Okay, this part made me laugh! I hate to break it to you big guy, but you're a dick to most people at the drop of a hat. If nothing else you've said is a lie, this certainly is.

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I just triple whatever the sponsor says their sites convert at

A recap of the whole story, for those who don't wish to scroll and find it:

#1 and #2

#2 continued...

#3

#4 (the original agreement, which Fletch hasn't lived up to...)

#5 (he owes me $67 and change...)

Man, this is a really though call.

And I can´t really believe he only converted 1:22k this month.

Exactly.

A few tweakings after the initial design isn't unreasonable.

looks like you got your attention now... :error :error

All I asked was that if he use my banners to send traffic to his tour he should just pay me and I would be cool. He agreed to that. Or he could link my tour instead and send the traffic using my promo to my tour. Or he could change the freesites he had done and that would work too.

I offered him 3 options.

I dont care. He said he would pay me, then he started making up shit.

I am the one getting fucked. Why do i have to keep bending over?

He agreed to pay me, now he is in here saying I owe him.

how in the fuck am i doing anything wrong here?

I even warned him I would go to the board.

I think he wants it.

Check August 2005 Traffic:

http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...-tour1.ncg.jpg

Check August 2005 Sales:

http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...2005-sales.jpg

SHIT, I was wrong... ZERO new sales. O:22k. That was a rebill!

Who is sending 22k of traffic so far this month to your bad tour Fletch, if you aren't? What a moron! Donny why haven't you asked them to move the traffic to a new tour? That would make much more sense.

the guy wont remove the banners because I designed every banner he uses. he has no banners for his sites exc ept the ones I made. WHich means his affiliates are all using my banners. They are the only ones he offers to use.

So im supoposed to just sit back?

Not only that I designed his affiliate program. I designed his sites.

He came to me because I convert, now he is on here stealing my designs and saying I dont convert.

See my point?

This is the only tour fletch has created and the only one in which he has a 50/50 stake.

You designed one TOUR, for which you were PAID. You designed DonnyMoney.com, for which you were PAID.

I'm going to have DonnysMoney.com redesigned soon, most likely. Time for a change.

notice he skips over that his affiliates are all using my banners right now.

Donny, lets handle this like pros here.

You gonna pay me or take it down?

I think I have more legal pull than you, so whats it going to be.

Show us what a man you are.

Tell you what, i have seen you say this...

"hit em in the pocketbook."

just know, i watch the boards... i cant believe you tell all of gfy you will pay me in email, then you pull this.

You've been paid $582.36. You wanted $515. I'll forgive the $67 balance.

There. We're done. Finished. Have a nice life.

Yeah I'd like to know this also, appears he was just kissing Fletch's ass in hopes that he wouldn't get upset.

I REALLY don't believe that 22k clicks were to the tour.

Why don't you show us how many clicks CCBill counted to the tour that month?

If you wanna play that way I can too... with links and screenshots showing true conversion ratios.

maBallz smell like cheese

All I can say is a guy like Donny who lied to his wife about being a pornographer for years is not an honest guy or to be trusted. There is a pattern.

If you can lie to your supposed life partner's face like that on a daily basis for however long... I just can't imagine.

AS I SAID... the first day it did well. After that it went to complete shit. I made the post right after the site launched.

Later, to show goodwill towards Fletch, I gave good recommendations. That was wrong of me. But what should I have done? Should I have dogged him? The overall numbers wouldn't have been revealed if he hadn't brought this to the boards.

Sure, let's get personal now. Why not?

Ya'all are a coupla class acts, that's for sure.

This thread should have never made it past the second post... IMO

you bragged about it in your Ambush Interview. you like bragging about how much you lie.

well, no doubt.

you are a fuckinjg liar, you lie to your wife, you lie to your kid, and you damn sure lie to me.

he basically told me "im not going to pay you, fuck off, go make a thread if you want"

so i did.

simple as that.

Yes, I did lie to my wife when I was married so long ago. I told her I had a computer consulting business when I was actually doing porn. I admitted it, not bragged about it.

I have never once lied to my kid.

And I didn't lie to you.


Read carefully for comprehension this time...

my guess is that DOnny has not the money to pay because I am getting emails about him owing others and giving THEm the runaround too.

well, I cant hate a man for being broke, but I can for telling lies.

Why not just pay the money and get this over with.. Fletch did the work and to me it really doesn't matter if it made you any money or not.. he should be payed for it.. on principle..

I forgive him the $67 he owes me.

I guess those 22k clicks weren't directed to the tour, huh?

What's the problem, can't you show us how many clicks CCBill counted to that tour?

Well this is getting ugly now. I'm out.

But just know that I don't really agree with the idea that one can refrain from paying for design work based on the ongoing performance or "productivity" of the design. In my mind work is work and must be paid for. Unless you have it in a contract that the designs will be tested before payment will be sent..... but as a designer I would never agree to something like that.

In my opinion, you pay for the design.... then if it doesn't perform up to par the designer should be willing to do the odd tweak here or there (within reason) to make improvements.

Very little room for public displays of rejection when you do that.

All i will say is this.

FOr those thinking this is fake, it is NOT.

I will also encourage people not to use Donnys program as he has been SHOWN to lie about conversions, and make up numbers to gain affiliates. I think his record speaks more than anything I could say.

His emails say he will pay me, and then he changes his mind.

I have done nothing wrong, other than provide high quality graphics, promo material and much more on good faith that that it would be used to make me long term money.

Now, that deal is gone, and DOnny is here saying I do not convert, and changing his opinion os how my tour converted, and claiming I owe him for work I did in good faith.

He took my banners and they are available tyo all his affiliates which was not part of our deal. They are being used in hosted materials promoting his new blog. I have nothing to do with this blog.

My materials should have only been used to push my tour.

Honestly, I wouldnt have given him shit if a few affiliates did this, (as noted in my emails I state that) but he isnt even sending to my tour, simply to his blog.

Has he had any banners made for his blog? NO. He cant afford to! He is simply using my promo to push his blog.

read between the lines people.

I am just a guy providing graphics on a percentage base, how am i fucking ANYONE?

Anyway, I just had to speak my mind and let others know that even after a year or so, this guy is still pulling shit with me regarding design.

He did NOT pay for the promo, and it was never part of the deal. He has nothing in writing, he simply makes it up as he goes.

Again, im working on percentage, i cant do anything wrong.

i don't know you and I have no problem with you, but I disagree with your position..

I only know the local copyright laws where I am at, but your position would not hold up here.. if you don't have a contract saying that you are entitled to use the work then you best pay up..

saying that you forgive him 67$ is just a run around.. imo.. come on.. it's 500$.. protect your rep.. that must be worth more than 500 bucks..

thats probably hosted gallery traffic. The galleries are on that domain too i believe. I do not have access but he isnt showing much.

No, my emails said I'd pay you, then you threw out a number I didn't think you deserved, then you blew up when I told you so and took it to the boards.

I was being generous. In reality you actually owe me $67.

Donovan you are owning yourself right now...

You are telling everybody that :

You are posting icq and emails (very unprofetional)
You're words aiin't worth shit
You aiin't got enough money to pay fletch 500 bucks to get out of this drama (500 $ or a drama thread that will make look bad ... hrmm... that's not a thought choice)
You are still using promo material he made for this tour.
You aren't happy that somebody cut you a deal on a 500 bucks tour ... what the hell ? He gave you a good deal on a tour, you said on DMPM it converted well before and now it sucks ? You are using your promo material without giving him a cent ?

If you plan to use it anywhere else then agreed, you should pay him fullprice.

Did you miss post #103? Read it again. He was paid more than he asked for...

probably includes these maybe?

http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456
http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv/ga....php?wm=123456

those are the hosted gals Fletch did for the tour...

I think DonovanPhillips is a LIAR, and is BROKE. Maybe Fletch will allow him to make payments ?

hmmm, fletch has a good rep and now he sucks?


yea right.

my tour gets very little traffic and DOnny knows it.

He has many hosted galleries on that domain and is only showing the traffic and nothing else.

Exactly ... that's sums it up

Okay. No problem. He can refund the $582.36 he owes me for not holding up his side of the deal. Money he was paid even though he didn't do what we agreed he'd do to earn it.

Then I'll pay him his $515.

Fair enough?

let it also be known, all the galleries that I designed for Donny was also done in good faith.

I was not paid for this.

He uses the graphics from these galleries in free sites. This stuff is to be used as is to send to my tour, not be hacked apart and re-used.

I was not paid for any of this.

All done in good faith.

And here he is claiming now I owe him.

You finally understood what I wrote.

:thumbsup

I'm not really in the position to take sides here, just enjoying the fireworks but wasnt there a post on pg 2 that quotes you as saying its been converting at 1:162 (or something) over 3 days. Somebody brought this up and you keep responding with "it did well the first day, then shit" Did somebody make up that quote about the three days or did u say that? and if you did say that? you're either lying to the affiliates then or us now or am i missing something? uhhh... :Oh crap

so we are at over 10 galleries and 35 + banners.

all being used to send to donnys tour and not the original deal.

if ANYONE OWES ANYONE for messing up the deal its YOU OWE ME considering youre the one with my graphics all over your erver.

You have no proof you own any of it, I did it all in good faith and was not paid for most of it.

you cannot back yourself out of this one donny.

If a tour does well on the first day and then the next two days suck, is it possible to still convert at an AVERAGE of 1:162 over those three days?

The way I look at it Donny is that you paid him $1082.36 for a paysite, 35 banners, a bunch of FHGs and other promo material.

I don't think you could find ANY outsourced designer that cheap.

Well Fletch, my patience with you has grown thin. You can sue me for what you're owed and I'll counter sue for what I'm owed. Fair enough?

I attempted to make an offer to you today. You decided to bring it to the boards. That is all.