150,...,......

To lazy. Did you pay him for him promotional work for all your sites or just his tour and have it writing?

If you did then no you don't owe him, if not pay him. Kind-of a simple business concept :)

Donny, copyright laws are very serious. I remember this bullshit from the first go and now you're back doing the same shit? Do you have any clue how much Fletch could have sued your partner for the first time his designs were copied? Look up the law and get your head out of your ass. From this thread I see only a few options.

1) You're broke.
2) You are an ass that doesn't know about copyright laws.
3) You know exactly what you are doing but don't think Fletch will sue.

If he sued you it would be a good lesson for you. Regardless of what you think there are laws to protect him. You can believe he would win a whole hell of a lot more than $525 as in most areas he's also due a % of all money made for the entire time x 3.

Give the dude his $500, he offered you an out that is more than fair.

No, you miss the point. We went in as business partners on a tour. I provided the content and hosting and some money, he was to provide his services to do some promo materials. He didn't live up to his end. I left him on the CCBill sub account as a partner anyway.

He will be paid when he refunds the money he was already paid for services not performed. Why is this hard to understand?

But wouldnt you know then when u hyped the conversions that they were false? If it converts great the first day and then you see two days of total shit you still go on the boards saying how great it is and everyone should promote the site?

A recap of the whole story, for those who don't wish to scroll and find it:

#1 and #2

#2 continued...

#3

#4 (the original agreement, which Fletch hasn't lived up to...)

#5 (he owes me $67 and change...)

He also gave you the option to remove his promo material ... anyways
You don't realise it ... You sound like somebody that does cocaine and smoke an oz of weed a day that got his reality totally disturbed and is 100 % sure he's right... even when he's 100 % wrong. because you really look like a tool with ZERO business sence.

I'm not gonna post anymore in this thread, you can do yourself enough damages already.

There is obviously a lot of people that won't give you their business because of this thread ... Sorry but you are getting owned post after post and refuse to realise it...

Business is business. You win some, you loose some. But you don't decide when you loose or win . It's destiny and your ability to make the right choice BEFORE you make an agreement . Not change your mind after and fuck people up for thier money OR use their designs without having the right for them like in this case.

Look at rick latona. He invested TONS of money in dollars.com and it didn't work out ... did he not pay any of the designers / programmers that worked for him on this one ? hell no . He paid up, cut his losses by closing the site and moved on.

Don't forget these two parts of the story:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=73

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=83

i checked the tour and i can tell you if you were providing samples of the listed pics and movies it could perform very well. As it is now everything link to join page and this would never work at $29.95

Donny are you using his designs to promote other tours, sites of yours?

If so then you are ripping him off plain and simple....

If only it were that easy. If Fletch sues you it won't be for $525 unless he's the nicest person in the world. He could take you for thousands to tens of thousands without blinking an eye. Don't believe me? Keep pushing him to sue you until he gets pissed off enough to do so. In the meantime take a look at copyright laws. They aren't a joke and you're playing with fire. :2 cents:

I am glad he is in California is all i can say.

That was only in MARCH of THIS YEAR, where Donny was saying the tour did 1:162, NOT right after they launched it which was months ago, over a year now.

Now he is showing his traffic stats which include over a dozen hosted galleries and lying about a conversion when he knows damn well that is counting the gallery traffic.

He also seems to think Fletch and myself are too dumb to see through his lies. Sad.

You summed it all up right there and don't even realize it.

Do you think Rick refunded all the business partners who invested in that project? No. They all took a risk. Fletch is wanting his part of the deal refunded to him, even though he never lived up to it in the first place. He was out nothing but time. I paid him and STILL paid him further even when he didn't live up to his end.

Read:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=73

BTW donovan if you don't beleive my post about the "disturbed reality", start asking yourself the question : "Why aren't any of my friends / affiliates stepping in for me right now ?"

I didn't design it.

You're both idiots. Grow up.

http://www.tour1.donnysgirls.com/all....php?wm=XXXXXX

http://www.tour1.donnysgirls.com/all....php?wm=XXXXXX

i could list them for days, all his new promo material goes to his blog but uses my banners and even hacked graphics from gallery templates.

heres hacked gallery graphics in free site

http://www.tour1.donnysgirls.com/all....php?wm=XXXXXX

i just want what is rightfully mine and this guy keeps thinking I am not serious about getting it.

If rick was to use the affiliate program built and the software, he'd buy them back from his partners ... he wouldn't have the right to use them if he didn't own them 100 %.

You don't own the content and use it for something else, you are fucking him up.

Wake up dude... big time

Corect, Donny is leading on that he launched my tour in March when he made the "this tour is doing 1:162"

the tour is much older than that.

He is twisting things around let and right.

Until he started this thread, negotiations were open on payment to Fletch. I wanted him to reduce what he asked for because I paid him $582.36 more than he'd earned. He did not do what he agreed to do, yet I let it slide.

Now I am asking him to refund the amount he was overpaid. At the moment he owes me $582.36. If he wants to be paid for his banners, fine. He needs to refund me. I won't send him money when he owes me money.

I was not going to enforce this because I know he doesn't have the money to refund what he owes me. Since he decided to come to GFY about it and break of discussions I will insist on a refund prior to paying him.

Page 4.

Time for small claims court.

What is Judge Judy like on porn-related cases? Might be better to go with Joe Brown.

Fletch is STILL on that active sub account as a 50/50 partner. STILL TO THIS DAY.

this thread is pure comedy...robbing peter to pay paul

Until he started this thread, negotiations were open on payment to Fletch. I wanted him to reduce what he asked for because I paid him $582.36 more than he'd earned. He did not do what he agreed to do, yet I let it slide.

Now I am asking him to refund the amount he was overpaid. At the moment he owes me $582.36. If he wants to be paid for his banners, fine. He needs to refund me. I won't send him money when he owes me money.

I was not going to enforce this because I know he doesn't have the money to refund what he owes me. Since he decided to come to GFY about it and break of discussions I will insist on a refund prior to paying him.

why are you telling me this? If you or fletch had spent few more days on doing changes it could perform better than the rest tours. You do know what i'm talking about here, your other tours are optimized, this isn't. Fletch is the designer, but you are the paysite owner. You should be the one deciding what goes live and what needs changes. Did you provide fletch access to real-time stats? That's the only way to improve the ratio of a tour. A possible thing is that you realised a 50/50 deal is not that great for you even if the tour would kick major ass and you didn't make any effort.

That explains the made-up 1:22k conversions. Damn. I am laughing my ass off. This is great.

Seriously. A program owner who doesn't understand traffic stats and ccbill? Now that's funny. Me thinks someone was trying to fib a little, uhoh. :1orglaugh

You make some good points here. You're right. I didn't guide him on how to optimize the tour. Perhaps I should have.

I honestly did not want to hurt his feelings. How stupid of me.

bingo we have a winner. if Donny was telling the whole story as I said previously he would have mentioned that after his partner fucked me, I was LOCKED OUT of the site. Donny had no dealings with me as a matter of fact, I remember he was all gung ho about some shoot for Lensman and was out of town and buying a new home. He had no time for me or my tour.

He locked me out and I never heard one number until today and the threads he made on mul;tiple boards saying I was converting at 1:162. Thats all i knew

He understands them just fine. He's simply bending the truth to match his agenda, much like he did all of the times when he was boasting about fantastic conversions that he now admits was pure exaggeration.

Now we know why he's always bitching about Lightspeed. Deflection.

Zero new sales for this month is not great. 'Nuff said.

I didn't start shooting for Lensman until a few weeks ago. You're thinking of MaxCash that I was shooting for at the time.

Bottom line: zero new sales August 2005.

remember how DOnny used to brag about how much he paid his models and how much he paid people?

I can vouch, that is NOT THE TRUTH.

all DOnny tries to do is getr what he can off of people and then pull shit like this.

I designed sites, his affiliate program, all his banners, his gallery templat6es for years.

Now all of a sudden I dont convert? He used me as a designer for like 2+ years before we even talked about a deal.

I converted good then. Now all of a sudden I dont?

So let me get this straight...

Donovan had an agreement with Fletch to do a tour and banners for $500 + 50%. But those banners were only to be used to promote that tour, thusly not allowing any other affiliate to take advantage of the banners for their promotional use. Also Fletch agreed to produce more banners that the affiliates could use to promote Donovans program.

Now Donovan is using the banners that were intended to be only for that paticular tour for his other affiliates, thus cutting Fletch out of the loop. Fletch complains and points out that that is technically copyright infringement and Donovan states that he can use them because Fletch didnt comply with his end of the agreement by not making any more banners for the affiliates. Even though Donovan didnt ever ask him too becuase he claims the original work converts like shit so why bother.

Im no lawyer but this one seems kinda obvious. Fletch did everything that was asked of him, Donovan, you didnt ever ask him to do the additional banners. It doesnt matter how well they converted in the first place. The deal was $500 and 50/50. He did the tour. He gets paid $500 and 50/50 and those banners can only be used for that tour. Thats all they are licensed for. How can he uphold his end of the agreement if you never ask him to do any additional work.

If a business goes under you're right the 50% interest is worthless but that doesnt mean you can just go use that work elsewhere. Thats copyright infringement.

Even more damaging to this is you have been caught blatantly lying about the conversions. I assume that the tour converted fine and when you said 1:162 months later you were telling the truth to your affiliates and now to get out of a debt you claim they did terrible. Plus I would think that this is all simple logic and you must know you're in the wrong here, so why not just pay the damn $500. You're causing yourself a ton more than $500 in business by being a tool, which leads me and others in this thread to assume that you dont have it. Either way. No matter how you put it, you're fucking Fletch and yourself in the process.

I am not confusing anything.

You were bragging about some shoot for Lensman, some Playboy thing. I always noted how we'd talk business then you shift to some crap like this.

Donovan, YOU not wanting him to live up to his part of the bargain (by your own admission) and him not living up to it are two entirely different things. You can't hold him liable for something YOU didn't want him to do. You also cannot, at your own behest, use his designs ANY WAY YOU PLEASE. They aren't your designs and they sure as hell don't belong to your affiliates. This is akin to giving your affiliates stolen content or non 2257 compliant content to use.

You have a very biased view of how things work in the real world; this was proven with the sonofsam incident. Just like sos mistakenly thought the deal was in Canadian Dollars, I'm sure you mistakenly thought you could use the designs anyway you pleased without giving credit where credit was due or at the very least paying for the designs outright.

Do the right thing .... pay the man!

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Off of 22k gallery uniques, I wouldn't expect a sale. At 5% CTR (fairly generous), that would be about 1,100 tour uniques. I don't see how anyone could come to any sort of conclusions, good or bad, based off of 1,100 tour uniques.

I just logged on and it took awhileto read ....at first donny was wrong in my POV, after the 582 whatever part came out...it makes perfect sense....and why dosnt fletch have anything to say about that pay off....i see donny bringing it up....will fletch please let us know what the 582 has bought him?

now can i see some of these banners?

I think it was settled when donny said he didnt want his 62 bucks....(and change :winkwink: )

what about the 582 fletch


*disclaimer: I am on no ones side....just a pair of eyes....

What about the $582? It was money made of Fletch's tour, money he earned via the 50/50 deal (whether on one tour or 40 tours). What part of that simple concept didn't you understand?

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Fletch looks like the only way your gonna get anywhere with Donny is to sue him.. He is not gonna budge... Let the court settle it since both of you wont back down.

Tour1.NakedCollegeGirls.tv Performance:

Affiliates generally send traffic to tours. The site gets a small bit of traffic from SEs too. Take a look at which sales resulted from affiliates and which did not.

May 2005. 4 New Sales. 3 from affiliates.
http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...2005-sales.jpg

June 2005. 3 New Sales. 0 from affiliates.
http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...2005-sales.jpg

July 2005. 2 New Sales. 0 from affiliates.
http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...2005-sales.jpg

August 2005. 0 New Sales. 0 from affiliates, of course.
http://www.donovanphillips.com/image...2005-sales.jpg

Donny,why are you posting stats of a tour you already agreed it wasn't ready to sell well?

anyway, i dont see you guys reaching to an agreement, time for some rest.

right....and wasnt the deal for fletch to stay on and continually make shit....wich didnt happen, yet donny still let it go ...and the money was paid.....am i right? this is what i read.....i didnt see it challenged?

what about the 582

fletch?


no ball bustin, i just never seen your comments on the 582

You are soooooo dumb ...

I'd like to see the traffic numbers for the tour and not the that entire subdomain.. Show a CCBill screenshot with traffic numbers instead..

Donny wanted an affiliate manager, I am not an affiliate manager. I do design, thats what I do.

He is making you side with him by throwing in little lines like I "agreed to deliver banners every other day"

not the case, we had no deal like that. He and I talked about my presence on gfy would helop him gain affiliates etc, but I was never supposed to be some affiliate manager, or recruiter, or even to hold anyones hand during any of this.

I provide graphics, thats what I do. His partner after this tour, fucked us over. I was then turned off by this deal and even asked DOnny to remove tour. He also locked me out of the site, and I had NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING to do with it.

He got my design and then it seemed i was not needed.

I was not obligated to provide anything for any duration of time, or anything in regards to consistently providing graphics.

DOnny threw that out, and you bit.

Ok nvm about the so dumb thing... but the gfy court has ruled you guilty of not paying fletch for his goods and using them without his concent . EVERYBODY in this thread tells you that fletch is right ...