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Old 07-31-2005, 11:19 PM   #1
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So we're letting the EU deal with Iran....And....

The Iranians have announced a general "fuck off", we're building our reactors & research centers anyways.

"The Europeans say they cannot understand why Iran would want a plutonium-producing heavy water reactor when its whole enrichment programme is based on uranium, but Iran has rejected an offer from the European Union to help it get a light-water research reactor in exchange for giving up its heavy-water project."

So now the question is, how long until Israel launches an attack on their buildings and provokes Iran, Syria...& Russia.
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Old 08-01-2005, 01:51 AM   #2
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it seems that most countries now are arming themselves thinking its the best way to address problems in security.
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Old 08-01-2005, 01:57 AM   #3
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pr0 you take your ar-15 and i'll use your pump we'll go invade Iran
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Old 08-01-2005, 06:12 AM   #4
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pr0 you take your ar-15 and i'll use your pump we'll go invade Iran
..and let's say it's a justified attack.
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Old 08-01-2005, 06:14 AM   #5
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Everyone wants a Nuke now-a-days. Sad
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Old 08-01-2005, 06:23 AM   #6
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Everyone wants a Nuke now-a-days. Sad
All they want is attention and money.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:02 AM   #7
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All they want is attention and money.

that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say....


They want to have water for the country..and the world is telling them you can't have a nuclear facility..but the US and Europe can!

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Iran said they move forward with building their nuclear facility...with the Guidelines and Inspections of EU...Let's tell the whole story here!
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:20 AM   #8
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They should bomb iranian nuclear facilities ASAP
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:24 AM   #9
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So now the question is, how long until Israel launches an attack on their buildings and provokes Iran, Syria...& Russia.
Armagedon is near at hand.

The Fundies believe that this is all foretold.

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Old 08-01-2005, 07:31 AM   #10
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Banish all governments and their fake ass morals, banish religeon and it's stranglehold on people's common sense, banish every reason the world has to fight and have wars, and the world will finally be capable of re-starting, without all the bullshit. Humans have no morals, we just like to pretend we do. We're no different than our neanderthal roots, we're still capable of extreme happyness and extreme violence. However, if you take away the reasons for the violence, our meaningless existence on this planet may just get a bit more bareable. But don't cross your fingers.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:31 AM   #11
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I don't like the way it's going, I think they're painting a picture that isn't accurate here.
IRan may have honest intentions but do they or don't they?
It's not a country though it's a handful of leaders that we have to worry about. Why don't we sell them water then in exchange for lower oil prices if all they really want is water I'll give them some.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:34 AM   #12
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They want a nuke? Why? Does it give them more power? It surely does not. So Iran gets a nuke. What's it gonna do, nuke Isreal? You don't think the US has enough nukes to turn the middle east into a huge parking lot?

Foolish games these idiots are playing.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:38 AM   #13
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:39 AM   #14
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Of course they want to build weapons!
And its for the same reason as USA and Russia did few years ago, helding rest of the world as hostage. Iraq is todays Berlin.
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Old 08-01-2005, 07:41 AM   #15
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why everybody keeps silence when Pakistan announces they have nuke?
their regime is'nt much better than Iranian one, but they allow american forces to build base in their country

But when it comes to Iranor North Korea, which is in USA blacklist, it sounds like drama.

fuck double standarts and let those people live their own.
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Old 08-01-2005, 08:37 AM   #16
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I dont know about where you are but there was a lot of negative media coverage here in the UK towards both Pakistan AND India when they started their nuclear testing.
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Old 08-01-2005, 08:42 AM   #17
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why everybody keeps silence when Pakistan announces they have nuke?
their regime is'nt much better than Iranian one, but they allow american forces to build base in their country

But when it comes to Iranor North Korea, which is in USA blacklist, it sounds like drama.

fuck double standarts and let those people live their own.
Sorry, but ....what are you talking about? There was HUGE amount of opposition by the US government to India and Pakistan arming themselves.

How did you not notice?
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Why would Iran, or any other country want a nuke? Hmmm let's see..

The Bush administration, as well as other countries are all up in other country's kitchen all of the time. Telling them what to, and not to do. Threatening strikes, and all the other wonderful things.

However, when you see the countries who have nukes.. N.Korea, Russia, Pakistan, India, Isreal they are not kicked around as much, and are treated with more respect. You do not see the EU, US, or other countries always trying to bully another nuclear power.

In the third world, when you see the overall global politics, and trying to keep other countries out of your kitchen, a nuclear program might look like a good alternative. Plus in the middle east, I am sure all of the muslim countries who absolutely hate Isreal, are not all that comfortable with them being a nuclear power. Much less some of the nearby Pakistan's and so on.

So in the biggest johnson catagory, if they can get the technology, and hold a stand up with being bullied around all the time, then it looks advantagous. N Korea's an enormous pain in the ass to Japan, US, and S.Korea to name a few, but you do not see the Bush administration threatening them all of the time, as we do with some other countries.

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Sorry, but ....what are you talking about? There was HUGE amount of opposition by the US government to India and Pakistan arming themselves.

How did you not notice?

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WASHINGTON: The new willingness of the US to engage in cooperative activities in the civilian nuclear power field with India, a state outside the NPT raises serious questions about the future of US nuclear non-proliferation policy, according to a security expert.

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The Bush administration has announced it will ask Congress to lift sanctions on the supply of civilian nuclear technology to India.

The deal was announced during the visit to Washington of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and underlines the much warmer relations between the two countries.

Robert Ayson, director of studies in strategy and defence at the Australian National University, says while India is seen as a "responsible regional power", the move could undermine the US Government's approach to global non-proliferation.

"What it's saying here is that some countries who have proliferated recently can be trusted more than others, and of course India is the prime example here," he said.

"So, it does raise problems. It brings into question the prevailing US policy was that it would not extend such cooperation and extend such technical cooperation to countries who were not in good standing with the non-proliferation regime."

He says the move indicates the US intends to decide on a case-by-case basis which countries can be trusted with nuclear technology.

"The purists will say that this is a step backwards and the pragmatists will say that one has to deal with a nuclear India," he said.

"You're not going to roll it back and this is part of dealing with a nuclear India, but we cannot - it would be very unwise to therefore argue that we should think about dealing with a nuclear Iran."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...7/s1418873.htm

says alot about thje US position ....
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it seems that most countries now are arming themselves thinking its the best way to address problems in security.
And they are right...look at North Korea... the americans are affraid of dealing with them.
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says alot about thje US position ....
Like I said in my post... there WAS a huge amount of opposition....when it happened.

Whenever a country first goes nuclear we tend to oppose it. Then if it happens anyway we learn to deal with it. It's the only pragmatic solution
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And they are right...look at North Korea... the americans are affraid of dealing with them.
i dont think they are afraid. i think theyll let china and others over there deal with NK.
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And they are right...look at North Korea... the americans are affraid of dealing with them.
But shouldn't they have been afraid of Iraq.... ????
After all, they claimed that they had WMD and had an advanced nuclear ( nucular for some ) arm program ....

Or did the US really know that it was BS :

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WASHINGTON - The CIA was told by an informant in the spring of 2001 that Iraq had abandoned a major element of its nuclear weapons program, but the agency did not share the information with other agencies or with senior policymakers, a former CIA officer has charged.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court here in December, the former CIA officer, whose name remains secret, said that the informant told him that Iraq's uranium enrichment program had ended years earlier and that centrifuge components from the scuttled program were available for examination and even purchase.

The officer, an employee at the agency for more than 20 years, including several years in a clandestine unit assigned to gather intelligence related to illicit weapons, was fired in 2004.

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Iraq had a nuclear facilty which was bombed by israel in 1980, the americans never claimed that iraq had nuclear weapons.

China are communists...you really think they'll fight against North Korea? i think what will happend is that they will go to war against the US before they will fight North Korea...the chinese has nothing to do there.
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the americans never claimed that iraq had nuclear weapons.
No, as I said :

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... had an advanced nuclear ( nucular for some ) arm program ....

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Nobody is worried about Iran launching nukes at anyone.......

They are more worried about islamic extremists getting jobs there and stealing bits and pieces. Iran has more islamic extremists than Iraq ever did.
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Didn't we go through the same whining and moaning prior to India & Pakistan playing with big boy toys just a few years ago?

I guess it's time the world learns how to not piss eachother off & leave eachother alone so we don't actually see those things used.

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Old 08-01-2005, 02:39 PM   #28
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You don't think the US has enough nukes to turn the middle east into a huge parking lot?

Foolish games these idiots are playing.
heard that on fox?
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