Vietnam and Iraq Similarities. - GoFuckYourself.com

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-09-2005, 12:15 AM

Very interesting;

The US death toll in Iraq has surpassed the number of American soldiers killed during the first three years of the Vietnam War, the brutal Cold War conflict that cast a shadow over US affairs for more than a generation.

A Reuters analysis of US Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000.

By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where US forces number about 130,000 troops + the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965.

The casualty count for Iraq apparently surpassed the Vietnam figure last Sunday, when a US soldier killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack south of Baghdad became the conflict's 393rd American casualty since Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 20.

Larger still is the number of American casualties from the broader US war on terrorism, which has produced 488 military deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Southwest Asia and other locations.

Statistics from battle zones outside Iraq show that 91 soldiers have died since Oct. 7, 2001, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which US President George W. Bush launched against Afghanistan's former Taliban regime after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington killed 3,000 people.

The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty.

Recent opinion polls show public support for the president eroding as he heads toward the 2004 election, partly because of public concern over the deadly cycle of guerrilla attacks and suicide bombings in Iraq.

On Thursday, heavy gunfire and explosions echoed across Baghdad as US troops pounded rebel positions for a second night, and administration officials sought ways to accelerate a transfer of power to the Iraqi people.

US COMBAT POWER

Because US involvement in Vietnam increased gradually after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, there is little consensus on when the war in Southeast Asia began.

Some date the war to the late 1950s. Others say it began on Aug. 5, 1964, when Lyndon Johnson announced air strikes against North Vietnam in retaliation for a reported torpedo attack on a US destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin.

However, the Army's start date for the Vietnam War has been set by its Center of Military History as Dec. 11, 1961, when two helicopter companies consisting of 32 aircraft and 400 soldiers arrived in the country, an Army public affairs specialist said.

"It was the first major assemblage of US combat power in Vietnam," explained Army historian Joe Webb.

Vietnam casualties, which amounted to 25 deaths from 1956 through 1961, climbed to 53 in 1962, 123 in 1963 and 216 in 1964, Pentagon statistics show.

At the time, the US presence in Vietnam consisted mainly of military advisers. President John F. Kennedy increased their number from about 960 in 1961 to show Washington's commitment to containing communism.

But not until 1965, after Congress had approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, did Washington begin its massive escalation of the war effort. With a huge influx of soldiers, casualties in Vietnam soared to 1,926 in 1965 and peaked at 16,869 in 1968, the year of the Tet Offensive, data show.

In a major revision of US military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred.

More than 58,000 US military personnel died in Vietnam before the war ended in the mid-1970s.

In another comparison, British forces that created Iraq in the aftermath of World War One suffered 2,000 casualties from tribal reprisals, guerrilla attacks and a jihad proclaimed from the Shi'ite holy city of Kerbala, before conditions stabilized in 1921, according to US military scholars.

Reuters included military deaths both on and off the battlefield for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, for comparison with Vietnam War statistics that made no distinction between hostile and non-hostile casualties.

On Thursday, US combat deaths totaled 270 for Iraq and 28 for other battle zones, including Afghanistan.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/...ent_281493.htm

Artical is dated 2003.

So given the trend...
We may loose well over 25K Americans.

StickyGreen · 10-09-2005, 12:16 AM

yea but no one knows the impact this whole thing will have on the world 20 years from now, it's too soon to judge the significance...

elitetec · 10-09-2005, 12:17 AM

yea that is true

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-09-2005, 12:19 AM

There is some propaganda in that artical though.

World Trade Center I recall was over 5K American Civilians dead not 3K.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-09-2005, 12:21 AM

What really sucks at this point is that it is to late for USA Pull out.

Leaving Iraq would leave a power vaccume causing more than likely 100,000's of dead from Middle Eastern in fighting, from the Kurds to the Tsunnies and the Shiites which would ultimatly split Iraq 3 ways.

Fucken Bush...

donnie · 10-09-2005, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

There is some propaganda in that artical though.

World Trade Center I recall was over 5K American Civilians dead not 3K.

2752 dead, you fucking idiot.

Matt 26z · 10-09-2005, 01:30 AM

The biggest thing they will have in common in 10 years is that every American will be too embarrassed to admit they at any time supported the war in Iraq.

Cons are already jumping from reason to reason to support the war. WMD. Our Freedoms. Iraqi freedoms. You call them out on one thing and they don't even bother to defend it. They just move onto the next reason and hope you can't slam it.

The other day I was on the train and this guy kept going on and on about how the Iraq war was such a great thing because it protects our freedom here in the US. I finally spoke up and asked the guy to give me a scenario which had Saddam sending his army across the Atlantic to successfully invade America. Of course, he had no answer.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-09-2005, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donnie

2752 dead, you fucking idiot.

OH well pardon me...

Its still alot of folks.

Hey you might wanna take a time out and pull the stick out of you're ass.

Webby · 10-09-2005, 01:56 AM

Same shit, different geography...

Whether it's Iraq, Somalia or some Caribbean Island - they just can't stop fucking in other people's biz. Trying staying the fuck home in Arkansas and milk cows.

10-09-2005, 12:15 AM	#1
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Vietnam and Iraq Similarities. Very interesting; The US death toll in Iraq has surpassed the number of American soldiers killed during the first three years of the Vietnam War, the brutal Cold War conflict that cast a shadow over US affairs for more than a generation. A Reuters analysis of US Defense Department statistics showed on Thursday that the Vietnam War, which the Army says officially began on Dec. 11, 1961, produced a combined 392 fatal casualties from 1962 through 1964, when American troop levels in Indochina stood at just over 17,000. By comparison, a roadside bomb attack that killed a soldier in Baghdad on Wednesday brought to 397 the tally of American dead in Iraq, where US forces number about 130,000 troops + the same number reached in Vietnam by October 1965. The casualty count for Iraq apparently surpassed the Vietnam figure last Sunday, when a US soldier killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack south of Baghdad became the conflict's 393rd American casualty since Operation Iraqi Freedom began on March 20. Larger still is the number of American casualties from the broader US war on terrorism, which has produced 488 military deaths in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Southwest Asia and other locations. Statistics from battle zones outside Iraq show that 91 soldiers have died since Oct. 7, 2001, as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, which US President George W. Bush launched against Afghanistan's former Taliban regime after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington killed 3,000 people. The Bush administration has rejected comparisons between Iraq and Vietnam, which traumatized Americans a generation ago with a sad procession of military body bags and television footage of grim wartime cruelty. Recent opinion polls show public support for the president eroding as he heads toward the 2004 election, partly because of public concern over the deadly cycle of guerrilla attacks and suicide bombings in Iraq. On Thursday, heavy gunfire and explosions echoed across Baghdad as US troops pounded rebel positions for a second night, and administration officials sought ways to accelerate a transfer of power to the Iraqi people. US COMBAT POWER Because US involvement in Vietnam increased gradually after the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, there is little consensus on when the war in Southeast Asia began. Some date the war to the late 1950s. Others say it began on Aug. 5, 1964, when Lyndon Johnson announced air strikes against North Vietnam in retaliation for a reported torpedo attack on a US destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin. However, the Army's start date for the Vietnam War has been set by its Center of Military History as Dec. 11, 1961, when two helicopter companies consisting of 32 aircraft and 400 soldiers arrived in the country, an Army public affairs specialist said. "It was the first major assemblage of US combat power in Vietnam," explained Army historian Joe Webb. Vietnam casualties, which amounted to 25 deaths from 1956 through 1961, climbed to 53 in 1962, 123 in 1963 and 216 in 1964, Pentagon statistics show. At the time, the US presence in Vietnam consisted mainly of military advisers. President John F. Kennedy increased their number from about 960 in 1961 to show Washington's commitment to containing communism. But not until 1965, after Congress had approved the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, did Washington begin its massive escalation of the war effort. With a huge influx of soldiers, casualties in Vietnam soared to 1,926 in 1965 and peaked at 16,869 in 1968, the year of the Tet Offensive, data show. In a major revision of US military history in 1995, former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara said he believed the Gulf of Tonkin torpedo attack never occurred. More than 58,000 US military personnel died in Vietnam before the war ended in the mid-1970s. In another comparison, British forces that created Iraq in the aftermath of World War One suffered 2,000 casualties from tribal reprisals, guerrilla attacks and a jihad proclaimed from the Shi'ite holy city of Kerbala, before conditions stabilized in 1921, according to US military scholars. Reuters included military deaths both on and off the battlefield for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom, for comparison with Vietnam War statistics that made no distinction between hostile and non-hostile casualties. On Thursday, US combat deaths totaled 270 for Iraq and 28 for other battle zones, including Afghanistan. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/...ent_281493.htm Artical is dated 2003. So given the trend... We may loose well over 25K Americans. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 10-09-2005 at 12:16 AM..

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10-09-2005, 12:19 AM	#4
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	There is some propaganda in that artical though. World Trade Center I recall was over 5K American Civilians dead not 3K. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	What really sucks at this point is that it is to late for USA Pull out. Leaving Iraq would leave a power vaccume causing more than likely 100,000's of dead from Middle Eastern in fighting, from the Kurds to the Tsunnies and the Shiites which would ultimatly split Iraq 3 ways. Fucken Bush... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

10-09-2005, 01:30 AM	#7
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	The biggest thing they will have in common in 10 years is that every American will be too embarrassed to admit they at any time supported the war in Iraq. Cons are already jumping from reason to reason to support the war. WMD. Our Freedoms. Iraqi freedoms. You call them out on one thing and they don't even bother to defend it. They just move onto the next reason and hope you can't slam it. The other day I was on the train and this guy kept going on and on about how the Iraq war was such a great thing because it protects our freedom here in the US. I finally spoke up and asked the guy to give me a scenario which had Saddam sending his army across the Atlantic to successfully invade America. Of course, he had no answer.

10-09-2005, 01:56 AM	#9
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Same shit, different geography... Whether it's Iraq, Somalia or some Caribbean Island - they just can't stop fucking in other people's biz. Trying staying the fuck home in Arkansas and milk cows. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.