitch at you, sanbox???? do you kno what is that???
haha idiot

Hardlinks · 10-22-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Expected_Man

Listen to me dude, don't talk about ranking a site first in 90 days and not expect people to bitch at you, sanbox???? do you kno what is that???
haha idiot

Simple to avoid, begin with an existing "older" site. That should go without saying.

Also..he has stated many times its for msn and yahoo...there is no such thing as a sandbox when working with them.

Chaldoray · 10-22-2005, 12:34 AM

This guy has been begging me for the past months to get his class for $1000.00. I avoided it, because if he was a true SEO guy, he wouldn't be begging for work. Top SEO experts are making big $$$$ and they don't have time to teach people. They never beg for work, clients go to them, it sounds very fishy, and sounds like he is unsagacious.

96ukssob · 10-22-2005, 12:47 AM

IMO this is what I see a lot (but not meaning this guy is, but who knows...)

Situation #1
Someone just went to Barnes and Nobles and bought a large coffee and picked up SEO for Dummies and read the first 3 chapters. Immedately, they become and "SEO Expert" and pay to join wmw and post about their extreme seo knowledge and how you should cram your site with meta tags and tons of links.

Situation #2
someone has a site reg'd for a few years, and decides to make some simple changes they saw on a forum. add some alt tags, title tags and what do you konw, they are now ranked for some BS. instantly, they quit their job working at burger king and drop their resume to all teh seo firms within a 30 mile radius

Situation #3 (my favorite)
you know a friend, or someone did some seo work for your site. you see what the chages are, and then think you can get people to pay you for those. post all over the net and pay $200 bucks for a shitty website saying you are an "SEO Expert" and "SEO Certified"

I see this crap all the time. i get phone calls and emails from "SEO Firms" wanting to seo my sites. here is the simple truth... I DONT HAVE TIME TO DO MY OWN SITES, FUCK OFF

Anyone can be an seo expert because there is no certification. the only half ass attempt at an seo test is from www.expertrating.com Ive actually had clients ask "are you seo certified?" because shitheads claim they are.

My FREE SEO GUIDE (not really free)

1. read SEO for Dummies (good book actually)
2. Read Google Hacks
3. Start making chages to your own site and see if they work

SEO forums IMO are junk (most of them) because they are all people who just read one book, or glazed over another forum.

anyway, im going to drink now!

Troels · 10-22-2005, 12:58 AM

Yahoo and MSN is fairly easy to spam. Especially MSN.
Google is harder. At least through unconventional methods.
We just lost 50k google traffic in 24 hours :/
Maybe jojojo took it from us!

96ukssob · 10-22-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Troels

Yahoo and MSN is fairly easy to spam. Especially MSN.
Google is harder. At least through unconventional methods.
We just lost 50k google traffic in 24 hours :/
Maybe jojojo took it from us!

Thats because MSN & Yahoo dont care about reg time, unlike google. Google should because they do 80% of web traffic everyday (i.e. google, aol, askjeeves, blah blah blah)

you can also pay to be in yahoo's results (SHHHHHH

) look around, im sure you will find out where to send your money. Google on the other hand, not a chance.

Trax · 10-22-2005, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

none of the people posting negative things about me haave anything to do with teaching:

one I owe money to for some old ass link brokerage deal I did - where he said just pay me later when we make more sales from this... and now I
m not financially as well off as I used to be relying only on teaching/consulting and slow building up my own sites again... and the other is regarding my own sites which I am currently working on and had contacted xxxjay prior to posting this thread letting him now I had now got to his sites (as I had done 15+ deals) and he apparently read this post before reading his icq... he will reply on here later and clear this up...

Playa-Deak: What exactly is it that you want to accomplish? Whatever it is - you would be best learning how to do it yourself then do it... rather than pay an seo to do it for you - your dollars will go much further this way. As I said everyone I have taught is happy - I deliver - I do teach - I do spend the time - I do answer icqs etc to answer questions and look at sites - and provide them with trades from lots of high pr sites... and also as proven above my results speak for themselves. I have top 10 spots for highly competitive keywords... hit me up on icq if you would like to speak to a few satisfied students

um yeah... Yes I said I don't need the fucking money right away because its fucking 500 bucks. but how long was that in the past now
6 months or even a year?
did you think I was putting up links for free?
don't write about me like that... seriously
old ass links ... you gotto be kidding me

96ukssob · 10-22-2005, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

um yeah... Yes I said I don't need the fucking money right away because its fucking 500 bucks. but how long was that in the past now
6 months or even a year?
did you think I was putting up links for free?
don't write about me like that... seriously
old ass links ... you gotto be kidding me

In your defense, anyone can use some extra money. I just had to pay an insane amount to fly my girl back and forth for a family emergancy on the other side of the country. Then, I have to shell out a ton of cash for her to rent a car and all. needless to day, even tho i make a bit of lo0t, i could use an extra bump in the bank

jojojo · 10-22-2005, 12:30 PM

tons of haters on this board.

I have top 10 spots - some I have had for years.

I have many happy students I have taught and many references.

Hit me up

pocketkangaroo · 10-22-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elitetec

Uhm i paid this guy $500 and he got me a site to pr7 and alexa in the 300,000's and i made my money back in 2 weeks, i dont think talking to you can give me a marginal cost of more than $500

I don't care about the SEO services for sale but I call bullshit on the PR7 domain. I don't think you have a clue how hard it is to get to a PR7, especially in adult (where PR is capped). Would love to see this site, but have a feeling it won't be shown.

Chaldoray · 10-22-2005, 02:32 PM

We're haters, because you can't make money yourself with seo. You're begging people for money, so you can teach them SEO. Make some sense you clown!

lchaim · 10-22-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Yes thats why I posted this - kind of hard to pay people back without $$ to do so.. I posted about this in last FAQ entry

a BROKE SEO?

come on man, at least smooth out the scam lines here, think it through

think

it

through

jojojo · 10-22-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaldoray

We're haters, because you can't make money yourself with seo. You're begging people for money, so you can teach them SEO. Make some sense you clown!

I'm a clown? You are the one that has charged people to do work for them claiming you can get their sites high in the SE's and then came to me to teach you. Pursuing you and offering you deals isn't begging - I'm just following up on my sales leads call it what you want.

For the last comment - let me reiterate a few things:

1. I have examples of top ranked sites for very competitive terms - ie: #1 for handjobs.
2. I have testimonials from happy students I have taught posted in this thread and lots of references.

The reality is that whoever hires me to teach them will be happy and they are taking advantage of a great opportunity. I definitely know how to get top spots and I won't be offering these services for much longer. I have taken everyone's advice and I am working on my own sites.

So lets cut the shit. My results speak for themselves and I have plenty of references I can provide - is that how scammers operate? get real. take advantage of my knowledge while you still can.

BucksMania · 10-22-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pubenemy

If you were so good at SEO you should have easily made enough money to pay off the people you owe.

exactly!
everyone really good at SEO will never need to make money by teaching other people....

jojojo · 10-22-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BucksMania

exactly!
everyone really good at SEO will never need to make money by teaching other people....

um hello? I have top ten spots - they are posted in this thread like #1 in Yahoo for handjobs etc...the question of whether I am GOOD at seo or not should not be in question.

The reason I teach it is because consulting/teaching has been my only income since I sold my sites a few years ago and got lazy and decided to consult - now I only teach because this way clients are guaranteed an ROI and everything doesnt hinge on 1 site's success.

The content of what I teach is well worth the price - ask any of my students and do the math.

Nysus · 10-23-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gasper

for jojojo. He's a good guy, delivers what he promises.

No, he does NOT deliver what he promises. And he's a bullshit artist at getting himself more time, which then he won't follow through on.

And Jojojo, you better pay ME first before you pay anyone else, that's just really fucking scummy otherwise.

And not all your debts are SEO related?? Your debts are already in 5 digits with "people" and high 4 digits of that that I know of (just under 5 digits) are SEO related; you have more debt than that? That's scary and bad.

WiredGuy knows more detail likely than any client Jojojo will ever get or hear; people can scam some, and not scam others. So far, he's scamming me and also owes Trax money; and as WiredGuy I believe said, is using new clients to pay off old debts ---

Actually, I haven't seen a penny, so he's not paying off debts.

So, please do continue to be his clients, so if in the past 10 months [yes, that long I have given him since he should have contractually given me my money back] he hasn't saved up enough to pay me, then at least I'll know collection's agency will have things to take from him.

He messaged me on the 21st telling me to message him. Him messaging me means nothing though, as he's done so before and said he'd pay me back before.

If I haven't received the first payment that I'm requesting from him [giving him a few multiple payments still] by the 28th (October 28th, this coming Friday; it's currently Sunday) then I'll start my process.

Jojojo he / you will pay up, whether I end up with a computer / anything with value which is sold by court order or not pay, is his decision; 8+ months of LEEWAY TIME is plenty of time especially with all of these "happy" clients posting; it's not hard to figure out, or even for me to have asked them what they've paid you.

1) I haven't been paid. It's been far too long; PAY ME or a collection's agency will be coming.

2) You've breached and broken our contract multiple times, and didn't perform along the terms of our contract, which seal you from speaking about it.

3) Trax still hasn't been paid

4) It's obvious that you're bringing in the money to be able to pay people back.

5) You're lucky you haven't fucked over some mobster guy or you would probably be worrying a lot more, or maybe would actually have paid them money owed.

Actually, I will give you a call now to let you know I am waiting for you to message me.

Matt

Nysus · 10-23-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

um hello? I have top ten spots - they are posted in this thread like #1 in Yahoo for handjobs etc...the question of whether I am GOOD at seo or not should not be in question.

The reason I teach it is because consulting/teaching has been my only income since I sold my sites a few years ago and got lazy and decided to consult - now I only teach because this way clients are guaranteed an ROI and everything doesnt hinge on 1 site's success.

The content of what I teach is well worth the price - ask any of my students and do the math.

You know Mike, this is great information for knowing you're bringing in money, and purposefully not paying off debts to show your wilfully not paying back money owed which is causing increasing damages as you don't pay.

Matt

jojojo · 10-23-2005, 10:35 PM

Time to clear this fucking shit up.

#1 yes I owe trax $500 for something non seo related - he said don't worry pay me later when we do more biz - we never did. He has asked me for the money and had requested a special form of delivery. Then changed it to another kind... I will be paying him back as soon as I have $$ in my epass account.

#2 Stupid me I decided to sign your fucking bullshit contract which gives you absolute power over the entire deal. Regardless of the performance of the project which had limited success. I don't now and won't be able to pay you the amount you are talking about by the specific time.

#3 The income I get from teaching people pays my bills and other debts I haven't been in a position to pay the amount in question.

At the end of the day you will get your money one way or the other because of your bs fucking contract.

#4 All of my students are very happy and the information is well worth it.

So really you have just posted this here to try and bash me and make me out to be a scammer but you can't... you see its real simple:

1. I have top ten spots right now.
2. Everyone I have taught is happy.
3. Everyone who has paid me for teaching has been taught.
4. The price of my course is well worth the money.

I am not a scammer - I have a few disappointed clients like you and an old debt - trax.

Again this is another reason I only teach the information how to get top rankings now - so I don't have to deal with this fucking bullshit anymore. You take the info and go build 10+ sites - some will do well and you will make $$ - I won't have to be dragged to court because the project wasn't 100% success.

Deej · 10-23-2005, 11:53 PM

I can do better

bdld · 10-24-2005, 12:41 AM

all of the lessons can easily be found on any SEO site.

uno · 10-24-2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

At the end of the day you will get your money one way or the other because of your bs fucking contract.

You wouldn't have paid your debt to him if he didn't have a contract?

Jace · 10-24-2005, 04:12 AM

jesus christ, i can't believe people fall for this dudes shit time after time!

xxxjay · 10-24-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

jesus christ, i can't believe people fall for this dudes shit time after time!

hEY jO - did you get around to those other 4 domains yet?

WiredGuy · 10-24-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

#2 Stupid me I decided to sign your fucking bullshit contract which gives you absolute power over the entire deal. Regardless of the performance of the project which had limited success. I don't now and won't be able to pay you the amount you are talking about by the specific time.

Why did you sign it then?
WG

Chaldoray · 10-24-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Why did you sign it then?
WG

He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money.

Nysus · 10-24-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Time to clear this fucking shit up.

I always thought your shit we've / I've had to deal with has been quite clear.

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Originally Posted by jojojo

#1 yes I owe trax $500 for something non seo related - he said don't worry pay me later when we do more biz - we never did. He has asked me for the money and had requested a special form of delivery. Then changed it to another kind... I will be paying him back as soon as I have $$ in my epass account.

As far as I know it was you buying links from his sites? That would build link popularity, no? Link popularity is apart of SEO, unless you don't consider it to be, which you can't actually do. STOP LYING / bullshitting.

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Originally Posted by jojojo

#2 Stupid me I decided to sign your fucking bullshit contract which gives you absolute power over the entire deal. Regardless of the performance of the project which had limited success. I don't now and won't be able to pay you the amount you are talking about by the specific time.

Absolute power over the entire deal; yes, it's called a safety-net, and is the point of a contract --- you shouldn't have signed it if you thought it was 'fucking bullshit' and since you did, and the 'performance of the project which had limited success' [which gave you 6 months of time (I wanted 3 months) which you stated at the time you'd be comfortable and easily be able to accomplish / succeed / perform -- So your #2 reply is fucking bullshit to quote you. BTW, THREE MORE MONTHS on top of the 8+ that you've had to save up money to pay me back?

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Originally Posted by jojojo

#3 The income I get from teaching people pays my bills and other debts I haven't been in a position to pay the amount in question.

You haven't even attempted to save up even $1 a day to return the money. And to pay bills and OTHER DEBTS? So, you just stated you do have money, which contradicts basically everything you've said.

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Originally Posted by jojojo

At the end of the day you will get your money one way or the other because of your bs fucking contract.

"Why did you sign it then?" - WiredGuy
"You wouldn't have paid your debt to him if he didn't have a contract?" - uno

And Chaldoray seems to have the answer... with, "He obviously needed the money. People will sign anything to receive money."

And obviously, you don't sign something at the time if you think it is bullshit.

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Originally Posted by jojojo

...
I am not a scammer - I have a few disappointed clients like you and an old debt - trax.
...

Disappointed client? You've had my money (high 4 digits) for ~18 months now, and have been bullshitting me this whole time along to give you more time. That's scamming to me.

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Again this is another reason I only teach the information how to get top rankings now - so I don't have to deal with this fucking bullshit anymore. You take the info and go build 10+ sites - some will do well and you will make $$ - I won't have to be dragged to court because the project wasn't 100% success.

Not 100% success? It's more around about a 3-4% success give or take 1-2% error margin on my estimate; so the fucking bullshit was created by you.

There are always ways to pay someone back - what do you own of value? Sell things and give me the money; I may agree to receiving a lesser amount from you depending on how quickly the money would be returned.

Okay, well, he just stated he has no assets [BS, because he's typing on a computer, living someone, is likely sitting on a chair and has a desk, and at least one lightbulb, etc.] and continues to breach the contract, and once again admitted to me on ICQ that he's breached the contract, and in here alone also mentioned his 'performance was limited' and that I'm basically an unsatisfied customer [you owe me a lot of money].

I guess time will tell what happens, and no, I don't plan on keeping GFY up-to-date, though people can message me and if I have the time or feel like it, I'll respond. ICQ 129060301 or email [email protected]

Matt

jojojo · 10-24-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nysus

and no, I don't plan on keeping GFY up-to-date, though people can message me and if I have the time or feel like it,

Nice to see you come and post this after our conversation - what do you call this post then? sounds to me like you are keeping them up to date...

I don't know why you would go and post this - it's easier for me to get clients and pay you back if you DON'T post negative shit about me.

You all know how anal retentive Nysus is

As I said I have a few disappointed clients and I owe trax money for a brokerage deal I arranged.

Again this is why I only teach now.

All of my students are happy.

I have not scammed any students - everyone that has paid me has been taught.

Does what I teach work? well I have top ten spots including #1 for handjobs so you decide for yourself.

Is the information I teach worth $1000? well if you have got se traffic before then you know the answer is HELL YES... if you have never got se traffic before then let me tell you that with my teaching if you apply it you can make several thousand per month np.

Hit me up on ICQ to learn this before I don't have to whore my brain out anymore. I will provide you with many happy references of students

Krille · 10-24-2005, 06:04 PM

bump for the suckers who pays a broke "seo"

Nysus · 10-24-2005, 06:11 PM

Yes, please do give Jojojo money so he has assets / money to pay me back.

And I told you I was going to post, our conversation interrupted my post -- that had mostly been written out already.

And calling me anything isn't a good idea --- and talking with you really means nothing, until I actually have my money back.

And, "your students are happy", congrats, you could end up having to declare bankruptcy if I come after you for the money you owe and damages because everyone / I / you know I would win because you've admitted to everything, even on the board; I don't think that's even entered your mind the consequences you could end up putting yourself into, and once again I'm purely telling you this based on possible situations and to hopefully make you realize what you could end up doing to your own financial / life situation; and no, I'm personally not even the one who even thought about you declaring bankruptcy because you'd not be able to pay / would have everything taken from you [or whatever you have, or say you don't have], so please don't try and state again that I'm trying to intimidate you.

It's simply just not smart to have debts, and especially to not pay them, and even more so to take a long time before even starting to pay them.

And I still hope to hear from you tomorrow as you said you would in the conclusion to our discussion on ICQ.

Matt

gornyhuy · 10-24-2005, 06:13 PM

Your explanation that you teach because you don't want 1/10 dissatisfied SEO clients yelling at you is bullshit. If you really knew SEO you'd be doing it FOR YOURSELF and raking in so much fucking affiliate income that these meager debts would be paid off long ago.

seeric · 10-24-2005, 06:15 PM

my only question is, if you are so good at it, why aren't you making a sizeable revenue stream instread of showing others how to make money that could be yours?

webgurl · 10-24-2005, 06:22 PM

Hey jojojo want to give me a free lesson ? I'll verify that you are legit ;)

jojojo · 10-24-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Your explanation that you teach because you don't want 1/10 dissatisfied SEO clients yelling at you is bullshit. If you really knew SEO you'd be doing it FOR YOURSELF and raking in so much fucking affiliate income that these meager debts would be paid off long ago.

I have already explained I sold all my sites long ago I have lots of my own domains I am working on now and once they are making money I won't HAVE TO teach anymore.

I have top ten spots including #1 spots the issue of whether or not I am good at seo shouldn't be in question.

I have many happy students - some of which are now seeing results.

Hit me up and take advantage of my knowledge while I still HAVE TO whore my brain out for a living.

PrivateEye · 10-24-2005, 07:28 PM

Could you please post the new links you are working on ?

lazycash · 10-24-2005, 07:28 PM

I understand you wanting to drum up some new biz, but don't you realize how insulting it is to post soliciting business on the same board that you owe multiple people money? Also, try dropping your inflated fees and you'll get a lot more work and have some income coming in.

jojojo · 10-25-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I understand you wanting to drum up some new biz, but don't you realize how insulting it is to post soliciting business on the same board that you owe multiple people money? Also, try dropping your inflated fees and you'll get a lot more work and have some income coming in.

well the person I owe $500 too will be paid as soon as I get $$ in my epass since that is the method they requested - the other debt is very large and I am currently dealing with it with the other party offline on icq making arrangements etc thanks to the stupid ass contract I agreed to.

Inflated fees? I think I am undercharging for my classes considering most people if they use the information will make several thousand per month.

Dion · 10-25-2005, 12:22 PM

you guys are basically saying, "why become a teacher of anything, you could be making more money knowing what you know than teaching others"

some people choose to do both

not hard to understand. so you have a few bad clients, i wonder how many bad clients microsoft has LOL

not to mention sometimes business deals do not work out. this is not the shoppping channel, you do not get a 30 day money back guarantee. I mean come on guys, aren't you smart enough to be able to play with what you can afford to lose with out whineing over it?

jojojo · 10-25-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

you guys are basically saying, "why become a teacher of anything, you could be making more money knowing what you know than teaching others"

some people choose to do both

not hard to understand. so you have a few bad clients, i wonder how many bad clients microsoft has LOL

not to mention sometimes business deals do not work out. this is not the shoppping channel, you do not get a 30 day money back guarantee. I mean come on guys, aren't you smart enough to be able to play with what you can afford to lose with out whineing over it?

thanks for seeing the logic... I definitely have more happy clients vs pissed off ones.

and everyone I have taught is happy.

I don't see why its so hard to fathom that I am sick of being responsible for people's rankings when they give me one site to work on... now that I teach it people can make 10 sites and SOME will work and they will make an ROI... isn't that the most important thing - that they make an ROI on their investment and they are happy? I think teaching is a win win situation for all.

JMM · 10-25-2005, 12:51 PM

Fuck it..I will give it a shot, why not.

I will pay Trax the $500 you owe him right now and you give me package #1, the $1000 package.

Deal?

jojojo · 10-25-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Fuck it..I will give it a shot, why not.

I will pay Trax the $500 you owe him right now and you give me package #1, the $1000 package.

Deal?

Deal. ICQing you now to make arrangements.

JMM · 10-25-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jojojo

Deal. ICQing you now to make arrangements.

Cool.

Trax, please ICQ me with your paypal info.

Trax · 10-25-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Cool.

Trax, please ICQ me with your paypal info.

sent you a paypal addy

T

JMM · 10-25-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trax

sent you a paypal addy

T

How did you send it? I don't have an email or icq from you.

jeff AT sunupmedia DOT com

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96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	damn, did you make any money yet? instead of people paying me, i just offer my services for free Right.... link exchanges maybe, or ah, someone to tell me how to make one of my 100 shitty websites convert would work too :P __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

10-22-2005, 12:47 AM	#61
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	IMO this is what I see a lot (but not meaning this guy is, but who knows...) Situation #1 Someone just went to Barnes and Nobles and bought a large coffee and picked up SEO for Dummies and read the first 3 chapters. Immedately, they become and "SEO Expert" and pay to join wmw and post about their extreme seo knowledge and how you should cram your site with meta tags and tons of links. Situation #2 someone has a site reg'd for a few years, and decides to make some simple changes they saw on a forum. add some alt tags, title tags and what do you konw, they are now ranked for some BS. instantly, they quit their job working at burger king and drop their resume to all teh seo firms within a 30 mile radius Situation #3 (my favorite) you know a friend, or someone did some seo work for your site. you see what the chages are, and then think you can get people to pay you for those. post all over the net and pay $200 bucks for a shitty website saying you are an "SEO Expert" and "SEO Certified" I see this crap all the time. i get phone calls and emails from "SEO Firms" wanting to seo my sites. here is the simple truth... I DONT HAVE TIME TO DO MY OWN SITES, FUCK OFF Anyone can be an seo expert because there is no certification. the only half ass attempt at an seo test is from www.expertrating.com Ive actually had clients ask "are you seo certified?" because shitheads claim they are. My FREE SEO GUIDE (not really free) 1. read SEO for Dummies (good book actually) 2. Read Google Hacks 3. Start making chages to your own site and see if they work SEO forums IMO are junk (most of them) because they are all people who just read one book, or glazed over another forum. anyway, im going to drink now! __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

10-22-2005, 12:30 PM	#66
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	tons of haters on this board. I have top 10 spots - some I have had for years. I have many happy students I have taught and many references. Hit me up __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

10-22-2005, 12:15 AM	#58
Expected_Man Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 2,015	Listen to me dude, don't talk about ranking a site first in 90 days and not expect people to bitch at you, sanbox???? do you kno what is that??? haha idiot

10-22-2005, 12:34 AM	#60
Chaldoray Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,868	This guy has been begging me for the past months to get his class for $1000.00. I avoided it, because if he was a true SEO guy, he wouldn't be begging for work. Top SEO experts are making big $$$$ and they don't have time to teach people. They never beg for work, clients go to them, it sounds very fishy, and sounds like he is unsagacious.

10-22-2005, 12:58 AM	#62
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Yahoo and MSN is fairly easy to spam. Especially MSN. Google is harder. At least through unconventional methods. We just lost 50k google traffic in 24 hours :/ Maybe jojojo took it from us!

10-22-2005, 02:32 PM	#68
Chaldoray Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,868	We're haters, because you can't make money yourself with seo. You're begging people for money, so you can teach them SEO. Make some sense you clown!

10-23-2005, 10:35 PM	#75
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	Time to clear this fucking shit up. #1 yes I owe trax $500 for something non seo related - he said don't worry pay me later when we do more biz - we never did. He has asked me for the money and had requested a special form of delivery. Then changed it to another kind... I will be paying him back as soon as I have $$ in my epass account. #2 Stupid me I decided to sign your fucking bullshit contract which gives you absolute power over the entire deal. Regardless of the performance of the project which had limited success. I don't now and won't be able to pay you the amount you are talking about by the specific time. #3 The income I get from teaching people pays my bills and other debts I haven't been in a position to pay the amount in question. At the end of the day you will get your money one way or the other because of your bs fucking contract. #4 All of my students are very happy and the information is well worth it. So really you have just posted this here to try and bash me and make me out to be a scammer but you can't... you see its real simple: 1. I have top ten spots right now. 2. Everyone I have taught is happy. 3. Everyone who has paid me for teaching has been taught. 4. The price of my course is well worth the money. I am not a scammer - I have a few disappointed clients like you and an old debt - trax. Again this is another reason I only teach the information how to get top rankings now - so I don't have to deal with this fucking bullshit anymore. You take the info and go build 10+ sites - some will do well and you will make $$ - I won't have to be dragged to court because the project wasn't 100% success. __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

10-23-2005, 11:53 PM	#76
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	I can do better __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

10-24-2005, 12:41 AM	#77
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	all of the lessons can easily be found on any SEO site.

10-24-2005, 04:12 AM	#79
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	jesus christ, i can't believe people fall for this dudes shit time after time!

10-24-2005, 06:04 PM	#85
Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	bump for the suckers who pays a broke "seo"

10-24-2005, 06:11 PM	#86
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Yes, please do give Jojojo money so he has assets / money to pay me back. And I told you I was going to post, our conversation interrupted my post -- that had mostly been written out already. And calling me anything isn't a good idea --- and talking with you really means nothing, until I actually have my money back. And, "your students are happy", congrats, you could end up having to declare bankruptcy if I come after you for the money you owe and damages because everyone / I / you know I would win because you've admitted to everything, even on the board; I don't think that's even entered your mind the consequences you could end up putting yourself into, and once again I'm purely telling you this based on possible situations and to hopefully make you realize what you could end up doing to your own financial / life situation; and no, I'm personally not even the one who even thought about you declaring bankruptcy because you'd not be able to pay / would have everything taken from you [or whatever you have, or say you don't have], so please don't try and state again that I'm trying to intimidate you. It's simply just not smart to have debts, and especially to not pay them, and even more so to take a long time before even starting to pay them. And I still hope to hear from you tomorrow as you said you would in the conclusion to our discussion on ICQ. Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

10-24-2005, 06:13 PM	#87
gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	Your explanation that you teach because you don't want 1/10 dissatisfied SEO clients yelling at you is bullshit. If you really knew SEO you'd be doing it FOR YOURSELF and raking in so much fucking affiliate income that these meager debts would be paid off long ago. __________________ icq:159548293

10-24-2005, 06:15 PM	#88
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	my only question is, if you are so good at it, why aren't you making a sizeable revenue stream instread of showing others how to make money that could be yours?

10-24-2005, 06:22 PM	#89
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	Hey jojojo want to give me a free lesson ? I'll verify that you are legit ;)

10-24-2005, 07:28 PM	#91
PrivateEye Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dirty South Posts: 1,784	Could you please post the new links you are working on ? __________________ Arkansas Escort Ads

10-24-2005, 07:28 PM	#92
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	I understand you wanting to drum up some new biz, but don't you realize how insulting it is to post soliciting business on the same board that you owe multiple people money? Also, try dropping your inflated fees and you'll get a lot more work and have some income coming in.

10-25-2005, 12:22 PM	#94
Dion Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 473	you guys are basically saying, "why become a teacher of anything, you could be making more money knowing what you know than teaching others" some people choose to do both not hard to understand. so you have a few bad clients, i wonder how many bad clients microsoft has LOL not to mention sometimes business deals do not work out. this is not the shoppping channel, you do not get a 30 day money back guarantee. I mean come on guys, aren't you smart enough to be able to play with what you can afford to lose with out whineing over it? Last edited by Dion; 10-25-2005 at 12:23 PM..

10-25-2005, 12:51 PM	#96
JMM Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,755	Fuck it..I will give it a shot, why not. I will pay Trax the $500 you owe him right now and you give me package #1, the $1000 package. Deal?