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Old 09-02-2005, 06:33 PM   #1
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Katrina time line

Monday morning storm hits land. Tuesday the levee's are breached. 24 hours=1 day. Wednesday...24 hours after the levee's are breached...rescue efforts begin and thousands are rescued from roof tops. 48 hours=2 days. Thusday more people rescued...thousands evacuated to Texas and other areas. 72 hours=3 days. Friday...today...more people rescued...thousands more evacuated to Texas and other areas...heavily loaded supply trucks enter New Orleans...more than a thousand troops enter the city...800 helicopers in action in Lousiana and Mississippi...ships stationed off shore. 96 hours=4 days.
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Old 09-02-2005, 06:34 PM   #2
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You are an imbecile if you are suggesting that the emergency repsonse to this disaster was adequate. There was an absolute emergency preparedness failure on the local, State, and Federal levels for the disaster which has befallen Louisiana, Mississippi and other portions of the Gulf Coast struck by Hurricane Katrina.

Unlike somewhat unpredictable disasters such as earthquakes, there were studies of likely scenarios that would occur should the Gulf Coast suffer a hurricane equal to or greater than Katrina. Since you like timelines, even though there was ample time to understand the magnitude of the emminent disaster, the proper steps were not taken to cope with it.

The fact is, Dubya was too busy vacationing and fundraising to bother with what was to come...

Your response is simply to shrug at the massive loss of life and utter chaos and the accompanying breakdown of civil order, and say that what was done was timely and appropriate.

I sincerely hope that you are never put in a position of responsibility for emergency response, since you have not a clue how to even understand, let alone deal with pain and suffering on the scale that is being experienced currently in the affected areas.

For those of you who wish to give help and not simply pay lip service to a failed response, here are some people and resources that can help:

?haNetwork for Good
?haAmerican Red Cross -- (800) HELP-NOW
?haFeed the Children -- (800) 525-7575
?haSalvation Army -- (800) SAL-ARMY
?haFlorida Hurricane Relief Fund
?haAmerica's Second Harvest -- (800) 771-2303
?haCatholic Charities USA -- (800) 919-9338
?haB'nai B'rith International -- (888) 388-4224
?haUnited Jewish Communities
?haUnion for Reform Judaism
?haChurch World Service -- (800) 297-1516 ext 222
?haMercyCorps -- (888) 256-1900
?haNoah?s Wish -- (530) 622-9313
?haNorth Shore Animal League -- (877) 4savepet
?haOperation Blessing -- (800) 730-2537
?haEpiscopal Relief and Development -- (800) 334-7626
?haHabitat for Humanity -- (800) HABITAT
?haThe United Way -- (800) 272-4630
?haHumane Society of America -- (888) 259-5431
?haASPCA -- (866) 275-3923
?haLutheran Disaster Response -- (800) 638-3522
?haMennonite Disaster Service -- (800) 348-7468
?haWater Missions International -- (843) 769-7395
?haUnited Methodist Committee on Relief -- (800) 554-8583
?haThe Baton Rouge Area Foundation -- (877) 387-6126
?haSociety of St. Vincent de Paul
?haSamaritan?s Purse -- (800) 665-2843
?haChristian Reformed World Relief Committee -- (800) 55-CRWRC
?haFood for the Hungry -- (877) 780-4261 ext 2506
?haNorthwest Medical Teams -- (800) 959-4325
?haWorld Relief -- (800) 535-5433
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"FEMA is moving supplies of generators, water, ice and food into the region for immediate deployment once the storm passes. FEMA?s Urban Search & Rescue (USAR) and Disaster Medical Assistance Teams (DMATs) are also staged for immediate response anywhere in the region. The funding and direct federal assistance will assist law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters and other emergency protective measures."

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Monday morning storm hits land. Tuesday the levee's are breached. 24 hours=1 day. Wednesday...24 hours after the levee's are breached...rescue efforts begin and thousands are rescued from roof tops. 48 hours=2 days. Thusday more people rescued...thousands evacuated to Texas and other areas. 72 hours=3 days. Friday...today...more people rescued...thousands more evacuated to Texas and other areas...heavily loaded supply trucks enter New Orleans...more than a thousand troops enter the city...800 helicopers in action in Lousiana and Mississippi...ships stationed off shore. 96 hours=4 days.

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Old 09-02-2005, 07:24 PM   #8
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You are an imbecile if you are suggesting that the emergency repsonse to this disaster was adequate. There was an absolute emergency preparedness failure on the local, State, and Federal levels for the disaster which has befallen Louisiana, Mississippi and other portions of the Gulf Coast struck by Hurricane Katrina.

Unlike somewhat unpredictable disasters such as earthquakes, there were studies of likely scenarios that would occur should the Gulf Coast suffer a hurricane equal to or greater than Katrina. Since you like timelines, even though there was ample time to understand the magnitude of the emminent disaster, the proper steps were not taken to cope with it.

The fact is, Dubya was too busy vacationing and fundraising to bother with what was to come...

Your response is simply to shrug at the massive loss of life and utter chaos and the accompanying breakdown of civil order, and say that what was done was timely and appropriate.

I sincerely hope that you are never put in a position of responsibility for emergency response, since you have not a clue how to even understand, let alone deal with pain and suffering on the scale that is being experienced currently in the affected areas.

For those of you who wish to give help and not simply pay lip service to a failed response, here are some people and resources that can help:

?haNetwork for Good
?haAmerican Red Cross -- (800) HELP-NOW
?haFeed the Children -- (800) 525-7575
?haSalvation Army -- (800) SAL-ARMY
?haFlorida Hurricane Relief Fund
?haAmerica's Second Harvest -- (800) 771-2303
?haCatholic Charities USA -- (800) 919-9338
?haB'nai B'rith International -- (888) 388-4224
?haUnited Jewish Communities
?haUnion for Reform Judaism
?haChurch World Service -- (800) 297-1516 ext 222
?haMercyCorps -- (888) 256-1900
?haNoah?s Wish -- (530) 622-9313
?haNorth Shore Animal League -- (877) 4savepet
?haOperation Blessing -- (800) 730-2537
?haEpiscopal Relief and Development -- (800) 334-7626
?haHabitat for Humanity -- (800) HABITAT
?haThe United Way -- (800) 272-4630
?haHumane Society of America -- (888) 259-5431
?haASPCA -- (866) 275-3923
?haLutheran Disaster Response -- (800) 638-3522
?haMennonite Disaster Service -- (800) 348-7468
?haWater Missions International -- (843) 769-7395
?haUnited Methodist Committee on Relief -- (800) 554-8583
?haThe Baton Rouge Area Foundation -- (877) 387-6126
?haSociety of St. Vincent de Paul
?haSamaritan?s Purse -- (800) 665-2843
?haChristian Reformed World Relief Committee -- (800) 55-CRWRC
?haFood for the Hungry -- (877) 780-4261 ext 2506
?haNorthwest Medical Teams -- (800) 959-4325
?haWorld Relief -- (800) 535-5433
?haAdventist Development Relief Agency -- (800) 424-2372
?haSouthern Baptist Convention -- (888) 571-5895
?haSave the Children -- (800) 728-3843
?haInternational Medical Corps -- (800) 481-4462
?haAmerican Friends Service Committee -- (888) 588-2378
?haAmeriCares -- (800) 486-4357
?haInternational Aid -- (800) 251-2502
?haInternational Medical Corps -- (800) 481-4462
?haInternational Orthodox Christian Charities -- (877) 803 4622
?haInternational Relief and Development, Inc. -- (703) 248-0161
?haInternational Relief Teams -- (619) 284-7979
?haInternational Rescue Committee -- (877) 733-8433
?haLife for Relief and Development -- (800) 827-3543
?haMAP International -- (866) 627-4483
?haMercy (M-USA) -- (800) 55-MERCY
?haOperation USA -- (800) 678-7255
?haOxfam America -- (800) 77OXFAM
?haRelief International -- (800) 573-3332
?haWorld Concern -- (800) 755-5022 ext. 0
?haMoveon.org: Hurricane housing

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The rescue effort was underway within 24 hours after the breech of the Levees...within 48 hours of the storm hitting land. Within 72 hours of the storm hitting land...thousands were being evacuated from the city and this is still ongoing.

Could more have been done in less time...maybe...but communications of all types were virtually eliminated...which I would assume played a negative role in the effort.

None the less rescue efforts began within 48 hours.

BTW...FYI...I donated a large amount of money to the Salvation Army...the charity of my choice.
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Old 09-02-2005, 07:27 PM   #9
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Hmm...tell us all again why your American wife committed suicide...druggy.
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You have a habit of being consistenly wrong...don't you? I am not a fan of President Bush.
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Hmm...tell us all again why your American wife committed suicide...druggy.
ahahaha.. you still believe that nice little bit of invented board drama conceived by Serge and I a few years ago.

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The federal response to a disaster is 5-7 days.

The mayor told everyone on Sat/Sun to have food and water for 5-7 days
because it will take that long for help to arrive.

The last big hurricane in Florida it took the feds about 4 days to
get in there so this is pretty much right on schedule and this is with
preplanning and staging.

What's a total breakdown is the city and the mayors actions.
The city could have used school buses starting on Saturday to
get people out like their disaster plan calls for !

They could have used ambulances to take out critical hospital patients
but they chose to ignore the evacuation because they wanted two more days
of tourist money !
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Hey King, you'll love this one.

Guess which Texas company is getting the contract to build all the refugee housing?

HALIBURTON

LOL! Now we know why they shipped them all to Houston instead of northern Louisiana which would have been more logical.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines
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Could more have been done in less time...maybe...
Maybe? There were people in "rescue shelters" for several days without food, water or adequate sanitation. Thousands more were (and continue to be) stranded and in even more dire straits due to the feeble rescue efforts undertaken in an untimely manner by the government.

Experts had been predicting such a disaster in this area for a long time. However, the Bush Administration cut funding for projects which would have shored up the levees over the past several years, while giving unprecedented huge tax cuts to the rich, running up record budgets, and increasing the national deficit (how ironic that he got elected in part by accusing the Demos of being tax and spenders - he is the biggest borrower and spender in history who has given the most relief to the least needy).

Hopefully you will never have to endure such a disaster with such an ineffective initial response.

At least your President was getting plenty of rest on his nearly five week vacation (Dubya holds the all-time Presidential vacation record), and he still had time to do some partisan political fundraising thousands of miles away while people in the South were suffering (and our military people continue to die in Iraq).

How good of Bush to stop by for some photo ops several days after the fact.

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Maybe? There were people in "rescue shelters" for several days without food, water or adequate sanitation. Thousands more were (and continue to be) stranded and in even more dire straits due to the feeble rescue efforts undertaken in an untimely manner by the government.

Experts had been predicting such a disaster in this area for a long time. However, the Bush Administration cut funding for projects which would have shored up the levees over the past several years, while giving unprecedented huge tax cuts to the rich, running up record budgets, and increasing the national deficit (how ironic that he got elected in part by accusing the Demos of being tax and spenders - he is the biggest borrower and spender in history who has given the most relief to the least needy).

Hopefully you will never have to endure such a disaster with such an ineffective initial response.

At least your President was getting plenty of rest on his nearly five week vacation (Dubya holds the all-time Presidential vacation record), and he still had time to do some partisan political fundraising thousands of miles away while people in the South were suffering (and our military people continue to die in Iraq).

How good of Bush to stop by for some photo ops several days after the fact.

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The people were warned to take food and water with them into the shelters. I personally saw at least one women who was interviewed while waiting in line to be searched prior to entering the Super Dome and she was in point asked why she did not have any food and water with her (she had only the clothes on her back). Her answer was...she expected to be supplied with food and water. At this point in time it has been approximately 108 hours since the storm hit land...approximately 72 or so hours since the levees were breached. Tens of thousands have been rescued and evacuated during this 72 hour period. How many hours could have been cut from this time...I don't know...maybe you do...how much more could have been done...I don't know...maybe you do. Is the Federal Government totally responsible for any failings...I do not think so. The failures begin with the local government...then the State Government...in my opinion. It is my understanding that the Governor initially only called up 2,000 Guardsmen. She then claimed she asked for 12,000 Guardsmen...then she claimed she asked for 40,000 Guardsmen...but when the interviewer tried to pin her down to what exactly she asked for and when...she would not answer. In addition the Federal Government does not control the Guard unless they are activated for Federal Service. State Governors control the Guard and State Governors usually have agreements with various other states for Guardsmen if they need additional help. It is up to the Governors to call for the use of their Guardsman and in what numbers and deployed to what areas...and if need be to call upon their fellow Governors...with whom they have agreements for additional help.

I have seen several officials from the Army Corp of Engineers interviewed and all of them stated that the cuts in funding did not have anything to do with the breeches in the levees. They stated that the problem with the levees is the fact that they were built to withstand a cat 3...and not a cat 4 or 5. They stated that upgrading the levees to cat 4 or cat fives was never in their foreseeable plans...and further more they stated the intended work on the 17th street canal break would not have prevented the breech in the levee.

Since I am American...yes President Bush is my President. Did I vote for Mr. Bush to become the President in either of his elections. No. Am I a fan of President Bush and/or members of his administration. No.
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Guess which Texas company is getting the contract to build all the refugee housing?

HALIBURTON

LOL! Now we know why they shipped them all to Houston instead of northern Louisiana which would have been more logical.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines
Ha...who would have figured that?
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Did I vote for Mr. Bush to become the President in either of his elections. No. Am I a fan of President Bush and/or members of his administration. No.
Are you an idiot? YES!!!

You just don't get it...

Imagine if it was members of your family who did not have the resourses to evacuate. I assume your message would be quite different.

If you don't own a car and there are not buses/other free/affordable transporation already in line to evacuate you, tell me how you are going to evacuate from an approaching (predicatable) catastrophic storm?

When you live paycheck to paycheck, or are in a hospital or in similar conditions, how are you going to stockpile reserves of food or water?

One reason we have a Federal government is to respond to national disasters such as this (unless you think it is only the local residents of LA and MS that are being affected).

Honestly, we should not even have to count on the numerous non-government disaster relief organizations and public suplimentary funding, yet as we find time and time again, they do a better job at getting relief where it is most needed.

Keep waving your pom-poms and cheering on the great LATE relief effort. Amongst the people most effected though, your cheers are falling upon deaf ears.

As I said before, hopefully you and yours will never be in such a predicament as to have to experience such a disaster, and then count on your government to come to your aid.

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Hey King, you'll love this one.

Guess which Texas company is getting the contract to build all the refugee housing?

HALIBURTON

LOL! Now we know why they shipped them all to Houston instead of northern Louisiana which would have been more logical.

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Bush gotta give some money to the ?friends? that put him in the place he is at the cost of many human lifes.
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theking, I don't know why, but I always thought you were pro-bush
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Everyone form the President down says the response to this disaster was not good enough, but thequeen says it was so what the fuck do they know.

queenie, go take some more drugs washed down by booze and all will be fine.
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Are you an idiot? YES!!!

You just don't get it...

Imagine if it was members of your family who did not have the resourses to evacuate. I assume your message would be quite different.

If you don't own a car and there are not buses/other free/affordable transporation already in line to evacuate you, tell me how you are going to evacuate from an approaching (predicatable) catastrophic storm?
Where have I spoke about anyone that should have evacuated?

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When you live paycheck to paycheck, or are in a hospital or in similar conditions, how are you going to stockpile reserves of food or water?
Hmm...a loaf of bread and a couple of cans of potted meat...four or five bottles of water...costs how much.

People were told in advance to bring food and water when they entered the shelters.

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One reason we have a Federal government is to respond to national disasters such as this (unless you think it is only the local residents of LA and MS that are being affected).

Honestly, we should not even have to count on the numerous non-government disaster relief organizations and public suplimentary funding, yet as we find time and time again, they do a better job at getting relief where it is most needed.

Keep waving your pom-poms and cheering on the great LATE relief effort. Amongst the people most effected though, your cheers are falling upon deaf ears.

As I said before, hopefully you and yours will never be in such a predicament as to have to experience such a disaster, and then count on your government to come to your aid.

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Where am I cheering anything? I am stating facts.

How many hours...or days do you think the effort should require?
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Maybe you think this is acceptable and proud of these US citizens.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02134169.htm
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Everyone form the President down says the response to this disaster was not good enough, but thequeen says it was so what the fuck do they know.

queenie, go take some more drugs washed down by booze and all will be fine.
Wrong again cluless. I don't know why you bother to speak. The President stated that he was pleased with the "response" but not the "results".
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theking, I don't know why, but I always thought you were pro-bush
No he's just pro anything US and blind to it's failings. He thinks critisizing something when it's wrong is unpatriotic. Most people think the opposite, they see it as putting things right.

Can you imagine the goverment that would be in power if all thought like him? You would still be fighting in Vietnam if it were not for the war protestors, people theclown thinks were wrong.
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I am stating facts.

How many hours...or days do you think the effort should require?
I stand by my original post...

Considering that this disaster was predicted and predicatable, I would say that effective relief should have arrived as soon as the main storm had past, and Government provided evacuation support should have occured before the storm even hit.

Preventative measures (such as shoring up the old levees), should have been done well in advance of the storm. Even without that, the disaster response had ample time to be organized, staged, and implmented, without the loss of life and suffering that occured.

I am simply amazed that you are so delighted with the timely wonderful response to the disaster. Tell it to the people who have lost their worldly possessions, and those who have lost their loved ones.

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I stand by my original post...

Considering that this disaster was predicted and predicatable, I would say that effective relief should have arrived as soon as the main storm had past, and Government provided evacuation support should have occured before the storm even hit.

Preventative measures (such as shoring up the old levees), should have been done well in advance of the storm. Even without that, the disaster response had ample time to be organized, staged, and implmented, without the loss of life and suffering that occured.

I am simply amazed that you are so delighted with the timely wonderful response to the disaster. Tell it to the people who have lost their worldly possessions, and those who have lost their loved ones.

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Hmm...forced evacuation prior to the storm hitting land would have been the legal responsibility of the local and/or theState Government and not the Federal Government.

Officials of the Army Corp of Engineers have already stated that any plans they had for the levees in the foreseeable future would not have prevented breeches in the levees. The levees were built to withstand a cat 3 and not a cat four or cat 5 hurricane...and the funds that were denied the Army Corp of Engineers would not have altered this fact. They were only going to strengthen the levees is some areas to bring them back up to cat 3 standards.

Where have I stated that I am delighted with anything. I have stated facts.
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