GTS Mark

My name is Bob, and I am Canadian I am a minority in Vancouver, Banff, and every casino in this country.

I was born in 1945 , yet I am responsible for some native's great great grandfather who screwed himself out of his land in the 1800's.

I pay import tax on cars made in Ontario.

I am allowed to skydive and smoke, but not allowed to drive without a seat belt.

All the money I make up until mid July must go to paying taxes.

I live and work among people who believe Americans are ignorant. These same people cannot name this country's new territory.

Although I am sometimes forced to live on Kraft dinner and don't have a pot to piss in, I sleep well knowing that I've helped purchase a nice six figure home in Vancouver or Mississauga for some unskilled refugee.

Although they are unpatriotic and constantly try to separate, Quebec still provides my nation's prime ministers.

95% of my nation's international conflicts are over fish.

I'm supposed to call black people African Canadians, although I'm sure none of them have ever been to Africa, or east of Halifax for that matter.

I believe that paying a 200% tax on alcohol is fair.

I believe that the same tax on gasoline is also fair???

Even if I have no idea what happened to that old rifle my grandfather gave me when I was 14, I will be considered a criminal if I don't register it.

I often badmouth the United States and then vacation there three times a year. (Oh Yes)

I believe spending $15 billion to promote the French language in the rest of Canada is fair when the province of Quebec doesn't support or recognize the English language. (Aren't we nice?)

I'm led to believe that some lazy ass unionized broom pusher who makes $30 an hour is underpaid and therefore must go on strike, but paying $10 an hour to someone who works 12 hour shifts at forty below on an oil rig is fair.

I believe that paying $30 million for 3 Stripes ("The Voice of Fire") by the National Art Gallery was a good purchase, even though 99% of this country didn't want it or will ever see it.

When I look at my pay stub and realize that I take home a third of what I actually make, I say "Oh well, at least we have better health care than the Americans."

I must bail out farmers when their crops are too wet or too dry because I control the rain.

My national anthem has versions in both official languages and I don't know either of them.

Canada is the highest taxed nation in North America, the biggest military buffer for the United States, and the number one destination for fleeing terrorists.

I am not an angry white male. I am an angry taxpayer who is broke.

My name is Bob, and I am Canadian.

RoCkMaN

Bravo! Well said. I couldn't have done it better myself.

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Bob can afford gas? Lucky bastard!

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Damn, as a hardcore Liberal that hurts!
mostly because it's true

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Paul Waters

Some truth some bullshit.

But I here ya!

Just remember that there are few truly Canadian breweries left:

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Must be amazing to be Canadian

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Lance69

You have no Idea!
Truthfully I've spent that last 10 years travelling the world and everytime I come back I do my best Dorothy impression..there's no place like home!
As for the Beer, I love the amount of homegrown microbrews on the west coast! Molson and Labatt's are good every once in a while but I love my Vancouver Island Breweries, and Honourable mention to Granville Island!
Cheers and Beers!

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well said.

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you didn't mention the amazing weed we have

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Grown in abandoned breweries!

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Elli

Yep, there's no place like home

But the taxes do suck badly. At least hockey is back on! Wooooot!

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Spunky

If it wasn't for the damn taxes it would be perfect

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LOL cute and for the most part, so very true. Gas prices are up today as high as $1.37 a ltr. Unfreakingreal the gouging that's going on!

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damn straight, go canucks!

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mm.. I love Banff

Kevsh

Another season of watching the Leafs do great during the season, then load up on 45-year-old has-beens at the deadline, kick Ottawa's ass in the first/second round before getting dumped badly in the next round ... and all the papers and radio call-in shows wonder why ...

I am Gord and I'm a (long-suffering) Leaf fan

(I, however, am Kevsh and I've never been a Leafs fan, thank God)

montrealpornking

Yah Canada is great. They fuck you all the way with the taxes and then make you think the medical program is free.
It ain't free, you are paying for it in your high taxes people and some extra left over.
Why do you think Canada has money left over at the end of the year and always has a positive cash flow in the last few years.

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NoWhErE

If Canada would lower their tax on alcohol, it would be the perfect place to live in!

Lance69

Still though, my trainier in the US pays over 600/month in medical insurance! And obviously that's on top of his taxes. Gimme a few extra % of income tax so I don't have to deal with that anyday.

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broke

I love Montreal, but the VAT is a killer.

I could spend a week in most places in Europe for the cost of a weekend in Quebec.

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Elli

Don't get me started on Canucks' heartaches. Now who do we have in net? Dan Cloutier? *sigh*

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CDSmith

Exactly. Many people have their thinking on this completely ass-backwards. I would rather pay a little bit higher taxes than have the high private health insurance rates that many americans do. One of my family members in recent years had a 2-month stay in hospital. In the good ol' USA that stay would have cost our family over $100k easy... but here, on the day she was discharged, they handed us no bill whatsoever. Zero. Nothing.

O Canada!

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detoxed

the differenence is all the healthy people paid poor ole grannies medical bills

digi

Its always funny as a european to hear northern americans complain about their taxes.

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Calling a Canadian a "northern american" while geographically accurate is pretty insulting.

We are not americans.

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Go Leafs GO!

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Elli

I was thinking he meant "North Americans".

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aico

Why is it funny? But, then again, other than Monty Python, I never really got the European sense of humor.

MetroPornTour

I'm a Quebecoise!

I feel your pain.. But really 3 vacations a year in the united states. I can't afford that!

Do what Quebec does. Stock you shelves with cheap american shit beer and give them even cheaper hookers. They will bring all the cross - border shopping goods you need for you.

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WarChild

Only applies to the lower tax brackets.

For example, the last real job I had was a project manager. I made $90,000 a year and my combined income tax rate was around 43%.

My mother, an American, makes closer to $200,000 a year and her tax rate is somewhere in the mid-high 20%'s .. The number I seem to remember is about 27%.

The difference in our taxes, even on my substanially lower income, was about 16%. $90,000 * .16 = $14400. $14,400 / 12 = $1200 per month. Gee, $600 a month for health insurance sounds like a bargain to me, considering I'd have $600 more in my pocket every month. Being in the top tax bracket, I also had to pay in to my own health plan each year, it's not truly free. Prescription coverage not even included at this point. Thankfully my employer covered that.

If I had have been making $200,000 in Canada, the difference would have been even more staggering.

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davidd

Please refer to this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=512818

You are basing your opinions on shit that is fed to you by the media. Count up how much taxes you pay for your medical care... then factor in the waiting periods for operations, and then research how much health insurance costs in the USA and you will see just how much you are being bent over. Also factor in how much a healthy person, non smoker, non-aids infected, needs health care under the age of 50... Are your eyes opening a little?

I will make it easier for you as most people with the socialist pie in the sky attitude find it hard to research things that may shatter their belief system.

Here is a quote on Health Insurance in the USA, when you see it, you might say, "WHY IS THE MEDIA TELLING ME IT IS A MAJOR ISSUE"

This quote is for a Single Male, age 32, non-smoker BUYING THE POLICY HIMSELF, MEANING NO ADVANTAGE OF GROUP DISCOUNTS (COMPANY SUPPLIED):

$2500 deductible (you pay $2500 then everything else is paid by the insurance company) $47 a month * 12 months = $564 a year.

$1000 deductible raised the monthly premimum to about $65

And did you also know that is most states in the USA, the poor and CHILDREN are given healthcare for free? Check out this link: http://www.floridakidcare.com

Oh, how horrible health insurance is in the USA... cry me a fucking river. Or Better yet, continue to believe what is fed to you, to justify your socialized medicine. The sheep who believe high taxes are justified are too blind to realize their money is being STOLEN!

Why is it every Canadian I know that lives in Florida for 4 months, while it is sub-artic in Canada, they all say, "I would rather be treated here, as I do not have to be put on a waiting list"

As an aside, your same argument is screamed from the rooftops in France, where they too accept the tax raping because they are told to look to the big evil USA's health 'CRISIS'.

WarChild

Luckily for me I now live in the tropics where I pay no income tax and enjoy warm weather year round. I'll go back to Canada to visit for the summers, because the summers are very nice. To maintain non-resident status I only need to spend 6 months plus a day outside of Canada each year.

I can't even tell you how much better I sleep at night knowing my money is in my bank account and not supporting natives, single welfare mothers and the French.

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Cloutier, egad. Okay I feel a little bit better... Good luck with all that !

facialfreak

HUH???

When did we become part of the EU? I must have been too stoned and missed that memo!

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LMAO!

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Canada has to keep prices in line with the US which contributes somewhat.

davidd

You, my friend, truly understand.

I bang my head against the wall trying to tell people the harsh realities of nationalistic pride, and believing the party line.

People who have never lived outside their country of birth, in a place that takes them out of their comfort zone. Only then can they assess the entire situation with a clearer view.

If you are being raped in taxes, paying for services you never use, and accept this as being okay... You need to be deprogrammed. Before you reply, your reply will merely demonstrate your programming.

Look at this seriously:

You work in a country, and provide for yourself (and family), your government, often times in a distant place, completely does not support the views you hold to be righteous... You work 3 months, 4 months, 5 months, for this government's taxes... who's entire stated goal is to spend your tax dollars. They tell you that it is okay, and use a scape goat, that they themselves have demonized. You accept it as just, smoke some more weed (which they also endorse), and everything is okay. All the while claiming anyone else who points out the holes in this system, is a sheep, and simply does not understand.

Until people realize they are a consumer and the government's of the world are a vendor, your view is not clear. As a consumer you have the right to choose a different vendor that caters to your wants and desires. If you feel your country caters to all of your needs and paying whole chunks of a year's hard labor is justified, then stay. You are blessed, as this is a rare occurance.

broke

Fine -- what do you call your tax that adds 50%+ a night to each night in a hotel?

Came as quite a surprise when my $80/night hotel ended up being more like $140/night post tax.



Sorry I got the acronym wrong.

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CDSmith

BAh, if you don't like it in Canada then fucking move. Me I have it damned good where i am dude, and I have an investment guy that handles all my money and does my income tax for me, and if you knew what you were talking about you'd quit chirping out all that tripe and rethink your position.

As for health care, the only waiting list I've ever been on was to see a specialist, and that was a 3 month wait. If you need to go to the Emergency room (at least here in Winnipeg) and your situation IS an emergency, you get seen immediately or nearly so, depending on how severe it is and how busy they are. Life-threatening emergencies obviously take priority, always.

I've never had to wait nor has anyone I know, to be admitted to the hospital. Dude I've worked in health care for 15 years here, and the only time I've seen or heard people complain about waiting times for surgery (depending on the type of surgery of course) is when the nurses went out on strike back in the early 90's for a month. The backlog for open-heart surgery then was a few weeks to a month.... which was bad. But it isn't that long of a wait now, my old neighbor who lives across the street from my parents had a bypass last year with zero waiting time. As in zero.

And, Canadians are free to head south of the border if they ever feel that for their ailment they have to wait too long. If you don't want to wait to see a specialist here then go south and pay.

And with smart investments and business write-offs etc, one does not have to pay 40+ % in income tax. Try getting a financial advisor who knows the drill.

How many americans have we seen on this very board post about how their hospital stay ended up costing them $100k or more? Lots. Go ask pr0 just how much his medical bills were in the past few years. I would so rather have it come out of my taxes than be slapped with a huge bill every time someone in the family needs a surgery or whatever.

Final note: When I was working a job for a living, my income tax deduction was set to 22%-25% always, and I always got a refund back every year.

For that and many other reasons, I'm sorry but in my mind Canada wins, period. Don't agree? That's your right, and I'm fine with leaving it at that.

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CDSmith

Of course you have it good weather-wise and income-tax-wise.... but the question on my mind for you would be..... what things are you giving up in order to live there?

What I mean is.... Well let me first say that the only place I know of that has no income tax on it's people is the Caymen Islands, are there other places similar?

I would be wondering what the standard of health care is like..... what the overall "security" of the country is, and how well-looked-after I'd be in the event of a large scale disaster. Case in point; I've visited Mexico several times, and although tempting in many ways I just don't know if I'd want to live there permanently. In Canada I know that our country is, well, basically safe and secure. I know that our hospitals are as modern and up-to-date as any in the world, and that our government is less likely to go through a military takeover or coup d'etat like some of the banana-republics of the world have experienced.

If you have found a place that allays all those concerns (and possibly others), then by all means if you're feeling charitable please share with me what you've found that's good in the place you now reside. For starters... what country is it? Or... is it an island that is annexed by another country?

Thanks.

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WarChild

I wonder what the two justices on the Supreme Court of Canada were thinking when in striking down the law that denied a man in Quebec access to private health insurance they wrote "Access to waiting is not access to healthcare".

"The Canadian Supreme Court last month struck down a prohibition in Quebec province on private health insurance, citing the existence of lengthy waiting lists for services under the country's publicly funded nationalized health service. "

The Surpreme Court, after considering the evidence seems to agree that there are waiting lists, and long ones at that. Naturally one can't wait for life saving surgery, but should you have to wait 9 months for a hip replacement?

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Wonderful for those of us who own our own business. Not so wonderful for those who are employed by others.
Read my post above, for the higher tax brackets, it would be substanially cheaper to buy health insurance and have an American tax structure.

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davidd

Jesus Christ, finally someone that can deliver a clear response with clear facts presented. I am shaking your hand virtually. It is a rare occurance to see anyone back up their shit with more than one sentence. Whether we agree or not, you have my respect for atleast thinking and clearly stating your case.

Hats off my friend.

I am a US person, but I wanted to clear up the misconception (which you did push in your post) that the USA is horrendous for health care. It you are the average citizen that would rather load up on material possessions and throw caution to the wind, you are fucked. The biggest issue is the mindset of the USA people that nothing bad will ever happen and when it does it is not their responsibility.

My original point -> Don't believe the shit. I showed in my post health insurance is not an issue for those that have looked at and dealt with the situation.

In your post though, you made a point that I must point out... Why should a citizen of a sovereign nation need tax people and accountants to have the upper hand with their government? Bigger issue is at what point do the peope say, "This is my government, I am not the government's bitch". Unfortunately people have fallen into a long sleep and have just accepted things as they are. This mindset did not always exist!

Again, a pleasure having a dialog with you.

WarChild

I am currently living in Costa Rica. It's considered the jewel of Central America. I highly recommend it for a place to live or vacation.

Costa Rica has a geographic tax law. You pay income tax on money you earn in Costa Rica. I earn most of my money from the United States.

There is no army at all in Costa Rica making a coup impossible.

Healthcare and education?

Costa Rica: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/cs.html

Infant mortality rate:
total: 9.95 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 76.84 years

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 96%

Canada: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ca.html

Infant mortality rate:
total: 4.75 deaths/1,000 live births

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 80.1 years

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 97% (1986 est.)

Clearly, Costa Rica is no Mexico. If you'd like to know more, feel free to hit me up anytime!

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davidd

My friend, I will explain something to you I learned a long time ago.

There are those that have an open mind and there are those that think they have an open mind (this is not direct at CDSMITH).

I was born in Boston, Massachuetts. It is known as "The Hud Of The Universe", unfortunately to only those that live there.

Since the day I could understand English, I was told... This is it. This is the best place in the world, do not bother to look elsewhere.

Now think of that... telling a child who relies on his surroundings for the TRUTH. Everyone telling you, "Massachusetts is it" "We have the best schools, the best people, the best EVERYTHING".

This is true for most parts of the USA. People are indoctrinated into believing that where they live was a gift from god, and they should not question it.

I left, but unfortunately my brother and sisters who were programmed with this madness are still dealing with the high taxes, crime, exploding home prices, etc etc

I commend you on your desire to tell people of a better life, but unfortunately few have the mind to listen or even understand what you are saying.

It amazes me, North America was ever discovered. It is that small percentage of society that realizes there must be some place better.

I said goodbye to the high crime, the high taxes, the countless problems in Massachusetts 10 years ago, and never went back. You will find the same thing with people you know who still live where you came from, they all still believe what was told them from a young age "This is Utopia".

davidd

Mexico is NOT Costa Rica. Costa Rica is a great country with some of the most beautiful spaces you will ever see.

Do not placate a country because of what you have seen, perceived, or have been programmed to believe about your home country. Nationalistic pride has killed too many people. I do not say this to belittle you, I say this to hopefully introduce the concept that all Nation State's objective is to keep their feed of survival in place (tax dollars).

Costa Rica is protected by the USA. Please hold your jabs and comments. Canada is also protected by the USA which has enabled our friends to the north to not have to expend vast sums of money on military. This is a lengthy issue, please do not use it to avoid the discussion in this thread. I know Canada is not a war mongering nation.

You mentioned weather in passing like it was nothing to consider. Weather as proven by study after study drastically effects mood. I lived in the NE of the USA and the weather fucked me up. When I finally moved out of the Tundra and into a place that I could actually live for 10 months of the year, the attitude change was a paradigm shift. People often retort with "I love to ski" "I love to ski mobile"... Okay, these are fine recreations, but what about the other days of the week you need to put on 5 layers, have your fingers so cold you can not move them, and deal with Cabin Fever of having to stay inside to remain ALIVE.

I could go forever, but trust me when I say, if you put down your instilled nationalistic pride (or city, state, etc) and look at another area with a clear mind... only then can you evaluate an area.

CDSmith

Thanks right back at you for your prior response to me. you'll find that I can and will converse with someone without calling them a dickfaced fucktard at every percieved slight or minor disagreement. :D

Now, on to your latest comments...

I know.

Wrong. I mentioned weather in passing as if it was a given. I know full well that the weather in his "tropical nation" would be better than where I am, overall. Don't get me wrong, Canadians see some pretty damned fine days, incredible sunrises & sunsets, hot sunny days and clear cold winter days, amazing fall days with all the leaves turning, and spring days like nowhere else on earth.... it just depends where you live is all.

You took my meaning all wrong on that point. Let's continue....

I take it you're not a hockey player then? lol... I grew up eating, sleeping and breathing hockey. When we weren't on skates we'd be out on the front street playing road hockey, or down the basement taking shots on the net. (the hockey net I got for christmas)

Snowball fights.
Outdoor winter festivals (we have them hear in Winnipeg every winter, Festival du voyageur etc)

Winter is a part of Winnipeggers, and anyone who really hates the length of our winters here are of course free to fly south and vacash for 2, 3, or 10 weeks. I did so more than a few times in past years.

Agreed, but I hesitate to admit that I suffer from that affliction. My pride for where I live is born out of A) living here and knowing what it's like first-hand, and B) having travelled and breifly lived in several other places over the years, I can actually compare here to there. If I'm not first-hand familiar with a location I always seem to be able to find someone who is, and I get my information on that place/city/country that way.

I'm not really looking to move, but I am open to it, if that makes any sense. I realize there are other places in the world that have a lot to offer a person, it's just a matter of finding one that fits my idea of "better". I am a traveller at heart, I love seeing and experiencing new places and different people, but having said all that the thing I'm left wanting to say is that we have it pretty damned good right here where I am, for many reasons. It's a tough place to beat, and I'd miss it if I ever do move away.

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davidd

It is not a bad thing to love your country and where you live. It is one of things that makes a country great. Although never forget that if your country feels it has the upper hand, there are other places to live.

I will openly admit, I find cold weather and winter to be miserable, SO I AM BIASED (Why is it so hard for people to say this?). There are those that love it, and have found constructive use of this season. I dread it, mainly because I worked outside for too many years, and remember the days of having to put my hands over the woodstove, hoping to regain feeling sometime within the hour ;)

I will take your comments as a recommendation on your home, and that in itself is a reason to visit.

Have a great night... It is now 5am in Spain, and it is time for bed ;)