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Originally Posted by CDSmith
BAh, if you don't like it in Canada then fucking move. Me I have it damned good where i am dude, and I have an investment guy that handles all my money and does my income tax for me, and if you knew what you were talking about you'd quit chirping out all that tripe and rethink your position.
As for health care, the only waiting list I've ever been on was to see a specialist, and that was a 3 month wait. If you need to go to the Emergency room (at least here in Winnipeg) and your situation IS an emergency, you get seen immediately or nearly so, depending on how severe it is and how busy they are. Life-threatening emergencies obviously take priority, always.
I've never had to wait nor has anyone I know, to be admitted to the hospital. Dude I've worked in health care for 15 years here, and the only time I've seen or heard people complain about waiting times for surgery (depending on the type of surgery of course) is when the nurses went out on strike back in the early 90's for a month. The backlog for open-heart surgery then was a few weeks to a month.... which was bad. But it isn't that long of a wait now, my old neighbor who lives across the street from my parents had a bypass last year with zero waiting time. As in zero.
And, Canadians are free to head south of the border if they ever feel that for their ailment they have to wait too long. If you don't want to wait to see a specialist here then go south and pay.
And with smart investments and business write-offs etc, one does not have to pay 40+ % in income tax. Try getting a financial advisor who knows the drill.
How many americans have we seen on this very board post about how their hospital stay ended up costing them $100k or more? Lots. Go ask pr0 just how much his medical bills were in the past few years. I would so rather have it come out of my taxes than be slapped with a huge bill every time someone in the family needs a surgery or whatever.
Final note: When I was working a job for a living, my income tax deduction was set to 22%-25% always, and I always got a refund back every year.
For that and many other reasons, I'm sorry but in my mind Canada wins, period. Don't agree? That's your right, and I'm fine with leaving it at that.
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Jesus Christ, finally someone that can deliver a clear response with clear facts presented. I am shaking your hand virtually. It is a rare occurance to see anyone back up their shit with more than one sentence. Whether we agree or not, you have my respect for atleast thinking and clearly stating your case.
Hats off my friend.
I am a US person, but I wanted to clear up the misconception (which you did push in your post) that the USA is horrendous for health care. It you are the average citizen that would rather load up on material possessions and throw caution to the wind, you are fucked. The biggest issue is the mindset of the USA people that nothing bad will ever happen and when it does it is not their responsibility.
My original point -> Don't believe the shit. I showed in my post health insurance is not an issue for those that have looked at and dealt with the situation.
In your post though, you made a point that I must point out... Why should a citizen of a sovereign nation need tax people and accountants to have the upper hand with their government? Bigger issue is at what point do the peope say, "This is my government, I am not the government's bitch". Unfortunately people have fallen into a long sleep and have just accepted things as they are. This mindset did not always exist!
Again, a pleasure having a dialog with you.