Now at least thats a step in the right direction.

now now....chaddledinghy......no need for name calling....:winkwink: i wasnt expressing shit to you anyway

my bad if i hit a nerve in you......softer and slower next time?


beer?

No, you shouldn't be piping in when you don't understand anything that is going on. This goes way back and even if it didn't Fletch told him to keep his money and quit using his banners. Simple.

but you were right....if he dosnt want to pay that much for them fuckin A....dont use them......and thats his decision.....


but a person shouldnt charge caviar for canned tuna,.....let alone expect to get kicks too


am i right?

I've moved all further replies to this thread:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=501298

I won't even read this thread any more and that's a promise.

I like this one :1orglaugh

That isn't what it sounds like from an impartial observer's POV

Are you seriously saying that tour had only made around $1400 over a year??



http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...-to-fletch.jpg

dude this is GFY, and he brought it to the boards.....expecting feedback....dont tell me i shouldnt be piping in.....thats just fuckin lame.....Fletch expected this.....im sure it was his purpose.....until im banned i do believe wether i know anything or not i have the right to insert my input, wanted by you or not....

im nt trying to fuck with ANYONE here....all i do see from what ive seen TODAY....is that fletch has money in his pocket that went against the original deal, donnie has also made a couple changes......

infringement is just a little far yes? for overpriced material.... ? everyone now....step back....seriously....1500 total for shit that looks like MY ameteur graphics.....I mean come on.....

Wow, what is the point of that? Expecting better results elsewhere?

i think he wants to stop contributing to the thread that has his name in a bad context

I generally am staying out of this as it doesnt entirely concern me. I was hired to do a job, i asked about my paramaters and I stayed within those parameters.

Here is what I will say though.

I dont know Fletch. I do know donny.

IN the time I've worked with him he's been pretty much upright on everything he's done and talked about having done. I cannot fathom sitting here and reading the other drama threads on this topic fast enough to keep up though I am desperately trying to.

If donny was as fair and upfront to fletch as he was to me then I dont have a clue where things fell apart. I"m pretty sure he was that upfront and fair.

In designing some things for the blog I presumed that if I ever walked away from the project all my creatives were going to become property of Donnys Money. Why wouldnt it? I cannot fathom why when I was ready to walk away I could take everything I put into the business with me. That's just not how it fucking works. It doesnt work that way in the 'real world' and I cannot imagine why it does in the adult world either.

As for the simple math of it, fletch seems to be grabbing every dime he can. I dont know much about fletch and probably never will but it would be sad if that's the case. especially for such a small sum.

Either way I think his tour was decent. I think the one we've worked on together is also decent. I can see why his stopped converting, it doesnt seem to have been udpated for a long time. The entire point of a dynamic tour is that it changes and remains dynamic, isnt it?

Just my 2 cents.

Fletch has asked that donny remove his creatives and stop using it and I cannot say that donny should or shouldnt do this. But I will say that if that is the choice he makes I will eagerly step up to plate and help him resolve that decision, and quickly replace the creatives. I'll also be glad to fill the hole left by removing these galleries by designing more of my own for our partnership. I was hired to do a job and I'll follow it through as instructed.

Until then its in donny's lap.

God I wish I was Fletch XXX, I would so be counting the money I would be getting for my copyright infringement...

This is why there are so many crooks in this biz, cuz everyone lets them get away with everything.

I look forward to the day someone tries to fuck me over, or steals my work, or uses my work without permission... cuz you make a shit load of money when you catch em...

This is also why i use contracts on every job, no matter how big or small.

I 100% agree

did you guys resolve this or are you on a dinner break?

This shit isn't over yet?

bump mother fucker.

:Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap

as the porn turns GFY style

Donovan has the least credibility of anyone I know in the industry. What a fucking crook.

$267.64 owed? What planet are u on? U can possibly be buying this yourself right?

You cant make a partnership plus an initial payment and then when you owe money later on, say that the money that the other person was paid via the partnership counts toward the new bill. Are u fucking high?

You made an agreement of 50/50. You didnt ask for any new promo material. You've admitted that. You cant at a later date come back and stop the 50/50 partnership, continue using the work and then when confronted about it say that you dont owe anything for using them because of the $$ you paid the partner for the initial agreement.

I know what you're saying. Fletch violated the partnership by not doing the additional promo banners therefor you dont owe him the $582. But one, you told him not too, and two, you cant pay someone for the patnership split and then later say the $$ went to someone else.

If I were you I would be happy with the $500 offer and be glad you're not being sued for thousands.

And on a side note, stop lying in the threads, you're making yourself look like an asshole. The whole 3 day 1:162 conversions, the 0:22000 gallery hits. Jesus man.

Just end this fucking drama...
Where do I send the check?

6 pages for a site thar grossed $1400 over a YEAR and people pissing over $500 is pathetic IMHO

Do you have this original contract that says exactly what the $500 was for and what you would be getting for the 50/50 partnership? If you don't then it's just your word versus his, and to be honest, it's not looking too good for you. And the fact that you are using his banners for your other projects and not sending to the original tour you both agreed upon, shows that you breeched the original contract, if indeed there is a contract.

Fletch does good work and while alot of people don't understand the design business, it takes alot of time and creative ability to keep coming up with something that is unique and fresh. When he originally designed the site for you, it was uniqe and fresh and converted. Don't downplay the fact that he is a good designer, after all, you are still using the banners he designed.

This shit is funny. You're all about posting screenshots, but you haven't posted a screenshot detailing the actual conversion ratio shown in the CCBill stats. Why is that? You think you can just take the total traffic sent to a domain and every page on that domain, compare it to the sales generated from the tour, and get a ratio? Are you retarded? Like sly pointed out, if that is all gallery traffic, then that tour would have only gotten a little over 1000 uniques with a very generous 5% CTR assumption.

You're a jackass.

its all about credibility, if someone owed you $500 you let it go? Wow what a great business move that would be....

bump bump

bump bump

cheers :)

bump(b) 8 cars!

Has nothing to do with the quality of the graphics offered . If you buy a Neon, that's your problem ... you know what you're buying

I love my neon :321GFY

Oh i totally agree, i was just unaware of prices and fuck.....thats really....outrageous....but it makes me want to get into banners :P

and heres my question to Fletch, seriously, are you charging that much, Due to how much time and effort you feel you put out to make these banners or is it also considering the possible money that would be produced from the attraction of the banners?

wich i thought about over night, could be a understandable consideration

Donny just emailed me how he was hanging with Lensman yesterday and how the whole adult.com office supports him.

:1orglaugh

Also, id like to clear this lie up... he claims I "lost my ftp" so i could not make updates.

Not the case... I have his log in email in front of me and ftp login was changed and he loked me out.

ANyway, just thought it was funny this assghole had to email and brag about hangining with lensman in regards to this.

:1orglaugh

for public info and my closing of this.

Donny has removed all banners and galleries and graphics.

There are still a few freesites with banners on them, but they will be addressed I am told.

He is still threatening to sue me, or at least he "may or may not"

I decided to not battle him lie for lie here and just let the paper handle it, so he took the stuff down (or in process of) - i know we all like our drama, but my intent with this thread was to get the stuff taken down. If he was going to pay me the $500 he would of did so initially, not hold off... so getting the stuff removed was the goal. He told so many blatant lies on the board and was busted in many, i feel there is no way to "win" on a board with people like that.

Anyhow, as of now this is done.

Just wanted to post about the closing of it so this can rest, and the threads are forever in history.

Im glad its all over. I learned my lesson the first time, and it was always in the back of my head that this deal would turn sour to.

Donny wants to rag on my conversions. Yet he used me on soooo many of his sites. I designed his first dynamic tour, his affiliate program, EVERY BANNER on his affiliate program was done by me, i have designed everyything the guy needed over the past 3 years, I think THAT says more than him bashing me after the fact. He hired me to design 9 solo girl sites, and much more!

I am moving forward with new plans and I hope others do the same.

Good day all, and never let someone walk away with your money. No matter the amount. Its principle.

Fuck crooks.

FletchXXX - 6 :: Donny - 4

But when people decide to fight this stuff out on the boards, do they think about what it is going to cost them? Yet again we have two people demonstrating to potential customers and/or affiliates that neither of them acted very professionally: no clearly spelled out contract; misunderstandings on both sides about rights and responsibilities, with neither living up to what the other expected; and when everything goes pear-shaped, they start squabbling like schoolkids.

You can't have it both ways: either this board has influence or it doesn't. If not, then these dramas are just a waste of time. But if people do pay attention, the vast majority of fights like this are going to cost both parties more than the sum at stake.

If someone really thinks he/she has been wronged and there are no jurisdictional issues to make it impractical, use the law. Any sponsor, designer or content provider with a decent business should have a lawyer on retainer and even if not, it doesn't usually take too much imagination to make a claim big enough to be worth pursuing. When the case is won, the C&D order effective, or whatever, make a simple announcement and then move on...

You have this wrong.

You act like me handing over tours, dozens of galleries, more dozens of banners all in good faith is a bad thing.

I trusted someone and got fucked.

Trying to turn it around on me after I go to the boards is ridiculous. You have no clue about the corresondence behind closed doors, all you see is this thread, DAYS AFTER NOT GETTING MY MONEY.

I need not defend my reputation here, ive done nothing wrong. You are right there was no contract, that doesnt make me a bad guy. And for the record this was my first site partnership.

It was nearly 2 years ago now. ;)

Let me address this and then im going to try and stay away from the board the rest of the day. This is entirely too much wasted time considering its done.

You speak of the influence of the board. My goal in case you missed it, was "either pay me or take them down." He took them down. So the board DID have influence because he wasnt going to unless i went to the board. This did not cost me business, I assure you of that. Ive had more design jobs come in than the $1500+ Donny deal that went sour. And BTW im not even taking on WORK!!! I dont take on design work all the time anymore.

You seem like you cant grasp why i took this to the board.

If i wanted to sue I would, my goal was to get the stuff eithe removed or paid.

goal accomplished, please go do something else today instead of posting.

Im going to.