Mark perrins is a thief . DIGIBUCKS and PRETTYHOTBABES

[machinegunkelly]

Hey guys ,
I wouldn't normally take shit like this to the boards , but I've had it with this idiot .

This is how the story starts ..
Last year Mark hits me up for design and he wants 10 sites .. so I give him a bulk rate of $7K ,
I told him I would have 1 site complete every three days , providing upfront payment and that all content and details we submitted by the start date .

Well a few weeks later I have 7 sites done , almost completely done except for the fact that the content was never sorted out , or even got it ready in the first place .. so a few weeks go on of me bugging mark to get the content and he's routing emails through other people and the shit never got to where it was supposed to be .. Now about a week after that , someone had a " heart attack"
and EVERYTHING was put on hold for months .... and months ... we had 7 sites ready to go but digibucks " lee " couldnt get the content together for the rest of the tours .. so it ended up that they got 7 sites ready to go less a bit of content on the join pages .

Mark askes me to shelf the designs and I did .

So last Xmas Mark hits me up wanting to go ahead on more designs for the " money he's owed " and I explain that you can't make a bulk order and just pop up every few months wanting more shit .. it just doesnt work that way cause its a pretty good way to get a bulk price and then fuck the designer out of more time etc etc ..
bulk rates are made to have a bulk amount of work in a certain time for a certain price .. .

Either way after some discussion me and mark come to the agreement that he can come sometime in the next year and I will give him a deal at reqular prices to complete the bulk order .

So now , last week mark hits me up and says " do these two toons
Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:00 AM
From : TAD
really need to talk to you man i got a propersition for you

Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:00 AM
From : TAD
i need two toons making


Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:01 AM
From : TAD
you make them for me we call it quits on what you owe me but i need them fast

Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:01 AM
From : TAD
you make them for me we call it quits on what you owe me but i need them fast

Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:05 AM
From : TAD
after those two toons that bring us up to date i need some other toons making as well

Date : 23/05/2005 Time : 10:05 AM
From : TAD
which i will pay you for



So anyway , I did his two toons .. and then I start on the third which he said he would pay $250 for ...... so I deliver it ..

http://www.insaneadultcreations.com/...w/hypnonew.jpg
You can see its in use there from another designer who is doing the DVD covers ..

So I ask mark for my payment this morning and I get this :
TAD (12:55 PM) :
take it to gfy man it will be your entire business that suffers. i will destroy you !! you rip me off $7k and call me a scammer!! fuck you


Mark .. you blew it bud.

[cherrylula]

geez, sorry you have to deal with that. People need to realize small operations can't deal with shit like that. GOOD LUCK!

[VirtuMike]

I concur - he appears to be a douchebag. I fucking showed him how I shoot hypnogirls.com and look what he's fucking doing.

If he actually rolls out this site then he has officially crossed the line and made an enemy out of a friend.

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by VirtuMike

I concur - he appears to be a douchebag. I fucking showed him how I shoot hypnogirls.com and look what he's fucking doing.

If he actually rolls out this site then he has officially crossed the line and made an enemy out of a friend.

thats a DVD cover .. Looks like he copied your idea bro :P

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

geez, sorry you have to deal with that. People need to realize small operations can't deal with shit like that. GOOD LUCK!

Thats right .. I am a small operation .
This month alone I have taken $1500 in loses that I simply can't afford.

I aint no big player , I drive a fuckin neon ..

I need my money , and ever $250 fuckin counts .

[machinegunkelly]

Date : 02/06/2005 Time : 1:19 PM
From : TAD
good luck with that thread man ;) i wont forget it



And now he's trying to intimidate me ...

[MickeyG]

he sounds like a real douche bag.

[hova]

good luck with this, some people will never understand how to do business the right way

[machinegunkelly]

heh , now he's threatening me .

Seems he's worried ..
For those of you wondering .. TAD stands for Turnkey Adult designs .
I hear he fucked a few people under that name .. thats why he changed it

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly

Thats right .. I am a small operation .
This month alone I have taken $1500 in loses that I simply can't afford.

I aint no big player , I drive a fuckin neon ..

I need my money , and ever $250 fuckin counts .

You are way too nice. Seriously, Fletch hasn't ever had issues of non-payment and I think maybe its because people realize he will make use of the boards. Or maybe its just luck, no clue.

1500 bucks is no chump change. Do you sell off designs you don't get paid for? Maybe try a huge blow out sale with half completed work something? If anything it would showcase the deadbeats who didn't come through.

[Roald]

Oh man I fuckign hate this shit. I have 2 clients fucking me over for over half a year now in total about 1750 bucks. I hate it.

[machinegunkelly]

Date : 02/06/2005 Time : 1:25 PM
From : TAD
I look forward to meeting you one day and we can sort this out face to face

[TurboAngel]

That sucks.

[Digibucks]

Ok I have kept this off the boards for long enough. I hate drama and I hate washing my linen in public but I think everyone should know what a scammer and complete retard machinegunkelly is.

In October time last year I contracted twisted by designs to do some work for me. This was the deal.

$7000 Paid in advance

10 x paysites
100 x galleries (10 for each site)
100 x banners (10 for each site)
20 FPA (2 for each site)
20 HPA (2 for each site)

He started work on this job and we started having some problems with the guys that were providing the content for this job. Off the top of my head I think he got as far as 3 paysites being almost completed and a handful of galleries. I said to Kelly that he should stop work on the project till I get the content sorted out.

2 months later I got the content sorted out and asked him to continue. He basically refused with comments like ?I cant afford to? ?its like I am doing it for free now cause I already spent the money? etc etc

We had 2 or 3 months of this before I finally gave up to the fact that the scammer had ripped me off. I gave the job to my now in house designers (insaneadultcreations) who buy the way are the best designers I have ever used.

Twisted by designs do however make some good toons. A couple of weeks ago I needed 3 toons making so I thought to myself as I am not going to get the money back anyway id say to him ?make them and we will call it quits? Which I did. He made the toons for me but now started hasseling me for money, go figure.

He was asking me to pay him for the last toon he made. I never agreed to that. The deal was do the toons we are quits!! Which to be honest I think is a fucking nice thing for me to do anyway. There are people out there that wouldn?t be so kind as I am sure you all know.

I just really want to understand why this guy is such an ass anyone else help me out here?? He has had enough of my fucking money

[s9ann0]

so where are the designs you were paid $7k for ?

[wjxxx]

sig spot

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by Digibucks

Ok I have kept this off the boards for long enough. I hate drama and I hate washing my linen in public but I think everyone should know what a scammer and complete retard machinegunkelly is.

In October time last year I contracted twisted by designs to do some work for me. This was the deal.

$7000 Paid in advance

10 x paysites
100 x galleries (10 for each site)
100 x banners (10 for each site)
20 FPA (2 for each site)
20 HPA (2 for each site)

He started work on this job and we started having some problems with the guys that were providing the content for this job. Off the top of my head I think he got as far as 3 paysites being almost completed and a handful of galleries. I said to Kelly that he should stop work on the project till I get the content sorted out.

2 months later I got the content sorted out and asked him to continue. He basically refused with comments like ?I cant afford to? ?its like I am doing it for free now cause I already spent the money? etc etc

We had 2 or 3 months of this before I finally gave up to the fact that the scammer had ripped me off. I gave the job to my now in house designers (insaneadultcreations) who buy the way are the best designers I have ever used.

Twisted by designs do however make some good toons. A couple of weeks ago I needed 3 toons making so I thought to myself as I am not going to get the money back anyway id say to him ?make them and we will call it quits? Which I did. He made the toons for me but now started hasseling me for money, go figure.

He was asking me to pay him for the last toon he made. I never agreed to that. The deal was do the toons we are quits!! Which to be honest I think is a fucking nice thing for me to do anyway. There are people out there that wouldn?t be so kind as I am sure you all know.

I just really want to understand why this guy is such an ass anyone else help me out here?? He has had enough of my fucking money

Read above mark ..
YOu agreed to pay me

Also .
You guys put the sites on hold and POPPED UP 2 days before Xmas to get the rest of your work .

I explained that it was XMAS and I couldn't spend the time on your stuff now cause You bought in Oct and pop up right before Xmas expecting me just to jump on your stuff .

You can try to spin this anyway you want
You are a liar .

[Roald]

so was it 3 sites done or 7?

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by QuaShe

so was it 3 sites done or 7?

http://www.twistedbydesigns.com/StrictlyNetwork/
And I have more on my harddrive that never got the content .
Sites are framed out for the Anal niche and the other .. but they NEVER GOT THE CONTENT ready

[s9ann0]

where r the $7k worth of designs ?

[Dalai lama]

Show the paysites you did for him Kelly.

[s9ann0]

r you gonna finish all the work you were paid $7k for ?

[Best-In-BC]

Sorry im going with mark on this one

[tradermcduck]

Hope this is not another drama thread...

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly

Read above mark ..
YOu agreed to pay me

Also .
You guys put the sites on hold and POPPED UP 2 days before Xmas to get the rest of your work .

I explained that it was XMAS and I couldn't spend the time on your stuff now cause You bought in Oct and pop up right before Xmas expecting me just to jump on your stuff .

You can try to spin this anyway you want
You are a liar .

LOL, you idiot, this is a fucking business, I see if you wanted the day off but anymore than that is just bad business, you should have got on it fast as possible!!!!

If you got paid then you should have went to work right away

[who]

Don't badmouth Digibucks. They sent me a tshirt.

[Aheib]

Without getting into the discussion Mark and machinegunkelly are having now, I would like to say that Mark is a real stand up guy. I've done a lot of business with him and with digibucks in the past and i will continue to do so. He's building a big empire, and even though from time to time things tend to get chaotic because we're all trying to do a dozen things at the same time, he always comes through with payments and what not else.

[Digibucks]

Originally Posted by spanno

so where are the designs you were paid $7k for ?

I dont have any designs at all!!

[flashfreak]

shake it like a polaroid pictureeee...

[xxxice]

Mark is a good guy I do not think it is like this

[LionDollars]

sounds like scumbags are at work ripping folks off.!!!


L$

[JFK]

seems like there are 2 sides to this story ...........

[who]

Seems like pointing out the obvious is cool.

[purelucy]

Hey Machine Gun Kelly

While i understand you are pissed off, you have no right to come on here and slag off someone who has built up a repuitable name and business in this industry through sheer dedication and hardwork.

He has helped alot of people along the way and now instead of speaking to him man to man about this - you just come on here and try to tarnish his reputation. Well its not going to work. Mark has alot of freinds in this business and he will help anyone who approaches him. He is not as you say a "liar" your evidence by posting an icq conversation does not validate that claim anyway.Nowhere in that conversation does it say how much he would agree to pay you and further more man you owed him not the otherway round.

He was being generous saying that by doing this work he would wipe the slate clean when clearly you owe him alot more than that. Man this is business and this isnt the right way to do it, by airing crap on here (which by the way isnt even true - you have made yourself look stupid not Mark)

And Virtumike, do you have copywrite on every hypno site in the world? Tell me how many sites you know copy the same niches, dogging, anal, teen etc etc... Just because you have found a niche which is not that popular it does not mean that other people cant follow suit - you are not the only one in the world with a gift for doing this and you cannot slate Mark for following suit. If you are i suggest you contact every major Sponsor on the net and ask why they all have the same kind of content.

Guys Mark is a great webmaster and a good bloke and any issues you have should be dealt privately and not spat out on here like children.

[stembolt]

machinegunkelly one question for you.
did you or did you not complete the work for him for 7k???
I know the answer which is NO!!

Everyone else there are always two sides to every story! Fucking hell is this a lynch mob or what!!!

VirtuMike what the fuck!!! So no-one else can do a hypno site?????
Don?t be so naive man, it's a free world and a bit of competition is good

marks a cool guy!
and if you dont know that, then you haven't got to know him yet!!

[s9ann0]

machinegunkelly you were paid $7k to do work which by your own admission you didn't finish so why didn't you just take mark's offer and do a few toons for free to make it up (which seems like a pretty generous offer really) why did you have to start all this shit?

[who]

DIGIBUCKS ARE ABSOLUTELY GREAT PEOPLE

Miscommunication or whatever caused this little bicker is no reason to make yourself look like a dickhead by spewing your trash all over the board.

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

LOL, you idiot, this is a fucking business, I see if you wanted the day off but anymore than that is just bad business, you should have got on it fast as possible!!!!

If you got paid then you should have went to work right away

READ buddy .. I know mark messaged you asking for you to help him out but READ READ READ ..

This is 2 months after marks job was STARTED AND PUT ON HOLD .

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:32 PM
From : TAD
ok well all i need this side of new year is whats been completed and to work out with you whats
left to do. i dont even know what other stuff you will be doing yet probably be around febuary
before i ask for anything new. but right now i need the stuff thats complete urgently then we can
talk after christmas about it

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:31 PM
To : 154-533-328
as for NEW work before newyears .. theres pretty much no chance of that .

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:30 PM
To : 154-533-328
Well .. I have 8 or 9 done .. ready for content .
If your guys can actually get it together I
will add it in .

Im not saying that ..
You have to understand that I basically gave you
$14000 worth of sites for $7000 .. and its not gone as planned , and now its gonna make shit alot
more difficult on me

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:29 PM
From : TAD
i understand what you are saying man but things do go wrong somtimes in life. sorry i didnt get
you the content ontime but that does not mean i am not entitled to have what i paid for

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:28 PM
From : TAD
man i am not taking advantage i just want the work i paid for? i really dont get it i paid you for
stuff. ok tell you what stick to the original deal ill take 10 sites with 10 galleries, 10 banners
1fpa and 1hpa with each site! i wont change the deal. but i might give you some different sites
to do

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:27 PM
To : 154-533-328
you know what I mean ..
I booked this for Aug sept /
So all that month I worked on this , and
then had to take on more shit to live .

Now .. Ill have to work on your shit AND book my work
to eat .

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:26 PM
To : 154-533-328
Well .. thats like me saying you should've claimed your work when it was supposed to be up .

I
will work with you on this .
Dont take advantage and be fair and we will have no problems .
Just remeber that I have put this on hold , and will now have to suffer wage loss months later
cause they couldnt get the content together

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:26 PM
From : TAD
well i am not doing that man as i am not getting any cash back from you so how am i ripping you
off. you are treating me like i am trying to rip you off!! its not on man!

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:25 PM
From : TAD
man its not free work. you have been paid!! its not my fault you spent it!!

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:25 PM
To : 154-533-328
Bullshit , not once was any content on time .
NEVER
the first site put us off a week

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:24 PM
From : TAD
and you say about time scales one every 3 days it was supposed to be even the sites you had content
for you were behind shedual. Man i have done all i can i paid you upfront without any hassel or
bother. I had some problems getting content which was not my fault. I am not your enemy on this
you should be working with me to sort it not against me i gave you $7000 worth of work and when i
was with turnkey and coolpiranha you had about another 10k worth of work from me so whats your
problem

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:24 PM
To : 154-533-328
cause the thing is its spread out now ..
if you guy had done as your were supposed to , the sites
wouldve been done quick smooth and almost effortlessly ..

Now I gotta do " free " work cause
the moneys long been spend AND try to make a living at the same time ?

not only that .. this
would be the third time this month someone gets a good rate on a bulk order and cancels half way
through basically getting 2 sites for the price of one each time .

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:23 PM
From : TAD
its just not finished thats all

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:22 PM
From : TAD
you would have been paid bulk rate and still be doing bulk work

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:22 PM
From : TAD
how have you been fucked man if i let you keep the money and yake other design work?

Date : 21/12/2004 Time : 11:21 PM
To : 154-533-328
I can . but you have to understand this isnt going to be high priority ,
Basically I was doing as
I should , you guys couldnt get the content together fast enough .. or at all for alot of sites.
read my terms . if someone cancels an order , or changes their mind half way through things are
rerated .

I gave you a
2 page tour ( regular $699 )
10 galleries ( regular $300 )
10
banners (regular $150 )
1 HPA and (regular $95 )
1 FPA per site ( regular $115)

For
regular total of $1359 for your BULK rate of $700 ..
see what Im saying .. So basically I got
fucked out of $5K on this in reality , cause the deal was for a one time shot , and now your here
at Xmas ( as I knew you would be )

[Roald]

Originally Posted by JFK

seems like there are 2 sides to this story ...........

jups seems like it yes

[The Truth Hurts]

Nothing worse than waiting for a client to deliver content.

you end up limiting the other work you're taking in because you never know when the client is going to finally show up with the goods and want his work done right then.

[cherrylula]

thats a fuckload of work and a good chunk of change too, anyhow good luck to everyone resolving the issue. But seeing both sides immediately call thief makes baby jesus cry.

[3xTom]

where are the 7K worth in designs?

[Theo]

seems to be both sides didnt act normally here.....

[s9ann0]

>> I fucking showed him how I shoot hypnogirls.com and look what he's fucking doing.

Mike I checked at: http://www.uspto.gov/

I didn't see your patent on hypnosis sites ?

[mrthumbs]

"and now your here at Xmas" ( as I knew you would be )


Sounds like a great song title to me!!

[machinegunkelly]

Originally Posted by .?.

DIGIBUCKS ARE ABSOLUTELY GREAT PEOPLE

Miscommunication or whatever caused this little bicker is no reason to make yourself look like a dickhead by spewing your trash all over the board.

Think I look like a dick ?
I really don't give a fuck any more .


BTW guys .. look above ,

He said , do these 2 toons and I'll drop everything , ( SO I FUCKING DID )


Then He ORDERED THIS ONE OFFERING CASH < CAUSE I WAS CLEAR ON MY DEAL AS HE STATED ABOVE >

READ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE

[purelucy]

Originally Posted by machinegunkelly

Think I look like a dick ?
I really don't give a fuck any more .


BTW guys .. look above ,

He said , do these 2 toons and I'll drop everything , ( SO I FUCKING DID )


Then He ORDERED THIS ONE OFFERING CASH < CAUSE I WAS CLEAR ON MY DEAL AS HE STATED ABOVE >

READ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE

You need to drop this shit man and btw thanks for all the promotion!

[s9ann0]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

Nothing worse than waiting for a client to deliver content.

I think there was a fuckup with the content but it was beyond anyones control and I think thats probly why Mark decided to offer the guy to do a few toons and call things quits even though he paid him $7k and got no real usuable designs..

and this guy wants to kick off over $250 and be a bitch instead of settling the matter

[Digibucks]

why the fuck would i offer you cash man when you got enough of my cash?

[VirtuMike]

Blatant copying an idea is one thing.

Sitting through a scene and watching all the intricacies of the entire process and then discussing it later sneaking as much information as possible with bad intent is another thing entirely. He knows he's wrong, and is still doing it.