The European Lee Saga - Last Thread Ever!!!

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50 -- Wohoooo WOJ is sleeping!

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Andrew, those samples above are shit but, i have to ask, how comes i was never shown this version before now?

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...rs/3/main.html

You been working while all this drama has been going on or something?

Regards,

Lee

lee - you said the site was 'perfect' and 'done' over a year ago - and that you were waiting for money to come through before you would get payment sorted - why the sudden change of heart?

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

lee - you said the site was 'perfect' and 'done' over a year ago - and that you were waiting for money to come through before you would get payment sorted - why the sudden change of heart?

Andrew, seriously, where did that layout come from?

How comes i have never seen it until today?

Regards,

Lee

[CDSmith]

112 - 9

I'd have to say this is one of the most decisive poll victories I've ever seen on any board.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

lee - you said the site was 'perfect' and 'done' over a year ago - and that you were waiting for money to come through before you would get payment sorted - why the sudden change of heart?

the bubble burst on his anal bead stocks

same shit could happen to lars, but he would still pay what he owes.

lee is just a scum bag.

[Thumbking]

I voted for the wrong one by mistake

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Andrew, seriously, where did that layout come from?

How comes i have never seen it until today?

Regards,

Lee

you tell me where it came from - obviously you got the url from somewhere, perhaps your email or icq history?

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

you tell me where it came from - obviously you got the url from somewhere, perhaps your email or icq history?

Actually, its linked on the splash page design.

Perhaps you forgot to show me that sample?

Mistakes happen i guess

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Actually, its linked on the splash page design.

Perhaps you forgot to show me that sample?

Mistakes happen i guess

Regards,

Lee

no worries, want to get this invoice settled now as per your posts?

I don't want you money, I'll nominate a trustworthy 3rd party to donate it to charity

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

no worries, want to get this invoice settled now as per your posts?

I don't want you money, I'll nominate a trustworthy 3rd party to donate it to charity

Actually, id be more interested in finding out why that layout was never shown to me and, why it wasnt linked on the splash page yesterday whn it was posted?

Have you guys been working on the design while all the drama has been happening?

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Actually, id be more interested in finding out why that layout was never shown to me and, why it wasnt linked on the splash page yesterday whn it was posted?

Have you guys been working on the design while all the drama has been happening?

Regards,

Lee

nothing has been changed for well over a year now, they're the same url's that were posted yesterday, last year, and emailed to you

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

nothing has been changed for well over a year now, they're the same url's that were posted yesterday, last year, and emailed to you

A year or two years?

Make your mind up mate.

From the 'emails' you posted in this thread earlier, i dont see a link to that page, can you confirm that you actually did email me a link to that page?

It would be a bit of a concern if all this drama was for nothing, especially over something as simple as you not mailing me that layout

Just think, all this crap could have been avoided if you had maild me that layout, especially as the design quality is more what people are used to getting from you

Regards,

Lee

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

And here is the work that Lee described as "perfect" & "done" in June 2004:

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/1/index.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/2/index.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...w_banners.html

Just want to quote these links you posted mate as the url i posted above doesnt seem to have been included in them.

Regards,

Lee

[Tempest]

Just pay the damn money already. You've been fucking OWNED!! So pay up or go away because there's no way you can weasel out and save face here.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

A year or two years?

Make your mind up mate.

From the 'emails' you posted in this thread earlier, i dont see a link to that page, can you confirm that you actually did email me a link to that page?

It would be a bit of a concern if all this drama was for nothing, especially over something as simple as you not mailing me that layout

Just think, all this crap could have been avoided if you had maild me that layout, especially as the design quality is more what people are used to getting from you

Regards,

Lee

I just posted the url's you posted, rather than digging out every url from email / icq history

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

I just posted the url's you posted, rather than digging out every url from email / icq history

So you didnt actually send me that preview.. Interesting

Regards,

Lee

[European Lee]

Anyay im heading out for a few hours, lets pick this up later once you have posted the email where you sent me that preview link mate.

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

So you didnt actually send me that preview.. Interesting

Regards,

Lee

No, I did send you that preview, as well as the ones posted, as well as a range of others

[wha wha wha]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Lee is without a doubt the lowest form of life we have encountered in the adult industry.

Quoted for emphasis.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by Thumbking

I voted for the wrong one by mistake

that's 1/3rd of lee's votes by mistake

you're not from florida by any chance?

[Brad Mitchell]

Corey from WEG, your posts in all the other threads were right on!

Summary is simple:

BlueDesignStudios = Right, Good
European Lee = Wrong, Bad

This is absolutely absurd, the bill is beyond needing to be paid. Multiple revisions all based on the client's direction and every excuse in the book to NOT pay a $550 bill. If the bill ever gets paid I would be shocked. With the monies going to charity who would even have to think twice. LOL Rediculous.

Brad

[BlueDesignStudios]

So Lee, GFY is waiting for your payment to an independent 3rd party to be passed onto charity

can we get this settled now?

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

So Lee, GFY is waiting for your payment to an independent 3rd party to be passed onto charity

can we get this settled now?

As i have stated numerous times before, not a chance in hell

I really dont care if its for 'charity' or not, we do our tax write-offs at the end of the year, alway have, always will.

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

As i have stated numerous times before, not a chance in hell

I really dont care if its for 'charity' or not, we do our tax write-offs at the end of the year, alway have, always will.

Regards,

Lee

But hold on Lee, you posted this:

If you want paying for the design work i ordered from you almost 2 years ago, post a sample of the 'design' work you supposedly did for me and also make a statement that it is the same quality as work in your regular design portfolio.

Let GFY decide if the work passes the 'quality test', the ball is in your court

Post the work, if it is of a good quality, as voted for by GFY'ers you'll get paid, if it doesnt meet the quality of the other sites in your portfolio, you are shit out of luck, i have nothing to lose here, do you?


That was only yesterday - you said you would pay based on GFY decides - so what's your excuse now??

[BlueDesignStudios]

Lee, incase you cannot see, I am giving you an oppertunity to put and end to this - I receive nothing from this outcome, I'm donating your payment to charity - so what's in it for me?

NOTHING.

What's in it for you? A chance to save face and give to charity at the same time.

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

But hold on Lee, you posted this:

If you want paying for the design work i ordered from you almost 2 years ago, post a sample of the 'design' work you supposedly did for me and also make a statement that it is the same quality as work in your regular design portfolio.

Let GFY decide if the work passes the 'quality test', the ball is in your court

Post the work, if it is of a good quality, as voted for by GFY'ers you'll get paid, if it doesnt meet the quality of the other sites in your portfolio, you are shit out of luck, i have nothing to lose here, do you?


That was only yesterday - you said you would pay based on GFY decides - so what's your excuse now??

Indeed i did.

Did you post the samples? No.

Did GFY agree that the quality was your usual standard? No.

I dont see where the problem is.

Just to be sure you read GFY'ers opinions though, here is a brief recap for you..

Originally Posted by Dalai lama

banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either

Originally Posted by Brujah

I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted samples.

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new graphists do .

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

The sites dont look like his other design examples

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I will agree that the main page and banners need work.

Originally Posted by Gunni

not the best design from them for sure

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Godsmack

I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it was outsourced? :-)

Originally Posted by cherrylula

it looks stripped down.

Originally Posted by rezdesign

looks like crap to me

Originally Posted by chazer

It's not all that great design

Originally Posted by MickeyG

I wouldn't pay for that shit either

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites.

Originally Posted by basschick

so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with these.

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

banner and main layout not that hot

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...

Regards,

Lee

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Lee, incase you cannot see, I am giving you an oppertunity to put and end to this - I receive nothing from this outcome, I'm donating your payment to charity - so what's in it for me?

NOTHING.

What's in it for you? A chance to save face and give to charity at the same time.

Ill also be out $550.

As i have stated above, we do our charitable donations at the end of the year.

Im not paying a red cent for the shit you tried to palm off on me, to you or, to a charity.

It really is as simple as that.

I notice you havent provided proof of a date when you sent that new preview i found as yet, here is your chance to admit you screwed up by not sending me it.

Regards,

Lee

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Lee, incase you cannot see, I am giving you an oppertunity to put and end to this - I receive nothing from this outcome, I'm donating your payment to charity - so what's in it for me?

NOTHING.

What's in it for you? A chance to save face and give to charity at the same time.

You also seem to be missing the fact that i care more about my morning dump than i do about the opinions of GFY'ers.

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Ill also be out $550.

As i have stated above, we do our charitable donations at the end of the year.

Im not paying a red cent for the shit you tried to palm off on me, to you or, to a charity.

It really is as simple as that.

I notice you havent provided proof of a date when you sent that new preview i found as yet, here is your chance to admit you screwed up by not sending me it.

Regards,

Lee

ok so if I provide you with proof of dates (do you want them down to the day / hour / or minute?) - will you pay up?

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

You also seem to be missing the fact that i care more about my morning dump than i do about the opinions of GFY'ers.

Regards,

Lee

You asked for the opinion of GFY - and said you would pay based on their opinions

Didn't you?

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Ill also be out $550.

As i have stated above, we do our charitable donations at the end of the year.

Im not paying a red cent for the shit you tried to palm off on me, to you or, to a charity.

It really is as simple as that.

I notice you havent provided proof of a date when you sent that new preview i found as yet, here is your chance to admit you screwed up by not sending me it.

Regards,

Lee

Lets say I was out on the date of the preview sent by a few days - would that help strengthen your case? would that make your conduct any more acceptable?

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Just pay the damn money already. You've been fucking OWNED!! So pay up or go away because there's no way you can weasel out and save face here.

lol lee has an unlimited supply of stupidity, look at him trying to invent a new excuse just for this thread

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

lol lee has an unlimited supply of stupidity, look at him trying to invent a new excuse just for this thread

Andrew, im not 'inventing' a new excuse at all.

The quality of the work you showed us, was shit, as agreed with by a lot of GFY'ers.

Why you had to start yet another thread on the subject i dont know.

Just to clarify for you..

1) The quality of the work you provided was shit.
2) We dont pay for shit.
3) You'll not see a red cent of that $550.
4) No charity will see a red cent of that $500.
5) Feel free to start however many more threads you want on this topic.

Bottom line here? You arent getting paid for the work.

Regards,

Lee

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by European Lee

As i have stated numerous times before, not a chance in hell

I really dont care if its for 'charity' or not, we do our tax write-offs at the end of the year, alway have, always will.

You're a tool, always have been, always will be...

If you contract a designer, you pay them. No matter what.

Regards,

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Andrew, im not 'inventing' a new excuse at all.

The quality of the work you showed us, was shit, as agreed with by a lot of GFY'ers.

Why you had to start yet another thread on the subject i dont know.

Just to clarify for you..

1) The quality of the work you provided was shit.
2) We dont pay for shit.
3) You'll not see a red cent of that $550.
4) No charity will see a red cent of that $500.
5) Feel free to start however many more threads you want on this topic.

Bottom line here? You arent getting paid for the work.

Regards,

Lee

Ok Lee answer this simple question - it's a true or false, and try not to lie:


Did you describe the design as 'perfect' and 'done' in early 2004?

True or False?

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by badmunchkin

You're a tool, always have been, always will be...

If you contract a designer, you pay them. No matter what.

Regards,

Cool, so if you go to a deisgner, tell them that you willpay $1000 for a paysite design, they use MS Paint to do the 'design' wrk, you'll pay them? No matter what?

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Cool, so if you go to a deisgner, tell them that you willpay $1000 for a paysite design, they use MS Paint to do the 'design' wrk, you'll pay them? No matter what?

Regards,

Lee

When you say the design is 'perfect' and 'done' and say you will pay - I fail to see why you would not follow through with payment if you've just been provided with the 'perfect' design?

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Ok Lee answer this simple question - it's a true or false, and try not to lie:


Did you describe the design as 'perfect' and 'done' in early 2004?

True or False?

No.

I beleive you posted that i said '3 is the one we like', 'I think once thats done we're good to go on the splash page', 'other than that i think we are done', 'one thing that does need to be changed is the mustard color in the main header now other that its perfect' (the mustard color, incidently, is still there ), 'then its just making a button and banner for recips and we;re done'.

Nowehere in those emails that you posted to i say anything about the site being 'perfect and done'.

I do on seperate lines / emails but never in any one email.

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

No.

I beleive you posted that i said '3 is the one we like', 'I think once thats done we're good to go on the splash page', 'other than that i think we are done', 'one thing that does need to be changed is the mustard color in the main header now other that its perfect' (the mustard color, incidently, is still there ), 'then its just making a button and banner for recips and we;re done'.

Nowehere in those emails that you posted to i say anything about the site being 'perfect and done'.

I do on seperate lines / emails but never in any one email.

Regards,

Lee

check your icq history, perhaps that will help refresh your memory


it's right below all my messages requesting payment for the designs, the ones you ignored because of a hurricane

[badmunchkin]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Cool, so if you go to a deisgner, tell them that you willpay $1000 for a paysite design, they use MS Paint to do the 'design' wrk, you'll pay them? No matter what?

Regards,

Lee

Most designers ask for half up front. I'm surprised BDS operates any differently. And yes, you pay them, try to get the revisions you want, if they can't cut it, then start a nasty thread on GFY about the company. But yea, if you make the decision to go with a design company, that's a contract. Yes, you pay it no matter what. If they're not up to par, that's your fault. You went with the wrong company. Doesn't alleviate you of your need to pay for the service provided.

[aflex]

$500 or respect.. hmm..

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by aflex

$500 or respect.. hmm..

$550, please get your facts straight

Again, as i have posted numerous times before, i really dont value the opinion of GFY'ers.

Whether they 'respect' me or not, im not here to make 'buddies' im here to do business and, business is good

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

$550, please get your facts straight

Again, as i have posted numerous times before, i really dont value the opinion of GFY'ers.

Whether they 'respect' me or not, im not here to make 'buddies' im here to do business and, business is good

Regards,

Lee

hold on lee, weren't you the one who wanted a gfy poll to settle the isssue?

what kind of business are you here to do? stealing isn't a business, it's a crime

[European Lee]

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

stealing isn't a business, it's a crime

Good stuff now we are getting somewhere.

http://www.fbi.gov - Go report me.

You can also call the local police Dept. in Daytona Beach, you have my address so you know where to tell them to find me

Issue over.

Regards,

Lee

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Good stuff now we are getting somewhere.

http://www.fbi.gov - Go report me.

You can also call the local police Dept. in Daytona Beach, you have my address so you know where to tell them to find me

Issue over.

Regards,

Lee

You said you wanted to settle this via the opinions of those on gfy, did you not?

[BlueDesignStudios]

why don't you vote for yourself lee?

you could make it into double figures if you asked some more ppl to vote for you

[aflex]

$550 is nothing if your business is doing so well. 131 votes to your 10. cut your losses, admit the mistake and move on. BDS isn't exactly asking for cash to be sent to them, they want it to goto charity, which would be a tax writeoff for you or your company. i dont think you are a very good businessman, lee.

[BiggleJones]

Lee....YOU FUCKIN SUCK and NO ONE LIKES YOU.

Now please go kill yourself.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by European Lee

Good stuff now we are getting somewhere.

http://www.fbi.gov - Go report me.

You can also call the local police Dept. in Daytona Beach, you have my address so you know where to tell them to find me

Issue over.

Regards,

Lee

thats the cop out?

come the fuck on.

[BlueDesignStudios]

Originally Posted by aflex

$550 is nothing if your business is doing so well. 131 votes to your 10. cut your losses, admit the mistake and move on. BDS isn't exactly asking for cash to be sent to them, they want it to goto charity, which would be a tax writeoff for you or your company. i dont think you are a very good businessman, lee.

Here here, well spoken