Turkey rejects latest EU proposals
 

ANKARA, Turkey Turkey's Foreign Ministry said Monday that Turkey has rejected proposed changes to its framework agreement with the EU, deepening a crisis as EU leaders tried to overcome a deadlock over starting European Union entry talks.

Accession talks are scheduled to open later Monday, but Austria has insisted that Turkey is offered a partnership if full membership talks do not work out.

Turkey has said it will only accept full membership talks.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Namik Tan said that ''the EU has proposed some changes to the framework document....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/...eb.1003EU2.php


Doesn't look good to me.

Some countries are already suggesting they wont be a full member but just a member on the sideline.

For sure theyve got a lot to arrange there before becoming an EU members, esp human rights situations

Are you in favour of Turkey joining the European Union?

which human right situations? i tought turkey is a free country! :thumbsup

Looks perfect.....
The thing the EU really needs now is a few million muslim gold diggers.

A majority of Europeans simply don't want Turkey in the EU. Austria is the only country actually listening to the citizens.

I have been to Turkey and have a few friends from there. Its a very poor country and there is a lot of shit going on behind the scenes. Poverty, torture, death penalty, corruption.

I dont want them in our EU until they sort their shit out and become more humane.

Turkey is a runaway middle eastern shithole.

Mostly, Turkish people are fine, however.

Yep it is interesting. The further centralised the power is the less and less they give a shit about what the people actually think. It is about time the EU practiced what they preached.

I agree. That's good news.

If Turkey enters the EU we would border Syria, Iraq and Iran.
I say again, Syria, Iraq and Iran....

Because of the Schengen agreement people would just have to cross Turkey's outer borders to move freely amongst the EU member states.
Fat chance that's EVER gonna happen. Ofcourse if Turkey ever got any kind of EU membership they would probably not be part of the Schengen agreement anyway.

But Turkey will never be a member. It's not Europe, and people don't want them in.

Apparently you missed the news update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051002/...i_ea/eu_turkey

"The EU and the European people have always seen Turkey as a European state, " Straw said

By the way, when did the BBC become the Islamic News Channel?

Straw has no idea what the European people think or want.

oh yeah amazing free country lol

Turkey: Officials Try to Shut Down Rights Group

(New York, September 27, 2005)?The threat by Turkish officials to close down an organization defending lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people's rights violates basic freedoms of association and expression, Human Rights Watch said today.

Selahattin Ekremoglu, deputy governor of the Turkish capital Ankara, on September 15 wrote a letter to the gay and lesbian group Kaos GL that said a court procedure had been opened to dissolve the organization. He claimed that the name and regulations of the group violated a provision in the Turkish Civil Code that forbids "establishing any organization that is against the laws and principles of morality."

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/27/turkey11784.htm

Exactly the reason why they should not even be considered to be part of the EU.

What's even more funny that in our country a lot of pepple talk shit about Turkish people, but in the summer they do go on holiday to Turkey because its cheap. :1orglaugh

I do not go to Turkey because I don't like the type of people, period.

Turkey really shouldnt join the EU.

As soon as you leave the tourists places you'll see a lot of shit, people living under rocks, in camps and shit...

Turkey looks nice in the magazines but there's definetly still a shitload of poverty....

are you Greek?

My brother goes to Turkey every summer, and he says it's just great /not to nemtion cheap;) /, why is mostly Asian country even applying to a Europen Union membership is beyond me.....

You should cause the Turkish ppl in places like Marmaris arent represented in Holland. Live there is cool and reasonably wealthy, the ones who all came to Holland are the poorest Turkish ppl, like in every country.

Its like Paris isnt France, whole different area, different ppl, different way of life.

Never saw a burka in Alanya just 18yo topless girls :)

Nah he isnt, noone here knows bout the Greek/Turkish deal, basically a lotta ppl hate Turkish ppl here cause they say they stole our jobs n all, which is complete BS since we asked them to come to Holland in the 70s (and even earlier).

Like with everything there are cool Turkish ppl and complete assholes too.

I'm not against Turkey joining the E.U, there are some fundemental problems however that do not revolve around religion. E.G They're not even part of Europe? :1orglaugh

Very very true.

But at least I am being consequent myself. I don't like turkish people here so I will not spend a dime in their country either. And nobody's gonna change that! :)

Yes and btw I'm Greek

I don't really care if they join. If they meet the economic conditions and such, I could care less if they're Muslims or Christians...

Religion has nothing to do with it. It will have one big influence for both german and dutch governments, theyll have inside info bout social security payouts in Turkey, a lot more then now, its cool for the Turkish there, its not so cool for those who have been telling our governments they have 10 children in Turkey and now face penalties.

... and for all the dutchies who have appartments in Alanya they didnt tell the IRS bout... the dutch government already published the fees they gotta pay and ill tell you that aint nice

i agree, religion just has nothing to do with it

Glad you understood too cause that german fellow sure didnt

turkey is going to join the eu, and it will be a good thing.

all you racists will have to live with it, or move to america.

The people of Turkey have no business being included in the EU. They are not indiginous to Europe in any way at all and the only reason they have anything of value is because they stole it from the Greeks.

Their refusual to comply to EU sanctions further goes to show that they should not only have their application revoked, but that all her enemies should attack and destroy her once and for all.

The government is a piece of shit for keeping their people down and poverty stricken for generations and the way they have treated Greeks for centuries by seizing assets, property and wealth is comparable only to the holocaust that the Jews cry about every chance they get.

Turkey is a Muslim country from the Middle East and should not even be considered for inclusion to the EU. Case Closed.

Amen. :thumbsup

And the greeks? They stole it from the Ottomans.

what he said.

Turkey is welcome at my house for Thanksgiving.

Yeah lets dig up one million yrs old history. Turkish ppl are always SO damn good at that. Maybe you should realize this is bout todays politics not about some fight 5000 yrs ago.

Did you ever wonder why Greece is there and Turkey wont be in the EU for another decade or 3?

Thats EXACTLY why most ppl hate turkish ppl, the stuck up turkey is mighty attitude. Dude Turkey is poor and the part that isnt, isnt because ppl from Holland and Russia go there and spend serious cash. Not because of the fact the Turkish government succeeded.

Itll take ages before they join.

They have a long way to go if they want to be a part of EU

Have you ever thought bout the funds change there? Did you ever think bout the fact what will happen if they would join the Euro? Theyll get the biggest inflation in history.

One million turkish Lira will be not even half a Euro.

Ever considered what that would do prizes in Turkey? Employment? Social security? Stupid Ottoman comment, you are so clueless.

What a load of self-righteous sanctmonous crap!
The only reason why Turkey is being given this load of crap is because they are Islamic.

Turkey has been a strong ally of the west.
It is a democratic nation.
They have thier house in order and there is no crap about human rights violations now.

Turkey has been player in Europe from the time of the Roman Empire. And add to this that the comments on "There needs to be a common approach to the way the E.U does things." Is just plain ignorant and blatent discrimination.

If it was Canada asking for membership, they would be bending over backwards to prove why it has a claim.

I doubt Turkey will ever qualify for EU membership, I also doubt that all EU member states would unanimously approve of Turkey joining.

Here's what I think will happen, they'll talk and talk, then have meetings, and talk, and committees, and talk, and blah, and talk....this will go on for the next 20 years, and eventually they'll say "fuck it" or there will eventually be a referendum which will get voted down, and then they'll repeat this process all over again.

Thats an owl dipshit.

Lol youre too funny. Did you even see the post I made earlier on? That was this weeks news. They banned a group supporting gay and lesbian rights.

No issues on human rights. Right. Youre funny.

Until a few yrs ago women couldnt even file a complaint against domestic violence in Turkey.

Read this http://www.wwhr.org/id_637

And if you wanna read more...

http://theory.rockefeller.edu/~giannak/turkey.html
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/turkey/turk7.htm
http://www.irct.org/usr/irct/home.nsf/unid/BKEN-5HLGAN
http://www.fidh.org/article.php3?id_article=522

Human Rights Violations In Turkey Jan-Apr 2004

I. RIGHT TO LIFE

I.1. Extrajudicial Executions

Killed and injured by security forces In Stop Warnings, and violation of authority on arm use by officials, arbitrary firing


6 deaths


10 individuals wounded

I.2. Deaths and Injuries In Prisons

Suicides



3 individuals


-

People who burned themselves



3 deaths


1 individual wounded

Deaths due to a lack of medical treatment



1 individual


-

Total


7 deaths


1 individual wounded

I.3. Deaths in Police Custody


1 individual

I.5. Attacks by unidentified assailants


10 deaths


8 individuals wounded

I.6. Doubtful Deaths


5 deaths

I.7. Armed Conflicts


6 deaths


2 individuals wounded

I.8. Killed and injured by illegal organizations


4 deaths


7 individuals wounded

I.9. Official Negligence and Fault

Suicides of police and gendarmerie


2 individuals


-

Who attempted to suicides


1 individual


-

I.10. People Attacked

University Students



-


7 individuals wounded

Journalists



-


5 individuals wounded

Members and executives of political parties



22 deaths


366 individuals wounded

Teachers



2 deaths


3 individuals wounded

Members of Trade Unions



-


4 individuals wounded

Local Executives



-


2 individuals wounded

Others



-


7 individuals wounded

Total


24 deaths


394 individuals wounded

I.11. Deaths and injuries due to Explosion of Landmines and Unidentified Ordinances


2 deaths


12 individuals wounded

Asylum seekers and migrants



22 individuals


-

I.13. Torture and Ill Inhuman or degrading treatments or punishments




I.13.1. Torture and ill treatment under police custody



98 individuals

I.13.2. Ill treatment and torture outside of the official detention premises



139 individuals

I.13.3. Torture and ill treatments by village guards



4 individuals

I.13.4. Torture and ill treatments in prisons



11 individuals

I.13.5. Violence in Schools



6 individuals

I.13.6. Injured and beaten by security forces during social demonstrations



51 individuals

I.13.7. Threatened and forced to be reporter



27 individuals

Total


336 individuals

II. LIBERTY and PERSONAL SECURITY

II.2. Individuals taken under detention arbitrarily


1827 individuals

Asylum seekers and migrants taken under detention



232 individuals

Total


2059 individuals

II.3. Individuals arrested


229 individuals

III. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION

III.1. Bans, restrictions, seizures

Banned Publications and Activities



14 (5 celebrations regarding Newroz, 2 festivals, 1 art and poetry competition, 2 posters, 1 stand, 1 activity of a campaign and 2 Kurdish Songs from broadcasting)

Banned and Confiscated Books



1

Banned and Confiscated Journals



1 (6 volumes in total)

Banned and Confiscated Newspapers



1 (1 issue in total)

Total


3 (1 book, 1 book and 1 newspaper; Confiscation on a book written by Muzaffer hahaha304;lhan Erdost and 8 books written by hahaha304;smail Behahaha351;ikçi was ended; ban on 15 book written by Behahaha351;ikçi is stil continuing )

Closed newspapers and journals



1 (5 days in total)

III.2. Raided newspapers and publishing houses


8 (4 associations, 3 newspaper offices and 1 center for cultural and artistic activities)

III.3. Decisions of High Council for Radio and Televisions (RTÜK)




III.3.1. Televisions and radio channels suspended from broadcasting


3 (2 TV channels and 1 radio channel were suspended from broadcasting for 90 days)

III.3.2. Televisions and radio channels suspended from program


14 (A total of 27 programs of 11 TV channels and 3 radio channels were suspending)

III.3.3. Warnings given for radio and television channels


93 (40 TV channels and 53 radio channels were warned 124 times.)

III.3.4. Television and radio channels whose defenses were asked


19 (18 TV channels and 1 radio channel)

III.4. Investigations Launched against people who expressed their thoughts


17 (Against 145 individuals)

III.5. Trials Launched against people as they expressed their thoughts

Trials Launched at the period between January and March


A total of 634 years 2 months imprisonment sentence were demanded in 21 trials launched against 167individuals.

Trials launched under article 312 of the Turkish Criminal Code


6 (103 individuals)

Trials launched under article 169 of the Turkish Criminal Code


1 (12 individuals)

Trials launched under article 159 of the Turkish Criminal Code


3 (5 individuals)

Trials launched under article 7 of the Anti Terror Law



6 (30 individuals)

Others


5 (17 individuals)

Concluded Trials at the period between January and March


7 individual was acquitted in 20 concluded trials, 4 trial dropped, 29 individuals were sentenced to 18 year 5 month 15 day imprisonment and fine?s 22 billion 3 million 338 thousand Turkish Liras. A total of 2 year 9 month 15 day imprisonment was converted fine?s 7 billion 26 million 115 Turkish. 6 month imprisonment and 218 million fine sentences were postponed.

(Note: Two of the fine decisions were made as redress: Newspaper ?Vakit?-614 billion and Newspaper ?Türkiye?de Cuma? - 30 billion Turkish Liras)

IV. FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION AND DEMONSTRATION

IV.1. Raided or restricted by security forces Associations and demonstrations


25 (pres meeting, demonstration, marches, meetings and other activities)

IV.2. Activities Banned


9 (press meeting , marches and other activities)

Investigations Launched


Administrative investigation against 667 individuals were launched, Judicial Investigation was launched against 164 individuals.

Trials Launched at the period between January and March


1740 years imprisonment sentences were demanded in 11 trials launched against 392 individuals.

Resulted Trials


51 individual were acquitted in 7 resulted trials and investigations. 83 individuals were sentenced to a total of 95 years 11 months 2 days imprisonment and fine?s 1 billion 740 million Turkish Liras. A total of 21 years 2 months imprisonment sentences were postponed. 25 doctors were given ?warning?, 10 doctors were given ?disapproval?, 7 doctors? salaries were reduced, 12 teachers were suspended from grade, and 23 teachers were dismissed from their duties for 3 months.

V. FREEDOM TO ORGANIZE

V.1. Raided Political Organizations


2 (DEHAP?s Sultanbeyli and Karayazhahaha305; Branches)

V.2. Investigations Launched


7 (against 20 individuals)

V.4. Organizations Closures (A judicial proceedings)


9 (Muhahaha351; Branch Office of the TUHAD-DER and an election Office were permanently closed; The Local of the Diyarbakhahaha305;r Consumers Rights Association (Tüketici Haklarhahaha305; Dernehahaha287;i Lokali) was closed for 7 days. Trials against Milli Gençlik Vakfhahaha305;, TKP and DEHAP are still pending. Investigation against HAK-PAR was launched. Trials against Thahaha304;HV (HRFT) and Mersin THÖD were resulted and acquittal decision was given. )

Nothing listed below is older than 2001

1. United States - Abu Gurab, Guantanamo bay, Iraq civilians

2. Canadian security certificates allowing people to be detained without due process.
Language cops in Quebec.

3. London - Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was killed by police.

4. France - Violates its Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 1-Attacks the church of scientology.

5. Germany -Immigrants are forbidden from obtaining free legal advice. - Only country in the world where it is forbidden to altruistically give free legal advice.
Germany is condemned because of violations of freedom of opinion and freedom of association by the European Court of Human Rights. But the German courts do not respect this judgement.

6. Italy - Italy is increasingly placing asylum-seekers in detention in violation of international refugee standards.
People in temporary holding centres have been subjected to physical assault by law enforcement officers and supervisory staff and to excessive and abusive administration of sedative and tranquillizing drugs. Many experience difficulties in gaining access to the expert advice necessary to challenge the legality of their detention and of expulsion orders. Tension in the centres is high, with frequent protests, including escape attempts, and high levels of self-harm. The centres are often overcrowded, with unsuitable infrastructures, unhygienic living conditions and unsatisfactory medical care.

For those geographically challenged, Turkey spans both the european and asian continents. (please consult a map and look in the area of Istanbul).

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/oca...turkey.map.jpg

thus, their claim for application into EU.



Fight the mapless!

Hey Metro, are you turkish or have a turkish background? :)

Having them join the EU is not a good thing. It means the rich countries have to pay even more and they get an open invitation to come in even greater numbers to Holland. Besides, their culture is so way off it wouldn't blend with the EU culture.

Btw, what happened with the discussion of Holland contributing way too much money to our friend Baroso.

Why do you think over 50% in the prisoners here is foreigner, while the total population of Holland is only like 10% foreigner.

don't forget what the turks did to armenians

http://www.theforgotten.org/intro.html

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/map-full.htm

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...enian_Genocide

Well... that's gonna suck for them. They get fucked for trying to cheat the system. I highly doubt Turkey will be in the EU anytime soon though...

Turkey will make further progress in human rights inside EU and that will be the outcome by slowly removing the military control that still exists there. Turks are not different than Greeks, Dutchs or British people. I strongly believe that and I have experienced it. Under certain conditions they can be fanaticized, but no more than the rest. I believe they should be given a logical time-frame to meet further requirements.

Many europeans do not want Turkey because they are afraid the immigration and the impact it will have in the work place. I fully understand it and it's a concern that has to be seen, but I find it unacceptable to make use of other excuses to express their concerns. If you say you don't like turks you are nothing more than the negative imagine you have about them in your mind.

most of Turkey isnt even in Europe, but in Asia...whats next? China in the EU?

Fuck em.