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Platinumpimp · 10-03-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Turkey will make further progress in human rights inside EU and that will be the outcome by slowly removing the military control that still exists there. Turks are not different than Greeks, Dutchs or British people. I strongly believe that and I have experienced it. Under certain conditions they can be fanaticized, but no more than the rest. I believe they should be given a logical time-frame to meet further requirements.

Many europeans do not want Turkey because they are afraid the immigration and the impact it will have in the work place. I fully understand it and it's a concern that has to be seen, but I find it unacceptable to make use of other excuses to express their concerns. If you say you don't like turks you are nothing more than the negative imagine you have about them in your mind.

Bro, Turks are very very different from Dutch or British people. It's like apples to oranges lol.

The negative image is something they created themselves, lets not forget that. Go live in Holland for a few years and you will find out for yourself.

So some people in certain countries might think otherwise yea, but thats only because there are not a lot of Turkish people in their country.

andrej_NDC · 10-03-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Bro, Turks are very very different from Dutch or British people. It's like apples to oranges lol.

The negative image is something they created themselves, lets not forget that. Go live in Holland for a few years and you will find out for yourself.

So some people in certain countries might think otherwise yea, but thats only because there are not a lot of Turkish people in their country.

yep, I have nothing against Turkish ppl, but they are tottaly different to most of Europe, different culture, habits, etc...

Webby · 10-03-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Turkey will make further progress in human rights inside EU and that will be the outcome by slowly removing the military control that still exists there. Turks are not different than Greeks, Dutchs or British people. I strongly believe that and I have experienced it. Under certain conditions they can be fanaticized, but no more than the rest. I believe they should be given a logical time-frame to meet further requirements.

Many europeans do not want Turkey because they are afraid the immigration and the impact it will have in the work place. I fully understand it and it's a concern that has to be seen, but I find it unacceptable to make use of other excuses to express their concerns. If you say you don't like turks you are nothing more than the negative imagine you have about them in your mind.

Agree Soul!

Turkey keeps expressing their wish to belong to the EU and talking. Talking within an EU membership negotiation process still does not remove the basic elements which are fundamental obstacles to EU membership - ie human rights issues. They need to clean their house up first.

Little doubt, as long as they are interested in being EU members and make the effort to comply as with all EU states, - they will get membership.

On race crap, overall the Turkish people are no different to Swedish, Chinese, US or anyone else - humans don't vary much across the planet, irrespective where they were born :-)

Turkey has a lot to gain economically by joining the EU - who will undoubtedly be funding/supporting them towards an ecomomic level of other EU nations.

MetroPornTour · 10-03-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Hey Metro, are you turkish or have a turkish background?

Thanks for asking but I'm actually Quebecoise and Native North American. And before you ask my husband is Acadien and Sicilian. (Grew up mostly in Newfie)

So no Turk or muslim influence here.

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Having them join the EU is not a good thing. It means the rich countries have to pay even more and they get an open invitation to come in even greater numbers to Holland. Besides, their culture is so way off it wouldn't blend with the EU culture.

Btw, what happened with the discussion of Holland contributing way too much money to our friend Baroso.

Why do you think over 50% in the prisoners here is foreigner, while the total population of Holland is only like 10% foreigner.

You know if you go to Manitoba you will find that the majority of people in jail are Indian. It is the same problem, law enforcement singles them out. (Don't forget the comment "How do you wink at an Indian?")

Fact,

Industrial trade barriers between Europe and Turkey are down.

Turkey's population is mostly youth.

Turkey has had a growth of 9% each year for the last 10 years.

Turkey represents 70 million people making it the largest potential consumer market if allowed to join the E.U.

Allowing an Islamic nation to join would ease and stabalize tensions with other Islamic nations.

Historically you can't even dispute their claim to European membership.

Turkey has always been involved with Europe. Since the time of the Roman Emporer Constantine. When he moved the seat power from Rome to Constantinople. (Constantinople was officially renamed hahaha304;stanbul by the Republic of Turkey in 1930.)

To the early 1200s when the Fourth Crusade installed a Latin occupation of Constantinople. (Mid Byzantium period)

Basically this state and the inhabitants have always referred to themselves as Roman, as did most of their neighbors. But... the western Europeans, who also had their own version of a Roman Empire, named them Orientals or Greeks.

Platinumpimp · 10-03-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

Thanks for asking but I'm actually Quebecoise and Native North American. And before you ask my husband is Acadien and Sicilian. (Grew up mostly in Newfie)

So no Turk or muslim influence here.

You know if you go to Manitoba you will find that the majority of people in jail are Indian. It is the same problem, law enforcement singles them out. (Don't forget the comment "How do you wink at an Indian?")

Very interesting.

But what does Manitoba have to do with Turkey joining the EU lol.

pornmonger · 10-03-2005, 12:22 PM

Actually man countries are listening to their citizens.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4303550.stm

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Originally Posted by ControlThy

A majority of Europeans simply don't want Turkey in the EU. Austria is the only country actually listening to the citizens.

Platinumpimp · 10-03-2005, 12:24 PM

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MetroPornTour · 10-03-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Very interesting.

But what does Manitoba have to do with Turkey joining the EU lol.

Because you said this,

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Why do you think over 50% in the prisoners here is foreigner, while the total population of Holland is only like 10% foreigner.

subVERSION · 10-03-2005, 03:33 PM

Great Words Metro. Well done.

A lot of the issues that Turkey is facing right now can easily been seen in just about every other country. Turkish people as a whole are some of the most hospitable people I have ever meet.
If I were to judge the Russian's, Germans, and other countries on some of the principles that a lot of you people claim it would be worse.
There are numerous ethnic groups that some might consider a disease within the states and I've yet to take they're display as a representation of the whole country. How fair would that be ?

At one point or another each country has had they're fair share of injustice, inhumanity, and backward practices. I mean come on. The Dutch STARTED THE SLAVE TRADE. You have really now platform to judge these things.

Albeit, Turkey is sadly controlled by a lot of bad presence within the government(religion mostly) but the country and it's people have a lot to offer to the world. We're talking about the supposed "cradle of civilization" here. The land alone has a 50,000yr old History. The economic benefits that the country propose alone is worth it.

They've been trying hard and making huge improvements in such a short time. YES there is still ways to go. But they're not doing bad for an 80 yr old country.

Read the New York Times. Turkey is one of the top 10 destinations in Europe. Tourism increases by 400% every year. It's not just b/c it's cheap. You don't see people flocking to Mexico just b/c you can get a cheap beer and hotel.
Turkey is a wonderful country filled with a beautiful land, history, culture, diversity, beaches, and HOTTTT topless women.

haig · 10-03-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Troels

I agree. That's good news.

If Turkey enters the EU we would border Syria, Iraq and Iran.
I say again, Syria, Iraq and Iran....

Because of the Schengen agreement people would just have to cross Turkey's outer borders to move freely amongst the EU member states.
Fat chance that's EVER gonna happen. Ofcourse if Turkey ever got any kind of EU membership they would probably not be part of the Schengen agreement anyway.

But Turkey will never be a member. It's not Europe, and people don't want them in.

___
i'm watching some post here, & i'm really Laughing them, You tolking about us, i'm from Turkiye.
some people had said good Thinks & real think,; so i'm realy thanks giving them.
& some people don't know any shit about Turkiye, firstly; we are not like Iran or Iraq; this is my suggestion; come here & se about us. secondly; i'm curioss, some people don't Muslims in the Europ in this Topic why? what did Muslims You? 3. actualy i'm conzorvative & so Mutch Nationalist, so i don't want to enter the fucking Europ Unian & what the shit it is. alot of People Don't want to go Europ Unian in the Turkey, but Our Mother fucker Goverment Dieling with this kind of Bulshits.
Lastly; Please be open other Cultures, & don't be judge with out know about themselfs.
if i did Mistake, sorry For This.
Regards.

maddox · 10-03-2005, 04:34 PM

you must be fucking kidding me, Austria is blocking the Turkey from becoming EU country and this is the best news for the Europe after dead of Hitler. Turkey is nothing else but a country on the border between Europe and Asia, if they will accept Turkey in the EU and open the border this will be a bridge for the muslim terrorists to enter Europe, do you really want that? I have nothing against Turkish people as I know quite a few and they are fine, but their country is really fucked up, especially the agricultural regions

subVERSION · 10-03-2005, 05:21 PM

NEWS BREAK.

"Turkey approves EU deal"
"This is a truly historic day for Europe and for the whole of the international community," he said. Straw said Turkey's entry into the EU "will bring a strong secular state that happens to have a Muslim majority into the EU, proof that we can live, work and prosper together."

Why · 10-03-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

Thanks for asking but I'm actually Quebecoise and Native North American.

quebec is not a country, are you sure you arent trying to say you are CANADIAN. and when did native americans decide to specify north or south?

why do so many people care about race and all of that when others of us could just give a fuck less? you are where you live, if you live in america, you are fucking american, if you live in canada, you are fucking canadian.

nico-t · 10-03-2005, 06:08 PM

The opinion of the european people simply gets ignored. A spokesman form the EU is gonna say we all like it and thats that, they will be part of the EU.

The dutch government is specialized in fucking their people over, and when they see once in a few years the real thoughts of us (ie the european constitution votes) they debate like nervous headless fucks to suck up on tv for a week or so and after that they go on with the opposite what the people want.

Platinumpimp · 10-03-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t

The opinion of the european people simply gets ignored. A spokesman form the EU is gonna say we all like it and thats that, they will be part of the EU.

The dutch government is specialized in fucking their people over, and when they see once in a few years the real thoughts of us (ie the european constitution votes) they debate like nervous headless fucks to suck up on tv for a week or so and after that they go on with the opposite what the people want.

Don't worry bro, Turkey will not join the EU anytime soon.

For them to fully join the EU hey should accept the Genocide if they want to be accepted and recognize the Cyprus

Odin88 · 10-03-2005, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

Thanks for asking but I'm actually Quebecoise and Native North American. And before you ask my husband is Acadien and Sicilian. (Grew up mostly in Newfie)

So no Turk or muslim influence here.

You know if you go to Manitoba you will find that the majority of people in jail are Indian. It is the same problem, law enforcement singles them out. (Don't forget the comment "How do you wink at an Indian?")

Fact,

Industrial trade barriers between Europe and Turkey are down.

Turkey's population is mostly youth.

Turkey has had a growth of 9% each year for the last 10 years.

Turkey represents 70 million people making it the largest potential consumer market if allowed to join the E.U.

Allowing an Islamic nation to join would ease and stabalize tensions with other Islamic nations.

Historically you can't even dispute their claim to European membership.

Turkey has always been involved with Europe. Since the time of the Roman Emporer Constantine. When he moved the seat power from Rome to Constantinople. (Constantinople was officially renamed hahaha304;stanbul by the Republic of Turkey in 1930.)

To the early 1200s when the Fourth Crusade installed a Latin occupation of Constantinople. (Mid Byzantium period)

Basically this state and the inhabitants have always referred to themselves as Roman, as did most of their neighbors. But... the western Europeans, who also had their own version of a Roman Empire, named them Orientals or Greeks.

Why do elitist liberals always wish to ignore democracy? I mean seriously, only some 30% people want them in the EU, deal with it. These are the citizens of the EU are meant to have MUCH MORE claim as to what happens than Turkey does. Turkey isn't owed anything, and they quite simply are not European, no matter how you spin it. Should America join the European Union? They have a huge history in Europe also, and they are from Europe initially. In my opinion the EU is fast becomming a run away elitist club that doesn't give a shit about what its citizens want.

Odin88 · 10-03-2005, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t

The opinion of the european people simply gets ignored. A spokesman form the EU is gonna say we all like it and thats that, they will be part of the EU.

The dutch government is specialized in fucking their people over, and when they see once in a few years the real thoughts of us (ie the european constitution votes) they debate like nervous headless fucks to suck up on tv for a week or so and after that they go on with the opposite what the people want.

Well said. It is the same just about everywhere though, but you are very correct. The EU though is taking it to a whole new level though.

tristan_D · 10-04-2005, 12:53 AM

well all I can say about this is that I have been to Istanbul some years ago and it was a very beautiful city.

Lev · 10-04-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

Don't worry bro, Turkey will not join the EU anytime soon.

For them to fully join the EU hey should accept the Genocide if they want to be accepted and recognize the Cyprus

Exactly. First of all Turkey can not join the EU without recognizing the Greek Cyprus, which is part of EU, Turkey will never do this as this would mean the death of today's political figures. See the religious army fanatics control Turkey and not Erdogan or any other politician. Turks still have this Pan-Turkic nationalism that Turkey only for Turks and I doubt they will undermine their national interests like recognizing the Armenian Genocide and recognizing the Greek Cyprus, not to mention finding out that their beloved Ataturk is no one but a ruthless murderer who basically finished the Armenian Genocide and finally drove away and killed all the Armenians from their ancestral lands.

I say fuck Turkey and I hope it never gets accepted to the EU, because the EU is only for civilized countries

MetroPornTour · 10-04-2005, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odin88

Why do elitist liberals always wish to ignore democracy? I mean seriously, only some 30% people want them in the EU, deal with it. These are the citizens of the EU are meant to have MUCH MORE claim as to what happens than Turkey does. Turkey isn't owed anything, and they quite simply are not European, no matter how you spin it. Should America join the European Union? They have a huge history in Europe also, and they are from Europe initially. In my opinion the EU is fast becomming a run away elitist club that doesn't give a shit about what its citizens want.

More of this damn idiot stupid and pathetic American Bulshit about Liberal vs. Conservative. Your the Second Ass-wipe I have had to explain this to.

Ok Bubba,

Lets get one damn thing straight.

1. I am NOT some Hippie-Pinko-Tree Hugging Liberal
2. I am NOT some Stupid-Anger Loving, Racist Lying Conservative bag of shit.

I am NOT EVEN AMERICAN!!!

Now John-boy, I want you to read this real careful and see if you can understand it.

According to American Propoganda Bullshit some of my opinions might be catagorized as being either "Liberal" or "Conservative."

And in Truth I hold opinions on both sides of the fence with more often then not, having something that is "In The Middle."

You might call me a "Moderate" and most would call it "Common Sense."

Just to make it clear what exactly this means to the average Pot-head Liberal or Cousin Marrying Conservative. It means I can speak both the languages. "Love and Peace" or "Beat some's Ass."

There is a time and a place for everything. I'll respond not only with what is required to get a job done, but what makes the most common sense.

So why don't you stuff that up your ass and think it over.

Troels · 10-04-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by haig

___
i'm watching some post here, & i'm really Laughing them, You tolking about us, i'm from Turkiye.
some people had said good Thinks & real think,; so i'm realy thanks giving them.
& some people don't know any shit about Turkiye, firstly; we are not like Iran or Iraq; this is my suggestion; come here & se about us. secondly; i'm curioss, some people don't Muslims in the Europ in this Topic why? what did Muslims You? 3. actualy i'm conzorvative & so Mutch Nationalist, so i don't want to enter the fucking Europ Unian & what the shit it is. alot of People Don't want to go Europ Unian in the Turkey, but Our Mother fucker Goverment Dieling with this kind of Bulshits.
Lastly; Please be open other Cultures, & don't be judge with out know about themselfs.
if i did Mistake, sorry For This.
Regards.

You fail to see the point. We do not want a EU border with Syria, Iran and Iraq. Turkey is a great buffer between EU and the peace loving nations of Allah. Why change a good thing?

Turkey will enter a close partnership with EU to appease the population of Turkey, we don't want to fuel the agenda of Muslim radicals in Turkey. To appease the citizens of EU they'll never be included in the EU.

Don't kid yourself. This is a religious thing. Alot of EU citizens have seen the muslim way of life, the 12th century way of mixing State and religion. Forcing religion onto laws and regulation. We don't need that, we don't want that.

Muslim countries are dangerous by default, poor and corrupt.
Coincidence? Or you think the religious restrains of Islam had something to do with lack of social and economic growth?

Add to that the economic challenges of getting a poor country of 70 million into the EU shortly after a very costly expansion to the east. It's not gonna fly.

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subVERSION Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: on.themove Posts: 235	Great Words Metro. Well done. A lot of the issues that Turkey is facing right now can easily been seen in just about every other country. Turkish people as a whole are some of the most hospitable people I have ever meet. If I were to judge the Russian's, Germans, and other countries on some of the principles that a lot of you people claim it would be worse. There are numerous ethnic groups that some might consider a disease within the states and I've yet to take they're display as a representation of the whole country. How fair would that be ? At one point or another each country has had they're fair share of injustice, inhumanity, and backward practices. I mean come on. The Dutch STARTED THE SLAVE TRADE. You have really now platform to judge these things. Albeit, Turkey is sadly controlled by a lot of bad presence within the government(religion mostly) but the country and it's people have a lot to offer to the world. We're talking about the supposed "cradle of civilization" here. The land alone has a 50,000yr old History. The economic benefits that the country propose alone is worth it. They've been trying hard and making huge improvements in such a short time. YES there is still ways to go. But they're not doing bad for an 80 yr old country. Read the New York Times. Turkey is one of the top 10 destinations in Europe. Tourism increases by 400% every year. It's not just b/c it's cheap. You don't see people flocking to Mexico just b/c you can get a cheap beer and hotel. Turkey is a wonderful country filled with a beautiful land, history, culture, diversity, beaches, and HOTTTT topless women. __________________ multi-dimensional traffic acquisition expert / marketing consultant / large volume traffic brokering [ email ] sean.at.thevideohunt.com [ icq ] 191.641.086

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maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	you must be fucking kidding me, Austria is blocking the Turkey from becoming EU country and this is the best news for the Europe after dead of Hitler. Turkey is nothing else but a country on the border between Europe and Asia, if they will accept Turkey in the EU and open the border this will be a bridge for the muslim terrorists to enter Europe, do you really want that? I have nothing against Turkish people as I know quite a few and they are fine, but their country is really fucked up, especially the agricultural regions

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nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	The opinion of the european people simply gets ignored. A spokesman form the EU is gonna say we all like it and thats that, they will be part of the EU. The dutch government is specialized in fucking their people over, and when they see once in a few years the real thoughts of us (ie the european constitution votes) they debate like nervous headless fucks to suck up on tv for a week or so and after that they go on with the opposite what the people want.