This thread could save your life. Bookmark it. About the upcoming influenza pandemic

[NoCarrier]

This thread is a serious and friendly advice. Bookmark it. Take notes. Not many people will read it, propably because I didn't put the word "TITS" in my title, but I'm not fucking kidding there. Your are the lucky one reading it. When you will get the alert from the CDC or the World Health Organization, it's going to be too fucking late..

Go get Tamiflu now.. Go see your doctor, and get that prescription ready. Don't tell him it's because you are scared about the upcomimg pandemic, tell him it's because you have flu in your family

Right now we are at the following phase :

3.2.3 PHASE 0, PREPAREDNESS LEVEL 3, HUMAN TRANSMISSION CONFIRMED

Bird Flu May Have Passed Between Humans

The next phase is 3.3 PHASE 1: CONFIRMATION OF ONSET OF PANDEMIC

http://www.who.int/emc-documents/inf...x.htm/sec3.htm

Bird Flu Pandemic Would Drain Drug Supply

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20040201_864.html

Feb. 1 ? Prescription flu drugs could provide lifesaving early protection against bird flu if the virus disastrously mutates into a worldwide pandemic, but experts warn that supplies will quickly run out unless governments stockpile the medicines.

Early talks are going on between the U.S. government and one maker about providing a large quantity for use in a pandemic, but at best the medicine is still months away.

If enough was available, the drugs could help buy time until a vaccine is developed to stop the flu's spread.

Experts say the flu drugs could shorten illness and prevent lethal complications for flu victims as well as keep healthy people from catching it, especially health care workers.

Doctors say only one brand, Tamiflu, is practical for large-scale stockpiling, but so far no government has bought the big amounts needed for a pandemic. For now, worldwide supplies are skimpy, because the drugs are not widely used to treat ordinary flu.

"This needs to be in the national stockpile, just as much as Cipro and smallpox vaccine," says Dr. Arnold Monto, a flu expert at the University of Michigan. A bird flu pandemic "could have as much of an impact as a manmade terrorist attack."

The U.S. government has already ordered an extra supply of Tamiflu to help deal with the current flu season, although the exact amount is classified. Much more would be needed for a pandemic.

Roche's Tamiflu, a pill introduced in 1999, is one of two drugs called neuraminidase inhibitors that appear to be effective against all kinds of flu, including the bird flu circulating in Asia. The other, GlaxoSmithKline's Relenza, requires an inhaler and is rarely used. It is not considered suitable for stockpiling.

Roche makes only as much as is needed for a typical flu season and does not stockpile the drug for an emergency. "If there was a large outbreak like a pandemic, it would take at least several months to produce additional product on top of what's already available," says Terence Hurley, a Roche spokesman.

So far, he said, the company has received no orders for stockpiling large amounts. However, the company is in "preliminary discussions" with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The World Health Organization is also working on stockpiling plans with several European countries.

Tamiflu and Relenza are much more expensive than an older and more widely available category of flu drugs called M2 inhibitors. These include the generic medicines rimantadine and amantadine.

When the current variety of bird flu first spread from chickens to people in Hong Kong in 1997, it could be treated with the M2 drugs. But it has since mutated and become resistant to those medicines, a discovery that Dr. Frederick Hayden of the University of Virginia called "very disquieting."

"That means that a whole class of drugs really would not be useful for treatment or protection," Hayden said.

Just how the flu drugs might be used has been widely discussed and debated among flu experts, who agree they could be especially critical in the early months of an outbreak, assuming enough was available.

"I think it would definitely have a major role in the first wave of any new pandemic strain and would perhaps provide time for the development of a vaccine," says Dr. Paul Glezen of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

A flu vaccine takes at least six months to develop and manufacture in the best of circumstances. A bird flu shot is likely to be even more difficult, because it requires genetic engineering techniques that have never been used in human vaccines.

Meanwhile, a bird flu virus could spread around the world in weeks and would be very difficult to contain by isolating victims as was done with SARS since flu is more contagious.

For now, bird flu is widespread among poultry in many Asian countries. A handful of cases have been documented in people, but there is no sign of person-to-person spread. The fear is that someone already infected with the human flu will also catch bird flu. The two viruses could swap genes inside the victim's body, producing a very contagious new virus for which people have little or no immunity.

Experts say supply is the single biggest concern about flu drugs. "If there really was an explosive worldwide epidemic, we would have shortages of the drugs," says Dr. John Treanor of the University of Rochester.

If taken by healthy people, Tamiflu could probably significantly reduce the chance of catching the flu. People would need to take it daily for at least six weeks, until the wave of disease passed, and not even a huge stockpile would allow for that.

However, some experts say it might make sense to give the drug to protect essential personnel, such as hospital workers, ambulance crews, firefighters and police.

The drug's main benefit, though, would be in treating the sick. Some propose giving it to everyone who gets sick in the first days of an outbreak. That would make them less likely to infect others, and might slow the epidemic.

Others recommend limiting the drugs to those most likely to die from the flu, such as the elderly. "That assumes that we are not all at the same risk," says Monto.

If taken soon after symptoms start, Tamiflu can shorten a bout of ordinary flu by several days, and people often start feeling better within hours. How well it would work against a mutant bird flu is unknown.

No one knows how many would get sick in a bird flu pandemic, or even whether a new virus would truly spread as easily in humans as it does in birds. However, experts generally estimate that 30 percent to 40 percent of the population gets sick in a flu pandemic.

In the worst pandemic on record, the 1918-19 Spanish flu, an estimated 40 million to 50 million died. The world population is almost four times larger now.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Medical Editor Daniel Q. Haney is a special correspondent for The Associated Press.

[Smokey The Bear]

The Sky is falling !!!!!!

[twistyneck]

It is my greatest hope that some disease will wipe out 95% of the world's population.

[shima]

Originally posted by twistyneck
It is my greatest hope that some disease will wipe out 95% of the world's population.

Whats so cool about it? Stone age? There are a few advantages like fresh air and plenty of space to live in. But no dentist around.

[Spunky]

I think you are being a bit paranoid.

[m00d]

Originally posted by shima

Whats so cool about it? Stone age? There are a few advantages like fresh air and plenty of space to live in. But no dentist around.

What he said.

[Brad Xtremepay]

We've needed a good gene pool cleaning for 500 years.

[Dveron]

I try not to live my life in fear but thanks for the advice

[quiet]

Originally posted by Brad Xtremepay
We've needed a good gene pool cleaning for 500 years.

[mastamindz]

Spring cleaning.

[Observing]

I don't waste my time living in fear... but I'm sure your post will help flame the fear in some people, at least you meant well, I hope

[NBDesign]

This may sound cold but....

We need another deadly outbreak... we are starting to get a little over populated. Mother nature has a way of taking care of herself.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by spunky1
I think you are being a bit paranoid.

Like I said, it's up to you. If it never happens, Thank God. But the odds right now is that a pandemic will occur soon. When you ask for Tamiflu at the same time with millions of other people, it's going to be too late.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by twistyneck
It is my greatest hope that some disease will wipe out 95% of the world's population.

It will not, but this bitch is extremely virulent. 33% of people die.. Which is around smallpox levels.

30 to 40% of the entire planet could be infected in a pandemic flu. You do the math..

[phogirl69]

Do you suggest we take it daily as a prevention measure. or wait until we catch it and then take it?

[lakeview]

Originally posted by NBDesign
This may sound cold but....

We need another deadly outbreak... we are starting to get a little over populated. Mother nature has a way of taking care of herself.

well if things keep going like this, then there will be 100 Million people infected with HIV by the year 2010.

[SoundMan]

going to wash my hands now.

[lakeview]

Originally posted by twistyneck
It is my greatest hope that some disease will wipe out 95% of the world's population.

why would you want something to happen that would kill you and the people you know?

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by phogirl69
Do you suggest we take it daily as a prevention measure. or wait until we catch it and then take it?

I'm gonna wait for the infection. As soon as I see symptoms I'll take it. I will have supplies for my wife and daughter also.

If you want more information :

http://www.tamiflu.com

[Dusen]

EDIT: I didn't read carefully enough.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by Dusen
Where do you plan to get it? Go to the doctor and ask for a perscription even though you're not sick?

Yes, I'm gonna tell that it's for my wife. And as a prevention for my daughter and myself. If it doesn't work because the doctor is a bitch, I'll go see another one until I get the prescription.

I heard rumors that they were instructed no to prescribe tamiflu because of the extremely low supply. But I want to make sure.

[mardigras]

How many doctors are going to write a prescription for a patient they haven't examined based on the visit and words of a relative? I think they'd be worried about malpractice...

[Libertine]

There have been no human to human infections yet. In order for that to happen, serious mutations in the virus are needed. Chances of that happening are less than 1%.

On the other hand, pandemics have happened fairly often historically speaking, so chances are that we'll have one any day now.

[rickholio]

Have you actually read that WHO release? The 'transmission' (which they're doubting it was) was between close family members, and transmission of bird flu between humans has happened in the past (ie. Hong Kong 97).

This disease can already go from person to person, and as they point out in the article itself, has been roaming around asia since the spring of 2003. Additionally, person to person transmission resulted in mild-to-nonexistant symptoms, which is why they doubt transmission in this case (the two sisters died) as the symptomology and their death is more likely explainable as them coming into direct contact with contaminated chicken.

Let's just say that I don't anticipate Randall Flagg coming out of the woodwork QUITE yet.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by punkworld
There have been no human to human infections yet. In order for that to happen, serious mutations in the virus are needed. Chances of that happening are less than 1%.

PERSON-TO-PERSON FLU FEAR RISES

http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/...77960&region=2

The World Health Organisation (WHO) is investigating a possible human-to-human transmission of the bird flu virus which has killed 10 people in Vietnam and Thailand.

The WHO said two sisters in Vietnam have died after contracting bird flu and they may have caught the virus from their brother.

However, no samples were available from the brother for testing.

The WHO's spokesman in Vietnam, Robert Deitz, says the timing of the cases appears to rule out infected food.

"The man became ill on January 3 and the three women all became ill at the same time on January 10," he said.

"There is a week delay there and we don't understand what happened but we do know that all three women cared for the man who died."

It comes as Chinese authorities desperately try to eradicate outbreaks of the disease in Shanghai and other parts of the country, amid fears of a major epidemic

[jimboc]

I would get some, but I'm in the UK, I don't know if it's available and it's against the law for doctors to write a prescription for a patient they havn't seen for obvious reasons...

I would buy some on the "black market" on the net if anyone knows a way

[Mishi]

Originally posted by rickholio
Let's just say that I don't anticipate Randall Flagg coming out of the woodwork QUITE yet.

Triple bonus mega points for that reference!

[goBigtime]

Isn't it ironic that the age old suggested therapy for the flu is chicken soup?

[budz]

damn stock scams jk

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by rickholio

Let's just say that I don't anticipate Randall Flagg coming out of the woodwork QUITE yet.

I never said that Captain Tripps was being released also. The scientific community is extremely worried about the situation. Do you know how many asian countries got infected with the avian flu so far? And so fast? This has never happened before.

I'm not telling everyone to be extremely optimistic or worried about this. But being cautious and informed is a good advice.

[jimboc]

So whats the best way to get this stuff? Would it be a good idea to buy over the counter stuff in case the news breaks and they sell out in a few hours...

[12clicks]

survivors of this strain of flu have an uncontrolable desire to eat worms.

[jimboc]

Originally posted by 12clicks
survivors of this strain of flu have an uncontrolable desire to eat worms.

As long as I can shit on your car...

[budz]

Originally posted by 12clicks
survivors of this strain of flu have an uncontrolable desire to eat worms.

OMFG ~!@#~!# that's great

[FuqALot]

You were pretty fast with this thread.

[KingK7]

Expect spammers to start plugging Tamiflu soon. Viagra is SO 2 years ago.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by KingK7

Expect spammers to start plugging Tamiflu soon. Viagra is SO 2 years ago.

as long as they sold stuff that really works they might be doing people a favor since we've already seen how organized the government is when it comes to acting fast in crisis. anyhow, there is only 5-10% chance of it even happening.

[potter]

Why oh why was this thread bumped?

To protect yourself, buy a big gun, that fires big bullets, and has a high rate of fire.

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by potter

buy a big gun, that fires big bullets, and has a high rate of fire.

[Marshal]

Originally Posted by twistyneck

It is my greatest hope that some disease will wipe out 95% of the world's population.

do some of you here ever listen to what they are talking?!
i cannot believe that there are some real retards here! "i hope it would wipe half of the planet..." - go fuck yourself, you mental guys!

thanks for that info, it could do some real help! ;)

[Jace]

I have a doctor here in town that loves my wife and her past videos, so he prescribes us anything we want..hehe....we have our tamiflu prescriptions on our shelf already, and have for a month now

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by Jace

I have a doctor here in town that loves my wife and her past videos, so he prescribes us anything we want..hehe....we have our tamiflu prescriptions on our shelf already, and have for a month now

In other words, you could get some more?

I am glad my family is in the nursing home business. Whatever medications they start doling out, we will be one of the first to get. They already make us take mandatory flu shots every year, and anyone that doesn't take one is not allowed to go to work if they get sick for 2 weeks. I think we actually keep a small supply of tamiflu on hand as well locked in the nursing fridge.

They also use our facility for giving out free flu shots to the public, so I'm sure they'll do the same in this case. I will be the first in line, knocking old people out of the way.

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

You were pretty fast with this thread.

Let me guess.. You searched for "Tamiflu" ? But you didn't have to bump this 1 1/2 year old thread. It will not get more views.

[FuqALot]

Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Let me guess.. You searched for "Tamiflu" ? But you didn't have to bump this 1 1/2 year old thread. It will not get more views.

haha yep.. sometimes i want to see if anyone mentioned something.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by FuqALot

In other words, you could get some more?

anything, anytime

[Jace]

hahahaha, just noticed the thread date

<-----tired dumbass

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Smokey The Bear

The Sky is falling !!!!!!

your sig got owned

[12clicks]

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...5/s1484036.htm

"""The study, which is to be published in the scientific journal Nature, has found that a strain of the H5N1 bird flu virus, which was found in an infected Vietnamese girl, was resistant to Tamiflu"""